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@mariuszmiroslaw2290
@mariuszmiroslaw2290 Сағат бұрын
Axiom was drafted into Starfleet service
@therecklesswarlock6439
@therecklesswarlock6439 4 сағат бұрын
i like the way the kelvin timeline ships look
@michaelturner2806
@michaelturner2806 9 сағат бұрын
I never considered that the registry numbers would mean anything, but now I'm thinking it's a lost opportunity. Like there could be a digit where it indicates general size category, another for intended mission (science, exploration, etc), maybe another for general range, and so on. But nope, pure arbitrary, like stardates in the TOS era, except never straightened out and retconned.
@JeremyBuxman
@JeremyBuxman 10 сағат бұрын
Honestly it's the "Naval" that bothers me most...
@PhilDrury
@PhilDrury 13 сағат бұрын
A beautiful ship, well named. I love the shapes of the TOS phaser in the design.
@CZ350tuner
@CZ350tuner 13 сағат бұрын
British pre-British Railways "Big Four" railway companies, particularly the LMS & LNER, allocated loco registry numbers in non-sequential blocks that were not age related. For instance, LMS 0-6-0T loco 7606 (built 1924) pre-dates 4-6-2 loco 6201.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 16 сағат бұрын
I generally prefer the idea that ships have a more or less straightforward progression not just as a means of when ships were constructed, but how many ships Starfleet has constructed over time. So by the late 23rd century with the Excelsior Starfleet has built around 2000 ships and going, and by the Mid 24th century they've constructed in the area of 75,000 ships over the Federation's history. Which is a really impressive amount of shipbuilding in the 24th century Ronald D Moore said Starfleet had about 35,000 ships during the TNG era so about half the ships built have been destroyed or retired (unless you're a Jojo fan where that means the same thing). These things of course are just writer errors because the writer's room doesn't necessarily link up with people like the Okudas who keep these sorts of things straight, and the show runners tend to skip minutiae like a ship's history or lore that we fans would eat up like chocolate syrup off of a nipple.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios 15 сағат бұрын
And yet, as this video proves, the theory of a straightforward progression doesnt hold and is incorrect!
@Cauin450
@Cauin450 18 сағат бұрын
How big are those actual windows compared to a person, TriAngulum?
@Kahless_the_Unforgettable
@Kahless_the_Unforgettable 20 сағат бұрын
I find the lack of continuity to be unfortunate. It's always been a bit of an issue for Star Trek. It just seems like someone could have been writing down used numbers, and making sure the writers stuck to it. Reusing famous numbers makes sense. But everything else about the silly registry number system is horrible.
@g.c.brooks7214
@g.c.brooks7214 20 сағат бұрын
One fan theory I've heard and like is that Starfleet skips registry numbers in order to confuse the Federation's adversaries so they can't tell how many ships are in service at any given time based on hull numbers. Which makes sense in my head canon since Starfleet tends to decommission then reactivate ships based on mission needs, of the fleet assuming the ship class isn't totally obsolete. Also ships tend to get renamed as well. Ships can decommissioned and new ship with the same name as a deactivated ship. Which leaves an open registry number.
@christiankolbesberger2980
@christiankolbesberger2980 20 сағат бұрын
After beeing told that Registry numbers are very much randomised i assumed as much but the case with the Yamato actually made me laugh in disbelive of how her Number(s) fluctuated XD
@AceOThorns
@AceOThorns 21 сағат бұрын
I play Star Trek Online. Registry numbers are seemingly a distant afterthought, but I at least try to give my new ships a unique NCC or NX. I'll wager there are heaps of ships out there with the same default registry number.
@Virtue2721
@Virtue2721 22 сағат бұрын
I feel like its just like a license plate. No real relation to the vessel just an id number.
@bryanabbott6169
@bryanabbott6169 22 сағат бұрын
The secret? Number randomizer. As for the Enterprise-G, just remember Constitution refit that became the Enterprise-A had it's own registry number before it was replaced with the NCC-1701-A.
@STNuevo
@STNuevo Күн бұрын
I also think that it is purely an identification number. However, I could imagine that a certain registry character indicates where the ship was designed and/or built. However, this could have changed over time. Especially during the transition from TOS to TNG to LD and beyond
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that any of that is true!
