Exposing The Biggest Rip-Off In Cycling.

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[@davenaylor2000]

Not surprised you need a tub that size. Look at the bike behind you😳

[@davenaylor2000]

@@thevoid6818 Sounds like you use the same one with that username 🤣

[@timbullman1991]

It's an air saddle it's right nest to the air guitar hanging on the wall.

[@annelisenorth8670]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Too funny...😂😅😢

[@steinanderson9849]

you win the internet today

[@SoulClubCoffee]

if Udder Cream was invented for cows then why do you never see a cow riding a bike smdh

[@martinbower2915]

well played, this wins 👏👏

[@danielsekera3525]

No thumbs

[@merqury5]

You must never have had a milkshake, of course they ride!

[@ipaxton]

@@merqury5 Udderly funny

[@bendenisereedy7865]

Chamois cream is just a standard emulsion of water with oils and waxes. A bit of zinc oxide suppresses bacteria along with the usual biocides you'll find in any emulsion. And yes, udder cream is the same stuff without the perfume and a fancy label. Sudocrem is probably the best cream for sore skin.

[@lesliereissner4711]

I have used store-brand diaper rash cream for years after discovering that cyclist-specific chamois cream uses the same ingredients. Probably not as inexpensive as this udder cream but works well. I think American friends are using Bag Balm, which is also an udder cream. Probably the biggest rip-off in cycling is $350 jerseys!

[@Older_Mountain-goat_1984]

I think the primary way business people make money is ripping others off. And two main reasons why they get away with it are ( generally speaking) 1. People are socially conditioned to believe this is how much products cost to manufacture and shelve for public consumption. 2. People don't take the small amount of time and effort to research and test to realise they're being grossly ripped off. The same scam is happening with wax chain lubes. I make my own hot and cold wax lubes - common parrafin wax with 1.6 micron PTE powder. Costs a fraction compared to any manufacturer's offerings. $350 for a jersey...not surprised. How about $120AU for a pair of full rubber thongs\flip-flops from a surf shop. I prefer winter riding. Current route is 42km XC on an old 26" Avanti HT. Instead of blowing hundreds on "specialised" winter wear, I spent $60 on Bonds thermal underwear, a pair of longjohns + long sleeved pullover. If it's "specialised" it'll most likely be grossly marked up.

[@songfta]

Bag Balm is petroleum based which will *destroy* your synthetic chamois in your pricey cycling shorts. The udder cream that Dan talks about here is similar to Chamois Butt'r in that it's not based on petroleum jelly.

[@chrishawyes1476]

Thank you for keeping us abreast.

[@Brainreaver79]

wow,.. that was painfull... put 10bucks in the pun jar

[@timstriathlonjourneys7575]

I wasn’t aware that cows rode bikes till they came home!

[@user-np8oz3zh1s]

Oh this is funny. I used Google translate to translate "udder cream" to the Dutch "uier crème", and to my surprise this stuff is sold everywhere here for people. They literally use the name "udder cream" for a consumer product! I guess there are a lot of farmers here, and they discovered this trick a long time ago.

[@jameseastwood402]

be careful though, I bought some when bikepacking in the netherlands and it wasn't the same stuff, super greasy and got really hot!

[@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene]

Been cycling 56 years raced pro in ultra-marathon, my longest race a 5150 kilometer non-stop time trial. But training at 2500K a month I had to have a perfect answer for all contact points on the bike. Chamois cream was then just something for those who used a leather (natural) chamois in their shorts. I used a synthetic and so never used a cream in my life. So shorts back then were something we didn't think about much, they functioned perfectly with a very thin layer of anti-friction material and the lycra fabric. Interfacing the shorts with a Brooks leather saddle completed a contact point that served me well even in a 10 day non stop time trial. Today all we get from EVERY manufacturer is THICK padded shorts like wearing a diaper, not supposed to have padding, the thick padding have thick seams at the edge even when taperd. So, today I have all kinds of problems, and I can't buy the simple shorts I used 40 years ago so effectively. After trying 30 different brands and shapes of shorts over the last 10 years of this "padding" fiasco, I am buyinig a sewing machine next year and will be making all my own cycling clothes. WTF happened to this market where every cycling business makes all the same junk? The shorts need to be thin and air circulating so you are dry all the time, being wet is where the problems begin, the skin wet combined with friction will create soars very quickly. So my old Canondale shorts with a millimeter of anti-friction layer and just good fitting lycra is what I am returning to. Padding? Where did that come from? Padded saddles and padded shorts are a massive problem for cyclists. A thin breathable short and a saddle that perfectly matches your sit bones solves this problem.

