Trey Williams on deathcore breakdowns vs slams, how Dying Fetus switch it up | Aggressive Tendencies

Trey Williams of Dying Fetus talks about how he thinks deathcore bands use slams, not breakdowns and discusses the subgenre of slam death metal. He also delves into how the band Interview conducted in Toronto on March 18th, 2018, while the band were on tour with Thy Art Is Murder, Sanction and Rivers of Nihil.
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[@CH-rs7cm]

I love it when people talk gently, civil, and articulately about hellish music that involves carnage, audible destruction, random (or focused) violence, etc. Especially when they fade in and out of music and the discussion.

[@zerazara]

Depends on who you interview. There are many funny famous clowns in the metal scene, like Abbath from Immortal, or Glen Benton from Deicide. I love these guys. You know they are not taking anything too serious, and just joking around. (Well not so sure about Glen, but whatever. He is funny)

[@jacobeberhardt1649]

I like Trey. He's a cool dude.

[@AggressiveTendencies]

Isn't he?! It was a pleasure talking with him!

[@13lueBomber]

Se.

[@evrakk3543]

Dying Fetus slams, but I wouldn't call them a slam band.

[@AggressiveTendencies]

Agreed. There are slam parts, but they aren't a full-on slam band.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Dying fetus is American death metal, plain and simple

[@N3rdburgring]

They are undoubtedly of the death metal genre. Them using slams here and there does not make them slam hahaha. Genre wise they fall under the same category as cannibal corpse as far as I'm concerned

[@thomastorrez6298]

Slam death my opinoin

[@nejoh713]

Dying fetus is brutal deathmetal. Not pure slam.

[@Rebornthrudoom]

Cool story...... First time I saw Dying Fetus was with Waking The Cadaver, The Forest Gump Mile High Marathon and others. I saw Trey outside and i said "DUDE, PLEASE TELL ME YOURE GOING TO PLAY JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE TONIGHT!! THATS MY SONG!" and he was like "AHHH man i don't think we are...." and i told him how awesome he was and thanked him for comin through. Dying Fetus finally takes the stage, first song: Justifiable Homicide. That man knows how to get the most out of his fans hahahaha

[@Rebornthrudoom]

I'll never forget that shit.

[@eightosaurusspelunk1598]

Rebornthrudoom dude that is truly fucking awesome. Great memory!

[@Bitchfinder_General]

Waking the cadaver. Yuck!

[@fullmetalmedia4877]

Guy seems totally cool. Long live Dying Fetus!!! 🤘🏼

[@dyingfetus2483]

Thanx

[@jakejortles3485]

Next time im at work im gonna say “im gonna fetus grind this out”

[@ChronicBreakdown]

Pat Mcgroin lol

[@mgt1635]

Pat Mcgroin another day at the office for a metalhead lol

[@mcpixel8781]

Late. Good profile pic tho. Old soul are great

[@noodle845]

3:07 "john John john John"

[@AggressiveTendencies]

gph.is/1c5eNvP

[@emperoremesis9494]

I love Trey so much

[@DJOHNRICKSHOW]

he is a cool guy that you can approach about metal question.

[@AggressiveTendencies]

He really is a cool guy!

[@markphillips4836]

Probably my favourite drummer.

[@Wyatth58]

He reminds me of Alex Webster. Seems like a nice dude, knowledgeable and passionate about his craft. Oh yeah, and a fucking madman on his kit.

[@EXTREEEEEEEEEME]

Interesting. I love slams and breakdowns...espcially the ones Dying Fetus does. Pretty blue eyes on Trey lol. Havent seen the new video until now....love that guitar twirl Johns doin. and speaking of "jun" riffs, end of Homicidal Retribution, "die again, as I cut and mutilate" is the best jun riff Ive ever heard.

[@AggressiveTendencies]

JUN JUN JUN JUN!

[@Luis61soriano]

DYING FETUS is the ultimate death metal band

[@joebuczkowski8605]

I like the way he explains and described this. And the fact that he fucking kills drums.

