The Fabulous Fashion of the Minoan Civilization

[@Poldovico]

There is little evidence of practical weaponry related to the Minoan civilization because they would mostly fight with their Stands.

[@FakeSugarVillain]

Greeks took a look at the island and saw a minoan young lad punching a shark and they were like "nope"

[@AyubuKK]

😂

[@allendepacheco3419]

@jake dominguez Yes to give their kids stands if they were not born with them.

[@isaaksparks2825]

Steel King Benjamin oooo

[@curtisshaw1370]

@jake dominguez And the Cretans were renowned as archers well into the Roman Empire often serving in that role as auxiliaries. During the Second Punic War, King Hiero II sent Rome a thousand Cretans mercenaries, starting a long relationship.

[@thesatsumonster]

“Behold: a typical Minoan couple” They look like they could beat me up

[@cahallo5964]

Every ancient could beat you up probably cuz even the females lifted weights on a regular basis. Picture your grandma lifting your washing machine on her shoulders or something

[@bentomai5071]

I once stopped a car with my thighs

[@MadAlienArt]

They look like they'd turn to stone and sleep a lot

[@williamjordan5554]

@@cahallo5964 They were usually shorter and lighter, actually.

[@williamjordan5554]

@Stephen Murphy Who pissed in your cereal, smegma boy?

[@mariepanettieri2990]

My history teacher in high school actually did her phd on Minoan culture. We went on a school trip to Crete and visited all the main archeological sites on the island. She started tearing up when we went to Malia, which is a huge city mostly underground; she spent 6 months there in the 80's participating to the dig of the site. She's an expert in Minoan culture, and can read linear b. Her passion for this culture is incredible, and she really passed it down to most of us on the trip. She goes to Crete twice a year since her stay, and took her engagement photos on a gorgeous beach right near Malia where she took us after the visit. This was one of the best trips I've ever taken. She would correct tour guides nearby who were spitting crap to their groups. This lady is a legend.

[@vinie.-z.3565]

A real life Mrs. Frizzle

[@Nyctophora]

I wish I could meet her!

[@atomsmasha]

That's an awesome story. She sounds amazing.

[@hawhafunnyraffs5568]

But did she have a hypothesis on what happened to their culture and their State?

[@mariepanettieri2990]

@@hawhafunnyraffs5568 Great question! She has concluded that according to the lack of historical reports and data, nobody knows! Not even her! But she thinks they merged into Ancient Greek culture over a period of time where we just don't have enough information to know for sure! Being inquisitive is the best quality of a student for her, she would like you :)

[@Randomdudefromtheinternet]

Imagine that Minoans lasted 'til this day, when a nude scene needed censorship, they'll just censor the ankles lmao

[@woodlefoof2]

Sign my toes!

[@pixelmace1423]

Can’t show those on television!

[@digge2210]

You forgot Chringedom

[@AyubuKK]

Minoans. The ancient Greeks of the ancient Greeks.

[@arcotroll8530]

Exactly. Though as a Greek myself I can attest to the fact that they were not technically "Greek" since they predate the migration of the Achaeans and other early Greek tribes in the region. However, they are still part of Greek history and their culture definitely influenced the later Geometric and Classic Greek culture, especially in Crete of course.

[@olbiomoiros]

Arco Troll χαιρετίσματα από τη Λευκωσία!!!

[@arcotroll8530]

@@olbiomoiros Χαιρετίσματα και από δω.

[@arcotroll8530]

@Oggatha Christie The Mycenaeans are considered one of the earliest Greek Ethnicities though. Also please refrain from referring to Asia-Minor as "Ancient Turkey". The Turks would not exist yet as even a concept for a few thousand years more at that point.

[@Teutius]

That’s funny, to the Greeks, Minoans must have been ancient history

[@Arachnes_Corner]

As someone who's never seen JoJo, I assumed that the thumbnail was official art.

[@siriusk1453]

Despite knowing Jojo, I didn't expect that is a Jojo reference

[@bluesira]

It practically could be!

[@ammagon4519]

I saw the thumbnail and I thought it was another on of Araki's weird ass arts.

[@gustavfrye2736]

IT IS

[@myrmesuwu607]

Recognized the artstyle but didn't thought it was jojo since I've seen it(didn't read the manga tho but I've seen the characters)

[@hennaoctopus]

Imagine future scientists finding a copy of kingdom hearts, and trying to piece together our culture from that

[@indigo-streak9912]

😂 They'd be clueless 😂😂

[@socratesghost1924]

they all worshiped this mouse god it would seem lol

[@timothymclean]

Realistically, they'd have more than a single game stored on a fragile digital disc to reconstruct our entire civilization. If nothing else, they'd have Final Fantasy.

[@AxeBearWhoCares]

Well, modern societies are much better at recording things than our ancestors, so unless something utterly catastrophic happens that destroys most of the records all over the world, they’d probably know what the game is and other general aspects of our societies.

[@AxeBearWhoCares]

By the way, that’s not to say that they didn’t keep records, though their way of doing so was weird and some of the historians at the time often tried to over-dramatize the events. But they also had catastrophic things happen, like the burning of library of Alexandria.

[@danaekolyva3309]

Here's an interesting mythology fact: Agamemnon's mother was actually a Minoan princess - Aerope, granddaughter of Minos. She married king Atreus (or, according to other versions, Pleisthenes) of Mycenae and gave birth to two sons, Agamemnon and Menelaus (possibly also a daughter named Anaxibia). I learned this recently while looking into the genealogy of the House of Atreus and it made me wonder whether or not Agamemnon's relation to Minos could be referencing the Mycenaeans' relation to the Minoans.

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

Ah yes the House of Atreus or just the whole Tantalid family, one of the most twisted families to ever exist in tradition or fiction, actually surprised how well things went for Menelaus given in comparison to almost all the rest of his clan.

[@AudoricArt]

I apperciate that you actually comissioned that jojo art. giving the artist community some love!

[@Foervraengd]

Dori C trey was a great client to work with! :)

[@AudoricArt]

@@Foervraengd And you did a stellar job!

[@ramenfiend]

@@Foervraengd big respect for the art. So much talent! Keep it up and never give it up🙌

[@TREYtheExplainer]

@@Foervraengd Aww ^^ thank you! Right back at yah ;)

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@TREYtheExplainer should of gotten a Musician who's also a huge Jojo fan to compose the Minoan's theme.

[@mikajacobsen860]

Turns out Jojo's references are so ubiquitous they predate the series by about 5000 years

[@DarshanBhambhani]

Mika Jacobsen “predate” lol, Araki is a 7000 years old vampire, he started the culture

[@Princess2Warrior]

@@DarshanBhambhani *A Pillarman?*

[@peterkhew7414]

Yare yare daze...

[@johntrofin97]

Yare Yare..

[@sloppyoyster5779]

Araik came before Adam

[@Alexyahoo10]

I can’t believe I watched a history lesson just because of a Jojo based drawing... nice!

[@a_clumsy_artist5535]

It sometimes be like that...

[@OrangeUtan115]

I didnt even noticed the art style until he pointed it out

[@Skiivin]

I can’t believe I watched a history lesson with a Jojo drawing as the thumbnail.

[@khantt5011]

same 🤣

[@aeronshorts325]

Me to

[@yourlifeisagreatstory]

*It’s funny to think about that thousands of years ago, there was a couple arguing:* “We are late, just wear the colorful one!” “Are you sure my ankles aren’t popping out? Last thing I want is a wardrobe malfunction!” “Oh my Gods! You’re fine, let’s go! All the good sitting rocks are going to be taken m, I can never hear from the back!”

[@phlogios]

Crete 5000 years ago: Invents plumbing Crete 2020: "Don't flush toilet paper, our plumbing can't handle it"

[@Jason-iz6ob]

Sad because it’s true.

[@giannarosize]

I feel attacked

[@Rohi727]

Maybe it's time to think about upgrading their plumbing.

[@alphariusfuze8089]

D:

[@playmsbk]

What kind of savage disposes of toilet paper in the toilet though? Have some culture.

