Tribe STOLE His Airplane!!

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@djquick Ай бұрын

I live in AZ. Based on this and some other experiences from fellow local pilots, I will not be flying to Indian airports again. Screw this shit.

@banjo2019 Ай бұрын

Good. They don’t want you there and as a fellow Arizonan neither do I. Especially if you’re the type of pilot that you decide to land at prohibited private strips that are clearly marked as such on the sectional. I suggest having a good understanding of the law of trespass, what prior permission means, and how to respect laws of different jurisdictions you choose to fly into.

@xenadu02 Ай бұрын

Did you look into the story? He called and got prior permission. His mistake was not getting that in writing.

@wlbrobinson 27 күн бұрын

@@xenadu02 Even so it was a private strip, they play games like oh there is a $10K landing fee. Read how many bad experiences folks including myself have had on Reservations. The public airports on Reservations can be in such bad condition that you are worried about getting out safely.

@raysutton2310 Ай бұрын

Perhaps working through FFA to get the airstrip closed would be a course of action; it protects other pilots and impacts the tribal revenue thereby punishing bad behavior.

@xenadu02 Ай бұрын

This is a good reminder to get written permission to land, or at least an email. His mistake was trusting the phone call. A quick "do you mind emailing me a permit or just a summary of what we discussed so I have a piece of paper proving I'm authorized to land?" can avoid problems.

@alex_skywagon Ай бұрын

I need a map to follow this story. Happy you got the plane back.

@TheBarzook Ай бұрын

About the key thing, the barrels in these old airplanes are so worn-out, you can usually try a few keys and one will eventually work and turn the barrel. One day I left my Mooney at a new shop and forgot to leave the key. The mechanic calls me a few hours later to tell me they changed this and that and did the run-up and everything is great. I asked him how he was able to start it without the key. He said I tried a few and the 4th one worked.

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

Wow. good to know.

@erichildebrandt9490 Ай бұрын

I forgot to leave my piper keys with the shop. My mechanic said not to worry because he had a few keys laying around that should work. Yep, he got it.

@HBSunsets-on2ke Ай бұрын

Dan, great debrief! Can u get us guidance on how to to get this airport designated as EMER ONLY on charts / Echarts? Let’s deprive this fraudulent airport of their status of being “private but accessible “ I’m sure William was not their first victim. (Seizure for profit)? Auctions etc?

@jims3276 Ай бұрын

Power corrupts… absolute power corrupts absolutely

@KevinSmithAviation Ай бұрын

Wow, what a story. Excellent podcast Dan. The takeaway for me is to avoid tribal land airports all together. I couldn't imagine the stress and financial impacts this had on William. Thank you for the great interview. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️

@Studentofgosset 23 күн бұрын

Or you know, get permission first, or at the very least leave when the police call you and tell you to remove your plane. This guy didn't want his vacation cut short so he didn't move the plane and found it boxed in days later.

@themelancholicpaganmusicco2980 Ай бұрын

Man, imagine if those Native American tribes stole your property…

@kyussfan6 Ай бұрын

Good to see a little bit of perspective in this hateful comment section full of “pilots.”

@kmg501 Ай бұрын

My suspicion is that the woman who expressed a desire to steal the plane is the ring leader of troubles in that tribe and the one who is making them look bad. Otherwise they sound like perfectly normal people to me.

@cuprum166 Ай бұрын

I guess a way to look at it is the Tribal Nations behave as tiny Banana Republics. Everyone in government jobs try to outrank each other no matter the cost.

@leonardwagner8541 Ай бұрын

A hair dryer or heat gun will soften up the adhesive on the stickers and to clean all the adhesive WD-40 will work. I used that method to take police insignias off of the police bike I had.

@kendodson4134 Ай бұрын

Any follow up information on the attorney, did she get her charges settled?

@Shouldwegooutside Ай бұрын

So far - No final news, but she filed for a pro-temp judge, and she has a jury trial in the next week or two I believe.

@kendodson4134 Ай бұрын

@@Shouldwegooutside thanks for the update, I hope she gets a fair trial and a favorable outcome, from your videos she appears to be a kind fair person..

@bradzeigler Ай бұрын

When I first watched his video a few weeks ago, the first indication that there was going to be a problem is when he called for permission and no discussion of fees. I could probably count on one hand the number of tribally owned airports, either public or private use, that wouldn't charge a fee for use of the airport to a non-tribe member. But I'll cut him slack; he probably didn't have reason to be suspicious of that. Also, something else I've learned over the last 30 years of flying is that if you getting permission from someone you do not know personally, get *written* permission. I've run into situations before where I was told I could land there and then someone else walked up asking me for written permission (I had gotten into the middle of an HOA leadership dispute apparently). Nothing happened of it, but it wasn't a pleasant experience.

