"Tremendous Abuse Of Tax Payers' Money" Isabel Oakeshott Blasts Muslim Student's High Court Loss

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14 күн бұрын

A Muslim student at a London school has lost a High Court challenge against its ban on prayer rituals.
Michaela School in Wembley was taken to court by the girl over the policy, which she argued was discriminatory.
The non-faith state secondary school previously told the High Court that allowing prayer rituals risked "undermining inclusion" among pupils.
The free school's founder and headteacher Katharine Birbalsingh said the ruling was a "victory for all schools."
In an 83-page written judgement dismissing the student's case, Mr Justice Linden said: "The claimant at the very least impliedly accepted, when she enrolled at the school, that she would be subject to restrictions on her ability to manifest her religion."
TalkTV's Vanessa Feltz is joined by Isabel Oakeshott, who says it was a “tremendous abuse of tax payers' money.”
Centre for Education and Youth’s Baz Ramaiah also joins Vanessa to discuss the controversy.
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@lionheart3735
@lionheart3735 13 күн бұрын
Her parents should pay the bill !!!
@newcastleboilermaintenance4956
@newcastleboilermaintenance4956 12 күн бұрын
I bet Her parents are on benefit. These people are potential danger for society.
@tobyrose6906
@tobyrose6906 7 күн бұрын
They are excluded them selves. Jumping on the Religious Band wagon.......
@simmonslesley
@simmonslesley 6 күн бұрын
Agree. She should also be invited to leave the school & find something more suitable for her needs.
@simmonslesley
@simmonslesley 6 күн бұрын
If as Baz says many other schools manage to get it right. Why doesn't this student & any others, go to those schools. Bcoz they'd rather go to the BEST school & then change them. So tired of this crap
@scarlettkhan9667
@scarlettkhan9667 Сағат бұрын
Nah let the tax payer 😂
@EIREriddick13
@EIREriddick13 13 күн бұрын
That Head Teacher has all my respect.
@jamaali2358
@jamaali2358 12 күн бұрын
and all it took was to deny children to pray 🤦‍♂️
@phenomenal8196
@phenomenal8196 12 күн бұрын
@@jamaali2358go pray back home
@jamaali2358
@jamaali2358 12 күн бұрын
@phenomenal8196 home and wherever I'll be, thanks for the reminder
@phenomenal8196
@phenomenal8196 12 күн бұрын
@@jamaali2358 average Muslim thinking every nation should cater to them 🤡
@janet5846
@janet5846 12 күн бұрын
​@jamaali2358 No one has denied anyone their wish to pray, just not at school.... not difficult to understand.
@middleground5084
@middleground5084 13 күн бұрын
As she has lost this case, she or her parents should pay the legal costs in full 😮 just like prince Harry 🤔
@user-tg5vs1xz5x
@user-tg5vs1xz5x 13 күн бұрын
No, both parents are on benefits meaning they pay no rent on a 3bed house, no council tax and they get child benefits .. The court cost from we taxpayers.
@Tre11297
@Tre11297 13 күн бұрын
@@user-tg5vs1xz5x would love to see where you got this info from?
@MrCarol666
@MrCarol666 11 күн бұрын
If so strict muslim parents or islamic prophets.....where incharge of the girl she wouldnt even have an education .yet alone in a normal school life .
@user-tg5vs1xz5x
@user-tg5vs1xz5x 11 күн бұрын
@@MrCarol666 That's why they come here as life is too hard for them, Middle eastern countries have very skewed ideas
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
@@MrCarol666 who said so strick Muslim parents?? Clearly not or she’d be at one the many many Muslim schools 🏫
@geoffwheadon4277
@geoffwheadon4277 13 күн бұрын
Stop the appeasement now
@mjones4083
@mjones4083 13 күн бұрын
Our very existence depends on it , I truly believe it has got to that serious (and terrifying ) stage. I worry for the youngsters in my family : what "troubles" they will face because of our cowardly appeasement .
@geoffwheadon4277
@geoffwheadon4277 12 күн бұрын
@@mjones4083 hello mate, may it come down to where you live, I consider myself lucky to live in an old pit village and we have not been diluted by this betrayal, some as I feel it is a duty to our community to keep our culture, local history our very heritage, and many are now realising it’s time to do our bit, we remember what our fathers,grandfathers did when the call went out, they did their duty, this is our call, and as men we shall do our duty. Even as a man of 65 I shall not man the barricades, but I will mount theirs. What comes will split families and friends which is a regrettable fact but I never in all my life thought I would live to witness a civil war and I pray I don’t, but none can hide from what we see. Morals and principles are the making of a man and a country. Best regards from County Durham.
@Xp1972.
@Xp1972. 12 күн бұрын
It's definitely about time too!
@user-vs4rp1qc6q
@user-vs4rp1qc6q 12 күн бұрын
Why is it always the one faith out of the many that exist that's moaning? Why is it never any of the others?
@mjones4083
@mjones4083 12 күн бұрын
@@geoffwheadon4277 Yes it does come down to where I live . As a born and bred British citizen who chose to live in central London ( and actually come from old old pit town myself ) I should not be expected to walk among people in London who don't think I should exist because I am white and Christian . & by the way , my old pit town is already being (very ) diluted by this betrayal .It is spreading - quicker than ever and recognises no boundaries . I pity what the young children in my family (and yours ) are going to have to endure - civil war will be a real threat for them .
@stephenholmes1036
@stephenholmes1036 13 күн бұрын
If you don't want to send your children there then don't! Remember Batley a teacher still in hiding after 3 years due to religious zealots. Well done Katherine
@willowtree9291
@willowtree9291 13 күн бұрын
She makes it clear before they apply that the school is secular.