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

trey: maybe they worked like heraldry or had a religious function, we just don't know minoan women: haha dolphin go splish splash

[@mino_toreador]

Kujo Jotaro is interested.

[@GilgameshEthics]

I lul'd

[@hedgehog3180]

@EmperorJuliusCaesar I mean the thing is "religious purpose" is such a broad category. Like for example someone today wearing a cross necklace, that is technically for religious reasons but also the person is most likely just wearing it as a nice piece of jewelry. The secret is that "ritual purpose" can cover literally anything because anything can be called a ritual.

[@HosCreates]

or- fancy apron !

[@seanconnaughton8024]

People living in other places: "How could they dress like that?? Those cretins!" People living on crete: "yes"

[@philippa4650]

@Chicken Tortilla XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA took me a sec😂

[@Kskd-cl]

LMAO

[@randallmokjialung3592]

haha get it cretins

[@b43xoit]

Cretans, not cretins.

[@pursuitsoflife.6119]

@@philippa4650 ayyyy that's a Greek reply

[@Fishfrenchfry]

I did my art thesis on the Minoan culture and I’m a huge Jojo fan, this video is like candy to me. Super well researched, the art is fabulous too

[@autofox1744]

Greeks, seeing JoJo: Is this a Minoan reference?

[@subbot4417]

Lmao

[@BertContr0l]

Lol

[@Unbottled.Water23]

My stand Purple Minoa

[@crosshant4596]

Not gonna loe I thought this was a JoJo video

[@rayowls4228]

I clicked on it thinking it had something to do with jojo ngl

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

"Show me your ankles!" - Ancient Crete dude.

[@elenapopovic2527]

The way me and my new evil-eye anklet would have caused a giant scandal but they wouldnt have reacted to my titties being out. I cackle!

[@shoeberrypie]

Having the titties on full display was a sure-fire way for women to take responsibility for their bodies keep their status and power by not being fat. Why haven’t we done this yet? Modern problems require Minoan solutions

[@gremlinwithgun7527]

That phrase sounds like something a JJBA character would actually say

[@Nefylym]

.... mardi gras must have been weird...

[@elenapopovic2527]

@Ismael Barrera ... thank you?

[@Irreverent_bob]

If that’s really what their fashion is like, imagine how their stands would look, and what their incredibly specific abilities are

[@Neenerella333]

Sorry to be dense, what are the "stands" people are mentioning here? Just came for the history.

[@Irreverent_bob]

Dineen Serpa the art in the thumbnail is a reference to a comic series called “jojos bizarre adventure”, known for its flamboyant fashion and character poses. In the series, the characters have abilities called stands. Trey is a fan of the series

[@giovannirabinal2921]

It would look like the stand "In a silent way"

[@typea5426]

@Jo Jo your name is JoJo

[@cjlooklin1914]

Lol, I'm just imagining a minoan women with the stand Peekaboo. Every time she reveals here ankles you bust a nut. Truly a crippling ability 😖

[@patreekotime4578]

Its worth noting that Evan's reconstructions of Minoan artwork are increibly speculative. You can see in most of the images of the murals that actually only very small chips of the frescos survived and most of those were found buried on the ground, so even their placements on walls and ceilings is speculative as well. Evan's process of unearthing and "restoring" these fragments basically has made it impossible for later researchers to gather new evidence. Are the works of Minoan artists incredibly Art Deco-like, or was the Art Deco craze of the time an influence on Evan's reconstructions? Also, the color difference in depictions of men and women is also common to Egyptian art and is likely just a stylization rather an indication of "staying indoors". The color difference may even be related to the clothing difference: virtually naked men are going to tan far more easily than women in long gowns with sleeves... it is even possible that the clothing choices helped reinforce a beauty standard where men are tanned and women arent, rather than indicating a rigid division of labor. These same murals also often show women in natural settings outdoors. Although again, those reconstructions are often incredibly speculative.

[@petrus9067]

Even if the differing skin tone is more of a natural thing because of their clothes (and definetely stylistically exagerated) it's still subconsciously known that the more pale you are probably the more you can stay indoors, and thus less you need to work. So you are a noble, etc. Its like how very long nails were a sign of richness in east asia, since it means you dont need to do manual labor

[@ishill85]

skin lighteners are a very common type of makeup, and the oldest known to have been used, by the egyptians. that the art of these cultures may have depicted woman in an idealized way i think is also a factor that people need to consider.

[@eh1702]

No, there are enough original bits and also enough uncovered since Evans’s time to show that they did indeed have this style. And did it never occur to you that European art & clothing fashions were often based on the art and clothing that archaeologists and explorers illustrated or brought back? The regency period’s drapey dresses, smoking-jackets, dressing-gowns and turbans. The late 19th century architecture and decor (Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Frank Lloyd Wright) separately influenced by Japanese trade. The 1970s ceramics highly influenced by the astonishing Cucteni-Trypillian painted pottery (though mostly not able to emulate its complex shapes).

[@christiangraf1178]

@@eh1702 Interestingly you can even see differences in skin colour based on the peoples ages, its the same with hairstyles. Theres so much we dont know yet but it is for sure more complicated than we imagine right now. Fun Fact: The fresco of the blue boy that is shown at 2:36 is today correctly reconstructed as a monkey, a very typical depiction. Blue seems to haven been their version of gray.

[@LilFeralGangrel]

I mean women tend to be paler then men, one of the first things that happened when I went on t-blockerd and estrogen is that my skin became thinner, softer and paler.

[@amatsu-ryu4067]

Let's see... -Traveling to Egypt -Scantily clad men with long hair -dolphins Yep, this civilization was one big JoJo reference.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

The minoans were actually time travelers, who traveled back in time to plant jojo references in early history for the meme.

[@deadaccount5427]

@Hermon the great OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

[@Joshua_N-A]

Ayayayaya

[@igorvoloshin3406]

Hmmm, I'd suspect there is much simplier explanation: the Jojo ranobe author just googled and read wiki about Minoans...

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@igorvoloshin3406 No. You are wrong.

[@mermanhellville]

The thumbnail alone got me hyped! Minoans seem pretty chill. Even looking at the poses and expressions especially of women, not just the fashion, there is such a striking difference between Minoan and classic Greek art. The Greek women are always pretty static and never ever smile. Minoan women in art are so often seen enjoying themselves, dancing and smiling.

[@spinelcanonicallylistensto3737]

Its jojo

[@tsopmocful1958]

An even greater contrast with the contemporary Egyptian and Mesopotamian art of the time.

[@londons953]

You make a really good point.

[@skipskip342]

"Show me them ankles, woman" -Some pillarmen dude, maybe, i don't know

[@joinme5560]

Can you imagine Kars saying that? *I DO*

[@proffesionalweredog7426]

nah he'd knock the woman out and play her legs like a guitar

[@VeronicaGonzalez-is3fk]

@@joinme5560 nah he'd use her lags as a guitar

[@fleur5782]

@@VeronicaGonzalez-is3fk na they'd enter a fight and the winner would get to take the loser home to play with them legs

[@BeedrillEnjoyer]

@@VeronicaGonzalez-is3fk WING WING HEHE WIN WIN WIN WIN. - Kars

[@bruhmoment8324]

"I'm bilingual" "wow what do you speak" LINEAR A

[@justacommentercommenting]

don't mined me I'm just here to inform you your comment is doing well.

[@g4fly4ever8]

A historian wet dream is to find someone like that

[@NotVeryRandomDude]

Little known fact: The Minoans were the Hamon tribe that Kars talked about.

[@nickbiaz9070]

Nope they were the pillarmen

[@oshawottice]

@@nickbiaz9070 so the hamon tribe are the pillarmen!?!?!?!?!?

[@nickbiaz9070]

oshawottice the Minoans are the pillarmen

[@oshawottice]

@@nickbiaz9070 k thx

[@april5054]

You say this is a fact... Does this have evidence? I'd absolutely love it if this was confirmed.

[@stevenb9129]

Trey's Bizarre Adventure

[@merrittanimation7721]

Part 1: Dinosaur Blood.