@Studentofgosset 23 күн бұрын

Well the police called him when the tribe contacted him and told him to move his plane. He didn't want to hike out and move it so he left it there for days. And now he plays the victim.

@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Ай бұрын

This tribe has a serious reputation of using their tribal status to steal from anyone who dares give them an opportunity. By flying in there you were asking if they wanted your aircraft. The most obvious example is the Grand Canyon glass overhang. They entered into a contract to get the entire project designed and built and financing was through the business operating in the US. The vast majority of the project was finished and the tribe claimed there was an issue with the restrooms on the nearby visitor center. They cancelled the entire contract and said they are sovereign so the risk was known. There were a lot of construction companies saying they tried warning that they were a bunch of crooks. This tribe is not hurting for money by any means.

@soiboughtabus9563 Ай бұрын

Denatured alcohol and a product called goo-b-gone for removing stickers. I owned a sign shop and I currently work at a sign shop.

@FlyingNDriving Ай бұрын

I figured you'd find this guy after i saw his videos a couple weeks ago

@wlbrobinson 27 күн бұрын

Anyone who fly's (and drives) in the SW knows the tribes can cause you headaches best to avoid them and never land on a private strip on a reservation. The Scotus decisions on Indian reservations create a lot of confusion, They aren't supposed to be able to detain a non tribe member but now there is a couple exceptions. When you pass through a res don't stop at the Stores or go off the state roads, just roll through BELOW the speed limit.

@paratyshow Ай бұрын

👍✅ Now that was weird Dan

@masterthee Ай бұрын

Tribes deserve their land, but this is ridiculous. If they pull this kind of crap maybe we rethink the rezi stuff.

@andysmith8649 Ай бұрын

Sounds simple to me. The tribe is a venus fly trap and this fly got too close and got snatched.

@jhmcglynn Ай бұрын

Apologized to all the Mooney Pilots as well you should 😂 LOL. Owned an M20K for 15 years.

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

You sure it wasn't the M25? 😎

@oscarb9139 Ай бұрын

Great video.

@statecb Ай бұрын

Sounds like a Jack Reacher novel...

@yurimig253 Ай бұрын

The plucking of eagle feathers. Unfortunately we do not have the other side of the story. Were the eagle tries to escape at all costs. And keep eagle feathers unruffled. There needs to be an aviation division that specifically helps native Americans learn to fly. This should hopefully integrate the natives in to the ranks of eagles....

@wreckum56 Ай бұрын

Fish and game has to much power!

@oumasaelhadri419 Ай бұрын

You stole my land 😅 too

@hotttt28 Ай бұрын

Shouldn't have parked in the reservation !

@duncandmcgrath6290 Ай бұрын

Should’ve made a better deal with Chief Thief

@Studentofgosset 23 күн бұрын

@@duncandmcgrath6290 He didn't even get permission to land there, the person he spoke to thought he was talking about a different airfield. That guy didn't even administer the airfield he ended up landing at. And when the tribe discovered the plane they asked the police to tell the owner to remove the plane. When the police called the owner and told him to remove the plane, the guy didn't want to hike back to the plane and move it so he left it there. So it is a little more understandable from the tribe's perspective, even if you only get this guy's side of the story. Entitlement, called out.

@AZCubDriver Ай бұрын

Se googone to get the stickers off. Also a garment steamer can help.

@sharoncassell5273 Ай бұрын

Are there no regulations for tourists? Communication between tribes is nil?

@kmg501 Ай бұрын

Use Goof Off to get the sticker glue off.

@cmritchie04 Ай бұрын

can you give some airport identifiers? Microphone cuts in and out too! Try 99% isopropyl alcohol

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

Go and watch his video on his channel and you'll see which airports. And I had some issues with audio and the little bit of cutting out is actually a filter in post.

@JamesMiller-vi7ib Ай бұрын

Talk about Murphy’s Law? You were up the proverbial creek without a paddle and Indian nation is a separate entity from United States for them to treat you the way they did was really a con game in my opinion!!!. Too bad you couldn’t of paid with a credit card right upfront? but I think I’d be afraid to give them my credit card number. Very interesting story. I came very close to purchasing a Mooney many years ago. Very fine airplane; plane very fast very economical a little narrow, but I’d rather sit close and get much better fuel economy and speed. Evidently you felt the same way that’s why you purchased the aircraft. Have a great day.

@lyfandeth Ай бұрын

Seems like you should borrow either a B17 or an A10 and revisit the Fish and Game folks to return the favor.