@anicetune
@anicetune Күн бұрын
Google tells me that NCC stands for Navy Construction Contract. The registry number assigned is simply the number of ships that came before it. NX stands for Naval Experiment.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Then Google is wrong, using Beta Canon, like I said in the video to explain something that Canon has yet to explain! So your google search is meaningless!
@RadenVijaya
@RadenVijaya Күн бұрын
I think a captain can choose their own registration number by spending some Federation credits... Just like hiw you choose your own car rego...
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Yeahhhhhh.... That's not how it works at all!
@Starfleet2269
@Starfleet2269 Күн бұрын
This video actually helped me out a lot. I have an OC starship in my fan fiction stories and I've been having a painful time trying to determine its registry number.
@andrewmalinowski6673
@andrewmalinowski6673 Күн бұрын
The three issues with the registry I was immediately ezxplaining were the; NCC-0514 Kelvin, NCC-0312 Franklin/Frank Lin, and the dual registries of the Prometheus. Kelvin has an 05 despite what is supposedly a three-digit number, only because JJ used his grandfather's birthday and the same happened with the Franklin which itself should have a low NCC number when stated in "Star Trek Beyond" to be a precursor to the NX-class. Given the miscommunication with the Prometheus' design vs Mike Okuda the LCARS give it a 75K registry and the hull has a 59K registry. Asking; "do registry numbers make sense," my immediate response; "no," because either the writers aren't paying attention and either swap names and numbrs around without regard to canon or the teams change so frequently no one is paying attention
@jollyjohnthepirate3168
@jollyjohnthepirate3168 Күн бұрын
Constellation was given 1017 because they used the brand new (at that time) AMT plastic model kit. They rearranged the numbers 1701 to make it visably different from Enterprise on the low fidelity TV screens of 1967.
@CarlHardiman-jc7br
@CarlHardiman-jc7br Күн бұрын
Navel...Construcrion...Contract.....REALLY😳🤨🥴😖.......oh yeah🖖🏼LLAP!!!
@sams1504
@sams1504 Күн бұрын
I never cared for the Okuda numbers. To me, it was like "Okay, here's the next number. What's the next ship?" No uniformity whatsoever, regardless of class or type. The "Ships of the Star Fleet Vol 1' book references both the CONSTELLATION and REPUBLIC (NCC-1371) were used as testbeds for the Constitution class; they were converted Horizon and Archon class cruisers respectively. Since they both remained cruisers after conversion they retained the same numbers. As for the rest of the class, the numbers are sequential (1700-1711), just as in the original tech manual. As far as assigning a number series to a class, I'm not sure on that
@PelhamExpress
@PelhamExpress Күн бұрын
I would guess that Starfleet assigned random numbers to confuse enemies as to how many ships were in commission.
@300guy
@300guy Күн бұрын
Why does that USS Intrepid NCC79520 have a deflector dish on both ends of its secondary hull?
@Alan1701b
@Alan1701b Күн бұрын
A most interesting and enjoyable video. I might be misremembering this because it has been a very long time since I've read it, and this also probably counts as Beta canon too, but in the ship listings of the Star Trek Technical Manual I think it showed that rather than adding an "A" etc. to new ships that carried on the name and registry of the previously decommissioned / lost ship they added a roman numeral instead? If so, would that have been more preferable to the alphabet for succeeding ships? Would TPTB have ever really seriously discussed it before the introduction of the new Enterprise at the end of TVH?
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Thank you! And actually the Roman Numeral was added to the name, not the Reg Numbers! IE The Intrepid II
@neilwhit220
@neilwhit220 Күн бұрын
Why would you number your navy sequentially? Your enemies would be able to create a catalog of your ships and their numbers. Tactically stupid.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Seems you missed the entire point of the video! Its not about tactics, its about whether there is some pattern to the numbering!