@labouraredangerous
@labouraredangerous 13 күн бұрын
It won't be long until they start threatening her too
@marymcsoley4071
@marymcsoley4071 13 күн бұрын
Exactly
@sh.4409
@sh.4409 12 күн бұрын
I bet nothing has happened to any of them either!
@margaretgreenwood4243
@margaretgreenwood4243 12 күн бұрын
Absolutely. Our mayor in Leeds, Tracey Brabin, ignored the plight of this teacher, and is up for reelection. Im going to write ‘Remember Batley’ on my ballot paper
@paulmoore120
@paulmoore120 13 күн бұрын
Why the hell do we have to pay for this rubbish.If this person had to pay for this out of their own pocket then it wouldn’t have happened.
@Xp1972.
@Xp1972. 12 күн бұрын
Definitely not!
@b.nichols3255
@b.nichols3255 9 күн бұрын
But if it never happened then a group of lawyers would need to find a real job.
@colp9492
@colp9492 13 күн бұрын
She should be made to pay back any money as she lost the case. The loser normally pays court fees
@MrSnookerballs
@MrSnookerballs 13 күн бұрын
she would have been give legal aid like they all get. immigrants get everything
@darussianping61
@darussianping61 13 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@peterwright997
@peterwright997 13 күн бұрын
Not religion of permanent offence I will bet!
@coldbreeze6344
@coldbreeze6344 13 күн бұрын
Tax payers will pay it only Brits pay court fees
@bethmcnaughton2503
@bethmcnaughton2503 12 күн бұрын
Our system needs an overhaul, it’s a total shambles 😡
@susanmills4843
@susanmills4843 13 күн бұрын
How did the family get legal aid. Most people would not qualify due to earnings.
@ady6837
@ady6837 13 күн бұрын
Taxpayer money+religion of peace 😢
@lionheart3735
@lionheart3735 13 күн бұрын
Cause they probs on benefits
@4thinternational283
@4thinternational283 13 күн бұрын
You can't get legal aid for family cases nowadays, how they managed to get funding for this I don't know.
@FAM-5214
@FAM-5214 12 күн бұрын
Perhaps their legal representatives will share their justification on the application for legal aid
@sbwlearning1372
@sbwlearning1372 12 күн бұрын
There will be a team of is lamb ic lawyers more than willing to fight this for nothing other than to insert the faith
@theeightytwentyrule
@theeightytwentyrule 12 күн бұрын
150k of OUR money, for someone's private problem. Absolute joke.
@garyowen4112
@garyowen4112 12 күн бұрын
should be asking how the hell its costs that much for a few days in court
@Kumud24944
@Kumud24944 12 күн бұрын
Ask them to pay the fees .
@hyderally8045
@hyderally8045 11 күн бұрын
Your money? 😂
@theeightytwentyrule
@theeightytwentyrule 11 күн бұрын
@@hyderally8045 No I'm Olly.
@EIREriddick13
@EIREriddick13 11 күн бұрын
@@garyowen4112 More like one day in court...
@wendycurrie9629
@wendycurrie9629 12 күн бұрын
Are we going to spend taxpayers money every time a Muslim wants to attack our way of life? This case is an utter disgrace. Birbalsingh is a great head teacher. If you don’t like the rules, then go and live elsewhere.
@Lindy-ht8cr
@Lindy-ht8cr 13 күн бұрын
Total waste of MY money. Katherine is more sensible than any of our Cabinet!
@user-qz7uu2lt4w
@user-qz7uu2lt4w 12 күн бұрын
Your money
@garysteel4173
@garysteel4173 12 күн бұрын
I agree totally a waste of tax payers money yes my money to
@soothsayer1964
@soothsayer1964 12 күн бұрын
All the Muslim kids at school in the 80s and 90s never needed this, nor did they ever complain that it was necessary. None of the Muslim guys I worked with in the 90s ever required this, nor did they ever complain that it was necessary.
@pommiebears
@pommiebears 12 күн бұрын
Right? I had plenty of friends in my group in school that were Muslim, Hindu, etc, and they never complained. They were humble and respectful. Seems like the younger generations are the problem.
@You.are.boring.me.now2024
@You.are.boring.me.now2024 12 күн бұрын
They were a very small minority back then and inline with the various stages of Jihad were not in a position to impose themselves on others to force concessions, things are changing.
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman 12 күн бұрын
​@@You.are.boring.me.now2024the legal aid was in fact jizrah for having the audacity to assert indigenous customs over those of the religion of peace.
@nav021298
@nav021298 12 күн бұрын
We don't need a dedicated room to pray, any clean place will do, it takes 5 minutes. Why make Muslims a problem in our society?
@You.are.boring.me.now2024
@You.are.boring.me.now2024 12 күн бұрын
@@AndyJarman No doubt that his how the advocacy group behind this claim saw it.
@paullemonidis
@paullemonidis 13 күн бұрын
A certain demographic playing the victim?! There's a surprise!
@An-Alien-On-Earth
@An-Alien-On-Earth 13 күн бұрын
That's all they ever do
@haileuropa3708
@haileuropa3708 13 күн бұрын
They just see £ signs and usually get them
@randomhuman2595
@randomhuman2595 12 күн бұрын
🇮🇱
@KILLERGAMER-pf9fm
@KILLERGAMER-pf9fm 12 күн бұрын
Not everyone wants to become secular
@bigboyshit1
@bigboyshit1 12 күн бұрын
@@KILLERGAMER-pf9fm- in which case they shouldn’t be in this country
@Kat-pu7ls
@Kat-pu7ls 13 күн бұрын
That’s what’s disturbing is that this parent used our taxpayers money for this foolishness
@free-thinker1046
@free-thinker1046 12 күн бұрын
Most of tax is paid by business owned by foreigner. Your peanut 9 to 5 office salary doesn’t pay enough tax to have a say in this country.