@douglasslumen2621 Ай бұрын

Link to his videos?

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

It's in the description.

@flysport_tedder Ай бұрын

was this ai audio enhanced? "studio sound"? did someone recharge my studio monitors with helium? guessing you had to fix some big audio problems.

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

I did have some issues with audio, but no AI.

@flysport_tedder Ай бұрын

@@TakingOff all good. it just reminds me of the Premiere Pro "enhance speech" thing.

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

I will confess that I have used that feature a lot lately and on some occasions has saved my bacon.

@TakingOff Ай бұрын

The issue here was that the call-in service I used, I had it set wrong, so it recorded his audio clean, but mine was a mix. Put them together and it had issues. So as quickly as I could, I went through and cut out when I wasn't talking.

@flysport_tedder Ай бұрын

@@TakingOff aha! I could hear the weird ducking/muting. Not trying to knock your work, of course. I'm barely an amateur.

@kittytrail Ай бұрын

thought it was the usual thieving tribe... 🙄

@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 Ай бұрын

I thought it was republicans as well.

@themelancholicpaganmusicco2980 Ай бұрын

What “usual thieving tribe” did you think about?

@kittytrail Ай бұрын

@@themelancholicpaganmusicco2980 the usual thieving tribe is the usual thieving tribe, do you know another one? 👈😏

@danblumel Ай бұрын

@@kittytrail that's right, the Dems.

@themelancholicpaganmusicco2980 Ай бұрын

@@kittytrail I agree, “✝️” are the usual thieving tribes. Just ask any Native American!

@brucesummers4006 Ай бұрын

This is mafia-like behavior and should be stopped.

@masterthee Ай бұрын

What’s the tribe here? I want to make sure I avoid the land and never give them any revenue.

@bradzeigler Ай бұрын

Hualapai. They're pretty notorious for shaking down outsiders.

@larryl43 Ай бұрын

THANK YOU

@williambutler2177 Ай бұрын

Sounds like a solid reason to avoid tribal lands at all costs.

@johnnyliminal8032 Ай бұрын

Good story, and well told. I appreciate William’s restraint, his tact. Seemed merciful, which is rare in confrontations these days. I think that those two resources officers also offered mercy, with their cooperation and inquisitiveness during your departure prep time. The town is a tribe, the way that word is used worldwide, which IMO means a ~single cohesive social structure. And good on them for it, because it means they all look out for each other. My guess is that all those no-shows at court, were commanded from within that structure. Edit to add: am subd and beld on William’s channel. Looks good, Sir. I await your and your son’s cabin/tree-fort/bunker posts. Or will it be a cabin of a sailing boat, out on the deep blue sea? ~8)

@GustavLeRoux Ай бұрын

Same thing happens in Africa.

@book2market Ай бұрын

Aviators equate to wealth, and the Soapy Smiths of the world are quick to take advantage.

@tommybrown2471 Ай бұрын

Most tribes property is private property. The local tribe in south east Idaho is a sovereign nation they have arrested people and seized boats and snowmobiles for trespassing on the reservation

@justinjohnson2501 Ай бұрын

well shit at least it wasnt his mechanic!! true story!!

@rallwest Ай бұрын

Sorry, not gonna let them off this easily. Their reservation is only that, a reservation. It is NOT a separate country. If they are going to treat people of this country this way the US Government needs to revoke any and all exemptions that have been afforded to them. They are fully protected by the Government and Armed Forces of the United States, and they have been gifted exemption. If they can not comply with the laws of the United States they need to be punished. Currently any airplane that flies over their reservation is in danger of confiscation?!? I don't think so. If they wont honor our laws then we dont need to honor their laws. Knowing this I will never fly over any Indian reservation, nor will I ever enter one of their casinos, nor patron any of their businesses. Quit making excuses for these people. It doesn't matter if it is only a few. Anyone who is a representative of their tribe is exactly that, a "representative of their tribe." And they need to be responsible for their actions and held accountable for how they represent their tribe. And the reason for this is that the tribe hasn't obviously realized the enormous impact a bad apple can have on what is available for the group that is represented. you guys want to paint some rosie picture of "how wonderful the rest of them must be" but the fact is that out of the ones that you encountered, all of whom are representatives of their tribe, same as you and I are representatives of whatever associations to which we are affiliated, these actions represent their tribe. And its disgraceful. Yes, one bad apple doesn't make the bunch bad, but that bad apple needs to be removed, and if the bunch wont remove it then they are complicit in supporting the bad apple, and therefor supporting the bad apple means that the bunch is bad.