@neilwhit220
@neilwhit220 Күн бұрын
​@@TriAngulumAudioStudios that is the pattern. That there is no pattern. I understand what the video is about. But we can fall back to navy logic thanks to Roddenberry and his influence on the show. There is no pattern because we used to number our tanks in order of creation. That let the Germans know how many tanks we had so they knew what they needed to counter.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
No you clearly didnt, as the lack of pattern does not = a pattern. That's called Random, the absence of a pattern 🙄 And Roddenberry's Influence over Trek ended LONG ago, way before so many Reg Numbers were made!
@neilwhit220
@neilwhit220 Күн бұрын
@TriAngulumAudioStudios then I will sit back and wait for you to tell me why the registry numbers never match and are always random. It has nothing to do with the fact that starfleet was based around American naval vessels. It has no ties to or eludes to naval battles. Specially submarine combat. We didn't see the following series hold on to that theme long after Rodenberry lost influence. Nothing I've said hasn't been spoken of by creators throughout the years at all. I think in your effort to argue with me you missed the point of your video. You asked. I answered. You got your pattern.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Once again, the absence of a pattern is NOT a pattern Lol And the reason for a Random set of numbers is meaningless here as the WHOLE POINT OF THE VIDEO which you missed, is what PATTERN there could be, and what these specific numbers mean to the vessels! Im future please pay better attention and try opening your ears! It will save you from embarrassment! (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear to prevent OP from continuing an non related argument that is just nonsense)
@Cenan80
@Cenan80 Күн бұрын
I remember a Star Trek RPG that I used to follow that suggested one explanation for the 'off-registries' being related to construction contracts being canceled but the name and registry were still on the books so it ended up getting plastered onto a different hull, which might take a while for Starfleet to get around to. Bureaucracy at its finest.
@rochedl
@rochedl Күн бұрын
I remember hearing somewhere that real world navies don't have linear numbering system so opposing nations don't have exact number of the number of ships in the class.
@emperorofscelnar8443
@emperorofscelnar8443 Күн бұрын
USS Enterprise NCC-1701 United StarShip Enterprise Naval Construction Contract 1701
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Again incorrect as the video already proves!
@emperorofscelnar8443
@emperorofscelnar8443 Күн бұрын
I thought the first two digits where the model number and the last two numbers where the number of ships.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Then you thought wrong! :P
@emperorofscelnar8443
@emperorofscelnar8443 Күн бұрын
I thought the Constitution Class was the 17th model and I thought the Constitution was 00 and the Enterprise was 01.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Nope, as the video explains, you are incorrect!
@TrentonBennett
@TrentonBennett Күн бұрын
Great video as usual. Over the years I've noticed all the crazy Starfleet ship registries...it's been extremely mind boggling to say the least. I've stopped trying to make sense of it after a while.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
You and me both! LOL
@AphexWebb
@AphexWebb Күн бұрын
NCC = Not Comprehensively Conceived
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
LOL amen!
@cjadams7434
@cjadams7434 Күн бұрын
other than the obligatory NCC 1031 (halloween reference evidently) - these are pretty much future license plates from the DMV lol
@Kiyosuki
@Kiyosuki Күн бұрын
It’s weird, but for me the big registry number in front is like the “face” of the starship. Without it, fed starships look strange…like if a person had no face.
@ricknick5318
@ricknick5318 Күн бұрын
They do it like school buses the year and the number year it was made number it was ordered
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Sorry, but that theory doesn't work at all!
@kyleking284
@kyleking284 Күн бұрын
Gene Roddenberry got inspiration of the registy off the tailwing of a Cessna when he noticed "NC"- followed by numbers, then put in an extra "C" to make it look cool😎 but numbers are numbers they make the ships we love look Great, they are numerous, and we shouldn't try to figure them out just enjoy it😁😁😁 Thanks for a MOST INTERESTING VIDEO😁😁👍👍 😊 "Live long, and Prosper"❤❤👍😁
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
The whole point of Trek is to male us think and TRY to figure things out though! And thank you very much 😁
@anwarsentinel1752
@anwarsentinel1752 Күн бұрын
I think only UFP use registry numbers (it might be an internal thing) Rest of the galaxy don't use them (correct me if I'm wrong)
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
Yes, you are incorrect! Vulcan, El Aurian, Yridian all have their own version of Registry numbers, and that's just naming a few! Even the Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians all have Reg Numbers!