@ernestschroeder9762
@ernestschroeder9762 12 күн бұрын
​@@free-thinker1046so you're saying only foreigners should have a say in Britain?
@irishstew9951
@irishstew9951 12 күн бұрын
​@@free-thinker1046yea these people definitely pay more funny how the UK was doing better before inviting half the world in... Weird that right?
@madeleinel6089
@madeleinel6089 12 күн бұрын
@@free-thinker1046doesn’t matter how much money we pay in tax! I object to my tax being used to pay for the legal aid for this ridiculous court case. She knew when she first started at the school,there was no muslim prayer rooms, so she should have taken herself off to a muslim school
@frankie6954
@frankie6954 12 күн бұрын
​@@free-thinker1046You must be living in noddy land if you really think the rich pay.
@NeilHughes-ti6pz
@NeilHughes-ti6pz 13 күн бұрын
Arrogant waste of taxpayer money 💰.
@paulherlihy9290
@paulherlihy9290 12 күн бұрын
I am a Christian and i believe that the school has the right not to allow prayer time if they so wish. People have the right to send their children elsewhere.
@ProfYaffle
@ProfYaffle 7 күн бұрын
Well, as Christians we respect authority. Moreover our God is available all the time, he hears our thoughts, he understands all languages and even groans. If she became a Christian she wouldn't need a prayer room
@rontaylor995
@rontaylor995 13 күн бұрын
Why are they in this country .
@karenrobinson129
@karenrobinson129 13 күн бұрын
Benefits
@Daza-La
@Daza-La 13 күн бұрын
Your forefathers invited them for cheap labour. Actions have consequences.
@toucan221
@toucan221 12 күн бұрын
@@Daza-La well we better uninvite them- the sooner the better.
@kerrycarter330
@kerrycarter330 9 күн бұрын
@@Daza-Lathe ones our forefathers invited in pretty much assimilated and became British. The hoards of the last 30 years or more not so much.
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
@@kerrycarter330 Nooo our lefty looney in their nice big houses and salary Coverment MP did not US!!!!!!
@mjones4083
@mjones4083 13 күн бұрын
Give them an inch and they demand a yard , give them a yard and they demand a mile . & they never "give " anything back . That is how it plays out in real life.
@786fari1
@786fari1 12 күн бұрын
That only applies to women clearly u ain’t married
@mjones4083
@mjones4083 12 күн бұрын
@@786fari1 Silly comment .Try and grow up or stick to tic tok .
@786fari1
@786fari1 12 күн бұрын
Says your mom last night 😂
@noreenhussain5744
@noreenhussain5744 12 күн бұрын
Them who is them ?
@mjones4083
@mjones4083 12 күн бұрын
@@noreenhussain5744 "Them " who don't suit our tolerant , enlightened and civilised society , Never have and never will .
@hillbillymal9351
@hillbillymal9351 12 күн бұрын
Finally someone standing up and not caving into the muslim/Islamic takeover
@joycegibbs5267
@joycegibbs5267 9 күн бұрын
I’m astonished she won. But Labour are bringing in new “equality” laws. They could well make it law you have to have prayer rooms or whatever it is ?
@user-cl7ub8ft6x
@user-cl7ub8ft6x 12 күн бұрын
The parents should pay the court costs! Disgusting waste if taxpayers money! Common sense has prevailed! This is a secular school anyway!
@spanglestein66
@spanglestein66 12 күн бұрын
If they want to pray 5 times a day ….ask your parents to leave the uk for an Islamic country
@joycegibbs5267
@joycegibbs5267 9 күн бұрын
there’s a political motive behind this IMO !!
@AlyshaRobson-qe1ns
@AlyshaRobson-qe1ns 13 күн бұрын
I feel excluded that my taxpaying money payed for this
@user-pc7dg1gl3d
@user-pc7dg1gl3d 13 күн бұрын
How the hell did she get legal aid
@julieclonan2427
@julieclonan2427 12 күн бұрын
Keir Stammerer probably or Cherie Bliar , and her dodgy Yuman Rights Lawyer Club .
@stephenporter6005
@stephenporter6005 9 күн бұрын
Religion of peace which this government Bend over backwards to keep happy
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
Vote REFORM 🇬🇧 UK and it won’t happen again Clue pathetic people in our government
@ruthcollins2841
@ruthcollins2841 12 күн бұрын
The parent should pay for ALL legal costs on both sides😊
@davidtomkins2542
@davidtomkins2542 13 күн бұрын
There are places for students to pray, go to a Muslim country,leave now
@262shiv
@262shiv 12 күн бұрын
LOL, even muslim countries like UAE , saudi, jordon will not take these radicals.. These deceptive radicals are more dangerous than taliban itself...UK has fallen
@amoyjoyce1117
@amoyjoyce1117 10 күн бұрын
Pray In the heart ! Oh Allah don’t listen to the heart, or they do t have a heart .. always trying to bully us into their way of life , I wish they really pray . Because he does not hear them. There is only one God the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
@262shiv
@262shiv 10 күн бұрын
Well they are here to do soft/deceptive and defensive jihad and establish caliphate, muslim countries already have caliphate so no purpose of going there. Now they are 10percent so switching to offensive.
@ZanSMC.473
@ZanSMC.473 10 күн бұрын
Racist🤬
@262shiv
@262shiv 10 күн бұрын
@@ZanSMC.473 its common sense and truth.
@patricktracey7424
@patricktracey7424 13 күн бұрын
a school is a place of education of learning not a religious mosque, prayers should be done outside school hours in privacy, if pupils cannot do this then move to another school.
