TREX TALK - Analog VS Digital Night Vision

[@thesmallestminorityisthein4045]

Ive decided that, due to budgetary constraints, all my firefights need to happen between dawn and dusk. Thank you for your understanding.

[@The-LongRoad-Home]

Aurora from OP... So it's 100 bucks and it's not fire fighter friendly! But with an illuminator gives you the ability to see at least 100 m in pitch black without being lit up

[@julian23561]

You watched GT's night vision basics too? My man.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

White light?

[@jb123.9]

Lol

[@tylerz28]

@Rando cope

[@fosatech]

Listen here Isaac, the night vision bug has already hit me hard, and this isn't helping. I can't stop. Apparently my eyes start glowing green in my sleep, and I mumble something about "going dark." I think the wife is putting together an intervention. It can't end like this....

[@k01andersen26]

Lol

[@AV-nl9gc]

oh cmon we all know you dont have a wife

[@pounc3r782]

shes building a m200? sick

[@eliasmanriquez133]

Do they make nightvision that shows the enemy’s name tag through walls?

[@fury556]

They make them for friendlies

[@bureaucratbayonet]

Thats called wall hacking and it'll get you banned

[@Chretze]

no those are banned by the geneva conventions and you'll get a VAC ban for using them :(

[@Brinkplayer1]

More Isaac going in depth on all topics, exactly what I needed

[@fury556]

I had the opportunity to talk to a retired cag operator and I asked him why gpnvgs were available to the public, and if that meant the military had something better. He said that they were able to connect their newer gpnvgs to atacr. They saw topography data, friendly call signs, and a compass. Seeing as how gpnvgs use analog tubes I was pretty astonished

[@emuliusv]

32:19 haha I wasn't expecting "super easy barely an inconvenience" on a trex arms video

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

Reference?

[@jtlegionnaire6310]

@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 pitch meeting KZbin videos

[@f308gtb1977]

@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 Ryan George on the “Screen Rants” KZbin channel in his above-mentioned series “Pitch Meeting” videos. The channel is mediocre but Ryan George is absolute comedy GOLD.

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

32:38 I'm having flashbacks of the darkest night of my life, when the clips on my battery compartment broke. I lost the batteries in the grass, but I had spares and I found the cover. We couldn't get tape to hold it in place, so I had to literally walk blind with my hand on my buddy's shoulder for hours. I was so glad to see twilight! That tube got deadlined and turned in with a vengeance.

[@Valorius]

Thank god it happened on an Airsoft field, amirite?

[@chef69420]

Couldn't just walk with a hand behind your head holding the batteries in? 😂

[@christopherromo8013]

"Communication disruption only means one thing... Invasion" Sound about right 🤔 Hats off to the Tech guy with that quick vpn idea. 😁

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

Watching the recording a day later, I think it worked!

[@styxrf]

I feel like youtube is more threatened by Isaac's ideas and ideals than Lucas's doodads (which are still really cool). Edit: because it always seems like Issac has more stream related issues

[@The-LongRoad-Home]

I love the old Tube TVs! when you pull the plug it had that warm up to static mode, all the molecules becoming excited enough through electricity to allow you to melt your brain✌🏼

[@TREXARMS]

Yeah, seeing and hearing the ramping voltages up and the tube warm up is fun.

[@chef69420]

Can't forget the tingles when you touched em, or pressed your cheek up against the screen.

[@colinfair3527]

Will hence forth refer to night vision devices, as "magical telescopes".

[@benjamynty1168]

Really enjoy the educational talks you bring, Isaac. Thanks. Also night vision awesome.

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

The "really bad frame rate at the beginning" is probably a deliberate storytelling device to illuminate (pun intended) the drawbacks of digital night vision. Well played, Charles!

[@Daniel-zv5pi]

IVAS is meant to provide thermal, night vision, a HUD with things like an ammo counter, there’s a compass in it that you see on the HUD as well. It’s pretty cool, but the digital aspect of it gives a noticeable delay, or lag. There’s other capabilities I forgot about, but yea

[@PandasFknRule]

The usual gun stuff is cool but hearing Isaac go into detail and inject his own brand of wit into it is helpful and enjoyable.

