Beat League Reborn: Here's how it's going to work

[@kylebrockman2385]

The only thing I want to ask for is a return of the old " I am going to beat league of legends" soundbyte at the start of each video.

[@ironboy3245]

Agreed

[@Xeshin]

agreed

[@cristiandejesusmartinez-cl7558]

Agreed

[@SpeckyX3]

I want the better one. "I am going to beat league of legends this episodes [insert the most anger induce pleading for suffering to end]. I'm looking at you annie

[@Attackle]

Agreed

[@BrumBrumBryn]

>2014, Trinimmortal starts Beat League, where he gets a win on every skin. >2016, inspired by Trin, Gbay99 starts the Completing League series, where he hits Mastery 5 on every champion (the highest mastery you could get back then) >2025, inspired by how many skins there now are and how much it costs, Trin changes the series to getting Mastery 10 on all champions Time is a flat circle.

[@zugetzuzu]

Gbay99... Wow now that's a name I haven't heard or thought about in forever

[@ironboy3245]

​@@zugetzuzuturns out that Trin can, in fact, talk and play league at the same fucking time

[@ianaldridge7136]

He's still doing long form content, pretty good vids imo​@@zugetzuzu

[@Deathven1482]

@@zugetzuzuhe still posts! Although it’s more like documentaries now

[@Avengedtenfold]

@@Deathven1482 He's married (I think either with children or with a kid on the way?) so he doesn't have the same amount of time to playing the game. That being said, he's obviously still crazy passionate and knowledgeable about the game so documentaries are a good outlet for that

[@Xarnes]

I would suggest making it mastery depended. Every champ gets picked 3 times first time you go for mastery 5 second time mastery 8 and the last time mastery 10. Helps with the mastery focus.

[@KyleKunze]

I was going to comment the same thing, but instead make it like a flat 3 mastery levels. That way if he gets Yasuo he has a “challenge” still.

[@bassheartstrings]

This is what I’d like to see

[@MDefender22]

This exactly 👌

[@feldt7378]

Agreed

[@Mishinori]

Maybe with an option to instantly "re-draw" the current champion if he enjoys them, like the Jinx situation. Or trying three wheels, one for each "tier" and rotating each time. (One 0-5 champ, one 5-8 and then one 8-10)

[@Lunaticwolf13]

I like the idea of 10 wins cause it reflects you getting better at the champ. 3 streams could be the limit so the champ doesnt overstay if youre getting super unlucky games

[@JoeyG63]

Yeah this makes sense, just whichever comes first, 10 wins or 3 streams plus possible extensions if fun is being had.

[@AmisThysia]

Was also gonna suggest something like this!

[@samadams8533]

I would love to see you give a review on the champ whenever you finish it: how much you enjoyed the champ, how well designed you think they are, etc. and then you could put them in a tier list at the end of the video(or give the review its own dedicated video if you want a chance to do some shorter form edited content like old era trin), it would be a fun way to memorialize the champ once you finish them.

[@williamsfigueroa7140]

^

[@brookejon3695]

He has been for the last few champs.

[@samadams8533]

@@brookejon3695 For sure, but its been informal, and doing like a proper rating/tierlist would be cool

[@venkaramon]

Yeah but that's gonna last until the unit gets nerfed or buffed lol. No need for a tier list that will be outdated quite quick. Just how the champion felt should be enough

[@samadams8533]

@@venkaramon Tier list is based on how much he likes the champ and how well designed they are, not how good they are

[@nikolojd]

Mastery 10 sounds wild, it will absolutely burn you out. Even mastery 5 should be plenty for this to be a challenge.

[@cenfer9962]

yeah but the achievement

[@eriklopez1234]

It won’t burn him out cuz he’s still swapping champs after 10 wins it’ll stay fresh

[@hoozzahgames9209]

I do like the 10 wins better for the content as you said, keeps some stakes, you still have the clean sweep possibility etc. But if its too much of a load editing wise I'll always prefer whatever is more sustainaible for the videos to keep coming.

[@RoximRox]

I can't believe we're getting Beat League: Master Quest. Also, 10 wins with a hard cap is what I was gonna suggest, but you got there before I could.