[@pietaricollander672]

Part 2: Cryptid Tendency

[@UnkleDunklee]

Part 3: Christian crusaders

[@whathell6t]

@Father Enrico Pucci Minoans are Mazinger Z turf.

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

As a Cretan, today I learned that our entire culture in ancient times was a jojo reference

[@titansjojo1445]

The Jojo's Bizarre Adventure civilization? *Sees palace walls full of dolphin art* Yeah it checks out.

[@k_tess]

Finally found you! I knew somebody was gonna make a Jojo reference.

[@old_boy9030]

@@k_tess he beat me to it. The second I saw the thumbnail my brain shot to the Pillar Men

[@OMartinez91]

Gonna be honest, I clicked on the video because it looked like JoJo art

[@ucnguyen6375]

I thought they are Sandman and his sister

[@mollytheyorkie-poo7514]

The guy on the right be Risotto Nero posing

[@antonispangalos]

Just to make everyone a bit happier, the minoans didnt disappear at all. The people of the Lassithi plateau in Crete, apparently, have the biggest consetration of Minoan DNA in them, basicaly making them somewhat proved descendants of that ancient civilization. Also in case you didn't know, the Minoans are named in the Iliad as Eteocretans, (the true Cretans) and they had a powerfull pressense on the island, till at least the Roman Age, with their city-states of Dreros and Pressos, in which big samples of their language has been uncovered, Eteocretan, which was basicaly the minoan language, but with greek letters.

[@Oizzy]

Nearly spat my coffee when you dropped Mirres name, it's and old friend of mine and we studied Comics & Sequential Arts at university together. Didn’t expect to see Mirres work on one of my favourite KZbin channels : )

[@Foervraengd]

Guy Incognito might be good to know I go by they/them pronouns now ;)

[@kingndanorth]

How dare you call her a she!

[@Baby_Dinosaur323]

Foervraengd you’re an incredible artist!

[@KirbyComicsVids]

Geo Geo stfu

[@salomao1168]

@@GeoHdReal No u

[@kasinokaiser1319]

STAND MASTER: King Minos STAND NAME: [Minotaur]

[@Ramsey276one]

... That's a FABULOUS BU... -Typical last words

[@AngraMainiiu]

That's the copyright name! It's actually [Midas Touch]

[@krishnamurti2436]

@@AngraMainiiu lmao

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer bruh

[@FireTurtle157]

King Minos uses Golden Experience

[@miriamlogan3733]

5:49 All of the writings are explanations of how King Crimson works. Edit: apparently they've started to crack Linear A, so we'll finally be able to reach the truth.

[@ot4kon]

it just works.

[@thetreatment498]

UNDERATED

[@kevinclass2010]

The minoans are still alive, they have just skipped time for 3 thousand years before eventually springing back into reality

[@josephmontanaro2350]

I want to read about this cracking of linear A, where would I read about this, I'm excited to have more history to study (comeing from someone who felt a deep loss when they ran out of Homer's epics knowing he wrote more but they were lost to time)

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

Wait, for real!?!?!!

[@OVTraveller]

To all of those who have been to Crete, you will recall that in the summer months the winds come mainly from the north, so leaving Crete the merchant navies would go south to the Lydian coast and swing left to Egypt. Using the seasonal wind variations, they and all the other traders would be able to circulate the eastern Mediterranean. European traders in the fourteenth and later ages quickly learned these world wide wind patterns from which we still know the names of the various ‘ trade’ winds’. Sadly, maps with Minoan,Mycenaean and Cypriot trade linkages do not seem to understand these basic principles.

[@freshhands9461]

Sorry, did not check wind directions on my trip :D However, I do remember the highlands smelling of eucalyptus after a late summer rain. Beautiful land, no wonder they were aesthetes of the highest caliber.

[@pbasswil]

Just so we're clear: Linear A isn't a language; it's the writing system the Minoans used to record their language. Many writing systems can be used to record multiple languages - e.g., the Roman alphabet that we anglophones, and most Western European peoples, use to write.

[@sauceru99]

So maybe that clay disc was them writing down their alphabet in it... I mean, not impossible. Right?

[@aokiaoki4238]

Roman alphabet is actually the Cymean Greek

[@LuckLady1991]

I was interested in this because it involved 3 of my favorite things. 1. Ancient History 2. Fashion 3. It had a JoJo/JJBA styled drawing

[@customsongmaker]

4. Protection money

[@coolpochita9943]

Same

[@hillietyfae]

Same.

[@saywhat7077]

YES

[@samdal420]

Same

[@imreplyingtothiscomment2378]

Not gonna lie before the downfall it's seems like a cool ass place to time travel to lol

[@ayyyzma2937]

This is what I was thinking the whole time

[@callusklaus2413]

If you weren't poor maybe, what he said about the housing for non royalty deff made me yikes

[@RevengeOfTheTuna]

Human sacrifice ? :)

[@gtassa01]

@@callusklaus2413 dude you can say that about any time, including now

[@spicybeast1018]

Honestly though. The entire time i’m just thinking of a scenario where I somehow time travel to the Minoan Period before their downfall. How would they react to seeing me, a blond long haired chubby 17 year old guy? Would they be kind and allow me to take refuge with them, or would I be a prisoner of sorts. That and a million other questions. It’s all so fascinating to me.

[@jmoralesh]

For me, the minoan and assyrian culture/art, are by far the most fascinating ones within the bronze age. I just can't decide between The Bull's Jump fresco and Ashurbanipal's palace sculptures.

[@freshhands9461]

You seem to have great taste in art :D Excellent choices!

[@theguystealingyourinternet3712]

* looks at thumbnail * how _bizarre_

[@histori6259]

Nice pfp

[@StiggusRattus]

Why do I hear piano music

[@theguystealingyourinternet3712]

@@histori6259 ah, a fellow person of culture I see

[@o.602]

Lmao thats what i was thinking

[@quinnimon]

Kore wa Kimyo Da.

[@BlakeComer06]

Trey the explainer then: guys its paleo profile time Trey the explainer now: look at this clothing

[@sierrajohnson717]

Fashion dinosaurs?

[@BlakeComer06]

@@sierrajohnson717 hmmm

[@TheXell]

Stone Ocean next year, so we'll probably get SBR in 2024.

[@Kalleosini]

explain more things to me daddy

[@pedrosampaio7349]

@Drake Petty Jotarosaurus Joestariens

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

*history* Now featuring: An entire society of pillar men, but without the sun weakness.

[@paulosergioribeiro7200]

Minoans : the Ultimate Life Forms.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@paulosergioribeiro7200 *Ay ay ay aayy*

[@soul4880]

That's illegal.

[@zecoprimalpride]

better seen the ancient libyans they werent white as depected they were the real pillar men, their art is highly referenced in jojo i have posted about in reddit and amino

[@viktorramstrom3744]

The thumbnail looked like the pillar men in the Jojolion art style.

[@MsKariSmith]

Hands down this is absolutely my favorite ancient culture.

[@inmezzoallonde7196]

Etruscans are better. SVAL RASNAL! RASNELE!

[@shimmerite_ua]

Ahh yes, minoan fashion... Those illustrations from history books left quite an impression on teenager me. Really takes me back

[@csweezey18]

You f*pped to an ancient culture, didn't you? You did, DIDN'T YOU!?!?!?

[@garethbaus5471]

Same here.

[@XanthusPictures]

@@csweezey18 ...you haven't?

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

@@csweezey18 You don't?

[@rainpooper7088]

And that’s why Minoan fashion isn’t around anymore.