[@boss-kf5zv]

gonna see them live tomorrow

[@AggressiveTendencies]

Let us know how it is!

[@BurnTheNuance]

How'd it go man? I've seen them four times now and they're easily one of my favorite artists to see. I am a Trey fanboy (I know, I know), and really like that he will sign snare heads, and date them and then sell them at the merch. I could have got a run of the mill Fetus shirt, or for the same price buy something he used the night before that he signed (also had the set list for this last year's Summer Slaughter). I always stand in the front at shows too and he noticed me because some kids behind me asked what they're set list was and I was showing them. Really good dude. Kinda off topic, but I also ended up with one of John's sticks from Origin (went with my stick/pic collection from artists I dig).Epic night. Hope it went well for you \m/

[@jordandufault9558]

Just saw them friday great fucking show as always

[@roosolini7105]

seeing them in two weeks

[@vigilhammer]

Yes Sir. preach it!!! No wonder this guy is one of the most talented drummers alive today!!!

[@adrianalkema4466]

You guys should interview some members from slam bands like abominable putridity, kraanium, embryectomy etc. Maybe some beat down hardcore band members too like bodybag, no zodiac, and knocked loose

[@AggressiveTendencies]

Hey thanks! I would love to interview those bands and they're definitely on my list. Soon!

[@nashthrashington9749]

Here's how I see it. Traditional breakdowns: common in thrash, groove, old school death metal, and even nu metal. Think of the slow part in War Ensemble by Slayer, or the part with spaced out riffs in 5 Minutes Alone by Pantera. These typically are not the types of breakdowns people complain about. Core breakdowns: common in metalcore and deathcore. These are the chug chug chug riffs. Listen to The End of Heartache by Killswitch Engage, or You Only Live Once by Suicide Silence. There isn't just one part, there are breakdowns in the entire song, especially with deathcore since there's no melodic chorus like metalcore has. I love deathcore but I can see why people get tired of the same guitar chugging over and over. Then there's slams: Listen to From Womb to Waste by Dying Fetus or Prey by Benighted. What I like about Prey particularly is that instead of slowing down at the "breakdown section" they speed up. I don't think a breakdown is always the slowdown part. Once again in slam death metal, the slams are throughout the song rather than just one part. Slams use multiple notes and create a groovy rhythm rather than just chugging. There are also bands like Ingested which blend deathcore and slam together so I can see why some people get confused.

[@sunandonag]

Wow bro so much knowledge. I bow down to you for your Rock/Metal knowledge

[@lordjake2350]

Ik Ingested and Exsternation Dismemberment

[@michael-tx8rw]

Trey's the man

[@n.riffer]

in my opinion... ur drumskills are fucking sick! I really like the recordings! Its very clean and have no ghostnotes in it... A blast for the ears :) Saw you guys the first time with Hatebreed on Eastermonday in Switzerland. Thank to the whole DyingFetusband for the passion and staying real to Death Metal. \m/

[@ivangushkov3651]

I think of a breakdown in its traditional definition. If there is a part where the song slows down and gets heavier it is a breakdown. I dont really see the need to differentiate between a slam and a breakdown, it serves the same purpose :P

[@markmental6665]

very well said, the way the breakdown is being played shouldn't make it not a breakdown

[@nathaniellebaron4630]

It does not 'serve the same purpose' he defined both terms as separate entities.

[@joshs.5384]

The "traditional definition" is exactly what he said it was. "Breakdown" has been a term used in music for decades, and it only started to mean "heavy chuggy riffs" in the 2000's. Also, even today, it only really means that in metal music, if you talked about a "breakdown" with a jazz/folk/blues/gospel/whatever band, they'd all go with the definition Trey uses in this video.

[@Alannaki4970]

Well said on all notes!

[@Npitchannel]

Slam riff is cool. Groovy.

[@ryoshamo]

nailed it

[@AggressiveTendencies]

I loved his response! Very cool way to explain it.