@anwarsentinel1752
@anwarsentinel1752 Күн бұрын
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I can understand fed members but I've never seen any Klingon romulan or cardassian registry numbers on screen or referenced on screen by the main cast members.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
They are referenced many times on screen on various panel readouts from TNG on!
@anwarsentinel1752
@anwarsentinel1752 Күн бұрын
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios which episodes?
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
There are countless episodes but you can start with DS9's "Image in the Sand" and TNG's "The Wounded" Registry numbers for ships like the Klingon IKS Fek'lhr (454435), Romulan warbird Tomal (19386), and a Cardassian warship (324384950). So again, you're incorrect... And in future, if you don't want to actually be proven wrong, don't comment... Im not here to lie to you you know, and your comment suggested an open mind, when in actuality it was closed AF! Take care
@TheMule47
@TheMule47 Күн бұрын
outliers aside, the numbers generally do form ranges. I think it was a mistake in early TNG to jump so far in the registry number range, from 2000s being the "new" numbers from the TOS movies to TNG era new ships being 71000s onwards. i do like that "lost era" built ships, like all those Excelsiors (42000s), Mirandas (31000s), and Ambassadors (10000s). if i had it all to do over again, i'd stick to the Matt Jeffreies pattern for the number part, and have the prefix letters have some significance, like it is with real life navies. NCC meaning a heavy cruiser design, like how the real life USS Enterprise's registry was CVN-65 indicating an aircraft carrier with nuclear power. also pet peeve of mine at 4:33 mispronouncing the name of the dreadnought USS Entente ("Ohn-Tahnt") it's a name of French origins, referring to the Entente Cordial, the treaty alliance that formed the basis of the Entente Powers of UK, France, Russia, and eventually the US during the First World War.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
First off, Registry Numbers do NOT form ranges, as this video, and simple research has proven... This comment is a clear example of the lack of factual basis for some Trek fans comments, seeing only what they WANT to believe... Second of all, in Trek, It's Entente (Ohn-Tahnt-Tay")NOT ("Ohn-Tahnt") in Trek as is clearly heard in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Again simple research would have saved you endless hours of pet peeve dwelling! Your assumption, that it is "a name of French origins, referring to the Entente Cordial" is therefore incorrect, and certainly not substantiated in Canon or Beta Canon... In other words, your assumptions are not facts... In future please do better research!
@TheMule47
@TheMule47 Күн бұрын
well, that's...alright then.... the Trek registry numbers do generally fall into a range more often than not; often enough to it seem tantalizing that there might be some way to perfectly explain them, even though really there isn't. production and art designers like Mike Okuda tried to make it consistent, but there are enough outliers that i do ultimately agree with your point that it doesn't matter. but if your going to see a ship in the Disco season one era it's probably NCC-12xx of NCC-14xx, or a ship that was launched in the TNG era its going to be NCC-71xxx or higher, or a Miranda seen in the TNG era is NCC-31xxx. there are outliers (Discovery herself being an outlier, NCC-1031 just because Bryan Fuller loved Halloween so much). More often than not, but it really doesn't matter. that was what i was trying to say, i'm sorry if i didn't make that clear. I was more lamenting the jump to the 70,000s by the TNG era, i don't particularly like five digit registry numbers. and sure, in the indistinct comms chatter in ST:TMP some voice says "USS Entente" and even though it is spelled the same in Federation Standard as the French word for 'understanding' and the name of own of the major alliances of a historical Earth conflict, maybe the dreadnought is actually named for the Arcturian Megadonkey who once saved Starbase 47 from a cheese-based plague who pronounced it "In-Tent-Ay" and so the dreadnought proudly pronounces it the same way. maybe that was the intent for Entente? :) or maybe some voice artist just mispronounced it? Shatner infamously pronounced the piratical aliens "Oar-Ee-Ans" in the TAS episode "Pirates of Orion." maybe they were some splinter faction? has Lower Decks made a joke about that? your videos are a lot of fun, but maybe you should take your own advice and take things with a little bit of stardust.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
No worries, Im not upset or angry, merely pointing out your mistakes... It is a false and defensive reaction to project emotions on to someone elses comment, the same type of incorrect assumption you made about the Entente... I take all my Trek work with a grain of stardust, but that doesnt mean Im going to allow someone to trickle nonsense, or use assumptions as fact! In future you might want to consider that and do actual research, before commenting! Take care!
