(261) The Stingray Class (Starfleet's Failed Answer to the Klingon Bird of Prey)

In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Stingray Class, A 23rd century Starship Design, that was a complete failure! Enjoy!
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[@mrtotoro123]

This is when the Oberth was going through its grunge/rebellious phase.......

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

yeah im like this is a battle oberth

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

Give her black trim, shift the "tail" 180 degrees the other way (mimicking a BoP's neck), and add a couple phaser lances and maybe she'll look more goth rebel

[@keirfarnum6811]

Kind of Emo/Goth I think.

[@Cauin450]

The Suicide Canoe cannot get a break.

[@Saintbow]

Starfleet Engineers: "We started with using Oberth parts and..." Starfleet Command: "Hold up, you said Oberth parts? The same Oberth that we give to Captains we are mad at or retiring Captains about to be Old Yeller? The one shot death canoe Oberth?!?" Starfleet Engineers: "Yes, But..." Starfleet Command: "We're just going to continue using the Miranda class for another 300 years..."

[@Jfleshman1209]

Being based on the Oberth class, I'm not surprised it failed.

[@sicnic6390]

On a very few video games the oberth class was on par with the defiant class

[@navysealinguardiantank2679]

​@@sicnic6390*stock laughing sounds*

[@MythicFables]

@@sicnic6390 I for one think the Oberth deserves more respect. They wouldn't use the design for over a century if it wasn't both useful and safe. As far as I'm concerned if a scrappy lil' science ship has the gumption to take on a borg cube and manages to survive the attempt it deserves respect. (ST: First Contact)

[@Allosaurus87]

And then, Defiant: allow me to introdue myself.

[@majinjones4565]

Anything made from Oberth parts...........was doomed. Great Video Nerd Approved!

[@james8449100]

I always wondered why Starfleet didn't develop other stealth systems that were not clocking devices

[@keirfarnum6811]

Clocking devices? You mean like a “clock?” 😂

[@bidet1515]

by "Algeron" treaty with romulans they are not allowed to develop such technolgy ( whether you call it "clocking device" or not ) it's seems that at that time federation were able to effectivly detect cloaked ships further romulans technologies development improve their device ( TNG era )

[@dennisud]

I would say that Ben Sisko would have rediscovered the Stingray classes Blue prints when building the Defiant class a hundred years later. 😉

[@KertaDrake]

I could see him even trying to bring back the design wholesale... Imagine a century-old failed design based on the laughingstock of Starfleet's ships making a reappearance in a combat situation, getting laughed at by the enemy... and then it unloads enough firepower to take down a Vor'cha in its first salvo.

[@MrMortull]

I was kind of thinking around that line myself, like "If only O'Brien had been around at the time". Halfway through the video I already had the impression that it was a TOS-era Defiant that hadn't had all the wrinkles ironed out of the design.

[@jamesk370]

I could definitely see it being a muse for the design of the Defiant class.

[@dc-4ever201]

It's nice to see a half Oberth given a fleshing out and an actual picture plus story to go with it.

[@BoisegangGaming]

"We need a bird of prey" Rebuilds an Oberth: "Alright here you go" "This is just an up-gunned and up-armored oberth"

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

Engineer: Yeah? What's the problem? Starfleet: No, we wanted an actual Bird-of-Prey.

[@KertaDrake]

If anything, seeing this thing would make enemies fight harder to win... Losing to something Oberth-like would be such an embarrassment that I'm sure it would stain the honor of a Klingon captain's entire house!

[@sjTHEfirst]

Ever notice that when a starship design doesn’t include a bowling alley, it tends to be a failure.

[@georgejcox9241]

Good point.

[@KertaDrake]

I think... you just invented the precursor to all those ships the Maquis used. This thing looks like it could actually fit into a design lineage there!

[@stitch626aloha]

Yet ANOTHER design I want included in Star Trek Online!!!