[@SirNippletonMcSugarteets]

This guy is talking about shit that matters 🙌

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

0:30 *KZbin captions:* Slams, I dub thee 'John Patterns'.

[@aaron-reed8496]

Dude trey is the coolest

[@actioncross257]

Saw these guys last night. Absolutely amazing show. So intense.

[@JohnDoe-wy5kh]

Trey is awesome

[@AUTOPSY666]

Saw him in TORTURED in 1998 in Maryland.

[@AggressiveTendencies]

That's old school. You from there? If so how many times have you seen Dying Fetus/what was the best?

[@SirNippletonMcSugarteets]

This is fantastic advice for heavy song writing

[@cvlt99]

Fucking Trey. you're so smart!

[@goremall4330]

Fucking brilliant drummer

[@574R5CR34M]

Long live Dying Fetus.

[@ashoridzii4738]

This guy is fucking cool.

[@AggressiveTendencies]

He's super nice!

[@matthewdmiller4335]

Dude reign supreme had gnarly slams through and through so tight as fuck

[@ProjectCreativityGuy96]

A breakdown, is like when you hear your favourite part in a Brutal song. For me, I love my metal sick and heavy. Only my taste of music can describe that, not my words!!! \m/

[@tormentor2686]

Trey is the shit!

[@AggressiveTendencies]

This is the truth!

[@WallSmath44]

best explanation

[@manny75586]

The label I'd use for Dying Fetus is a "kick ass heavy as fuck band". That's the genre I dig the most.

[@CyberLord5G]

I met Trey once. Laid back cool dude

[@zerazara]

I like Dying Fetus, because they DON`T sound like some generic Deathcore band. He should put aside all that Slam Breakdown stuff. Dying Fetus is awesome because they are a super talented Trio that`s been around since early 90s and still make some of the best brutal and techie "Death Metal" there is these days.

[@hectorvegasduque2234]

They don't sound like deathcore bands because theyre not deathcore

[@zerazara]

You are kinda just repeating my arguments. Both Death and Deathcore can have significsnt slam elements to them. But i prefer the Death bands like Dying Fetus, because many of the DeatCore bands can appear a bit bland at most times. (All sound the same, no solos etc..)

[@metalswifty23]

@@zerazara There are tonnes of deathcore bands who use solos, and there's plenty of variation between bands. Sure, there's a generic part to the genre that all sound like old Suicide Silence or Chelsea Grin, but for every one of those, there's a Shadow of Intent.

[@zerazara]

@@metalswifty23 Well there are mega-tonns of Deathcore bands that are very generic as well. But I agree, i enjoy deathcore bands as well. But it sometimes feels a bit "empty" compared to the "Metal" genre.

[@LunyMilky]

Cool :') \m/

[@thelombaxsystemtv7492]

I can polka dance to DF! Way too brutal that!!!!!!!

[@dillonwong3646]

LONG LIVE DYING FUCKING FETUUUUUSSSSSSSS

[@GulliverStrange]

f*cking legend

[@iBhoy951]

cool guy

[@ryang3225]

What’s the song you guys played at 1:33?

[@BONESTORM2501]

top band

[@samsami9361]

We all agree that he's very cool and the thing is that this type of vision of him musically is very nerdy..i like cool and nerdy combined and it's defenitly rare to see it outside the metal world.

[@Derek_Reynolds]

What was the song they played a clip of with live footage?

[@xxsebastianblackxx]

Wrong One To Fuck With, the official video

[@rangerbaez7982]

I NEED SOME INTERNAL BLEEDING IS LITTTTTT

[@Dufus_Puncher]

Fuckin A man... Fuckin A...

[@James_765]

Hmm

[@lordjake2350]

Slam is so much heavier lows

[@Npitchannel]

Slam is guitar. Breakdowns is drum beat.

[@luls9000]

I kinda hate songs that uses a LOT of slams or breakdowns or djent:ing or whatever this types of things are called. I need some melody along with the rhythmic part, for example a slam is fine with some sweep picking or guitar solo over it, but when the song is mostly rhythmic; like the Meshuggah songs I've heard, it just gets too boring.