@agentsmith6492
@agentsmith6492 12 күн бұрын
Or leave the country full stop
@maverick1487
@maverick1487 12 күн бұрын
Well said Patrick!👍
@tonybuttie3038
@tonybuttie3038 12 күн бұрын
Its nothing to do with praying, the kids can pray all nite, if they wanted too, its a show of dominance
@TheDevaser
@TheDevaser 9 күн бұрын
Yes!!!
@shelleylyme6402
@shelleylyme6402 13 күн бұрын
It's just another passive-aggressive attempt to possess public space and bully everyone else by that possession. Vile.
@Jkk55
@Jkk55 12 күн бұрын
Poking the bear I would say! It’s pathetic
@tonybuttie3038
@tonybuttie3038 12 күн бұрын
correct, Its nothing to do with praying, the kids can pray all nite, if they wanted too, its a show of dominance
@sandrastewart2450
@sandrastewart2450 12 күн бұрын
We are sick of them all waisting taxpayers money
@darshanathapa99
@darshanathapa99 12 күн бұрын
Wasting Sandra!
@gavindouglas7020
@gavindouglas7020 13 күн бұрын
A Muslim ☪️ living in Britain 🇬🇧 and is the victim Well I never
@catherinetaylor982
@catherinetaylor982 12 күн бұрын
Attending one of the best state schools in UK.
@davidmacgregor5193
@davidmacgregor5193 12 күн бұрын
They found out that they're not as entitled as they thought they were.
@patriciaoreilly8907
@patriciaoreilly8907 13 күн бұрын
Great headteacher & great school in Wembley very much respected by the residents & parents of children who go there 😊 very well behaviour at the bus stop after the school finishes for the day. Rules are crystal clear so for this to happen its shameful by the parent who put the school through unrest if you want to go to pray etc go to a Muslim school like Catholics go to a Catholic school 😊 this motive by the parent is very sinister motive & bulling to change the school system 😊 outstanding school & children enjoy the school .
@sandraowens4821
@sandraowens4821 10 күн бұрын
They want to stop, Easter and Christmas breaks, in the name of fairness of course!
@rosemarie-karma
@rosemarie-karma 13 күн бұрын
Simply go to a muslim school. We need to stop giving in
@fayabogush2956
@fayabogush2956 13 күн бұрын
To go to a muslim country would be even better.
@angelaeastwood3938
@angelaeastwood3938 12 күн бұрын
I agree
@kyrusinek
@kyrusinek 12 күн бұрын
I think some "kinda" know they would get a lesser education that would help them in the UK get a better job, if they went to an Islamic school. Its super odd having a religiously focused school because *your* religion doesn't translate to anything career wise. I dont mind it in a work environment so long as it during a brake, no more than I mind people who smoke having a tab brake.
@rosemarie-karma
@rosemarie-karma 12 күн бұрын
@kyrusinek I do mind it in a work environment. They take the piss as their book states, if you are in work you can Forgo your prayers during this time.
@user-ls4lx3qt3h
@user-ls4lx3qt3h 12 күн бұрын
Are they any Muslim schools 🤔
@deedee5562
@deedee5562 12 күн бұрын
Baz............. THIS IS ENGLAND. WE ALREADY HAVE OUR OWN CULTURE. OUR SCHOOLS ARE NOT YOUR MOSQUES AND AM DAMN WELL SICK OF IT. THE THOUGHT OF MY GRANDCHILDREN BEING AROUND THESE DISGUSTING IDEOLOGIES MAKES ME FEEL SICK,
@lmckennen8673
@lmckennen8673 6 күн бұрын
Shame you don’t fight for it Only complain You what’s called a coward
@deedee5562
@deedee5562 5 күн бұрын
@@lmckennen8673 what would you have me do?. Youve judged me a coward though, you dont know me at all.
@paulmahy
@paulmahy 12 күн бұрын
Why have there been no arrests in the threatening of the teacher who has had to go into hiding? These people making these threats should be locked up, then thrown out of the country. If they claim their lives will be in danger in their own country, then good, they shouldn't have f***** around in ours.
@bkaur04
@bkaur04 12 күн бұрын
How can she be allowed to waste our taxpayers money!!! Absolutely disgusting. Should be made to pay it back. We work hard, not for selfish people like this to waste it🤬🤬🤬
@jeffshaw3465
@jeffshaw3465 13 күн бұрын
So I go to a hotel that doesn’t have a spa and then I demand one.
@khadsykoo2528
@khadsykoo2528 12 күн бұрын
A spa is not a religious requirement..it's a service someone offers. The two are completely different so your analogy makes no sense.
@cookieking1996
@cookieking1996 12 күн бұрын
@@khadsykoo2528the analogy makes perfect sense. I don’t think you understand what an analogy is. It serves to highlight a common principle, not serve to present identical facts.
@janet5846
@janet5846 12 күн бұрын
​@khadsykoo2528 A school is not a place where religious requirements have to be observed. It's a school, if you don't like it, find another one. OC makes perfect sense, if you don't like certain hotel, school, no one is forcing you to go there, pick somewhere else, not that difficult
@khadsykoo2528
@khadsykoo2528 12 күн бұрын
@janet5846 a school needs to offer inclusion for all the pupils who attend. Pupils asking for some time to pray should not be a hindrance to the senior leadership team. It's not disrupting pupils or disadvantaging the school if anything it would be doing them favours. It's funny how people would allow LGBTQIA nonsense to be promoted but won't allow people to practice their faith.
@3factsNG
@3factsNG 12 күн бұрын
It's NOT a faith school, and it's made clear from the start, so if it doesn't suit you, don't go there.