[@asriellian]

The Minoans were such a interesting people/culture. Man I hope we can one day decipher all Linear A and B

[@mkelkar1]

Linear B is Greek. A has not been deciphered. Linguistic, textual, genetic and archaeological evidence for the Out of India Theory of Indo European Languages Baghpat Chariots, Weapons and the Horse in the Harappan Civilization - Dr. BK Manjul kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIvZfKOgn7mjnck Findings from the latest genetic study conducted by ASI in collaboration withe Reich Lab at Harvard using the ancient DNA from Rakhigarhi slides at 29:00 mark kzbin.info/www/bejne/eprSZHimZdOfrJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGW6d55mnqp-a80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGGvmGSYlJ2Ba5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6ispmaaitigqrs Here are the tribes that spread the Indo European languages from South Asia to West Asia, Central Asia and to Europe Avestan) Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Sairima (Śimyu), Dahi (Dāsa). NE Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Nuristani/Piśācin (Viṣāṇin). Pakhtoonistan (NW Pakistan), South Afghanistan: Iranian: Pakhtoon/Pashtu (Paktha). Baluchistan (SW Pakistan), SE Iran: Iranian: Bolan/Baluchi (Bhalāna). NE Iran: Iranian: Parthian/Parthava (Pṛthu/Pārthava). SW Iran: Iranian: Parsua/Persian (Parśu/Parśava). NW Iran: Iranian: Madai/Mede (Madra). Uzbekistan: Iranian: Khiva/Khwarezmian (Śiva). W. Turkmenistan: Iranian: Dahae (Dāsa). Ukraine, S, Russia: Iranian: Alan (Alina), Sarmatian (Śimyu). Turkey: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Phryge/Phrygian (Bhṛgu). Romania, Bulgaria: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Dacian (Dāsa). Greece: Greek: Hellene (Alina). Albania: Albanian: Sirmio (Śimyu). Shrikant Gangadhar Talageri talageri.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-rigveda-and-aryan-theory-rational_27.html Five waves of Indo-European expansion: a preliminary model (2018) Igor A Tonoyan-Belyayev I. Tonoyan-Belyayev www.academia.edu/36998766/Five_waves_of_Indo-European_expansion_a_preliminary_model_2018_

[@mkelkar1]

@@jdawg1712 English milk, Greek amelgo, Latin mulego, Old Irish melg, Russian moloko, Tocharian malke and so forth. Indus Valley Cultural Elements In Minoan Crete: Was It Due To Migration? www.bibhudevmisra.com/2017/03/indus-valley-cultural-elements-in.html Minoan Monkey Business: Fresco Links Greek Island With Asia www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/minoan-monkey-0013011 Similarities of Minoan and Indus Valley Hydro-Technologies www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/12/4897

[@mkelkar1]

@the Achaean Thank you for these details. They want to bring the so called " Indo Europeans" from Ukraine. Admitting that Linear A is Greek will destroy that idea and make Greek civilization and by extension all Western civilization non European. Please see the links posted above.

[@mkelkar1]

@Radev4 Just go through these links Sir. English milk, Tocharian malke, Greek amelgo, Latin mulgeo, Old Irish mulego, Russian moloko. Some branches were spread on the silver route out of the Indian Subcontinent. Indic rajata Avestan arazata Armenian arstath Latin argentum Celtic argat Greek argyros Anatolian Harki (meaning white) Pointedly Tocharian , Balto Slavic, and Germanic who took the northern route do not have these silver isoglosses. Linguistic, textual, genetic and archaeological evidence for the Out of India Theory of Indo European Languages Baghpat Chariots, Weapons and the Horse in the Harappan Civilization - Dr. BK Manjul kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIvZfKOgn7mjnck Findings from the latest genetic study conducted by ASI in collaboration withe Reich Lab at Harvard using the ancient DNA from Rakhigarhi slides at 29:00 mark kzbin.info/www/bejne/eprSZHimZdOfrJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGW6d55mnqp-a80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGGvmGSYlJ2Ba5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6ispmaaitigqrs Here are the tribes that spread the Indo European languages from South Asia to West Asia, Central Asia and to Europe Avestan) Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Sairima (Śimyu), Dahi (Dāsa). NE Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Nuristani/Piśācin (Viṣāṇin). Pakhtoonistan (NW Pakistan), South Afghanistan: Iranian: Pakhtoon/Pashtu (Paktha). Baluchistan (SW Pakistan), SE Iran: Iranian: Bolan/Baluchi (Bhalāna). NE Iran: Iranian: Parthian/Parthava (Pṛthu/Pārthava). SW Iran: Iranian: Parsua/Persian (Parśu/Parśava). NW Iran: Iranian: Madai/Mede (Madra). Uzbekistan: Iranian: Khiva/Khwarezmian (Śiva). W. Turkmenistan: Iranian: Dahae (Dāsa). Ukraine, S, Russia: Iranian: Alan (Alina), Sarmatian (Śimyu). Turkey: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Phryge/Phrygian (Bhṛgu). Romania, Bulgaria: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Dacian (Dāsa). Greece: Greek: Hellene (Alina). Albania: Albanian: Sirmio (Śimyu). Shrikant Gangadhar Talageri talageri.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-rigveda-and-aryan-theory-rational_27.html Five waves of Indo-European expansion: a preliminary model (2018) Igor A Tonoyan-Belyayev I. Tonoyan-Belyayev www.academia.edu/36998766/Five_waves_of_Indo-European_expansion_a_preliminary_model_2018_

[@asriellian]

These replies are really long

[@eertikrux666]

Trey: *Hoho, you’re watching this? Instead of watching your usual stuffs, you’ve decided to learn archeology?* Viewer: *I can’t see Jojo references without watching it* Trey: *Then feel free to watch as much as you like*

[@thecartoonheathen1659]

This comment is underrated

[@godzilla_fan_13]

Imao

[@krishnamurti2436]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ivyweber4569]

16:57 Oi Josuke, this ancient Minoan figurine looks like you in a dress, ain't that wacky?

[@eupi9098]

Fun fact: some french dude came and "repainted" a lot of the ruins and destroyed a lot of the art that lasted.

[@Alex-qf9ry]

A name and a date maybe ?

[@drsharkboy6568]

He should be Ora Ora’d

[@blitzkrieg2928]

Silver Chariotu'

[@firstlast-sq2gc]

@Nathanael Marco Hartanto Polnareff

[@firstlast-sq2gc]

Everything is a jojo reference my friend! But seriously though, after some rudimentary searching it appears that a settlement on Crete named "Malia" was subject to French excavation, so it's probably related to what OP is talking about

[@-ivan-1378]

This is the closest we have to having the Pillar men in human history.

[@magnificent6668]

Crete was in Europe, and last I heard, still is...

[@johncycal7020]

What about the aztec empire...

[@Max_Le_Groom]

*PILLAR MEN, WAMMU! ! !*

[@foosic1742]

The fact that they were around 4000 years ago makes it even better

[@brandoncorona9312]

JohnCycal that’s what they reminded me of, just more advance for their times both are cool though

[@ytoob_smorhc]

Can we all appreciate how good the JoJo Minoan artwork is?

[@lilaeckitties7524]

I love the minoan female dress! I would love to try to "recreate" it.

[@sammamishq7688]

wen only fans

[@lilaeckitties7524]

@@sammamishq7688 it covers everything.

[@Dan_Kanerva]

@@lilaeckitties7524 you could put a dark piece of whatever fabric thigh-highs are made of in the booba zone , so it can be 99% accurate... but if your booba size is too much i don't see that fabric being able to hold everything in place

[@awts..7954]

@@Dan_Kanerva thank god I'm flat

[@doomguy1247]

@@awts..7954 cupcakes are still cakes

[@kayleighmel4554]

I never knew the Minoans were so interesting, I feel like they often unfortunately get passed off as discount Greeks

[@ailouros24]

it is just that people dont know so much about them, and that they didnt do anything special. like the video says: they got reach through trade and they pretty much stuck to their island. people require a "hook" to get them interested in the ancients. a great war, an exciting legend etc. the greeks love them, i can guaranty that

[@nss1250]

@@ailouros24 I heard that they had a special writing, some say it comes from hieroglyphs, and the language has a relation with the Mycenaean language (very ancient greek) also the civilisation had a great palaces

[@ailouros24]

@@nss1250 their writing style is mentioned in the video. It is called "linear a" and remains untranslatable. They had trade relations with the myceneans. Their civilisations collapsed together at about 1500 bc. The Athenians (a city who rose to power after the collapse) remember them in their most ancient legends.

[@Gabdube]

More like Greeks are discount Minoans.