[@atmywitsend1984]

Great advice. I am the most sweaty cyclist I know,and have been cycling for close to 50 years and I too prefer the less padded shorts. I haven't done the distances you have,but I have many days in the saddle over 10 hours,and thankfully I have never had saddle sore. Maybe it is pot luck. I totally agree with the excessive padding on modern shorts.

[@batmonkey]

Agree, used to ride a lot in such shorts, never had saddle sores, and never understood why people would want to add creams down there. A thin padding layer that conforms to - and is pulled close around - your body just obviously seems superior to thicker layers that will crease, displace, and hold moisture.

[@LADavis-ih3ok]

Yep, remember those actual chamios in shorts. Even after many, many rides and washing the shorts with actual chamios, I had little or no discomfort.

[@marcelginter209]

try everve ezero. no padding at all...

[@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene]

@@marcelginter209 Still need an anti-friction layer, without it, there will be heat from the friction and problems.

[@matkrek]

This is udderly briliant!

[@TriathlonDan]

I’m moo-ved with your kind words :)

[@DanTuber]

@@TriathlonDan i'm too much of a cow-ward to use a cream

[@torontocycling]

12 gr/ride?! I use "SSASSOS" as well for a similar number of rides/year but I only go through one a year. Chances are the problem is somewhere else? I.e., bibs, saddle, bike fit, etc. ?

[@d_charles]

I switched to Noxzema at Chris Horner's recommendation. Not as cheap as udder cream, but about a quarter of the cost of the branded stuff ($10 CAD for 340g)

[@janemf]

have you thought about putting a saddle and chain on that bike?

[@marklee3248]

You need a sponsorship! Imagine discount codes for udder cream. That's when you know you've reached the big time 😂

[@TriathlonDan]

I’ve been waiting for the cash cow to come along 😂😂

[@marklee3248]

@@TriathlonDan boom boom

[@cornishcat11]

@@TriathlonDan boo lol

[@AKandfriends-yt2yz]

tit

[@glennwilliams5869]

Brilliant article. Thanks for sharing. One question please - does this stuff have a strong smell?

[@markbphilip]

The video we didn't know we needed but the video we deserved! How does it far for Triathlon use? I use Bepanthen for Triathlon, it seems to stand up well to being applied pre-race and still working on the bike after getting soaked in the swim.

[@JibbaJabber]

Great info and consumer research👍 Question: Do you also find it useful both pre - and post ride😉 For proper aero gains, have you tried slathering in on and buttering yourself up? BTW, is one hand softer than the udder? Not gonna lie, was gigling at this beginning to end like a school kid.

[@jameseastwood402]

At the bottom of my cow cream. Time for a new pot!

[@TriathlonDan]

@@jameseastwood402 could this also be a nappy rash cream hack??? 🤣

[@mvp_kryptonite]

I can’t see the video you mentioned at the beginning and it was just an image and not a link.. any playlists with them?

[@sylv_ain]

Gonna have to try that. Although not sure where to get that in canada

[@ariffau]

Sounds great, but do they smell as good from cycling specific brands? Also, do they damage the chamois and/or bibs’ lyrca?

[@erickmeadows6309]

This is fantastic information, I can’t wait to try it. Thank you!!