@kerrybayton8356
@kerrybayton8356 13 күн бұрын
If you dont like the rules just go tio a muslim only school.. This student is a trouble maker & why should tax payers pay for this muslim trouble makers court cost?
@4thinternational283
@4thinternational283 12 күн бұрын
I somehow don't believe the child took it upon themselves to go and consult a solicitor.
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
Look at our pathetic leaders and that’s why
@user-wh2fd2yx2y
@user-wh2fd2yx2y 12 күн бұрын
This student should be made to pay the moneyback for legal aid, which is outrageous!! plus the costs of the oposition and damages to the school and teachers!
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
Our government should be outed they allowed this !!!!
@johnmcelroy347
@johnmcelroy347 12 күн бұрын
Why did this go to court? Such a waste of money. Government just squander our money.
@user-ve3px7zr4u
@user-ve3px7zr4u 13 күн бұрын
The school which does not allow this, is the one that absolutely excels. Surely this is the model for all schools, not the exception.
@ObiePaddles
@ObiePaddles 12 күн бұрын
Baz is wrong. This was about one religion being treated differently. It’s always the same one.
@sandraowens4821
@sandraowens4821 10 күн бұрын
We use to have christian asemblys in all schools when i was a child. No one was forced to attend. This was stopped because certain groups found it offensive.
@joycegibbs5267
@joycegibbs5267 9 күн бұрын
it’s the continuing show of dominance, like the hate marches each Saturday !
@lindahorn9644
@lindahorn9644 13 күн бұрын
Go to a school that has the time for prayers 5 times a day ....our kids need to learn.....do one GO away.....good on the schools that ban prayers in English schools then go a Muslim school f/o....England do you now ....
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
And bring back pork pie 🥧 and sausage rolls to our schools for those who want it
@WelshWoman23
@WelshWoman23 12 күн бұрын
lets not forget, she isnt only a head teacher of a school, she made the school!
@sharonseed
@sharonseed 12 күн бұрын
This is a total disgrace that this Muslim woman got legal aid of £150,00 of our hardworking British taxpayers money to pay for a prayer room in this school. Britain is a Christian country, if you don't like it you know what to do! 🇬🇧 🇬🇧
@clairecoupland3899
@clairecoupland3899 12 күн бұрын
She should be made to pay every penny of legal costs back, including the head teachers! Case shouldn't have been accepted in the first place! 🤦🏼‍♀️
@Maggie_n_Mitch23
@Maggie_n_Mitch23 13 күн бұрын
Should of gone to a school that allows such sillyness ?
@agnescraig2912
@agnescraig2912 12 күн бұрын
Am a Catholic migrant I can pray anytime without this "Look at religious me" act of kissing the ground with blazers used as a prayer mat BS
@martyy4073
@martyy4073 13 күн бұрын
schools are for education keep your religion at home
@khadsykoo2528
@khadsykoo2528 13 күн бұрын
Alright then stop celebrating Christmas Easter and all the other Christian holidays. Can't have it both ways.
@jordanharrison8454
@jordanharrison8454 13 күн бұрын
@khadsykoo2528 Christmas is hardly even a Christian holiday any more. You heard about the fat man in the red suit and with the white beard? As for Easter barely anyone cares. School is for education, not talking to some imaginary being.
@BellaBoz
@BellaBoz 13 күн бұрын
​@@khadsykoo2528 It's a Christian country , not middle east. Come down 😂
@squirrelboy1328
@squirrelboy1328 13 күн бұрын
​@@khadsykoo2528 It's a Christian country ! Now don't bring in the comment that all are atheists in the West. No we aren't. We are Christians and we follow Christ and it means a lot to us. Learn to respect the laws in the Country that took you in and leave religion out of schools if that is the rule in that country.
@poppy1779
@poppy1779 12 күн бұрын
Get off your high horse before you fall off, khad.
@christinezafiris4777
@christinezafiris4777 12 күн бұрын
Why did the taxpayers pay the student’s legal fees? What a disgrace. The student should leave the school.
@skruffs1537
@skruffs1537 13 күн бұрын
The head teacher is correct, School is for learning not prayer. If the parents do not like it, they can move their children elsewhere. Simple ! How dare the mum bringing this cost the public = disgusting!!! That family should have to pay their own legal fees!
@karma-queenofflames376
@karma-queenofflames376 13 күн бұрын
If everyone was forced to pander to all of our feelings, this issue would have no end. Keep prayer within buildings of worship and at home. We don't all have to participate in your beliefs. You're not special, you're just entitled.
@joycegibbs5267
@joycegibbs5267 9 күн бұрын
sadly, this has all come from America & the lawyers are making a fortune. This country is run by lawyers & the civil service, not politicians 😢
@kevinmcmahon6910
@kevinmcmahon6910 13 күн бұрын
You never hear a good story about this demographic. It's always aggravation and a cost to our country. I'm waiting to see what benefits they actually bring.
@MB-xz8xd
@MB-xz8xd 12 күн бұрын
To all those liking this comment... I assume that by 'this demographic' you are not subtly pointing towards Muslims? Well my fellow Brit (if you are British of course) have you even bothered to consider any benefits they might bring? Have you even tried to search online for your answer or will you allow a certain sort of thinking (some may call this ignorant thinking or stereotyping or plain racism or just downright miserliness and resentment- I am not specifically stating this) that Muslims may well be the most generous group in the UK? - and that they may actually donate four times more to charity than the average Brit? Well if you'd stop for a moment to find out you'd see that actually this is true. So guess what? I'm assuming you're not a Muslim, so any Muslim is probably way way more generous than you. Just the likelihood of statistics. Nothing personal. I'd call that a huge benefit that Muslims bring right? Would you? Words are cheap right... Actions much less so. Can you put your hands in your pockets?