[@aokiaoki4238]

Minoan where Greeks, when linear A decoded it will be proved

[@MegaRadomstuff]

Went to Crete when I was 16 and didn’t know anything about them but wanted to go to the ruins that were not far from my hotel, then playing AC and watching this makes me realise I really should have annoyed my parents more to go

[@maymay5600]

i see that in some of the art they were white and dark skinned, i'm wondering if they had some mingling with some african tribe with middle east early people

[@kkoron7908]

@@maymay5600 you havent seen a suntanned South European then. We can be really white on the winter and really dark in the Summer (if go like everyday outdoors who most of us dont do that now days expect workers)

[@dwightstjohn6927]

@@kkoron7908 in addition, some skin colour genetics do not dilute with regularity. Buddy is Dutch, as is reddish East Indian way back, and his brother looks like a chosen member of the Blonde Germanic image SS perfection.

[@zakiducky]

What if the Minoan fashion depicted in their artwork was that of their high society, and the average Minoan wore different clothes?

[@gregorypantos2100]

I mean... probably. At least for the women who wore those fancy and (most likely hard to make) attire. But the main design and idea was probably the same. Women of lesser status would wear some more....poor looking variation of those dresses. As for the men they barely wore anything to begin with (at least in the depictions) so yeah. Or maybe both the male and female attire we've seen until now were depictions of high class elites and the common folk were dressed with anything they could get their hands on or whatever they found comfortable.

[@pxlcowpxl6166]

The poor minoans would certainly wear cheaper clothes, using cheaper fabric, cheaper dyes and less decorations. I do believe that the general shape of men's and women's clothes was similar for all classes. At least there's no evidence to the contrary. I can imagine though that peasant class and slave women's dresses would be somewhat shorter and a lot less wide than what we see depicted in Minoan art, because that'd be a lot more practical for house chores, field work, etc.

[@jodofe4879]

That is difficult to say, because we know very little about the structure of Minoan society. So we don't know who the Minoans depicted in those frescoes and statues are and what social class (if any) they represent, or even if they represent living, contemporary Minoan people at all. For all we know they could just as well depict gods or mythic ancestors. We also don't know the status and purpose of the depicted clothing. Was this the everyday clothing of the common Minoan? The courtly dress of the elite? The ceremonial dress of the priesthood? Was it always worn or only on special occasions such as religious festivals? We don't know any of that.

[@sosopwsi829Jjw9]

No shit

[@aeomaster32]

I have always been fascinated by how civilized the life in early Crete was, so I really enjoyed this. What strikes me a odd, is that the Minoans were seemingly capable of creating an unbreakable encryption. We can't decipher what they wrote. Amazing.

[@Kingdomkey123678]

It’s not that hard to make an “Unbreakable” encryption, all it takes is assigning meaning to symbols at random, then destroying any keys to these symbols

[@aeomaster32]

@@zoeapostolidou3964 " We simply do not possess knowledge of what the symbols meant." Isn't that the whole idea of code? Obviously what they wrote was not code. THEY all understood it. But if we could get one of them to explain it, it seems we would have the perfect encryption for current times.

[@zoeapostolidou3964]

@@aeomaster32 No, it is not. We do not possess knowledge of what the symbols meant because we do not possess enough material to compare and decipher them, as we do for Linear B. They did not conceal their meaning, did not hide it to create some grand encryption only they knew, the "alphabet" is simply lost on us currently due to lack of material. Again, it's not an encryption, just a writing system.

[@zoeapostolidou3964]

@giwrgospetrou1159 I think you need an appointment with your doctor - the meds aren't working

[@freshhands9461]

I am waiting for AI to solve these issues at last

[@yogawarriorgirl]

Fun fact: One of the reasons the Victorians "covered up" was because sunscreen had not yet been invented. Sunburn, however, had been.

[@phatshit9932]

sunburn in manchester?

[@Pollicina_db]

@@phatshit9932Well, you can get sunburned when you’re on the snow so it's not that shocking.

[@MobyDicksWife]

Also it can be bloody cold and damp in Britain. I read some doctors recommended no house be heated over 45 F in winter was it "would be too much of a shock to the system to go outside". If I was in a house at 45 F in a damp climate, I too would wear lots of clothes.

[@kashinimeyo]

Ah yes- the *invention of sunburn*

[@Mic_Glow]

And being extremely pale/ using a wig was considered sexy and sign you were rich.

[@finpin2622]

I find less-talked about ancient cultures super interesting from a writing point of view bc I love myself a good fantasy story set in 'olden times' but I'm absolutely sick of medieval settings. There are soo many cultures that would be so fun to insert magic into it just gets my creative brain excited. Also actually learning more about history is cool and important too!

[@dilophosaurussk4333]

Me: *Sees a Trey upload* Me: *Gets excited* Me: *Notices the thumbnail* Me: One of us is on drugs, i am not sure who.

[@nechocat1234]

YES I AM

[@ninjiango9126]

Only on drugs can you come up with a thumbnail of Minoan Micheal Jackson pelvis thrusting Minoan Katy Perry.

[@EuelBall]

Why not *both?*

[@ronjayrose9706]

IT'S LIKE A ECSTASY!!!!!!!!!!

[@jalexoneschanel1356]

Trey: talking about gay Greeks Trey: shows a pot depicting Achilles and Patroclus A man of culture, I see.

[@derpychicken2131]

@HanselManCan mmm yes they were only good friends very good friends who loved each other very much so good in fact that achillies actually said he loved patroclus as much as his own life, look just stop trying to protect your fragile masculinity "oh no these historical figures cant be gay"

[@GillfigGarstang]

@wanka wanka Why couldn’t it be the same kind of relationship as we observe in the modern world? It’s like claiming that the ancient Greeks must have been colourblind because they didn’t have a word for the colour blue; there is no reason to assume the people of the ancient world were incapable of the full range of human experience that we observe in the modern world even accounting for differences in culture.

[@jodofe4879]

@wanka wanka It wasn't. "Gay" and "straight" are modern concepts. The Ancient Greeks had a very different understanding of sexuality in which gender didn't play as important a role as it does in our modern concept of sexuality. Instead, they found other things to be much more important such as the social status of the people having sex and whether one took a passive or active role in the intercourse.

[@jodofe4879]

@@GillfigGarstang We know it wasn't the same kind of relationship because the Ancient Greeks and Romans wrote a fair deal about love and sex. From that we can piece together a fairly good image of how they viewed sexual relationships. And while the people of the ancient world were fully capable of the same range of Human emotions and experiences that we modern people are capable of, the idea of romantic and sexual relationships is a social construct that is fully dependent on culture. In other words, radically different cultures have radically different ideas about love and sex. And the pre-Christian culture of the Ancient Greeks certainly was very different from our modern Western Christian culture. So to put it in other words, while two men in Ancient Greece could have loved one another, such a relationship would not have been thought of as "homosexual", since the very concept of homosexuality is alien to the Ancient Greek world. Ancient Greeks would have looked at such a relationship through their own frame of reference instead.

[@charlottewalnut3118]

@@jodofe4879 biological sex

[@Nikko2I]

One of the reasons why Minoan clothing was changing slowly toward Greek style may be the climate becoming colder during the 1900 BC.

[@bigmax9603]

Nah it’s because the pillar men

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

@@bigmax9603 Ayayaya ゴゴゴゴ

[@markusgorelli5278]

I actually wondered that recently. One day it was so humid and I just didn't want to walk around with any clothes. Which is fine for indoors, but I needed to do stuff outside - in sight of neighbours. lol. I remember grumbling to myself why don't we have "updated" dress standards. Watching something on Egypt afterwards, I started thinking - Geez, these royalities are so scantily dressed. Looking into it some more, later in time, the pharoahs start to wear a type of big sleeve shirt. And I wondered if the weather was changing from really humid to colder too. So you may be onto something.