[@erikmmartens]

This is so insane. I literally had saddle sores for the first time just a week ago, due to chafing with my Selle Italia Watt Gel Superflow saddle. I‘m just getting started with chamois creme and then you drop this video and it gets recommended to me…

[@billcooper2798]

How do I get some of this product?

[@muratmustafa4532]

I recently started using a cream. I found it most useful on rides longer than 1.5 hours or 50 km. So, I do not use it on shorter rides which is 50 % of my rides. That way it last longer. While I agree that it would be beneficial for shorter rides too, it feels so much faffing around for short rides.

[@kevinpower5880]

I use the same udder cream (love the smell, reminds me of growing up on a farm). However in hotter weather I found it a bit thin and less effective. I use chamois buttr in hot weather as it seems to last longer.

[@RoissyAngel]

The danger of buying those large tubs is bacteria growing in the cream. I think you need to be very careful about scooping the cream out of the big tub. Use a clean, dry spoon, move a required blob size to a bowl and then use fingers from bowl to your bits. If you keep sticking your fingers into the big tub you may cause bacteria to flourish and thus find yourself with a different kind of painful skin problem.

[@EastbayGolfer]

It has antibacterial properties built in

[@marcdaniels9079]

This assumes that you have these hazardous bacteria either in your hands or on your nether regions. The reality is our skin is crawling with bacteria of some sort constantly.

[@RoissyAngel]

@@marcdaniels9079 Exactly. We are constantly exposed to bacteria and viruses. They fester and grow in the right conditions. If you infect a giant tub of cream with something nasty then you are going to be constantly rubbing that nasty onto your skin for as long as your giant tub of nasty is used. Best of luck with that.

[@kennethdarlington]

Great finding. Thanks!

[@TriathlonDan]

Moo-velous, glad to be of help :)

[@matthewwhetton4326]

Slightly disappointed you didn't smear one half in Udder cream and one half in cyclist's taint cream! Loving the recommendation though

[@TriathlonDan]

I'll chew the cud on this for next time ;)

[@UKBROOKLYN]

Struggling to understand how you are able to go through so much chamois cream in one year..???

[@michaelmappin4425]

Right? I ride 5 to 8000 miles a year and don't use a quarter that much.

[@ElTagno]

@@michaelmappin4425 5 miles to 8000 miles is quite a big range.

[@genegroover3721]

​@@michaelmappin4425 I have been a nurse x 27 years. The bio-variability between people is amazing. The degrees of sensitivity in people's skin is beyond imagination. His skin is probably a lot more sensitive than your skin. Degrees of thickness of the different layers of the skin probably plays a large part.

[@Guernica-Green]

Big bum = more cream

[@UKBROOKLYN]

@@genegroover3721 Its is still a phenominal amount of cream any way you try and excuse it..

[@Quizmate1]

Yes Udder Cream or any neutral emollient cream like Doublebase, Cetraben, E45 etc will work perfectly fine.

[@richardjones2006]

Literally, udder cream from an agricultural merchants is the same stuff give ot take and a fraction of the price.

[@ysarn]

Emollient creams are not thick enough for use as a chamois cream, as they get absorbed into the skin. The idea of a chamois cream is that it is not absorbed and forms an anti-friction layer on the surface of the skin. You need a barrier cream for this use. Sudocream and Conotrane (£10 for 500g) are the cheaper options if not using udder cream. The other barrier creams that you get on prescription are silly expensive, such as LBF which is £15 for 100g tube. As a medical thing these are used to stop pressure sores, so are of course the ideal thing for use. I am a dispenser at a pharmacy, so deal with this sort of stuff regularly.

[@Quizmate1]

@ysarn Rubbish, professional teams use Doublebase, as do I. There are no issues and works perfectly.

[@ysarn]

@@Quizmate1 Yes, Doublebase is noticeably more slippy and slidey than those other emollient creams mentioned, and is marketed as a gel rather than a cream, so I will agree with you there. Having tried it on my hands as an emollient hated it, as it is so slippy.