[@bassheartstrings]

Beat League: Remastered is a BADASS name

[@FlashPlayerGames]

Trinal Fantasy: A Beat League Reborn

[@grayberrymuffin.mp3]

Can't wait for the next big change and then calling it "Beat League: Refrigerator"

[@yan_lia]

idk why but I'm really proud of you. Sounds like a healthy yet fun plan you got going on there

[@WillowTheWispVT]

Honestly, im all for this new direction. I'd rather you have fun while playing to prevent burn out than stick to an almost decade old ruleset that will make you hate LoL again.

[@perishsoftly6418]

This looks interesting, but I still think the funniest moment we've experienced so far was the disbelieving horror of "Chat, I've never played Azir..." I think we're gonna get a few more of these.

[@ddfb494355]

I like the two wheels concept is great. Keeps the variety up. Beat League is a great name regardless what concept you run with. While I'm pro gamer health, I think 10 wins with a 5 stream cutoff is the better play. The videos will still be interesting, and easier to follow when youtube only. I think it's also easier to think of improvements to a win cutoff than a time(stream) cutoff, and it means you can chill for a day and use the stream however you want instead of being tunnel visioned on "I must play all hours of this champion I hate" when there might be another game or gamemode you want to stream.

[@xXIxidor92Xx]

I'd definitely lean more toward doing 3 streams rather than a set number of wins for a couple of reasons. For one: while shooting for wins does give some drama and an initial goal, it also leads to situations like the Leblanc or Cassiopeia video. Where despite your best efforts, the wins just elude you. My favorite videos in this new series have been Veigar, Azir, and Nasus, because in all three of them you really were able to focus in on learning the ins and outs of the champion, rather than focusing hard on wins. As a side note: I loved the breakdown that you gave at the end of your Jinx beat league videos, and would have personally loved to see a similar breakdown for Azir and Veigar personally. I think giving an initial stream goal allows you to just focus on playing and mastering the champion, rather than worrying so much about yoru temmates. Yes for sure you should try to work with whatever team you've been given, but perhaps not beholden to whatever the gods of RNG decree. At least in terms of how long you should be playing someone

[@thrahxvaug6430]

Beat League Rebirth sounds kinda nice as a name. I think the 10 wins goal is way better for you for a content narrative. And I think a minimum 3 streams max 5 streams limit is good too. On the last video I had suggested adding a couple skins you liked from Okay to Peak so as you hit mastery milestones you go up in skins from base and so on. Just because to me that sounds more fun added thing. Also maybe you could even meme out at the start of stream one by doing a skin tier list for the champ. Idk if you'd want to do that or make videos with that. But it sounds fun. All in all I enjoy the content the most when you are having a good time with only a smidge of the funny haha suffering or coming across unhinged specimen that league provides naturally.

[@Emzzzzzzy]

I really like this new idea. As long as you don't over complicate the rules and still enjoy making these videos you can do whatever you want. I think all of us just don't want you getting burnt out like last time because we really enjoy watching these series.

[@achillesa5894]

Personally I like basing it on wins because it keeps the viewer invested in the game. There's the possibility of a clean sweep, comebacks matter, fumbling a game you're doing well in has consequences etc.

[@RJM1410]

I the the 10 wins allows for some higher stakes and keeps the potential for “Mozart” moments which have become part of the brand at this point lol

[@blueeye8576]

Beat League Phase 3 it's all coming together

[@CelioHogane]

Changing the series to mastery and not calling it ReMaster is almost criminal.

[@roman200000]

13 second delay from daddy trin content, we here!

[@connordalton4553]

thank goodness we getting multiple videos per mastery attempt

[@andreszegarra6772]

Im just happy you have plans for steady content man! Do what you think is best and most of all, what keeps you happy. We'll be watching anyway!!

[@liampouncy7808]

*Your* goal for this might be to have endless content, but *my* hope with this is that we get some more classic Trin videos. The classic Beat League formula created some bangers that I still go back through and watch, so I'm happy for whatever you go with for the format; I'd *love* for you to be able to cook some more great things. Enjoying where things are rn, dude. =]

[@hummongus]

I appreciate the new beat league a lot, having constistant content from Trin is great... I do really miss the boys though, wish we could have them around at some point too.

[@CelioHogane]

Kinda funny for Trinn to say Lucian skins are just dude with guns when his favorite character is also just dude with katana.