[@ChaotiX1]

Ancient Greeks: *Omae wa mou sindeiru* Ancient Minoans: *AYAYAYAYYYYYYYYY*

[@FunkBastid]

DUN-DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUNDUN TS DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUNDUN TS DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUNDUN DUNDUDUNDUDUNDUDUNDUDUDUDUN

[@Joshua_N-A]

*MENACING* *MEZAMETAMAE WAGA NO ARUJITACHI O*

[@OnePieceOfATheory]

NIGURENDAYUUU

[@yeoldedumbass4487]

The person above you has the same pfp as you wtf

[@aureliaanthony3030]

ZA WARUDOOOOOO

[@AyubuKK]

The Minoans must’ve been a pretty flamboyant and fun-loving people.

[@briancooley8777]

The Phoenicians were pretty flamboyant too but they were not very fun loving ._.

[@maxgrozema1093]

@@briancooley8777 Roman propaganda

[@corinnacybele]

The reason we’ve never seen a time traveler is bc they’re all chilling in Minoan Crete

[@pedrorazormist716]

The Minoans fell just because they changed their clothes. Change my mind.

[@angelobalcueba7081]

They fell because most of them did not survive stand arrow.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

They fell due to an invasion from a small clan, called the hamon clan, which took advantage of their weakness to sunlight.

[@jasminedavis6686]

They didn't listen to the old adage of dress for success

[@esmeraldagreen1992]

They were destroyed by the eruption of the Santorini volcano

[@aleks8078]

I won't.

[@Superhrnet]

*Hector of Troy walks at Achilles* Achilles: "Hoooo? You approach me?"

[@pyrrhusofepirus8491]

Superhrnet *walks to*

[@yinfelicitousemperor]

Achilles was pissed at Hector for killing Patroclus and stealing his armor. Just like Jotaro pissed at DIO for killing Joseph and sucking his blood.

[@ecurewitz]

we totally gotta bring back some of those Minoan fashions. Those ladies had some awesome dresses

[@LDrosophila]

The layered skirts ❤️

[@modifiedcontent]

The boobs out ♥️

[@emmym9276]

Nothing is stopping us from dressing like that when you think about it 😳

[@elenapopovic2527]

@@emmym9276 well... idk where you live but I might get arrested

[@emmym9276]

@@elenapopovic2527 they're just jealous ♥️

[@Raven_Black_252]

Their culture, economy, buldings and fashion look really interesting as well as the location of Crete. I'll definitely get some inspirations from them for my fantasy world.

[@freshhands9461]

Me, too! Carries a certain vibe that I just want to explore. Pleasant worldbuilding to you 🌐

[@ishanshah7521]

I, for one, humbly accept our new sexy Minoan overlords

[@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge]

Aside from their human sacrifice I agree!

[@lostinthewoods2010]

@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge their WAT??

[@thekroomfster]

@@lostinthewoods2010 at the fall of their civilization there are very obvious hints of human sacrifice and potentially cannibalism iirc idk what would u do if a massive ass volcano erupted near your home and u believed that horny people in the sky were the ones to cause it

[@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge]

@@lostinthewoods2010 Yeah what Avi Sina said. There's pretty clear evidence of human sacrifices in some temples, which is not really talked about often funnily enough.

[@omarpride3021]

Matthew Fergson I know I do hehe 😂😅

[@HaseOster]

Theseus: * comes to labyrinth * Minotaur: - Did you perhaps... Come here... Intending to *'pursue'* me?..

[@flygawnebardoflight]

Whoa a part 8 reference, nice

[@bossbeartherock6034]

Nah your inviting me .

[@JohnDoe-jw7cj]

The Wonder of U - endless calamity

[@BeePuncher]

@@JohnDoe-jw7cj Still bummed that it wasn't Crazy Train to go along with Love Train; Unless he upgrades into it.

[@JohnDoe-jw7cj]

@@BeePuncher We'll see..

[@The_Butler_Did_It]

Minoan moral police "Cover those arms up you look indecent"....."Get your thruppeny bits out, are you some sort of a prude?"

[@justacommentercommenting]

don't mined me I'm just here to inform you your comment is doing well.

[@owenhopkins4239]

Minoan life just sounds like a life of good vibes

[@nakenmil]

For anyone interested about Minoan inspirations in popular media : in the roleplaying game Runequest (similar to DnD), there is a culture called the Esrolians who are aesthetically inspired by the Minoan civilization. That's simplifying it a lot, but they're a culture with a lot of focus on agriculture and fertility (including lots of magic to help with that), closely-knit clans or houses ruled by senior matriarchs, elected queens, and a governance based around consensus decisions. They also have the extravagant skirts and open-chested tops, with lots of jewelry and decoration. When they have to go to war, they, in addition to having their own voluntary militias, tend to hire lots of mercenaries with their huge wealth, and perhaps more importantly, their cultural ethos is all about creating useful alliances through sacred marriages and the like. They are master negotiators when they need to be. Their "capital" city (they actually have a bunch of city-states, but it's the most important of them) is the largest single city in the entire world (and the largest trading port as well), and they possibly also have the very oldest temple in the world as well (a cave complex that is religiously considered to be the womb of the Earth Goddess - though there are other temples that might be equally old). There's more to read if you're interested (just google "Glorantha Esrolia"), and obviously it's not a 1:1 literal interpretation of the Minoans, but it's cool to see Minoan elements used in popular culture! Esrolian woman: 66.media.tumblr.com/964e3f2bfe2e5ba17dba144e042a82c4/6ea74d765412d156-4b/s540x810/89a0fe302a49f4818038f937dc108d7f06910f1a.jpg Esrolian Queen giving mercenaries a mission: 66.media.tumblr.com/e7e059b69c4f26698633a4282cea8048/tumblr_inline_nntpg6bjPi1rw7v32_1280.jpg

[@alethearia]

The "male = dark skin; female = light skin" is a motif that we see in many bronze age cultures in their art ranging from Egyptian to Mesopotamian to cave art. It's very likely that it was artistic short hand for gender distinction, or was simply an aesthetic ideal. Take for example the bull fresco - where half those depicted have pale skin even though they're all dressed relatively the same - suggesting that not only are women allowed to wear male clothing, but that men and women both participated in bull-jumping.

[@johncollins211]

Except every women depicted so far has her tits out. No need for your whole color scheme when you can just show some booba.

[@BasileosHerodou]

It makes sense, men would work more outside which is why they were tanned

[@Aethon988]

As a Greek i think it has to do with that we go from very pale to very dark skinned depending on how much we are in the sun. Our skin is very reactive to it. 3 days in the beach and from ghost white i become brown. So maybe men were drawn like that because they worked outdoors (fishing, farming etc.) while women worked indoors (weaving etc.).

[@mrtrollnator123]

​@@Aethon988really? Is that actually true? If it its, that's pretty interesting

[@GrandDuchessT]

Greek here. In the countryside and especially Crete, this applies nowadays too. Men who work in farm work will be tan due to sun exposure. At minoan times, women used to occupy themselves with housework thus they didn't tan. Those who tanned were servants, who worked outside, thus the pale skin of a lady was a symbol of status.

[@ThatsWhatSheSaid-420]

"In summary: I should be able to wear crop tops in public because Minoan men were fabulous." Me: correct but also valid

[@justacommentercommenting]

don't mined me I'm just here to inform you your comment is doing well.

[@jlinus7251]

If men irl had the fashion sense of men in jojos they'd be getting all us ladies easy. The reason so many incels exist is because they're unable to express that fabulous fashion and therefore cannot attract dem ladies. Im drunk and spouting nonsense. So...

[@lets_wrapitup]

Well we aren’t living in minoa are we

[@williamvaux7500]

Yes. 100%

[@MrDukeSilverr]

Crop tops were made for men anyways

[@Krankaroon]

I went to crete once, it was very beautiful. But there are also really ancient looking ruins everywhere. And people just kind of disregard them, like i past an orange orchard with clearly ancient stone walls all over the place. It’s a fascinating and gorgeous place!

[@volfi123]

The orchard stone walls used to indicate the boundaries are not that old. Most should be less than 150 years old. With the exception of the 4 palaces the rest of the really old places are hard to find unless you get a guide with archaeological knowledge. Most are found in villages that tourists don't usually visit and on mountainous areas. Afte the Bronze age collapse piracy became more common and locals had the habbit of building citadel-like settlements on hill sites.