[@jasonaich8071]

That’s a great looking kit bash! From now on, in my head canon, the “Oberth” class ships that were deployed against the Borg in the Battle of Wolf 359 were actually mothballed Stingray class ships that Starfleet secretly kept 😉

[@BRANDONDELK-2056]

I would love to see The stingray class resurrected and updated with all of the modern advanced tech that is available, even from the dreaded section 31 department

[@MythicFables]

Yay: You made a really polished version of my favorite fan kitbash!!! :D :D :D Boo: You called it a failure. :( :( :( TriAngulum giveth and TriAngulum taketh away. As notes on this design I first came across it as a kitbashed model on Facebook years ago, tho they called it the Peregrine class. It's been one of my favorites for years and years, and I like it WAY way more then the typical tactical Oberth that just has a torpedo pod. I even made my own version that has basically the same arrangement but has the OG Oberth pod additionally suspended from a compact central pylon underneath. I called it the Condor class, a planet landing warp based troop/equipment transport with gull wing doors and landing feet. Great job on your design! It would just be nice if at least one Oberth kitbash wasn't labeled explodium as default. At this point it feels like we're bullying the class. XD

[@stevenewman1393]

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[@JeremyBuxman]

"We need a new attack ship!" Designers: "I know! Let's start with that one science vessel that keeps blowing up at the drop of a hat!"

[@dustind3960]

Imangine what could do if is was rebuild with the defiant class technology and reactivated for the dommion war?

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

That could have worked, especially if they retooled a Stingray with the Defiant-level of advancement and she could have kicked far more Dominion posterior than the Mirandas

[@scottbraun2457]

I like this idea. "Someone should try it" ..--translation..Someone please make a fanfiction..based on everything here.

[@tehno_thefallen386]

Grest job on the kitbash, you made oberth look 👌

[@ch1mera302]

Failure or not, I would fly this in sto.

[@axehammer3850]

You just don't have a Chief Miles Obrien to do to the Stingray what he did to the Defiant. 😊

[@georgejcox9241]

True that.

[@kristopherkingston6309]

Starfleet needs more attack ships like this. but not using Oberth parts. while the defiant class and her variants are cool. seeing something like this decloak out of nowhere and cover you would be asome. i would trade out the phaser lances on the wings with those from the defiant class and trade out the forward shuttle bay for a quad torpedo launcher. I would love to see a wing of these strafe a Romulan warbird. would love a dicast model for my bookshelf.

[@larryiscreating]

This is a very cool kit-bash. Might have been fun to see a few of them retrofitted for the Dominion War.

[@FattyMcFox]

I can see this being the brainchild of an Andorian who felt nostalgic for the Komari class, because this has the same vibes. I would love to see this thing iterated on.

[@TheFlyingSailorYT]

And yet in the Alpha and Beta quadrant's darkest hour, it returned, but not as a kitbashed Oberth, but as a symbol of defiance and resistance against an implaccable foe...

[@4thdoctor284]

It looks like there are a couple sonic screwdrivers on the 2 pylon ends

[@carbondragon]

Presumably there was no anti-cloak treaty at this time, so why not a cloak? They had 2 by this time captured (1 from the Romulans and 1 from the Klingons). Why not try hull polarization in concert with shields for armoring? Plus they DID eventually make a ship like this ... the Defiant class once armoring was available.

[@cjrecord]

Okay, but you can see how they get from there to the Defiant and Sabre (and others, in STO). Frankly, if they put a version in STO, I'd fly it.

[@LarsLoveToMosh]

So in all honesty Just a 23rd Century Defiant? Looks like Starfleet was not ready for that,which was understandable regarding the State of the Galaxy at the time

[@FelixzWrath82]

was its hull made of explodium as well?

[@cernstormrunner7263]

i love it. Its like a proto-Defiant

[@KingofPotatoPeople]

Standby for action! Anything can happen in the next half hour!

[@HMSVanguard46]

A certain Australian hates the name of this class

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol, well leave it to Starfleet to piss off the land of it's Penal Colony lol

[@HMSVanguard46]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios lol. Starfleet is the Royal navy confirmed?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Wasn't Malcolm Reed's Father a part of it? LOL #ReedAlert!