[@andrewjfranek3004]

Dual thermal and visual camera blending is commercially available. DJI uses this system on the thermal drones like the mavic enterprise dual. It is probably the future for commercially available night vision.

[@emmettlikeaboss8085]

“Far better than you would expect from something this tiny” I’m gonna use that line, that’s good

[@ninja5672]

For podcasting, consider the value-for-value model and the "podcasting 2.0" protocols. Adam Curry is sort of the creator.

[@RLGRacing]

Stream start 6:38

[@thesmallestminorityisthein4045]

Not all heros wear capes. 👍

[@telldeatrich3593]

Big group of drones moving around south west Nebraska a year or so ago. Weirdly, no one knew what they were doing, and wanted to know, but everyone told us how much trouble we would be in if we shot one...

[@KevinJohn556]

I would take any nvd right now. Just can’t afford anything at the moment

[@sonicnofadz]

the question regarding the military "fusion" nv, is more than likely a reference to the ECOTI thermal device, not IVAS. ECOTI is available to civilians (although without access to the milspec HUD software) for around 8-9k per unit

[@Spessforce]

We really need to see a ghetto IVAS made from drone FPV goggles now. It would be remarkably easy to integrate a weapon sight camera into it using the same wireless tech that makes it work with drones.

[@2fernandi]

Very sturdy, and easy to clean.Excellent product

[@alexwang007]

You know removing the color filter array should boost the low light performance by A LOT. You could do that with a pair of steady hands and not many tools. You do loose the AR coating but you could get it reapplied by vapor deposition.

[@deltamike3418]

Thank goodness I finished the Silmarillion before seeing this: otherwise I would have no idea how these things work! ;) Keep up the good work guys!

[@energizerkelley]

The total nerd out at about the 1 hour mark got me. 😂

[@beachboardfan9544]

I'm surprised you didnt discuss the raspberry pi NV and ATN x-sight digital NV 'smart' scopes!

[@Sevendeucegroup]

You guys are awesome as usual… saved me countless dollars!

[@tylerharris3602]

This shit is fascinating. I bought an Aurora because of you. For a handheld observation tool it's great. Helmet mounted its ok for coyotes and screwing around but no it's not even gen2. Sure it might be almost as sensitive but the lag is the killer and the screen is just not good enough.

[@JoeyCarbone_1]

I turn off gps, the compass, and don’t used the recording feature and don’t have any lag. That and an IR illuminator on the helmet and they’re crazy good.

[@logdog4010]

I work in x ray manufacturing, and a lot of the production technology is very similar to analogue night vision.

[@Glonk_Respecter]

Always a pleasure Isaac

[@antonioblackfox]

Literally having this conversation with an old dude yesterday. Clear it up for us ty

[@Ronin_72]

If this keeps happen maybe start a blog and have photos that we can refer too while listening to an audio only podcast.

[@Ashley-1917]

I feel like its really doing a disservice to say that the aurora is on the level of gen 2. Gen 2 can see in the dark and is useful, *the aurora is not* . If you actually spend the time to do some proper testing, you will find that the aurora is not at the level of the cheapest gen 1 in terms of just raw sensitivity. Currently, there is just no way for a digital sensor to compete with a chemical photocathode (adjusted for area of course). If you want to use it passively, you are often better off just using your two ubaugmented eyeballs in the dark. Two fully adapted eyes are about on par, sometimes better than the aurora when it comes to just seeing in the dark. When I was testing it, I found that it can produce images at a similar fidelity to a gen 2, but only when set to the maximum exposure time of several seconds.

[@AlphaOneDesigns]

I've tested aurora against gen 2 and gen 3 tubes, and it does in fact compare especially with IR illuminator.

[@luciankristov6436]

I built a set of nods with caddx ratel 2 and ncts 1.5 screen. I made my own housing units on CAD and printed them in FDE 1.75. i mean for less then 150$ a unit, i can see pretty decently and with a 940nm 10w diode on 4.5v it looks like purple daylight. Its only realistically good for 75 yards at best being able to see what youre looking at with details. Max range id say is make 250 yards 🤷🏼‍♂️ digital is pretty fun .