@Starfoxfan-rg6iz
@Starfoxfan-rg6iz Күн бұрын
honestly the federation class dreadnought does make me wonder what the nx, excelsior, ambassador and sovereign classes would look like if they had a dreadnought variant though we do know what the galaxy class would look like thanks to the galaxy x class dreadnought being a thing
@TerrisH20
@TerrisH20 Күн бұрын
I wonder if the Origional numbers for the ship are related in some part to where the ship was built?
@Stlaind
@Stlaind Күн бұрын
I do wonder if there wasn't originally a meaning to indicate purchasing programs or something where ship construction across the contract might be planned and budgeted for years ahead of time. But, then Starfleet realized the the registry could give information and they tooks steps to confuse it, perhaps encoding information numbers in with meaningless numbers.
@garyobrian3597
@garyobrian3597 Күн бұрын
Mat Jefferies had a good explanation for registry NCC-1700 constitution class prototype NCC-1701 enterprise second ship of the constitution class and so forth But if you watch the old series you have other constitution class with 1600 reg numbers so that's out the window. Or the theory that the oberth class came into production around the tail end of the old series end and around the motion picture time frame because of the low three digit reg
@jpxenovore
@jpxenovore Күн бұрын
I honestly wish there were no registry numbers at all if the creators weren't going to have any logic behind them. Maybe that's the Vulcan in me lol
@CHASEMARC
@CHASEMARC Күн бұрын
the constellation could now be part of the other class from Strange New Worlds that looks like a constitution class but smaller
@stainlesssteelfox1
@stainlesssteelfox1 Күн бұрын
I'm going to say the original Yamato fought the Gamilon Empire and as such had it's name passed down the same way Enterprise has.
@Peaceforall20111
@Peaceforall20111 Күн бұрын
Being a data nerd finding patterns in numbers is fun
@marxisttheoryandlore
@marxisttheoryandlore Күн бұрын
Not that Starfleet cares about security risks in general, but having systematic calculatable registry numbers could give enemies a hint about the numbers and composition of the ships in Starfleet. I expect the full explanation for the way the registry numbers seem sometimes systemetized and other times completely random is something like different shipyards have different methods for assigning registries, some of which are systematic and others are completely random. It gives the best of both worlds because it gives the impression of a system but if you try to figure it out you have to come up with increasingly complicated and insane methods that don't really bestow useful information
@terriblecertainity
@terriblecertainity Күн бұрын
even as as kid, I remember being confused about the registry of the Grissom..guess I've always been a pedantic nerd
@TriAngulumAudioStudios
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Күн бұрын
You and me both!
@adamkorin5863
@adamkorin5863 Күн бұрын
Behind the scenes The USS Constellation is a toy model of The USS Enterprise. The decals in turn were just jumbled around to NCC 1017. As for the story, I would say that the constellation 1017 was not the 1st starship to bear the name Constellation. Maybe it was the 2nd or 3rd. As touched on, not all subsequent ships always had a A, B, C etc attached to it. What is a little annoying is that the DS9 defiant, constellation class constellation etc does not keep the original registry numbers, but has entirely new ones. Not that this can be viewed as cannon but the model of what is thought to be The USS Stargazer in Picards ready room is NCC 7100 We can easily go around in circles on this trying to clean cobwebs of understanding, while other cobwebs are coming up. Guess we just want it to be organised and chronological, but we didn't get that.
@shaunchapman887
@shaunchapman887 Күн бұрын
It's not so much that the registry number is meaningless as it is randomized. Like a bar code, each registration needs to be unique, and if it gets a '-A,B,C...' it is indicating a new ship continuing g the ongoing mission of its predecessor of the same registration, be it a new ship of the same class because the original was lost with no salvageable parts (Yorktown became Enterprise -A), or new design that to replace a retiring or lost older ship (Enterprises -B through -F), or a legacy registration being used to honor a historical ship of distinguished service (Voyager -J)