"Trinitarianism - Another Jesus??" (The Library Talks - 1 of 6) - Anthony Buzzard & J. Dan Gill

J. Dan Gill and Sir Anthony Buzzard begin the first in a classic series filmed at Anthony's private library near Atlanta. Listen in with them as they cover a number of important issues regarding, God & Jesus as well a variety of other topics.
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[@dorothypoole8908]

Sir Anthony Buzzard - a warrior for the truth.

[@_BlueAzul]

FMI ✍️ 12:11 Agree 👍 Thank you dear Brothers in Christ. May our Father in heaven, bless you and yours.

[@janespikniel7648]

What Christ said is of Christ, that is why we have The Gospel of God.

[@dorothypoole8908]

If one believes that death is the opposite of life, there is no way they can believe in the Trinity. Jesus died. An immortal god cannot die.

[@smyrnianlink]

Budha said "God is not necessary" and they made him another God.. Jesus said "There is only one God" and they made him a second God.. I think this is human nature. We have no respect for the essence of things.

[@janespikniel7648]

John 1:1 - that is not another jesus. That is attacking the brethren. And we best Love one another.

[@SoftBreadSoftware]

​​​​​@@janespikniel7648John 1 is the plan of Jesus in God's word, not a man. "Let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ Jesus; who in the form of God existing - not something to be grasped considered to be equal with God." Christ's preexistence in God's logos as a plan does not make Christ God.

[@J_adventurer]

It’s time for a proper debate again between Anthony and James White!!

[@FOMC6780]

The Trinity says that Jesus is 100% God and Man therefore which Will dominates? Then who died a Crucified death The God part or the Man part, since is very obvious that the God part being Spirit cannot die and shed blood for the forgiveness of Sins as a Sin Offering therefore it has to be THE MAN CHRIST JESUS.

[@andre-1866]

Jesus is the Promised Messiah Genesis 3:15. He was and always has been 100% human. Otherwise he could not have been the second Adam. Trinity is an invention of Satan and comes from Satan's synagogue, the Vatican. Trinity is just as foreign to the Bible as Sunday, neither of which exists. They have a false Jesus Isaiah 14:13-14.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

DID PAUL PREACHED A GODLY JESUS OR A FALSE JESUS? WAS PAUL PREACHED A GOD YEHOVAH THE LAWGIVER VOMPARTIBLE JESUS OR A GOD YEHOVAH THE LAWGIVER INCOMPARTABLE JESUS?

[@fredericorodriguez808]

Neither he preached Jesus the messiah(Christ), son of GOD

[@stevonhampton2234]

But did Jesus come to start a new religion call Christianity?

[@heavensgateway]

@Stevon Hampton, actually it is called Christianity because that is their belief in him. They follow him. Christ. He didn't tell them to call themselves that. At the time of his death, they were called, The Way. Later the citizens of a town named them that.

[@stevonhampton2234]

@@heavensgateway BUT DID JESUS COME TO START A NEW RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY?, HOW DO WE GO FROM SO-CALLED JUDAISM TO SO-CALLED CHRISTIANITY?, NEITHER OF THESE WORDS ARE IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (CHRISTIAN YES) FIRST CALLED CHRISTIAN IN ANTIOCH (A Gentile Nation)JESUS SAID **MY DOCTRINE*** IS (NOT) MINES,BUT HIS THAT SENT ME ,(JOHN 7:16)SO THEN WHO SENT THE MESSIAH ,THE SON OF GOD (Galatians4:4) WHAT IS THE*** DOCTRINE** OF THE MOST HIGH (Isaiah 35:8) AND AN** HIGHWAY **SHALL BE THERE,AND A (WAY,)AND IT SHALL BE """CALLED"" THE( WAY OF HOLINESS), (Levitcus 19:2)YE SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I THE LORD YOUR (GOD AM HOLY,) BECAUSE( HE) IS HOLY ALL MEN SHOULD BE HOLY, NOT JUST PHYSICAL(PROMISE)ISRAEL BUT ALL OF ISRAEL (SPIRITUAL ISRAEL)(Romans 2:28,29)vs 29 BUT HE IS A JEW,WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY, AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT THE LETTER,WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN,BUT OF !!!GOD!!! LET ME LEAVE THIS WITH YOU (Hebrew **12:14**)FOLLOW PEACE WITH ALL MEN,AND** HOLINESS, ***WITHOUT WHICH( NO MAN) **SHALL SEE THE LORD ** HOLINESS IS THE RELIGION OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES,**THAT WORD CHRISTIANITY IS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE AND EUROPE **JUST LIKE THAT FALSE TRINITY DOCTRINE

[@heavensgateway]