[@myballwilson]

Isaac, you provide very thorough and useful contentl. Your Ham radio videos were also practical and full of just the right mix of nerd to suit my taste. I'd love to see a video with your father. He obvious raised a bunch of sharp family oriented progeny. I'd like to hear his child rearing style. I think your viewers would enjoy it too. Fathering is becoming a lost art.

[@Redeemedbylove1987]

“Night and day.” Good one!

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

There's a big downside to bringing data into a HUD, and that is information overload and the OODA Loop. Fighter pilots know all about it.

[@toddinfl]

With a small amount of light the Sightmark 4k Max is a great optic. A little heavy but can see out to 800 yds np with the right optical magnifier unit in tandem. IR is necessary in total darkness with digital NV. Sionyx sucks.

[@foxtrotunit1269]

23:30 Why not attach a *big lens* , which gathers more like due to it's *large surface area* , and *focuses* it down to that small camera ? It might make your setup look like a mix between a Nikon paparazzi cam and Steam HTC Vive - but hey - you get *120 FPS, minimum latency, low power cost.*

[@TREXARMS]

No reason, except more size and weight.

[@sportbrand1171]

I'm so mad I missed this.

[@fosatech]

Same bro, same

[@hanneliediedericks3025]

Easy-to-use.. right out of the box

[@corruption2.066]

What is the best company to purchase night vision from? Looking to buy soon.

[@fury556]

TNVC let’s you choose your own specs with no up charge

[@julian23561]

TNVC, Steele industries

[@corruption2.066]

Thanks fellas

[@Falconguygaming]

6:30 for the start

[@Sir_punchwood]

What is the node size of the chips being used in currently available digital NV tubes? We are coming up on "3 nm" nodes for smartphones like in iPhones. Those hyper efficient nodes are expensive, but not using tem is probably the single most important inefficiency of current nvgs.

[@spinyheghog]

The man that invented how to coat the optics was kicked out of high-school. The man who invented the process quit school and went to work at Westinghouse. The man who invented the photo tubes was kicked out of high-school and took college entrance exam without telling them he was kicked out.

[@isaacbotkintrex]

Sounds about right. I barely finished high school, so I must be just about to invent something awesome!

[@EvanDickersonM81]

I just shriek at the top of my lungs to echolocate my enemies

[@PRATEEK30111989]

would love to know more about the tranformers in these devices

[@dogboy0912]

There's a saying in aviation actually, which is that nvg does not turn day into night. Couple people have made that mistake historically. Some have almost died, some did die.

[@JohnKuhles1966]

SiOnyx Aurora Pro needs a Review too

[@mstwntdSS]

Well now we need a video about drones 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@foxtrotunit1269]

US Army is switching to *digital* nightvision (because it's digital, it also has augmented reality). NVGs are not just for SpecOps anymore... Here's the new NVG in action: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5a6oZ2LhLGFZtk

[@breadm8101]

My digital device has 480p 60 fps it's slightly better than Gen 2 but not gen 3 it's hard to compare them since like you said they are different pieces of tech

[@sladeoriginal]

Need to drop the stream resolution.

[@TREXARMS]

We fixed it running through a VPN. We have plenty of bandwidth, but apparently were having trouble getting to the KZbin servers.

[@thelivingmanpart2]

Wait so is your a7sii converted to infrared or full spectrum??

[@thomas_jay]

Looks like good audio affect the visuals.

[@justaguyguns149]

I bought some PV7As thinking I could fix them, but am having trouble finding the tubes. Who should I try?

[@rezdog187]

The Taliban

[@mcalixtro82]

The more mainstream nightvision gets, the better. I guarantee though, digital night vision will have a huge boost the same way smartphone camera have.

[@josiahb55]

Thanks

[@Strawman333]

Seeing in the dark is a "super power". Especially if your adversary cannot.

[@The-LongRoad-Home]

The difference between seeing it, and seeing it through a Re-creation of a lens... I think all analog and digital devices are at the core drastically different. I believe analog has life to it,Digital is already dead by the time you see it... even if they pumped up the refresh rate and topped out the infrared sensitivity...It is just different!!!

[@julian23561]

Have you seen the X27 nightvision camera system? Its massive, but its actual, effective, color, digital nightvision. It just needs to be more compact, portable and mountable to a helmet.