[@Quizmate1]

@ysarn agreed, it's too slippy for the hands or face I find. It's best used on the torso, arms, and legs, I think. Something like Cetraben is better for the hands and face. Interestingly, a poor fitting pair of shorts / chamois will chaff whatever cream you're using, I think.

[@ahnilatedahnilated7703]

I typically just use Jergen's moisturizer. Works wonders for me and not super expensive here in the US. Thanks for the testing.

[@Seiskid]

This is a great idea. And had me in stiches. Awesome bit of research.

[@korsveien]

It’s even more insane if you look at moisturizing cream for women. Mostly it’s just added perfume compared to udder cream, but price per gram is like a thousand times more. As a funny side note in a Norwegian blind test of moisture creams the udder cream won.

[@Lankysprinter]

The real question is do you now slide onto a milking machine? Do your teats get sore?

[@paulreid2466]

I use decathlon's friction cream. A tube lasts me probably about a year and costs about £7. Fortunately I only need to use a very small amount on the areas where a seem or the edge of the padding chafs on longer rides.

[@alextorresphoto]

Amazing idea!!! Can’t believe I missed the video from last year!! Found a 4lb tub cheap online!!

[@skippa1976]

You must be trowling it on to get through that much!

[@1afterthep]

one fingertip of cream is enough, how much are you using????? you don't have to cover your whole butt. I use one tube a year for 7.99€, riding 20k km+ a year

[@Frostbiker]

6:34 Living in Canada our family goes through a ton of moisturizing cream. This may be a good uddernative.

[@kenlaw7503]

40 odd years ago when padding was genuine chamois, used nothing but udder cream from the local farmers cooperative😁

[@frankvehafric5062]

In US drugstores I've seen a product for dry skin called "Bag Balm" which I assumed had it's origins in a type of udder cream. I imagine there 's any number of farm and ranch supply stores in the US and Canada that have a lot of similar products.

[@BikepackingAdventures]

Holy cow! Moo-ve over Martin Lewis.

[@TriathlonDan]

@@BikepackingAdventures milking the budget for all it’s worth

[@crossrich]

Thanks again for this, I switched to udder cream after your last video. it's fantastic. Now time for you to switch to sugar water (with bit of salt, maybe half a lemon) instead of the next most expensive rip off l, carb drinks!

[@germanhugger41]

Thanks Dan. Couple of years ago I went to an Agri- supply outlet here in Ireland and purchased some udder cream that had insect repellent, just never quite worked up the courage to use the stuff and continued to buy the over priced Swiss Ass cream at €20 per small tub.. The Battles Udder cream from a local Agri - store 9 miles away is a much more reasonable €29 for the 1.1 kilo tub..

[@brickstotrips]

Does it have a sell by date Dan? That’s a big tub 😂!!

[@ScottWaltonDev]

I switched over on your advice last year and it's a game changer! I don't think I'll be buying the 5kg tub though!

[@TriathlonDan]

Moo-sic to my ears! 5kg is a bit hoof-er the top ;)

[@russellmoore1533]

Back in the 80s and 90s I used to use a product called Silcon by Faulding, it doesn't appear to be available anymore. It was originally used for bed sores etc.

[@bobbyellis5006]

How in god's name are you using so much? I know people who ride that much who get through half a tube of cream in a year. Like, i applaud your research but maybe your next venture should be to look for a new saddle or something.

[@lvdovicvs]

I thought this, too. I hadn't ever used chamois cream and last year had a fairly irritating rash-took months to heal. I started using Triple Paste this year, essentially very thick zinc oxide, and have no issues at all. And I only use about a pea-sized amount in total per ride.

[@buntbar2438]

100 Bucks for a Liter of nappy change cream is criminal. I did not know people would buy that. 😂😂😂 Great Video!

[@simonalexandercritchley439]

Haha, I was about to say pull the udder one.... I'm in New Zealand will check this out (lots of dairy farms here.) was using vaseline for a while but this has become like gold. Molasses you can get from farm supplies at a fraction of supermarket price.