​@@stevonhampton2234 Answer is No. Jesus did not come here to start a religion, nor a new religion. He was sent here by his Father, Our Father, God. He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and thru them we are all saved by the word of God. Jesus was that word sent to us. A messenger, a servant and The Son of God. Jesus tells us that it is not his words that he speaks, but of his Father. So, in his teachings he tells us how to receive the Kingdom of God, not of his Kingdom, but God's. He never once tells them that he is the only way to Heaven. He tells them that thru him is the only way God will allow you to Heaven. Still, God is in charge. In those days they were either named after the town they were from, the family name, or the group of people they were associated with. In this case, they were believers in Jesus Christ. Which in turn they called themselves Christians. Jesus never once told them to call themselves that. They chose this. So if you called yourself Christian, it told the world that you believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Just like Israelites. They were of the family of Israel/Jacob. Judaism is from being of Judah. And so on. The name only identifies who they are associated with, their belief, or where they from, etc. Jesus tells them that this doctrine he speaks of is not of him, but of him who sent him. He was relaying a message from God to the people. Just like when God sent Prophets, Angels, etc. Jesus was teaching the words of God. He says for they are the words of his Father. He also said for he does nothing that his Father didn't instruct him to do. (I can get all the verses if needed) When it speaks of circumcision. It is referring to when Moses told the Israelites they should be physically circumcised. That was the letter of the law. But when Jesus came, God gave us another way. It was thru the Holy Spirit. And when you receive the Holy Spirit, you are spiritually circumcised. Of the Heart. No longer to follow the law of Moses, but the law of Spirit that God sent Jesus to teach. Doesn't the bible teach us when we pray we are to pray in Spirit? Yet Moses laws were that we physically , publicly, announced our faith by going to the Temple. When it is of the Heart, God knows. And the rest of the world doesn't need to know. Between you and God. God nor Jesus never once tells us what name to give our organization, our group, or what to call ourselves, etc. He only tells us that it is of a personal Faith and belief in Jesus Christ. It is a new covenant. And that covenant is between you and God, thru his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. So if people want to call themselves Christians, that is between them and God. I personally don't have a religion, I have a Personal relationship with God. By the Holy Spirit of God, thru his Son Jesus, to me. (I am classified as a Christian) Hope this explains.

[@stevonhampton2234]

@@heavensgateway WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY( PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP)?WHAT MUST A PERSON DO TO BE SAVED?, AND I SAID THE WORD CHRISTIAN WAS IS THE BIBLE,THEREFORE I CAN ACCEPT IT

[@stevonhampton2234]

@@heavensgateway WHAT must I do to be SAVED

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

The Trinity Doctrine is Greek Philosophy of 'God from God'. God's children are themselves 'Gods'. Therefore, they believe that Jesus is God because his Father is God. Jesus calls us Brothers - so the logical conclusion is that we too are now 'Gods'. Satan told Eve, 'You will be like God'. Oh God our Father, free all of mankind from the Doctrines of Men, crush the Trinity Doctrine in these last days. In The Name above all Names I ask this.

[@lakerstekkenn]

The Trinity is Greek Mythology and Jesus is the son of God who eventually will inherit his Fathers Kingdom and this son like Thor from the Avengers, comes and goes to Earth on certain missions for his Father and eventually Jesus will become worthy to receive his reward and everyone's respect and will be as great as his Father and that's why the Bible says God made Jesus a Judge so everyone with honor the son like they honor the Father, meaning God gave Jesus a Judgment seat like he did with others on Judgment days so everyone will respect the son, this is scripture corruption changing Jesus into a Greek son of god copying Greek Mythology. Jesus is only better then the Angels read Hebrews and deserves more honor then Moses according to Hebrews, also Jesus was appointed the son of God Roman's 1.4 and appointed heir of all things Hebrews 1 and Trinity Christians have the nerve to claim that Jesus is God Almighty. So it takes a Judgment seat given to the son that will get everyone to respect him like they respect the Father ? Do people even understand and read these scriptures ? Little wonder Paul says everything was created because of Jesus so he might be worthy to rule and Revelation says in chapter 5, the Council says Jesus is worthy to receive riches power honor and strength, so Jesus finally gets his respect from the Council of Angels Prophets, then after the son rules for 1 thousand years, according to the Bible Jesus loses everything handing his Kingdom over to God and is yet again subjected to God Almighty who's ruler over all, also every knee should bow to Jesus testifying that Jesus is lord to the Glory of God, Jesus on Judgment day isn't even called God nor are the people confessing that he's God, but only confessing that Jesus is lord, to God's Glory. Then John 1 is a reference to The Aramaic Targums a poetic corrupted version of the Torah speaking about the Memra Words Command Speech of Yahweh in a poetic way in Genesis 1 just like Lady Wisdom in Proverbs Gods Wisdom being created and with God creating everything and Paul claims that Lady Wisdom is Jesus but Lady Wisdom is created in the beginning in the Hebrew Bible and Septuagint also Psalms 2 explains that Jesus is created begotten on a certain day and Trinity Christians ignore this poetic way of speaking about God's Wisdom, Word or Speech and Name of God and even The Name of God also created everything in the apocryphal scriptures, so we have 3 of God's attributes spoken in poetic ways as separate persons and Trinity Christians claim this is another separate God, but ignore the others. John or whoever wrote it was copying the Aramaic Targums speaking about God With Wisdom created everything with his Word and John was speaking about Jesus his creation and God's plan Command Will Creating Jesus and his mission, using poetic Language, first referring to Genesis 1 and God's first Plan for Creating the Universe and Humanity and the Prophet's and this Light of Salvation. John 1 isn't about Jesus as God, it's about Genesis and that first Light God's guidance and the second creation of Jesus and the next Light being the Gospel of Jesus. Prophet Muhammad pbuh is even called the Light in The Qur'an. May everyone see the truth in Islam.