[@HMSVanguard46]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yes he was lol

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Geez, I really can't picture Malcolms Dad, that cheery lil so and so, being ticked of LOL

[@davidfigueira8648]

I build model Star Trek ships, and this configuration appeals to me...time to buy a BOP/Grissom kit and duplicate the design.

[@deadon4847]

The Stingray class = a redesigned Oberth featuring even more explodium.

[@tscream80]

Being overpowered makes it sounds like the Defiant class before that was considered.

[@stevenjennings197]

The Defiant's grandfather.

[@The1ReviewBoard]

I kind of like this better than the Archer class, it’s growing on me. I’d go so far as to say it’s the Defiant of its time in a way.

[@kevinkeeney9418]

And all of this could have been avoided if Starfleet Intelligence had heard Kruge say that the Enterprise outgunned his ship 10 to 1.

[@michaelcousins2526]

Cool upload! I think Starfleet's first mistake (one it seems they made often? lol) was thinking the Oberth class had any redeemable qualities other than as a science and research vessel lol I love your kitbashing ability, their's? Not so much sometimes! LOL

[@Area51byDaveReale]

I`ve seen many Oberth variants over the years and this one was pretty unique . :)

[@Renserin]

I almost feel sorry for the Stingray Class. Off the top of my head, I think the design team took the Stingray's mission brief a little too literally, and tried to create a ship the same dimensions and volume, as a B'Rel class Bird of Prey, and then tried to arm it to the teeth. And that proved to be danged near impossible, given Starfleet's level of technology in general, and it's ability to miniaturize components in particular. So the entire class ended up a spectacular failure.

[@georgeflansburg]

Would love to see what a redesigned version from the Dominion War would look like. 😉

[@deanderlp6892]

I've gotta say.. The ship does not really look right. It looks like it flies backwards. Maybe the Stingray would have done better if they just flipped the weapons, Warpdrive and Impulsedrive 180°. But as always, a great video! :D

[@DaiAtlus79]

you'd think they would have kept the class in the wake of Praxis' demise, as it would have covered the gaps the Klingons had with less resources able to dedicate to defenses, and repelled things like the Khitomer Massacre. a wing of those would have came in with firepower and fighters to battle against Romulan instigators.

[@dustind3960]

The stingray class looks like a cute little escort but based on the oberth was also a weak hual of the oberth

[@cernstormrunner7263]

3:00 from the back it almost looks like an Andorian design

[@ZGundam64]

An Orberth by any other name. All that was missing was a bullseye.

[@vasp99]

The poor abused Oberth class never gets a break. I heard that there's a Mirror Universe version of the Daedalus that kicks you-know-what and chews bubble gum. And bubble gum doesn't even exist in that universe !

[@georgejcox9241]

Of course the Oberth does get A break. In two normally.

[@poil8351]

so lets see starfleet decided to get the least safe starship design and turn it into a warship. oh boy i can imagine any cadet being told oh by the way your first assignment is a warship. it is the uss stingray.

[@StevenHouse1980]

This could be an early ship that evolved into the Defiant class.

[@RamielNagisa]

I know what I’m gonna make in Space Engineers now

[@michaelkata2342]

Yes good idea making it from the ship that got destroyed by a bird of prey with one shot, the Klingons wouldn't see that coming.

[@grandmasterestrada1592]

So....the Federation decided to try and weaponize the Oberth's ability to explode?