[@silvanelsire5971]

we need the 10 wins, so we can get the legendary "and now it`s time for.." sequences

[@silvanelsire5971]

and no cut off!

[@levimollison1543]

love the ideas you have and direction you'll be taking the series. excited for the new videos!

[@tobaccomarshall4659]

For the skin aspect you could do skin requests for money Maybe it costs 1-5$ to request for you to play a skin you already have if you dont have it they have to pay the cost of the skin ofc this only works for purchasable skins

[@theMaDNesS201]

ok, so to keep with the OG spirit of beat league, the number of wins before you can swap should equal the number of skins. and for those champs that have less than 10 skins, yeah make it 10 wins.

[@Miqi95]

Been enjoying this series since the first Blitzcrank video. My vote is for 10 wins. Excited for more Beat League!

[@gaferbalerk]

I love the idea of switching between the wheels like that, it gives you a ton of variety, while also keeping it fresh. You definitely need to keep the others that DON'T go on the fun wheel on a different wheel as well. Just in case you get a wild hair and decide to punish yourself for content. Whatever you do, we'll be here to watch and support you, cause we love your content and your absolutely maniacal laugh.

[@giovanifatobeni2495]

I appreciate you, Trin. Loving the content

[@KyuubiGoku1]

My only attachment to the skin aspect of the Beat League series that I thoroughly enjoyed was Trin forgetting to switch to the correct skin like Ziggs and Trin "forgetting" to switch to the correct skin like Yasuo. Gonna miss that.

[@_DuxNet]

Honestly all of this sounds amazing and I'm looking forward to it especially eventual special mastery 10 vids. I'm here for the long haul dude!

[@c0barsm]

Sounds good man, I enjoy these ideas!

[@GeneralSecura]

I think involving the Eternals could also be a very interesting factor in this series. They usually involve each champion's specific tricks and feats, so to "beat" a champion, you'd have to get them to mastery 10 and hit the milestones on their Eternals to unlock the mastery crest upgrades.

[@foxnut13]

AWWWWWWWWWWWW 😢, I get the reason for the change, but seeing all the skins on the champs was 🔥.

[@Bigtimber905]

2025 Trin content hype, what a time to be alive.

[@Cursiv_]

im happy with the outcome, less strain more gain, more trin, less depressin'

[@lorddimenzio4145]

I really like the new direction of Beat League, to focus more on the actual mastery rather than just playing a random amount of games based on the skins. I don't know if you are open to the idea, but maybe it would be a good idea to add a 3rd wheel. So in essence you would have the "Discovery" wheel with the champs you haven't played, the "Fun" wheel with the champs you have enjoyed and the "Punishment" Wheel with the Champs you have played but didn't really care about or actually didn't enjoy playing. That way you would always end up with playing something new if you choose the Discovery Wheel, and you would just alternate between the fun and Punishment wheel to slowly chip away at the champs you already played. Because if you put the already played but unfun champs back into the discovery wheel, there is a high chance that they fade back into obscurity and you lose the experience you got by playing them and would in essence have to re-learn them.

[@00Clank]

Okay cool. A wheel for the well-liked champs where we do another 3 stream push toward Mastery 10. I favor the 3 stream idea, there’s always going to be normal pressure to win and do well, we don’t need the extraneous pressure. Eager to see how these new episodes play out! Hope this can help smooth the production side.

[@saintlarfleeze3551]

I do the mastery 10 thing in my own personal game time. It 100% burns you out. We will see how it goes.

[@forincell]

Let me start by saying I love your content and am excited to see what you make of this. I just think that you are too focused on making Beat League work. Your edits are great! Your humor is unique and the way you can make THIS game seem SO dramatic and exciting in the way you did in so many of your old videos is something I have not seen recreated. It does just seem that you keep trying to recreate those old videos instead of evolving into something else. With that off my mind I am excited to see these new videos.

[@micka190]

These changes sound pretty fun to be honest. Something I really liked with the Jinx videos was the voice over recap at the end. Maybe consider doing that with the champions since the goal is now to "master" the champions?

[@calebhitt5161]

Again, I am going to MASTER League of Legends

[@foxokon94]

On the skin is, a suggestion could be accepting donations for people to ‘buy’ you any skin you don’t own and you have to use it the next game or something.