[@waterside13]

I was recently caught stealing a tub of Udder Cream by a lady dairy farmer here in New Zealand. She reported me to the police, what a Cow!

[@mattbarnes3047]

Bought the 5kg tub to try 😂 me and the wife are happy with it. Also at the price we are happy to use more cream which also makes a difference!

[@PaDaZ83]

Great video, gonna give it a try

[@travisevans7502]

A little bag balm for your bag lol😆

[@pbalerig]

Your video makes me laugh. Will try it out. great video.

[@better.better]

also it's probably just lanolin as the base, with, as you said antiseptics and antimicrobials added in, here in the US we have a product called "Working Hands", ... same thing, probably even the same company

[@lvdovicvs]

How often do you need to be milked after using this?

[@TAP1992]

Dude, that’s a lot of cream !!! But if it helps, thanks for the heads up

[@TriathlonDan]

No worries, just trying to milk the best advice for you 👍

[@bikepackingadventure7913]

As long as no one tries to milk me, I’m all for it 😳 😂

[@jonathanhoare9006]

Looks like I’m going to my local farmers supply store and getting some udder cream! Likes and subscribed! You bloody Legend!!!

[@EMTBAFV]

1 top tip Big bottle Diprobase on prescription 😂 keeps you going for the whole year

[@HeyWattsUpCycling]

never used cream one single time in my ~20years. also ride on a bare carbon saddle. Trim or shave your entire area regularly and before you hop on the bike use a diaper wipe and scrub the hell out of yourself before you put your bibs on.

[@charlesmansplaining]

Brilliant. You are a real cycling Bro. I too have always used Assos, well I tried other brands including Noxema, but always went back to Assos. I don't like the price and always having to order online so I'm going to give a tub of Udder Cream a shot. Thankx.

[@ForestCyclingAdventures]

I bought a 200ml pot in 2011.. it's still half full 😮 I guess I use it sparingly.

[@richardcooper8997]

Morgan Blue solid cream, £16 a tub - but a tub lasts me 9 months (106 rides). Put it on skin rather than the chamois, it's the best I've ever used. It's more like a wax than a cream. I'm probably just paying over the odds for vaseline!

[@TriathlonDan]

@@richardcooper8997 I tried that one a while ago, it is a lot thicker isn’t it! I don’t think Vaseline would wash out very well

[@adriansmith5446]

I believe it's lanolin based. Which explains why I used to have to sit on a poly bag to avoid staining the upholstery of friends and family. 🤣 Unbeatable in the wet and for longevity but the resulting permanently infused lanolin 'chamois' did it for me.

[@goldenretriever6261]

I go bare back. What you need cream for?

[@markifi]

long rides?

[@arthurd6495]

This is the funniest cycling video I've ever seen!! 🤣🤣 Also, I'm going to be buying Udder Cream! 🤣🤣

[@vfclists]

Udderly brilliant😁😁 Note the cheesy grin, comes from highly productive cows.

[@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte]

TRY SHEA BUTTER all natural an $20 us 20lbs but urs is def IM TRYING

[@TriathlonDan]

Moo-ch appreciated!

[@JamesEllisPT]

the dedication.... to make a video about this! but agreed, I stopped wasting £££ on these a come of years ago, I just use basic aqueous cream it does the same thing

[@roguecode2354]

It is like this in all industries, for example you can get a giant container of acetone or buy a small bottle for nail polish remover at a higher price.

[@CenaSitnica]

20 pounds for 200g?! Morgan blue solid chamois cream for about 9 pounds where i live. Used about half a tube in 2 years, for cycling and swimming in a wetsuit. Had to look udder cream up.. 1kg for 20 punds and it has a pump! 😂 Need to try it! 🤣

[@CesarFalco]

this is a great video, thanks!!

[@daviddjerassi]

HAHAHA love the video and the savings Thank you.