[@defiantance]

1) Well, people complain about the Oberth class having no teeth, now people are complaining that the Stingray class has too many teeth! Uh? What? I'll show myself out. 2) I kind of like the look of this class. I admit it. Change the nacelles a bit; say, from a Intrepid class maybe. 3) Are you sure it was quietly retired and not quietly sent over to a little known Starfleet Section 31 sections deep for a little overhaul and quiet use? ;)

[@christiankolbesberger2980]

It's a shame that the Stingray was a Failure. I would love to know how it would have performed after beeing finally finished

[@jpxenovore]

I actually kinda like it! Basically tried to be a TMP era Defiant

[@georgejcox9241]

Well it was A good idea. It was just the wrong ship to be based on. The Oberuth is not A ship you build A attack class on ( well it's ok if you want A ship that goes boom if you kick it) The Stingray is A kitbash that's more on the bash side of things.

[@joeybehr]

it looks very similar to the Klingon ship...interesting though

[@pierce9128]

The spark / beginnings of the defiant

[@m1a1tcom]

imagine they updated it with DS9 era techs.

[@JumboWheat01]

I do rather like this design. It still feels "human" thanks to the saucer, but it's profile is different enough to make it stand out.

[@matthewodoherty4385]

Love the highlighters

[@Isteak80]

Interesting, a sort of Proto-Defiant

[@nono2645]

I would love to see what this ship could do in attack wing

[@ericgray4325]

just make it super oberth class, up the size of the original; the forward half of the lower section contains the future 1701d phaser cannon.

[@Keryaken133]

If it's an Oberth, its gonna hit the dirt

[@kyleking284]

Nice little ship👍⭐

[@evos469]

I would hate to be a crewmen on any ship that had parts from the oberth class

[@The_Str4nger]

so it's a similar situation like the Defiant class in the 24th century

[@blindscience1701]

I love this ship, just by the look.

[@tehno_thefallen386]

Ah the highlight of my week 🎉

[@terrylong8894]

So it’s an Oberth variant. That is…a choice.

[@bidet1515]

Later in star trek uninverse isn't the defiant the true counterpart of the bird of prey ? they both seem to have the same size after all

[@poil8351]

i can imagine these being hastily built duing thr dominion war to increase the numbervof ships starfleet has to make up for losses.

[@erikerice9068]

Wouldn't the increased power of the warp core been able to extend the power of the shields for better survivability? I'm sorta lost on that point 🤔

[@erikerice9068]

Still a sweet design

[@yjwrangler7819]

I feel like it should fly......backward? Does that make sence? I feel the same with Cardassian ships.

[@Lazarus1095]

I recall that Lore Reloaded has already produced a multitude of videos documenting how the Oberth Class demonstrated the utter contempt Starfleet had for the lives of its personnel. This continues that theme...

[@dominik8005]

love this video

[@thegooddoctor6719]

Nice.........

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Ah maybe it was for the best the ship was a failure if it meant it was never used

[@kineuhansen8629]

so they took what is the worse ship in starfleet history the oberth and did this to it

[@georgesulea]

Um, nice try? I guess? I can see this as an ancestor to both Runabouts and The Defiant...

[@PhilDrury]

In the words of Andreas Katsulas, "I like it." However, I think the old 22nd Century Emu Class was a better fit :P

[@hybridt]

I do very much like the look of this design shape it's based on such an awful ship

[@longtimber]

Looks nice but it violated the rule about having line of sight between engines.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

There is NO such rule as canon has proven, see Defiant, Magee classes etc

[@timothystuedemann5390]

The Stingray already had a competition in the Columbia class. It had a cloak(until Khitomer). It could already detect romulan ships which have better cloaks. If I also remember the Columbia class is not as flimsy as an Oberth so should be better at protecting the warpcore from being one shot. Can you combine the Stingray with the Columbia class.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Uhhhhhh... Where did you get the idea the Columbia Class had the ability to cloak or could detect Romulan Cloaked Ships? None of that information is correct!

[@timothystuedemann5390]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Venomgeekmedia

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

So you took a KZbinr, like myself, who doesn't follow canon, but rather speculates on why things are a certain way, as fact? If he did or didn't say such a thing, I don't know, but either way, its completely wrong! There is nothing in Canon or Beta Canon to support those ideas! Rather the exact opposite is true, with Canon on Beta Canon clear that the Federation NEVER developed a cloaking device until much later in history!