@kevinmcmahon6910
@kevinmcmahon6910 12 күн бұрын
And there we have it, once you call out what you see every week, the answer is always "racist". I put it to " my friend" that the British people are the most generous hosts in the world. However, there are those that are not satisfied with this and want to make our country in their own image. Whether you like it or not this is primarily a white Christian country and Christian do not need to boast about their generosity because it's there for all to see.
@richlk9901
@richlk9901 12 күн бұрын
​@MB-xz8xd they donate 4 times more because its a tenant of islam. That's not charity. Charity is when one voluntarily aids a cause /people. If u want to talk about how generous the said community is please find out how much they voluntarily donate to causes/people then brag.
@richlk9901
@richlk9901 12 күн бұрын
​@@MB-xz8xdsince they're soo generous they can pay fir this farce of a lawsuit
@bigdaveo397
@bigdaveo397 12 күн бұрын
​@MB-xz8xd you weren't able to answer the question.....what do they bring other than total aggravavtion and division everywhere they settle. The majority of UK Muslim charitable donations are to Islamic charities.
@sonyashas9347
@sonyashas9347 13 күн бұрын
Well done to this head teacher who took the hard way to fight for what is right and best for everyone. In this case the protestors were hired people from the Iranian Islamic center in London. I feel sorry for the other teacher with young family whose headteacher apologised to the mullah and the parents and still the mullah was not appeased and the teacher was laid off and now for the last 3 years he is in hiding. His life is ruined. Remember what happened to Rushdie.
@MackemdownsouthF.T.M
@MackemdownsouthF.T.M 12 күн бұрын
We've young kids in Britain starving and then you've got this tosh
@BeasantN
@BeasantN 13 күн бұрын
This is a christian country. Want to practice another religion outside of a school or work day fine. Want to do that during a school day or working day there are many countries around the world that will have that religion, you wish to practice, so go there. If that makes you unhappy go to where you can be happy. You have the freedom to do that.
@khadsykoo2528
@khadsykoo2528 13 күн бұрын
Actually it's not a Christian country. Majority of people identify as Athiest or Agnostic.
@inh415
@inh415 13 күн бұрын
Just separate religion from anything public. No public funding. Not in schools and definitely not in government.
@Balabaluka
@Balabaluka 13 күн бұрын
Practicing Christians would understand the need of a practitioner of another (in particular Abrahamic) religion to uphold regular prayer. You can see examples in Jerusalem and elsewhere where Christians protect praying Muslims and vice versa.
@khadsykoo2528
@khadsykoo2528 13 күн бұрын
@Balabaluka exactly 💯. If it truly is a Christian country then you lot would know the importance of prayer.
@inh415
@inh415 13 күн бұрын
@@Balabaluka need or want?
@user-tg5vs1xz5x
@user-tg5vs1xz5x 13 күн бұрын
Where can. Muslim pray 5 times a day ? How about go pray in a Muslim country
@AKay-dh4gq
@AKay-dh4gq 13 күн бұрын
Muslims pray no matter where they are, Muslim county or not. They are the only people who actually pray no other religion takes their prayers seriously People hate strong faiths but you can not destroy Islam it is still growing faster than other religion A Muslim will pray whether you agree or not
@ady6837
@ady6837 13 күн бұрын
​@@AKay-dh4gq🙄😄
@user-tg5vs1xz5x
@user-tg5vs1xz5x 13 күн бұрын
@@AKay-dh4gq They need to leave this country
@itube027
@itube027 13 күн бұрын
@@AKay-dh4gqsure, just do it and don’t involve everyone else. You know your Muslim prayer is just a mixture of yoga and sun worship, right?
@manassesfilho5518
@manassesfilho5518 12 күн бұрын
​@@AKay-dh4gq mate why someone has the needs to hate a strong faith? Why do you believe people have to destroy islam? I believe you live in a paranoia state of mind or your perception of reallty is totally wrong.
@improfit9945
@improfit9945 13 күн бұрын
I recently attended an onlne interactive course, there was constant disruption by a particular demographic, disapperaing and then reapperaing and demanding special attention for being absent and missing tuition !
@c-yc5rk
@c-yc5rk 12 күн бұрын
She can pray all she wants after school, no instructions in the Koran, only extremists pushing this as in her Mother.
@tonybuttie3038
@tonybuttie3038 12 күн бұрын
correct, Its nothing to do with praying, the kids can pray at home, if they wanted too, its a show of dominance and trying to force islam into a school,
@ZanSMC.473
@ZanSMC.473 10 күн бұрын
​@@tonybuttie3038 at least we don't pray to a blond hair, blue eyed idol🤡🤡🤡
@bl4531
@bl4531 13 күн бұрын
She's quite right for standing her ground, sticking to her principles and putting all pupils first. Of course certain people don't like strong women . Their problem.
@_lmagine
@_lmagine 13 күн бұрын
We really should use this as a benchmark for the rest of the country. No special areas or times for Muslims please. We're all equal here.
@ZanSMC.473
@ZanSMC.473 10 күн бұрын
Biggott🤬
@user-ql5hu1nl5d
@user-ql5hu1nl5d 12 күн бұрын
Did Muhammad, at 53 years of age marry a 6 year old?
@priortokaraew7569
@priortokaraew7569 12 күн бұрын
54
@Nabil-js5xu
@Nabil-js5xu 11 күн бұрын
She was 9 years old not 6.And what about 3 years old Rebecca.
@nymgrace1227
@nymgrace1227 11 күн бұрын
The profit consummated this “marriage “ when she was a woman of nine and he was a young lad of 54. He also married his son’s ex wife
@user-ql5hu1nl5d
@user-ql5hu1nl5d 11 күн бұрын
@@nymgrace1227 do you think a 9 year old is a woman?