[@J053GL3Z]

Another nice option is diapper cream. Not as cheap as udder cream but cheaper than chamois cream and easy to find.

[@jlevesque41]

You just saved me enough for my next Zwift membership! Big thanks!

[@goldenretriever6261]

Dude must be layering it on like a peanut butter sandwich if hes going through that much.

[@markifi]

right?! i use about a 100 grams of coconut oil a year, if even that much

[@thomasfitzgibbon1675]

Triathletes…

[@golamchowdhury3789]

i loved the scientific method and data you gathered - thank you for sharing

[@htukmumfie]

Cheers. Love this idea

[@ianross5019]

What a revelation! I’m going to try it.

[@AbiShafi]

I use E45 cream works for me! 😎

[@GDub83]

I just buy a big tub of petroleum jelly with aloe and use about a tablespoon of that. No problems at all. I ride 100 miles a week and do a couple of centuries a year. It's super cheap.

[@scottbaker9200]

I grew up in rural America. Hence I’ve used udder cream for hands, feet, and now my @$&! I’m new to cycling. Thanks for the reminder. I have a tub of it already.😊

[@CharlieCarbsandCycling]

this is iconic content

[@onederment]

utterly buttered ... good thinking. Love the Felt and i subscribed

[@Watchheath]

Wow that’s awesome great tip 👍

[@mjharrisleeds]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 awesome . I'm sold, sign me up .

[@musicman5075]

Squirt Barrier Balm works very well. It is thick and a tub lasts a long time. Only used it on rides upto 600km - couldn't vouch for how well it works on long rides

[@iandarcy905]

Omg dan I am moooooooving over to this udderly brilliant product . Not going for milk this any more 😂😂😂😂

[@timident]

Love your work….. literally putting your nuts on the block!!!

[@prowlertf34]

I've never used shami cream.

[@russellcarter6699]

Been using udder cream for 2 years now... even found one that smells good. Cheap as chips in big tubs from local farming supplies shop.

[@CycleXplorer]

Ha love it. May have to give it a go 🐄

[@TriathlonDan]

Moosic to my ears!

[@robbiecryer958]

Never used it but have used my baby boy's sudocream after long rides to good effect.

[@harrybbbb]

Been riding a bike for 50 years. Longest ride over 200 miles. Regularly do 10,000 miles a year. I’ve never used any cream. What’s wrong with me?

[@jucaesar4961]

For me I only had to start using some cream after developing 2 sore spots down there in a 1000km ultra race that I then had to scratch because of pain sitting in the saddle after 850km. So if you don't have a problem, don't worry.

[@leannevandekew1996]

I tried using Eucerin. It dissolved the glue on my leather saddle.

[@KyrosHouseCycling]

Bought the 1kg tub last week, used it on 2 rides on Zwift, it’s actually really good!!! Easy to put on, super slick, doesn’t smell the best, but works the same. GO AND BUY SOME!!!

[@thorwinhh]

I think you have misunderstood the use of cycling chamois cream. Its purpose is not to reduce friction but to protect your skin from infections. It’s also good to use after the ride. The whole friction thing is something from the past and has been refuted. Jan Ullrich talked about this in a podcast. They used to put a lot of cream on the cycling shorts, but nobody in the peloton does this anymore. So, if you see it as a skin protection cream, you only need one fingertip per long ride.

[@willishuang3660]

At least in the US, this seems to cost almost the same as the not-top end chamois creams, so not a big savings, unfortunately.

[@TriathlonDan]

That’s a bummer, might be a case of grazing around for better deals at farm supple stores 🤣

[@alextorresphoto]

I would check Amazon. Found a tub on there for cheap.

[@Ultegra10SPD]

Ive been on noxema skin cream for couple yrs and its tubs are much less than ‘sassos’, ‘dutter’ or ‘theez butz’. -U10

[@guy5paris]

Brillant idea!

[@gresleymccaslin5948]

Brilliant Mate…couldnt stop laughing…….but thats me converted…..🎉