[@isaacbotkintrex]

@@julian23561 Actually, I haven't seen it. I've heard about it for years, tried to contact the company several times, and waited to see anyone test it, and I've never actually seen a proper demo.

[@julian23561]

@@isaacbotkintrex maybe its hush hush gubment secret, lol. There's one channel that demoed it around 3 years ago, but as far as content coming from official channels, none have popped up.

[@Ashley-1917]

Thats just sentimental. Its not like you are actually looking through an analog unit when you use it, its just a really clever, well made illusion. If you can make a digital unit preform at the same level as an analog unit (which I doubt will ever come to pass), the illusion will be just as convincing.

[@Ashley-1917]

@@julian23561 There are color adaptors for WP pvs-14s

[@sonicnofadz]

if you want to go digital...you might as well just go thermal. Same issues with weight, frame rate, and battery consumption, but you can actually see things, from VERY far away (I can see planes flying 20,000 feet+ at night, miles away). Digital NV will also get better, but its so far behind analog NV that its really just not worth it (considering today's level of tech)...that said devices like sionyx are still very useful in certain situations, would I personally buy one over digital thermal + analog NV : nope

[@captaindookey]

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a digital knockoff of a gpnvg yet. Do you know how cool that would be? Yeah for the record I'm that guy who was able to navigate in the dark with eyeclop's night vision

[@benmintel]

We fight by candle sticks like real men

[@constantk8780]

Where's the mlok mount for that.

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

So you’re telling me I can buy a superpower for $700? MasterCard is about to get another slave

[@benthephilosopher]

more like $3000, but yeah

[@xxXXDragonrageXXxx]

It seems Isaac is not only a wealth of knowledge but may also be a Tolkien fan? Please let it be so!

[@tysonboyle4718]

Your doing great. Your devilishly good look only get in the way of your message bud.

[@johnshipley9755]

Do they have night vision that works underwater.

[@shanek6582]

Yup, the SEALs even have a special scuba mask with a mount on the front that they could mount a pvs14. I guess it’s just regular NODs though, just waterproof.

[@paraglidingnut26]

@@shanek6582 Most regular NODS are waterproof to a certain depth for a certain amount of time. If you want to spend thousands & discover the breaking point, good luck!

[@shanek6582]

@@paraglidingnut26 yeah, I ain’t doing it, just remember hearing Don Shipley talking about it in an old video

[@BennyFF64]

My PVS14 is cleared up to 60 feet

[@julian23561]

The PVS-18 mono is actually submersible.

[@Chromirage]

Basically tube amp vs electric

[@manny45629]

New to this channel, is that Lucas’s dad?

[@John_Stabeezi]

No

[@budderybuns1859]

Bōrther

[@BeeHiverson]

Yea it’s his dad! He has 3 dads

[@Groyped]

Kek

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Lucas was birthed by BCM for promotional purposes

[@YorktownUSA]

AC1 when?

[@The-LongRoad-Home]

Is all I know is try driving 20-30 kilometers with Digi, then throw on the The phosphorus tube and calm your stomach✌🏼

[@FeelmyFondue]

I am subscribed with notification but I do not get notifications.

[@isaacbotkintrex]

KZbin doesn't like us so much....

[@Odin31b]

Skip to 06:33 why not edit that out??

[@ItsEverythingElse]

Of course NODs like the PV-14 have refresh rates. No device is instantaneous.

[@Valorius]

As an ex infantryman and a fellow who worked 20 years as a PI in one of the most dangerous cities in America, please heed my advice when I tell you: Quality White light > Night vision. Not only does a white light illuminate far better, it will temporarily blind the LARPer in the night vision who is stumbling around trying to walk around looking through a straw. Spend the massive amount of money on a good white light and night time shooting practice instead of NV.

[@Valorius]

This is very important information for LARPers like the doods at TRex Arms.

[@PaletoB]

I will ask the supply guy for more "magic telescope devises" ;-)

[@L330ne]

Sean Bean in Patriot Games lol

[@ctrip34]

As far as money goes I'm sure companies would make a lot more if they were to drop the price. More ppl would buy them & buy multiple of them. Kinda doesn't make sense to me.

[@TREXARMS]

They make the same money selling them to MIL, they apparently can't make them in greater quantities, and they don't want to build new manufacturing tooling.