[@phucvuonghoang2864]

after half way in the video I just came up with something: 3 streams like you suggested in the video (or however long you like) will be the deadline, after 3 streams you can have something like a reward based on the number of games you won (like the wheel of fun or something worth trying hard for), if you don't meet the required number of games win you will get a punishment (wheel of @ss or something) to make it a little bit more exciting. Glad if this is good suggestion

[@popoi3441]

10 wins a champ seems better. If you are enjoying the champ at the time and want to keep playing them you could make a separate vid as a sort of victory lap for that champ and it helps build mastery for them as well.

[@Amanwatchingyou95]

Big fan of the OG, excited for the remake

[@marowannahouchi8218]

All those years ago, when I first read a "beat league" titule I thought that you wanted to beat it with every champion on every role. Still would love to see you on Bel'Veth support, Soraka jungle

[@HoudiniJr]

Now THIS is an interesting new take to the old series!

[@Nooksob]

damn ... second by 3 seconds. honestly if it helps you appreciate the game more and you don't have to worry about the money spent I'm happy with it. F2p Trin

[@kagamisdatastash]

How about combining the 2 choices but making the wins be part of a reward for a bonus stream? So like you get 3 streams to play the champion and if you get 10 wins(could be adjusted depending on how you feel) by the time you get to the end of the 3rd stream, then you can do like a victory lap bonus stream and if not you move on to the next. This way if you find you really enjoy a champion, it motivates you to win harder and you get the bonus stream to also mess around with like meme builds or stuff like that!

[@kingofdefense]

Once you get mastery 10 on a champion you should play a single ranked game with them to show your growth.

[@Leviathan5757]

Considering Mastery 10 is a trackable accolade in the game itself as well as it represents personal mastery I think this is a great way to take the series.

[@stevenzirarushashyaka9306]

Its crazy how Trin got me into league, 10 years later i dont care abt anything league related anymore except for Beat League😂

[@roakification]

I'd say 10 wins, so you can enjoy suffering a bit or fly through depending on the luck. It's more interesting when we do not know how long each champ will take. And you will always play more later, trying to climb the mastery. Also - poll to make the main wheel renamed to shit (or oh shit) wheel? If we have fun wheel, we gotta have shit wheel. Make it cannon!

[@chaleb1316]

Love the two wheel system. I think going by streams is a little better for watching you actually improve on each champion. That’s what I loved about the Irelia streams.

[@pierorossi9873]

Hi Trin, i'm good with all you said in the video, just when you spoke about raise the quality of the videos, i'm ok, but dont stress you out about it. Personally I really like your videos, and how they look like now. Anyway i 'm looking forward for your next video❤

[@PyrusVT]

Trin, if you play a week of each champ, that could also help your burn out, but a champ that doesn't attain 10 wins remains on the wheel to be beaten until they're drawn again

[@filipwolffs]

"I'm just saying chat: you're not getting me off of these skins." *Looks at Spirit Blossom Ahri.* I feel like there's a mature joke in there somewhere.

[@Haibrayn42]

I suggest going by stream basis. Discovery stream you draw a new champ and play it. That champion gets added to the pending wheel and if the wheel has 10 champs you only do that wheel until you get rid of one

[@Dusky-q5c]

I prefer the idea of 3 streams. I watch for you for your fucking around on unfamiliar champs and this element of you wanting to get better at a champion will be enough of a drive rather than aiming for a win goal.

[@dapeju]

10 wins is the best option it would keep the spirit of the beat league series

[@silvanelsire5971]

I think you should randomly draw the "next Champ I'll pursue the beat league challenge with" and it'll be 10 wins every time. so you won`t be able to just choose the next champ where you'll grind the mastery 10 and it'll be steadily go up for each champ but some (per chance) will be drawn more or less. That way you can continue the series with a champ per episode and it'll be more of a grind

[@coolgabe555]

One thing I would maybe make a wheel for champions who show up multiple times but don't get picked like if kindred shows up 3 times but never got picked she would get added to this wheel and when it gets big enough you can spin it play some games and remove them from this wheel. This way you can split the suffering instead of doing it all at the end.