@ZanSMC.473
@ZanSMC.473 10 күн бұрын
Virgin Mary 15, Joseph The Carpenter 80🤫🤫🤫🤡🤡🤡
@GrantMC100
@GrantMC100 13 күн бұрын
The whole education system should adopt this approach. Keep religion away from our schools, colleges and universities. These people are religious fanatics,we are not.
@nickyleighton3766
@nickyleighton3766 13 күн бұрын
Fast forward a few years and that student will be causing problems ...big problems
@nemosays6337
@nemosays6337 13 күн бұрын
Courtesy of an exemplary education!
@joycegibbs5267
@joycegibbs5267 9 күн бұрын
I heard she’d threatened another pupil with a knife? Maybe this was to get back at the school for whatever punishment she might have had ?
@ab36935
@ab36935 13 күн бұрын
Its too late, the floodgates are already open, and thousands more boat people are of the same religion.
@davidloughlin2238
@davidloughlin2238 13 күн бұрын
Appalling case, Katherine is quite right, her focus is on discipline and a quality education. I am 65 and had a disciplined, quality education in a poor area. That education had carried me through my entire life and I am very grateful for it. Too many of the modern students seem more focused on disruption and battling with their teachers, the will have their fun but the consequences of wasting their school time will be felt through their entire lives.
@vonyp6018
@vonyp6018 13 күн бұрын
They can pray after school apparently in order to make it up
@jimbo-yv5jh
@jimbo-yv5jh 12 күн бұрын
They'll never change our way of life.
@labouraredangerous
@labouraredangerous 13 күн бұрын
Just repatriate them already
@roblloyd1879
@roblloyd1879 13 күн бұрын
I agree with the court findings completely. I would prefer to see all schools secular. I remember when I was in school back in the late 50s/early 60s some catholic children would get up and leave the classroom if religion was mentioned, much to the amusement of the rest of the class and often the teacher. Rather pathetic really.
@seanpaul3050
@seanpaul3050 13 күн бұрын
The real story here is the scumbag lawyer who took this case on. That is what we should be talking about.
@Uniquely_L1
@Uniquely_L1 12 күн бұрын
Very likely a cousin brother 😒
@MrCarol666
@MrCarol666 11 күн бұрын
Should not be allowed its not a crime and is not mandatry to have seperate times for prays .5 times a day the lads pray while the wifes tend to the house home or farm in there lands .that is fact the people carry a beaded chalise to prey no reason for seperate quarters ..some carry there own mat to kneel on or cushion ...
@pamelsims2068
@pamelsims2068 12 күн бұрын
I taught in a mixed race , inner city school. There were frequent occasions where up to 20% of my students left my GCSE lessons early, or arrived late, because they had Muslim prayers. It was disruptive and, as it was a Science lesson, they had no idea what the lesson was about and I had to stop what I was doing to register them then catch them up to speed, or they walked out before the lesson was drawn to a conclusion and the learning summarised. Other students were annoyed and distracted and it was very difficult. Students are in school to learn and they should not be disadvantaged in this way. This school treats all students equally and the results speak for themselves.
@typetwo
@typetwo 12 күн бұрын
Very interesting comment. Thanks.
@louloubrow2171
@louloubrow2171 8 күн бұрын
Then that’s the schools fault!!! Shouldn’t never of allowed this
@zackay8818
@zackay8818 12 күн бұрын
if i sued someone and lost wouldnt i have to pay court costs we need now to claw back the money from the family who i would think are not poor sending daughter to a great school . please get my money back
@simplesimon5739
@simplesimon5739 13 күн бұрын
Baz should do one. We need to learn no lessons from him or his faith.
@loopyloo788
@loopyloo788 13 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Telling a highly successful head teacher ‘she could learn from other schools’. The bloody audacity.
@grash4435
@grash4435 13 күн бұрын
Don't you like rules at school change the school . Or even change the country.
@daviecanning1180
@daviecanning1180 13 күн бұрын
That's par for the course with these people. Act nonchalant till they get their feet under the table. Then try to change things for their own agenda. We're on a very slippery slope.
@PatrickNaag-uq5yt
@PatrickNaag-uq5yt 12 күн бұрын
Tbh, it's not really praying 5x a day. It's more like cursing non-believers 5x a day. That's pretty much salat
@anajaz9459
@anajaz9459 12 күн бұрын
anyone who believes this can simply read how to pray and find out this is untrue
@wickertwm
@wickertwm 13 күн бұрын
They can have private schools that cater to their faith, the problem is that they don't want to pay for it. Everything should be free in Britain, and why would you pay for a private school when you can muscle the public school to your will?
@julieclonan2427
@julieclonan2427 12 күн бұрын
There called Madrases with Mattresses, they only read 1 Book.
@glideman
@glideman 12 күн бұрын
Deport!
@littzy5576
@littzy5576 13 күн бұрын
Out money wasted on this it’s an absolute joke if you want to challenge the rules do it on your own money. Her family should be made to pay this back
@manichairdo9265
@manichairdo9265 12 күн бұрын
Everyone pays the price of someone's self centredness. Deep sigh.
@4thinternational283
@4thinternational283 12 күн бұрын
This headmistress is now in grave danger. It wouldn't surprise me if she ends up in hiding like the teacher from Batley.
@theozzy4717
@theozzy4717 10 күн бұрын
Bit of a different situation. She has a court ruling on her side.
@4thinternational283
@4thinternational283 8 күн бұрын
@@theozzy4717 true, but it only takes one of these lunatics.