[@zl14l41]

Its not surprising they came up with the technology back then, they had acid and lsd

[@chrisbriggs3950]

Nifty

[@DindoNuffin-e2x]

Farnsworth tubes? Eh WOT!?

[@michaelpro2800]

It’s almost exactly like Xray technology

[@Sebbo187]

whats the point of making this a live stream? a video would be fine

[@isaacbotkintrex]

If I were better at answering the questions.

[@Sebbo187]

@@isaacbotkintrex are you a bot or having a stroke?

[@XDWX]

So they can answer questions in the chat

[@Sebbo187]

@@XDWX ^YEEAAAAHHH because they cant answer to comments under their video!!!!1!!

[@XDWX]

@@Sebbo187 that's not as efficient nor effective

[@Ssquanchh]

I cant stand the lag in this video 😤

[@Kakifruit194]

The T-rex is a made up dino... ​ ⁠The name T-rex derived from Theutobochus Rex who was a giant king 25.5 feet in length. He was king of the teutons in dauphine. He was found in a tomb back in 1613. They shipped his bones to america and used it to present a 'new' carnivore preditor-the TRex dino. The people didn't believe that there would've been such a creature on american soil. After a short public display they stored the bones underground in a museum to make a reappearance approx 50 years later.

[@samueltodd9341]

Gtg

[@ctrip34]

Lol I hope real nightvision doesnt hold its value, cuz I want some damnit.. Shit, I'd even settle for gen1.

[@vancelandry9369]

Well it looks like they finished their Afghanistan, so they can now have some Iran.

[@mikehunt7877]

Superhero and sports analogies are the worst.. sorry not sorry

[@niteowl9733]

Night vision is still way over priced. I understand when talking about something that can give troops an advantage on the battlefield makes being "over priced" a subjective comment. Really though. How many years has NV been in use? It gets better and better while production becomes more efficient. I good set of NVGs shouldn't cost what they cost. The base line for the market price comes from government spending. We all know how government spending works. Its a sham! 40k for panos!? 12k for gen 3. 4.5k for a single tube? We gave the Taliban almost 17,000 pairs for free!!! It was cheaper to leave the NODs behind? really?! Sorry guys. I cant get behind the constant raping of the American people. Look at pharmaceuticals. What costs us 20 bucks a pill will cost .25c in another country. 12k for NODs for us, free for our enemies because it costs too much to bring them back. Slave labor in china replaces American's jobs and we still pay a premium for imported shit while the globalists and politicians get super rich. I wish American companies would stop robbing their own people. Look at ammo. Its a perfect example. I've seen the factories and there is no ammo shortage as of april 2022. All these 2A community supporters that are in the industry don't care. They love raping you! 60 bucks for a sling!? Because its "tactical." Its a nylon strap ffs! The big companies can count on one thing. The 2A community has more money than sense. Its a shame and a sham how the first ones to get on board to robbing you is your own. 80 cents for 556 in some places. 62 cents online. 500 rounds of 556 should cost 150 bucks or less if you buy more. Have you guys seen sigs new factory? At what point do they say, "Ok. its paid for itself 1000x over." "Lets give our brothers a break!" Not going to happen. If the SHT I fear their will be no patriotism. Just splinter groups of rednecks killing each other over control of the big farm on the hill. New groups trusting each other enough to merge is a crazy long shot at best. What gives me hope is most of the guys I've met with real night vision are too old and or fat to actually use them. Easy to take out if need be. Everyone in this community needs to understand the reality of the shit we could see in our life time. Good and like minded people across the country need to figure how to come together. Maybe a central hub for militias to join or something. I've heard of multiple militias that have split and are not cool with each other. 2 rich rednecks with land get pissed because they both want to be called the leader? You see where this is going? I understand the need to have structure but you shouldn't pass the leadership to some one just because they have the funds and land. Leadership needs to come from people with real experience. If the guy that owns the land cant swallow his pride and be a team player you need to find some where else to train. Following a farmer or a Building contractor that wants to larp as a general will only get you killed in a SHT situation. Its a shame that important gear like nods can only be procured by those types of guys. Make no mistake,. Those types of guys are usually out for themselves.

[@chrisbriggs3950]

Very punny

[@BlackDogOriginal]

Nerd