[@super37david]

Not ever gonna see a clean sweep again, i cry

[@blackswordsmanyuudai2361]

I think what you could try doing is getting a champion to mastery 5 first, and then leaving them on the wheel. If it rolls back over to that champ, get to mastery 6. And you can keep that going until it reaches mastery 10 and you can get it off the list.

[@AgentArcadia]

Great plan that integrates higher mastery levels taking longer to complete: It takes 75,600 mastery points, plus several marks of mastery to get to level 10 (wiki). You then find a normalized amount of games that it takes to reach 10 mastery (may take research), then you can math-out the benchmarks you need to hit if you want to do things on a per-game or per-mastery basis. Remember that Mastery 5 IS NOT halfway to Mastery 10 - Mastery 6/7 are approx halfway. You could guarantee that each champion has 3 videos as part of their journey by doing 25000 mastery per video (with the final one being level 10), and you would calculate the approx number of games required by dividing mastery points avg/game

[@nicholascunningham4439]

10 Wins is a good one. Leasing with the option to renew is also good.

[@franciscoguerrero4814]

Love the 10 win games and with a cap, I also would prefer if you would randomly cycle through skins since back in the day I would use you as a personal skin spotlight

[@TrashCombine]

Hey Trin, regarding your editing process at around 22:00, I'd be interested to see you maybe put some notes on screen of what you've learned or things you're still unsure on. Especially going for mastery, that's going to really give an opportunity to see that improvement process, or even get a few mains to jump in and say "Hey there's actually a neat trick here". Obviously doing it as a whole champion spotlight level would be too much, but even a little blurb of text of "I could have used X thing here" could be interesting to see, especially if you actually DO end up improving the point you previously called out.

[@xenoplayz4524]

I like the random nature of beat league its the best part about it. I recommend just doing the number of skins per champ instead of buying the skins. So instead of say buying all the lux skins you just play her until the number of skins is done. That way all you're changing is the skin part and thus no longer needing to buy skins.

[@ArmanyteGX]

Hmm I really like the idea of discovery being 10 wins, and fun being set streams, but I do see how this would be more consistent.

[@Dmorranator]

DONT WASTE MONEY - skins were just a target, if you like a champ use skins otherwise i think most of us just wanna see the shenanigans.

[@eyesReMiXeD]

Loving the 10 wins per champ. Maybe have 3 wheels and alternate between them: 1) Champs without 10 wins. 2) Champs champs below Mastery 5. 3) Champs Above Mastery 5.

[@KatzDawn]

ngl, losing the skins aspect feels like the end of an era. But I also think it's better for you to have a good time and not get burnt out again, and seeing you play champs and the outcome (you being amusingly bad at a given champ, or having a good time, or especially when you learn to love a champ you thought you wouldn't like) was always the main draw; if I just wanted to see every skin in the game there are people who do showcases of them anyway lol

[@GeekOfArabia]

10 wins or 3 streams, whichever happens first, perhaps?

[@Phandiw]

Makes the most sense to me

[@Zamun]

Thanks for the content.

[@gamblinman115]

Idea: roll 3 champs like you do now but choose 2. You must get 5 wins for both but can swap between the 2 as you wish kind of like a tag team thing.

[@xmaracx]

At this point i really think trin should retire the structured format entirely. Because beat league as such will always burn him out, always. The mastery idea is good, because he shouldnt be forced to spend so much money. But the mastery 10 i think will burn him out all the same when the novelty passes and the horrible games roll in. The best part about this was always trins gameplay/reactions/edits anway, hes a good entertainer and it kinda sucks when he gets the burnout suffering.

[@0MidnighttheDragon0]

The main reason I can imagine some folks caring about the skin aspect is 2 reasons: 1) mastering all champions is a thing that, while not in the way you are planning to (focusing on improving knowledge of the characters), HAS BEEN DONE. Whereas the original beat league was, and, obviously due to finances, still IS a unique idea. And some folks may not be willing to part with that uniqueness (I'm sad to lose it personally myself, BUT I also am an adult who understands that mental health and personal finances are important so am just happy to be here supporting my favorite youtuber in whatever form he takes the series) 2) some folks might like that it highlights lesser used skins, giving some attention to ones that otherwise end up forgotten.