[@BosonCollider]

Creationists: the world is five thousand years old. Minoans: we had flush toilets for centuries at that point

[@ladyviola2685]

No, we believe it's closer to 7000 years

[@citrischips1914]

I’m a Christian. God is immune to time, what if he sped time up? 13 billion years to us, 6 days to him. Idk, just an idea...

[@highlander7462]

@@citrischips1914 Lmao, god isn't real, read a book

[@citrischips1914]

It was just an idea, didn’t mean to make it an argument.

[@Zamolxes77]

@@citrischips1914 The 13 billion number is actually an approximation, taken from a number of theories. Other theories yield age of universe as 15 billion, 18 billion and even 22 billion years.

[@bivamp]

This was truly fascinating and I really hope they can figure out the language someday to learn more. Advanced plumbing? Possibly matriarch society? No wars? Dolphin murals? The intricate hair and textiles? Amazing. I can't believe I never knew about them. The loss of civilization and the lack of insight into it is so sad to me.

[@petrus9067]

That's the problem with sorta isolated societies/cultures, their languages rarely influence and spread into others :( the best find of course would be a tablet written in minoan and the same text in a language we do know somewhat. But the chances of that are pretty rare

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

No war? Minoans were the naval powerhouse of their era.

[@ryokiritani4187]

​@@matiasluukkanen7718 "A powerful navy is not a declaration of war, but the best of deterrences"

[@BironBironBiron]

Dolphin mural? This is truly just a JoJo's civilization

[@genghiskhan6809]

Minor correction: no civil wars or disturbances. The Minoans were famous though for having one of the best or if not, the best navy of the bronze age world with possibly only the Nuragic Civilization of Sardinia coming close to matching them. Other than that, it’s still beyond impressive the level of internal unity they had especially in comparison to the Egyptians and Elamites.

[@starja4477]

I've been interested in historical fashion for as long as I remember, and I recall seeing depictions of Minoan fashion when I was young and thinking it was so wild and I loved it.

[@phil23_8]

"And not the Ptolemies, I'm talking about the og Egyptians" why did this make me laugh XD

[@MetalSlugzMaster]

*thrusts out pelvis* "Hey guys, check out my new haircut" *Lines of sight redirect to huge bright-blue form-fitting bulge*

[@stuff4826]

so gay lol

[@ellegntolover7605]

stuff is that a problem? :)

[@ellegntolover7605]

stuff imagine using gay as an insult

[@stuff4826]

@@ellegntolover7605 evolve.

[@ellegntolover7605]

@@stuff4826 bbg how bout u evolve? u straggots get more irrelevant by the second. bye

[@thedoruk6324]

11:27 - That art is a masterpiece and Will be the mona lisa of j0j0 fandom

[@abdusqamar9667]

Trey never did worm week

[@eertikrux666]

Kira: did someone say *M O N A L I S A*

[@thedoruk6324]

@@abdusqamar9667 for that he has forever been denied from the *glory* of the Worm!

[@thedoruk6324]

@@kesorangutan6170 :]

[@randominternetperson8464]

Ya know, that’s some *s p I c y* art.

[@whitewing2]

Society today not liking minoan fashion Minoan man: Yare yare...

[@gcrecords1731]

minoans was ancient iranians moved in sicily after santorini erupted ,they go with ships in italy grecus latinus , they are gypsy greeks phoenicians , carthages

[@amatsu-ryu4067]

*Tips feather crown*

[@maerythegreek9008]

"society today not liking Minoan fashion:" The society today : Met gala dresses....

[@alienalchemist]

Perhaps humans have regressed over the years

[@yibtstill]

😤 Did you really just insult my hair? 😤

[@judeowers2708]

Unfortunately, this isn't really how Minoan men dressed. It's based on a reconstruction the excavator made ('The Priest King') with very little material to work with, so it's mostly improvised and imagined based on fragments that were scattered around the place. We now know that those headdresses were employed in art as the headwear of sphinxes, while men tended to just braid their hair or let it fall.

[@magiv4205]

I do believe men wore rather similar attire to women, just with shorter robes/skirts

[@nyyotam4057]

About Linear A - we know it was a V-S-O language, thanks to Dr. Brent Davis's work. We have many words which are known, not just the names of the cities but also words like 'olives' which appear in many places. The only thing missing from a complete deciphering of the language is that there are not enough samples known of Linear A. Currently there are around 7,000 clay tablets and written accords of it, but that's not enough. If an archeological dig stumbles upon a buried vault/library, that would enable a complete deciphering in a number of days. This would be great, being able to read what these ppl thought and how they lived, back then since 5000 years ago. It would seem that they were a peaceful, sea faring, trader culture. The kind of a culture you would expect greatness of.. And then came the Santorini eruption.

[@victoriah4648]

Dude, I'm Greek and I've been seeing those wall murals my entire life, and never in that entire life have I been so amused to see them compared to Jojo's, I was laughing throughout the video and I'm never going to look at the murals the same way again lmaaaaoooo

[@iisadragon]

moral of the story: the sexier the dress the stabler the society.

[@Duplicitousthoughtformentity]

Japan: [Confused screaming]

[@victor_.]

The garden of eden was supposed to be perfect and no one wore clothes, we should build a culture around that

[@vaderbuckeye36]

@@victor_. you seem to have missed the part where Adam and Eve didn't realize they were naked until they partook in the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil

[@Oblio1942]

who wants to fight when theyve got an errection?

[@willrope5839]

This explains the middle east 😂

[@GOAWAYJAKE]

idk if you'll ever see this but I've been binging your videos for about 2 weeks at least, after the archeology iceberg wandered into my recommendations late one night, as I was falling asleep, full of cheese (it's a coping mechanism okay), only to be plagued with nightmares, wake up with agonizing indigestion and have a weird existential moment sat on the toilet ("so much has been lost..."). I love the videos you make, from the cryptids to the dinos to the archeology & anthropology. So much care goes into them, so much research, and while I have so much respect for the academic authority your reading shows, there's a comforting tenderness in so many of the videos you post, this kind of open, welcoming sense that we should be respectful of people and their ideas not just in our time, but throughout history, and it really just gives a sense of how beautiful being a human is and I'm so glad that these videos are a way for you and your viewers to really just celebrate and savor that with stuff like this. Keep being beautiful. (and wearing crop tops. If I wasn't a fat old man whose beer gut needn't be inflicted on anyone, but still looked like I did when I was like 16-19 I'd be so down for showing of my abs lmao)

[@borkwoof696]

It‘s worth pointing out that linear A and B do not refer to languages but scripts. Linear B for example was used for older versions of Greek.

[@AvrahamYairStern]

Yes that is correct, also did you know that linguists managed to decipher the mysterious disc, apparently it refers to a ritual

[@Grandat-dw6rl]

The oldest jojo reference ever

[@xzenitramx666]

Dinos are a jojo reference

[@TheArtistInside]

The big bang is a jojo reference

[@csweezey18]

The universe itself is a Jojo reference!

[@pupintheturdiii]

What's JoJo

[@DioDidNothingWrong-w1q]

@@pupintheturdiii JoJo Mama

[@Mara999]

Their artwork and clothing looks like an interesting blend of styles from their neighbours in Egypt, as well as from cultures they'd very unlikely to have known about at the time. To me at least the art has a strong Meso-American vibe, especially with the headdresses, but also some strangely East-Asian elements. Most likely a complete coincidence.

[@CanalTremocos]

We're all human, in the end.

[@maymay5600]

i mean borders didn't exist yet so free travel was very common

[@Marispider]

@@maymay5600 Ships that could travel across the Atlantic didn't exist yet either lmao

[@Mara999]

@Joq Queen Yeah, Egypt as an influence makes much sense due to geographical closeness, since they kept influencing the entire Mediterranean for millennia.

[@chewbrick]

totally, when I saw the male illustration it immediately reminded me of the Mayan (because of the shape of the crown and the long feather) and Zapotec headdresses that we have in Mexico, and the fact that it is not much clothing I think it speaks of the similarity of the climate.

