Trinitarian Ontology? An Ecumenical Issue | Rowan Williams (Cambridge)

Organizer
Giulio Maspero
Venues
- Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas Angelicum Largo Angelico, 1 Roma
- Pontifical University of the Holy Cross Piazza di Sant’Apollinare, 49 Roma
- Notre Dame Rome Global Gateway Via Ostilia, 15 Roma
Program
16 March, Thursday, Angelicum
5 pm Opening conference
Serge-Thomas Bonino (Angelicum)
17 March, Friday, Pontifical University of the Holy Cross
12 pm Rowan Williams (Cambridge)
3 pm Giulio Maspero (Pontifical University of the Holy Cross)
4 pm Isidoros Katsos (Oxford)
18 March, Saturday, Notre Dame Rome Gateway
12 pm Christophe Chalamet (Genève)
3 pm Marcus Plested (Marquette)
4 pm Concluding dialogue
Khaled Anatolios (Notre Dame) Thomas J. White (Angelicum)

[@claudiozanella256]

No trinity exists, the trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL (i.e. false) doctrine issued by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. It's directly DEBUNKED by Jesus, who is the directly concerned Witness-Person. Contrary to the doctrine, He reiterates dozens of times to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER, never with the Father AND the Holy Spirit! Thus, Jesus REVEALS that God is only made by the Son and the Father who is with Him. Unfortunately it happened that due to a misunderstanding of the gospels, one person too many was INVENTED by the bishops of the Conventions. You know that the Father who is inside Jesus IS A SPIRIT (no doubt, see Jn. 4:23,24). Thus, according to the trinity doctrine TWO SPIRITS - the "Holy Spirit" and "Father (who is a spirit)" would be inside Jesus! But that is not true, they are just two EQUIVALENT NAMES for the same ONE SPIRIT who is inside Jesus. That Spirit is either called "Holy Spirit" or "Holy Father" by Jesus. They are just TWO NAMES, not TWO PERSONS! The SAME SPIRIT - the Father - led Jesus into the desert and later also helped Him when speaking. In a sermon Jesus talks about the TWO blasphemies against Himself and against the Father (i.e. the Holy Spirit), no third blasphemy exists because no third person exists. The Father who is a spirit comes from the Father who is NOT a spirit. The world NEVER knew Him.

[@1otterclan]

Get a grip

[@jeffreykalb9752]

Stay away from theology. You don't have the capacity for it.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@jeffreykalb9752 You trusted the church, but then - when you check it out - you see that it was a bad choice. With arrogance or with stupidity they didn't give a damn about what Jesus Christ stated in the gospels, they preferred to create their own cult to their liking, which is very different from what Jesus CLEARLY said. Does Jesus actually say in the gospels that He is part of a trinity ? Absolutely NOT, you can easily check it out: in the four gospels Jesus says and reiterates in all possible different ways that He is ONLY WITH THE FATHER! Crystal clear, no doubt: Jesus confirms that - when they will die - apostles, believers - and so on - will be WITH FATHER AND SON, PERIOD. The Jesus' statements are INCOMPATIBLE with the existence of a trinity: the alleged third divine person cannot be "absent, gone somewhere else" because - according to the basic characteristics of the alleged trinity - also the third person is supposed to ALWAYS BE IN A TIGHT UNION with Father and Son. On the contrary, THERE IS NO SIGN of a third person being together with Father and Son. Thus, Jesus clearly states that God is formed (with their own particular characteristics) by FATHER AND SON, PERIOD. Jesus had NO IDEA that He was supposed to be PART OF A TRINITY!

[@lesliecuff2079]

Keep seething. Also, if you are going to do theology, you may want to aim for clarity, conciseness, and structure in your thinking. You seem unhinged.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@lesliecuff2079 Jesus is only with the Father who is a spirit. This means the Father is actually absent, away, Jesus is alone in heaven. Hope this is much more clear than the trinity doctrine.