[@srilankangenie]

I’m LDS we also don’t believe that the Trinity was an inspired teaching. However, we do believe that Jesus pre-existed his mortal birth.

[@heavensgateway]

Adam was created in the IMAGE OF GOD. Jesus was born in the IMAGE OF GOD. I guess Adam was God in the flesh too....

[@janespikniel7648]

@Thoska Brah And the Word was God. 🙂

[@TheChadWork2001]

Jesus is not God. Jesus was born in the image of God. Jesus was born, just like us., from the seed of a man, down from the Davidic line of kings, from the loins of David, just like the scripture says.

[@heavensgateway]

@@TheChadWork2001 exactly. Jesus was in the order of Melchisedek, who was a King. David, the KIng, said: For THE Lord, said to MY Lord. He was David"s Lord. , and so was God. Psalm tells us who Jesus is. He is the SON of God. NOT God himself. Sent by God. People let one verse determine who God and Jesus are. The Word of God was sent by many prophets and angels. They are NOT God HIMSELF. Jesus was sent just like they were. On and On, If only people would truely search the bible. Edit; OOps, forgot. Jesus was NOT born of a man. He was born into the womb of a virgin woman, and born of the Holy Spirit, which is God. Born OF God.

[@TheChadWork2001]

@@heavensgateway You have been shown wisdom by God the Father and you can see things in this regard others cannot see. I agree with everything you wrote, except the last part, that Jesus was not born biologically from the seed of David. The scriptures teach that he was made just like us. Were you biologically born (born of the flesh) by a woman without a man?

[@SoftBreadSoftware]

​​​​​@@janespikniel7648"Have this mind in you, which is also in Christ Jesus; Who in the form of God existing, not something to be grasped considered equal with God." Existing in Gods logos does not make one God. Though we have will and emerge uniquely, we are all predetermined to God's infinite wisdom, and we should all have that mind of Christ, and see that we also were in God before creation, though in a different way, emergent from his process with our will, He sees all futures, in this way we also preexist but not as plans individually like Adam, Eve, and Christ.

[@andhibrotoseno6376]

Than you closer to islam

[@4threvolution_]

Islam dont believe in the son of God

[@4threvolution_]

Trinitarianism also does not believe in the son of God

[@numbernine8571]

J. Dan Gill giggle after every point that Anthony Buzzard makes. It is very annoying.

[@TheChadWork2001]

I didn't notice that until you pointed it out! Haha, it IS irritating, once you become aware of it. That reminds me: I don't like ameners, and shouters out. They are very distracting, talking over the speaker and shouting out like undisciplined children. It could be because I'm an introvert and grew up in a church where it was not common to do so.

[@dannymirano3680]

You are missconciption about Jesus, satan do not believe that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, you are just talking his humanity, you have try to study what is God, how the bible say before the foundation of the world was he, just you think that .......

[@Elroi3310]

They do believe Jesus is the begotten son of God . Was does before the foundation of the world mean ? Luke 11:50That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. The foundation of the world according to Jesus is Before Adam and Eve began to multiply. Starting from Abel . Jesus was before Abel . Genesis 3:15 God spoke about him. The promised Seed! That should come . That’s how he was before the foundation of the world .

[@srilankangenie]

@@Elroi3310 Man also pre-existed before the Physical Adam and Eve were formed. In 1985 Jewish Publication Society(JPS) didn’t feel the Christians understanding of Hebrew idioms were accurate and they did not have a Hebrew English Bible. So they started on their own translation of the Old Testament. In this Bible, The Hebrew was translated idiomatically and reflect contemporary scholarship, thus laying emphasis upon intelligibility and correctness. So from the Jewish translation here’s how Genesis 1:1 is translated When God began to create the Heaven and Earth - The Earth being unformed and void with darkness over the surface and deep, and the wind from God sweeping over the water - God said, “let there be light” and there was light. Notice that the Jews start Genesis with “When God began” and not “In the beginning,” removing the specificity on the timeline of his creation. Also the first act of creation is let there be light. Without the Sun nothing can survive, the solar system revolves around it. Notice the pre-existing matter H2O (Water) and Wind(air molecules in motion). What are humans made of in essence? You guessed it - Matter. This is our pre-existence as intelligences or the state before God formed our physical bodies with pre-existing substance.

[@stuartwebster5821]

@@Elroi3310 just as he chose us in him before the foundation OTW (Eph 1:4,5)

[@Elroi3310]

@@stuartwebster5821 Amen