[@jeanabeana8818]

Well, the Olympics used to be conducted completely nude. And the Spartans were known to train together with their women in the buff as well. I think what really started the modesty craze was the advent of Christianity and morality. I could be wrong, but it seems our ideas of modesty changed drastically from even four or five hundred years prior! It's so interesting to learn about fashion through the ages!!

[@Redneckkratos]

King Minos: “And before you ask-YES!!!! This is a JoJo reference!!!!”

[@DemitriVladMaximov]

Thank you Alucard.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Minotaur: "Wamoo! Awaken my Moosters!"

[@jesusjoseph1899]

Ay Ay Ay ay aay ay

[@theredstonesword9293]

@EmperorJuliusCaesar an anime reference meme.

[@nnnnnn7124]

Yes, yes, yes, yes! *YES!*

[@brandonvistan7444]

The Minoan dolphin images remind me of a certain marine biologist.

[@annusrideviravindran6396]

Jotaro approves

[@sauromatae9728]

OCEAN MAN

[@flioink]

I keep repeating that the Minoan "cleavage" gotta make a comeback.

[@yvyibree3754]

I’m in. I hate wearing bras anyways

[@jirkavebr-czmapper8059]

@@yvyibree3754 Maybe if you start other women will follow 😁

[@LameMule]

@@yvyibree3754 Free the Minoan. But for real, bras look to be the absolute most uncomfortable piece of attire modern humans wear, next to or moreso than the corset.

[@jasper3706]

@@LameMule Can confirm that well made and fitted corsets are actually quite comfortable and can even help with back pain. It's kind of like a butter knife vs a sharp knife- corsets provide even pressure on much of the body with soft materials, whereas bras have metal that digs into one specific area.

[@petros_adamopoulos]

Mark my words, the day we get back to this kind of fashion, soon after an asteroid wipes us out. Hash tag irony.

[@jasondykstra3102]

We had to learn about them in school, alongside other Mediterranean cultures from the time. It was quite interesting to see how they contrasted with their neighbours so differently, let alone the civilisations after them. From what we were taught in school, the way they dressed (mostly in regards to women), as well as their rituals and importance to women was because they viewed fertility as highly important for their society, and might have viewed their women as symbols of fertility. This might explain why they might have been given importance in society and religion, well as influencing the way they dressed; their breasts being a symbol of fertility, supposed to be shown to all of what you were blessed with. Many Mediterranean societies from this period and before gave importance to fertility, including those from my homeland in prehistoric times, so I wasn't surprised hearing when I heard about this. Either way, their civilisation was a unique note in history that should not be forgotten, and that should be given more importance. I do apologise for this long comment, and I do thank you if you read it this far. I appreciate it.

[@jacq0272]

Video: *Detailed breakdown of the Minoans* Thumbnail: *"Awaken my Masters"*

[@ricardomiles2957]

0:13 actually when I was a kid (I don't know how the grading system works outside my country so...), around 10 years old I remember casually reading something addressing how civilizations clothes worked and saw a painting of a woman with some kind of dress but with her chest exposed. Still remember all the other boys coming back for that page

[@georgethompson913]

@Manophere. com so what ancient aliens nuked the minoans?

[@Chepicoro]

@@georgethompson913 the sea people killed them...the same with other civilizations of the bronze age

[@merrittanimation7721]

@@Chepicoro Their civilization fell apart a few centuries before the Bronze Age Collapse, so their demise was unrelated.

[@londons953]

Now that's a story.

[@carlosandleon]

@@merrittanimation7721 Aliens

[@sspringNG]

Honestly, I would be completely fine with modern society normalizing the classical Minoan fashion. would be sick

[@haillobster7154]

We wish.

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

There is nothing wrong dressing like this if you just have a body to complement the look.

[@2ms2]

I would agree if it wasn't for my extremely low self esteem.

[@georgethompson913]

Until you see your fat uncle with his gut just hanging out all over

[@youwouldntremembermeanyway7410]

Seeing everyone dressed as stand users would be cool

[@arturhashmi6281]

"We have countless tablets with the writtings of these people" - you wish.

[@parmaxolotl]

I feel like this video is a slight middle finger to those people I've seen who say they stopped watching Trey because he acts "gay" (slightly nicer version of what they said), and I love that!

[@edward657]

And fair play to those who stopped. It’s a bit of a weird double take to say the least to be listening about archeology and then hear the lecturer talk about how he likes to walk around in crop-tops to show his belly. Like wtf? You can just be gay in your own time.

[@r-o-y-g-b-v]

@@edward657 Sorry, being gay is a full-time gig.

[@m4r1ush.60]

Edward but it wasn’t a separate lecture it was him applying his life to the culture of the people so it can help other people understand it also was used to point out how quickly a culture can change so quickly as seen with crop tops being worn by men being abandoned in 40 years and for all intensive purposes liking to wear crop tops isn’t gay if you’re heterosexuality is threatened by a shirt you have to re-examine your world views

[@bingewatchingintesifies809]

Are you that offended that someone mentioned that they like the clothing from 40 years ago that you are going to denounce their work and never watch again?Buddy you need a therapist.There is worst stuff to be mad about.

[@Ulexcool]

So people stopped watching him, and this is a response to the people that do not watch him? So clever...

[@thomasjackson2223]

My theory about the relative non-military society of the Minoans: First they were matriarchal, and the leaders of the society were not men, but priestesses of a goddess religion that originated in Anatolia. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the Minoans produced purple dye on an industrial scale, something that was rare in other places but plentiful on ancient Crete. Purple was the color of royalty in ancient cultures, and this may have been because the Minoans sold them on the idea. My theory is that this trade relationship bought them protection from the other civilizations, so attempting to invade Crete would have brought down the wrath of their allies.

[@isabelrodriguezsjolund9701]

Really interesting thoughts!

[@hedgehog3180]

Also being an island civilization they obviously wouldn't have needed a land army to defend themselves. They could make do with just a strong navy, which would be able to completely prevent wars from reaching their shores. They could probably conduct diplomacy similar to Great Britain during the age of sail where through their massive trade power they had a lot of influence and the same navy that gave them that trade power would also be used to defend the home island from attack. This would mean that they wouldn't really need a land army of any kind and obviously having such an important trade good would be a huge bargaining chip.

[@thomasjackson2223]

@@hedgehog3180 Yes! That is a concurrent opinion, and I agree. The reason that I think their trade power protected them is because they probably had a lock on purple dye. The dye is made from murex, a mollusk that the Minoans farmed on an industrial scale to make purple dye. Purple is the royal color, and fabrics made from purple dye were used by the ancient rulers of empires, or by kings who wanted to emulate the rulers of empires. As you said, like Britain two thousand years later, they likely relied primarily upon sea power for defense and upon colonies for economic power. Their alliances likely made them an empire. My source for the murex theory is Brittany Hughes, who did an astonishing documentary about the Minoans which you can find on youtube.

[@franciscovincent7035]

@@thomasjackson2223 You got any sources on them producing purple dye?

[@Dommommy]

@@franciscovincent7035 you have google the same as everyone else

[@ssun9074]

YES FINALLY A VIDEO ABOUT THE MINOANS (not just from you but a video about them in general) I absolutely love this, I love the Minoans and Myceneans so much, they had such a fascinating culture and are so completely overlooked. Great video! Edit: Also, as a classics and archaeology student with a particular interest in them, I would be remiss to not at least mention the Etruscans. Just as the Minoans served as a sort of precursor to the Greeks, so was the Etruscan relationship with the Romans. They're a culture that is as fascinating as they are mysterious, and I would love to see a video from you about them! So few people know about them but they have a very interesting history, and a rather unfortunate relationship with early archaeological practices (at least, more so than other civilizations, I would dare say). To anyone who reads this, you should definitely check them out!

[@valkeakirahvi]

I agree, Etruscs are fascinating too!

[@imokin86]

Yes, lots of interesting things to learn there too! The Etruscan funerary statue of spouses in an embrace is my favourite.

[@133774c05]

Boar vessel 600-500bc etruscan ceramic

[@wirelessbluestone5983]

Trey should do a video about the Pre indo Europeans