[@FosterTravis1071]

Well, they based it on the Oberth class... explodium never stands toe to toe with Klingon designs. Starfleet always seems to be better off with larger ships.

[@timothystuedemann5390]

I checked the layout for the Oberth after a theory that the warpcore was what caused the explosion. They have a tendency for exploding violently. From what I found the warpcore is located in the center of the pontoon. The torpedo looked as if it hit the pontoon. Can someone double check this.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

There is no official Canon OR Beta Canon for the layout of this class, so the question can never be answered!

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

Very nice. But it sounds like it was designed as a warship. And we all know that the Defiant Class is the first Federation Warship. Right? . . . . Right?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, it's not a warship, its a destroyer/ scout... But even if it were a warship, that's fine, because it was a failure and never put in to production like the story says. Right? . . . . Right?

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Sorry. I didn't mean to come of as a jerk. I was making fun of Starfleet, not you. ALL of their ships are warships (except the Oberth and other pure science vessels). That was the point I was trying to make.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well thank you for letting me know... As the comment on it's face appears pretty "Trollie(sp?)" :)

[@Kahless_the_Unforgettable]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios, yeah. I see it. Sorry

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not a problem!

[@davetomlinson9063]

Defiant

[@timothystuedemann5390]

I like most of the design except the nacelles have stuff in the way.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not sure why that is a problem, as canon shows us it isnt! See the Magee Class!

[@timothystuedemann5390]

It is just personal preference but the hump on the back covers to much of the nacelles. No look at the Oberth it doesn't have a lot blocking the nacelles however it does seem flimsy. The spine hump adds strength but covers most of the black part of the nacelles which to me are where the two nacelles need most line of sight. In canon the Magee was made for that. The Oberth nacelles were not. Compare the nacelle exposure of the Stingray to the Defiant. It would cut down on crew space but add the Excelsior second hull cutout to the top of the Oberth canoe then you could have shuttle bay out the back and another torpedo at the front or flip the nacelles to the underside and bring them forward turning it into a manta ray. The design looks good from front and above.@@TriAngulumAudioStudios

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Nahhh I 100% disagree! The design is perfect as is, and shows lineage towards classes such as the Defiant! And I learned long ago you can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time! So you're definitely entitled to your own opinion, however, Im glad the majority disagrees with you and loves the design as it is! Take care!

[@MrGadfly772]

I think you mean "horizontal" when you say "vertical."

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, I mean Vertical... See TMP, WOK, etc etc

[@MrGadfly772]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Ok, but it seems to me that the vertical warp cores were much larger than the Oberth has room for. Also, your description of it makes it sound unusual which would NOT be the case if it is vertical.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Sorry, but you're making assumptions that are incorrect! Firstly, there is More than Enough room for a Vertical Warp Core, if, as the video says, it was a specially modified version of that Core. Second, your interpretation of of how unusal it is, is way off, hence why you're the only one making this claim! Though a new type of Warp Core, the Vertical Warp Core had been used for about a decade, making it neither new or unusual. And at no time did I make any statement that suggests the Vertical Warp Core was unusual, but rather that the specially designed on included in the class was just that, specially designed, my exact words... In future, please pay better attention to what is actually being said, rather than making assumptions up in your head and trying to play them off as facts. THIS will help you understand things better, as to NOT make a similar mistake! Take care!

[@randalhill6283]

It looks reminiscent of and almost as if it was inspired by the Centauri main warships from The Babylon 5 TV show

[@chrisbeauvais7499]

No cloak lol

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

And?

[@chrisbeauvais7499]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios joking lol

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im just not sure what the joke is though... confused

[@JeffreyPiatt]

The Defiant class knows it's pain but it got lucky and wasn't scrapped completely before another reason for a starfleet escort ship to be built and the right former Enterprise engineer to be around to fix its warp core issues. Maybe if the hulk survived Sisko could have used it to test the primary systems of the class before they entered production of the main ships hull.