[@nathaniellebaron4630]

meh they are called riffs dude...

[@luls9000]

I'm pretty sure a riff can be repetitions of a sequence with varying notes, like 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4, which means it has melody. What I don't like is the 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 kind of stuff. Of course not all slams or whatever is just playing a single note, but there are a lot of them that use far less notes than what I usually like.

[@ramo2165]

I tend to agree. There has to be some kind of contrast. Otherwise the song can get very redundant. I also feel the same about stuff that is fast all the way through. Or, really it could be anything that is played too much.

[@maxvandijk2001]

Great band but my favorite are still the older albums

[@billhicks7157]

Fuck yea, BDM

[@HucaPuca]

Breakdown for me is not a breakdown of instruments, but a breakdown in melody, much like a drop or break in other genres.

[@TheCreedGames1]

I've never thought of it that way. But yes, breakdowns are pretty much a cheat. But it's the sickest cheat you can use.

[@mowkforthecrew]

Jeng jeng jeng is the law.

[@rangerbaez7982]

deathcore sucks

[@Vinhnguyen-ie1vj]

Yeah u suck

[@G0rilla2829]

Why have I read breakdowns vs islams ? And why did it take me until the end of the video to figure out that it was slams and not islams ?

[@BurnTheNuance]

Because you're not that bright?

[@G0rilla2829]

BurnThePope fair enough

[@KristEvans]

He looks like Kurt Cobain

[@walpurgisnacht9234]

See.... Deathcore gets alot of hate it doesn't deserve.

[@Igor-ug1uo]

A crappy deathcore band writing a song: "Alright, now we need to put a solo in this part" "But I can't play solos!" "Ok, just put a breakdown there then"

[@klauzy-14]

Huh

[@hasyimsyarif6453]

4 dislikes from deathcore fans

[@deathmonger420]

Eh?

[@aalex2606]

He's cool but their last album sounds like kiddys slam shit.

[@COMRAYDEVITO]

What

[@blackcraft3465]

Jimmy Miller are you slow?

[@COMRAYDEVITO]

Who

[@rydzu3840]

wat

[@Hheretic]

What Dying Fetus song is this? If it was a lil' longer! 😠 F___!

[@xeverettx2564]

Dying Fetus is just a second wave Death Metal band. Slam isn’t a thing adding core to death is stupid. That’s just third wave death metal played really watered down by scenester kids. You add “core” to a band because they are a hardcore band from the hardcore scene that adds some elements of other genres like metal. For example All Out War is a hardcore band and they use some metal elements. As I Lay Dying not a metalcore band just a metal band who may have some similar bits here and there. Now that brings us to the adding core to death. It doesn’t make sense if you know where the term metalcore comes from and what it actually means. Suicide Silence not a hardcore band with death elements just a shitty second wave death metal band playing shitty death metal so drop the fucking word core out of it. So by default you drop the term Slam. A slam part is just a mosh part in a hardcore song by a hardcore band so call it slam call it mosh call it breakdown call it a dance part but for fucks sake stop using SLAM as a genre of sorts. God take a history lesson on DIY music starting in the mid 70’s and listen to some old stuff learn about the progressions and the scenes and genres and one maybe you’ll understand and stop making up shitty terms for stuff that doesn’t exsist and two maybe you’ll start making some better music because of your broadened knowledge. :DISCLAIMER: this comment is supposed to be a cut on the maker of this video but a lesson to the 14-28 year old scenesters who listened to bad shit and throw these terms around in their echo chambers in turn creating shitty bands. Go buy Bad Brains album or agnostic front, or Carcass, or Converge pre Jane for era, or Integrity, or Slapshot, or Burzum, or Darkthrone, or Earth Crisis, or Prayer for Cleansing!!!! Just go digging back for some cool shit!!! LYLAS

[@REEEEEEEEEEEE0]

Ok, boomer