@robertrickett1636
@robertrickett1636 12 күн бұрын
Won’t be long before they are waving a flip flop in the air over something else
@Conpauleonina
@Conpauleonina 13 күн бұрын
DON’T give them special treatment for religious beliefs . Get a grip of this now . As this kind of thing leads to division and eventually violence on religious grounds. Trust me I grew up through the troubles in Belfast. It was bleak and many suffered on religious grounds.
@darwinsfish
@darwinsfish 12 күн бұрын
Exactly, education is the key.
@MAZ732
@MAZ732 12 күн бұрын
His talking about Muslim schools and making it sound like he’s talking about Christian schools! Show me a main stream british school that lets its kids leave class 5 times a day to pray, just one?
@troyenglish5047
@troyenglish5047 12 күн бұрын
Also at the workplace it needs to stop we are not allowed to leave our station & go & pray.🤬
@jamaali2358
@jamaali2358 12 күн бұрын
don't place restrictions on yourself, think you are more than that
@user-yz7vc1ux6p
@user-yz7vc1ux6p 12 күн бұрын
How on earth were these people allowed to get legal aid for this I find this disgusting they are throwing our tax money around as if it was confetti no wonder we have problems in this country.
@tonyh1515
@tonyh1515 13 күн бұрын
The poor taxpayer as usual the gov. are GANGSTERS !!
@BalkarSingh-xe8zv
@BalkarSingh-xe8zv 12 күн бұрын
Nice to see they can't have it there own way all the time
@rigilchrist
@rigilchrist 12 күн бұрын
It is an outrage that a mother who placed her daughter in a secular school, would then exploit her daughter to take this action, at the public expense. There is something very wrong at the Legal Aid Agency who agreed to fund this action and they need to be held to account. I see that in the Head's measured response to the ruling, she states: "This mum intends to send her second child to Michaela, starting in September. At the same time, this mum has sent a letter to our lawyers, suggesting that she may take us to court yet again over another issue at the school she doesn't like, presumably once again at the tax-payer's expense". The intolerance of Muslims once again challenges our tolerant society. We should heed the advice of Karl Popper, and not tolerate the intolerant.
@typetwo
@typetwo 12 күн бұрын
When I worked in Social Work I remember hearing the phrase 'my lawyer' from people on benefits every so often. I truly believe legal aid is vital socially, but 'vexatious litigation' must be stopped.
@lyndamayfield1913
@lyndamayfield1913 12 күн бұрын
Probably something to do with sausages on the menu 🙄
@Kat-pu7ls
@Kat-pu7ls 13 күн бұрын
This man is not listening. Michaela doesn’t have the space….
@snsn7251
@snsn7251 13 күн бұрын
Selective hearing and pandering
@robedmundsvid
@robedmundsvid 13 күн бұрын
He doesn't want to listen
@yunusrai2752
@yunusrai2752 13 күн бұрын
Most of the year only need one prayer rest are out of school hours ... country is unfortunately loosing its intelligence
@suvoir
@suvoir 13 күн бұрын
which madrasa is that inclusive gem from? Mogadishu school of thought and Kabul Institutes of Tolerance?
@arao7047
@arao7047 12 күн бұрын
How was taxpayer money allowed to be used
@valeriegrimshaw1365
@valeriegrimshaw1365 13 күн бұрын
Notice how they USE their women and children...megaphones, challenges to school ethos....
@neogirl37
@neogirl37 13 күн бұрын
We've never had a separate prayer time in English schools, might have sung morning has broken in assembly & said a few little words, but that's it! We are also a Christian country, not going to lie about it, we're in England!
@jamaali2358
@jamaali2358 12 күн бұрын
Secular democracy nothing Christian about this country and if it was it would understand the importance of prayer.
@pinkdiamond1847
@pinkdiamond1847 12 күн бұрын
B/S my primary school had us go to church once a week and it wasn't even a Christian school and this was in the 2000s So it wasn't even that long ago (unless you are much younger than me and if you are, what are you doing here? Go and enjoy your youth. Stop getting into politics, it'll only stress you out)
@pinkdiamond1847
@pinkdiamond1847 12 күн бұрын
​@@jamaali2358 Not to mention kindness towards others and not judging others without judging yourselves There is absolutely No kindness here in England and almost nothing but harsh judgements cast upon others. Jesus would be disappointed with us and I say us because I am part of the problem although I am working on it it's hard to be in British society and not be evil.
@jamaali2358
@jamaali2358 12 күн бұрын
@pinkdiamond1847 People are different let's respect each other, help each other and learn from each other. All the right wing peddle is hate and restrictions. How miserable is that of a life to lead.
@DeeOdzta
@DeeOdzta 12 күн бұрын
@@jamaali2358 At the institutional level, the Anglican Church maintains its status of religion of the state and the King is still Head of the Church: hence by law, England is still a Christian country, which entails some specific privileges for the Church of England that are not extended to other religions.
@st6576
@st6576 12 күн бұрын
Anyone can pray on their own in their head throughout the day. But it's unreasonable to demand extra space, extra time, etc. Go to a religious school if you want special treatment.
@bv3bv334
@bv3bv334 13 күн бұрын
Sadly, the lady teacher could well now be a target. We live in a mad world.
@greyfriars6540
@greyfriars6540 13 күн бұрын
The only mandatory prayer is on Friday afternoons. All the others can be fitted in at any time. This iis culteral not religious.
@lindapayne1595
@lindapayne1595 12 күн бұрын
Never had this crap 50 years ago.
@LivingOnaPrayer123
@LivingOnaPrayer123 12 күн бұрын
If she was allowed to pray and for example, other schoolchildren were noisy in the playground outside or in the corridors and disrupting her peaceful prayer, then is she going to sue the "noisy children" too?
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