[@0MidnighttheDragon0]

my only "request" is since it no longer is about winning, having your friends come for some (not all, SOME) episodes would be nice. I miss the banter and rapport you all had. You had a good relationship and it always made me smile :3 OBVIOUSLY only if they are okay with it though

[@MalevolentFae]

A set amount of wins, round number, easily comprehensible would be good. Anything which makes following the challenge easy is better for content. Games played in 3 streams feels kinda arbitary.

[@chilllesbean]

My suggestion: what if you had days where you worked on the picked champion, but on Friday streams you just choose a champion that you’ve gotten to rep 5 already and further their progress. You can even make a wheel for the “beaten” champions for the chosen stream day if you wanted.

[@madjazzer4272]

10 wins with a cap sounds fine. But yes thank you for considering switching the skins up within the pool you own, I just like pretty particle effects lol

[@Twylerable]

Suggestion: 3 streams but if you fail to get 10 wins within those streams they go on a special failed board. You could use this board later as champions you clearly needed more work on.

[@richietruong786]

Personally love the changes, only thing i think id change is going from 1 normal wheel then 1 fun wheel to 2 normal wheel spins for 1 fun wheel spin, but if 1 and 1 is more enjoyable i think thats valid too

[@Khindrex]

If it's about Mastery, how about focusing certain milestones per champ? First time drawn? Mastery 4. Second time 7. Third time 9. And then a champion-specific finale. I don't think it need to be neccessarily focused on wins, but maybe the final game of every milestone needs to be a win. As in "reach mastery 4 with a win or win at least once after that" etc. Means you can draw every champ 4 times, the bigger focus is on getting better on them and you still have some of the drama due to wins being neccessary.

[@PatrickSlingshotGuy]

I never understood the skin part of beat league. Getting a certain mastery with each champion would show that you've understood how to play each champion to atleast a good level, and would then show you've done about everything you could in league outside of getting rank 1 which I wont force you to do.

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

I've got a possible idea. What if you play a certain amount of total games, like say 20, and in order to use the fun wheel for the next champ, you have to win a certain amount, like say 10? Each time you reach the goal and spin on the fun wheel, the number of required wins goes up and it resets back to the base amount if you don't reach the goal on a champ. This way you can have the drama of trying to keep the fun wheel streak going and have some stakes but still have a predefined amount of matches to play so you don't end up stuck on a champ for a whole month when you are tired of them. You could even give yourself the option to end right away if you hit the goal instead of playing out the 20 games if you are really bored (like with hecarim).

[@haydnpopper854]

If you do the mastery challenge I think it would be good to add a rule that you need to end on a win or something like that. For the 10 wins version it would also be cool if you could call it if you win three games in a row or something like that

[@ChuTorres23]

I Know this idea has been said before BUT, this: either 10 wins OR 3 streams, like 3 streams is the time limit, IF you so desire you can have UP to TWO more streams for a total of FIVE, at the end of the day is your choice but the thing is YOU have to have FUN, and also somehow make money without spending so much on skins, MUCH LOVE FROM A VENEZUELAN OG FAN ❤

[@ericbloodsmith5161]

Nice idea Trin! Do consider taking a bit of time in the first stream to look at builds while in the practice tool.

[@joshuacuevas4376]

10 Wins is perfect for this, since like you said we need drama.

[@shrapnelsponge]

I was thinking every mastery level trim gains he can call a vote on stream so people can vote keep going or swap champion. And trin can choose once per stream to disregard the vote and press on or to swap champion

[@R0manDemig0d]

I agree with the swapping skin suggestion, but on the obvious stipulation that only if you OWN skins already. No point buying skins for the sake of this. it's just for the visual variety

[@lightthehodgehog]

10 wins/mastery I think is a good system, and I think the grade idea could be fun! Of course, what is ideal and what is practical can be different so gotta test anything out. I think the biggest thing is not to be afraid to let the series evolve into something new! I can see things with the grade at the end being fun because it might become almost a "champion review", though biased it can bring an element of exploration; "This champ has X&Y things about them, but didn't mesh with me. And here's what the process of picking them up looks like:" it could help people find and try new champs which is a great thing with how many champions are in the game and viable nowadays! But that's just an example of course, what matters is finding both a fun and workable content modal.