Trinity Evangelical Divinity School Goes Woke

Iljin Cho shares about his experience at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
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[@sunrae5116]

This young man is so full of wisdom. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all theological students had his insight and integrity. Praise Jesus for raising up Iljin!

[@apostlesdoctrineministries7663]

It was meant for him to be there because I remember him saying that people came to him in secret, thanking him for as Jude puts it "earnestly contend for the faith"

[@sylerthomas]

It's surprising to me that no one is gently providing any counterpoint to Iljin? Maybe those comments are being deleted. I guess I'll find out soon! The title of this video is misleading and has the potential of really damaging an institution that's training pastors. But "seminary student has different view of secondary issues than his seminary professors" wouldn't get the same amount of clicks.

[@Zilam]

That Native American speaker at 19:46 seems to be very bitter and with hatred in his heart. The way he talks about a brother of a different background makes me think he needs to go re-read his bible. Even worse is that while he was talking about corporate/collective sin, he began to sound like the colonizers that he so despises. The thought of the past was the the Euro-Christians were okay in conquering entire people groups because they were all pagans. Every tribe and people group was the same, and deserved the same fate. They all had corporate/collective sin in their idolatry, as well as holding the innocent (women and children) accountable for the actions of war parties. That ideology is how Sand Creek Massacre happened. The only difference is that the Euro-Christians are not the ones doing it anymore, but are now at the receiving end of it. We have gone from "this is bad to do to anyone" to "its okay to do this to these people, because other people in the past that looked like them did this to people that looked like me". Its foolish, and evil.

[@Apeleutheros80]

Yep, he definitely did not seem like someone who understood the depth of his own sin, let alone anyone else's.

[@hisservants8003]

Yes, that American Indian had hate in his heart against that white student. He spoke bitter words.

[@mattelfstrom9506]

Thanks for that insight. Also if we take a look at our present system, all being equal under the law.(judeo christian) then all under that system are free to pursue there God given talents. We now want to replace that with Big Brother being God and dispensing law to the people. We will worship something.

[@danielwright3502]

I definitely understand how this video paints Mark Charles (the Native American speaker) as very bitter, however this video did a disservice to his points and created what I believe a straw man out of him. Mark states these things not to tell him to forgive him, but challenges his brother to sit and feel the very pain that he has lived with all of his life. I looked up the full video and I found it very insightful, kzbin.info/www/bejne/ranGXpRnnN9mpdE

[@jrvenable1]

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! Galatians 1:8

[@longstreet2740]

The AWOKE Social Justice advocates only manifest they were never Saved by Biblical Gospel ( 1 Cor 15 )

[@danielharris5482]

Sometimes it just takes the courage of a few to get the rest of us to stand up. There is a lot of fear from people trying to remain orthodox on this issue. Many are afraid of the name calling, the cancelling, and facing the reality of being in a small minority that is portrayed as immoral. Iljin's example is exemplary and emboldening. May the rest of us take notice and do likewise!

[@plousia]

This guy is amazing. My new hero. Speaking truth when you're facing opposition from almost everyone else is so hard, but so crucial. Thank you. God is with you. Secondly, my thought on why seminary professors are swallowing and perpetrating this stuff: it seems that for theological intellectuals, believing in the Bible without qualifications, or basing your views on the Bible alone, is viewed as naive and unintellectual. So they swallow the world's theories and ideologies in an attempt to be seen as intelligent and relevant. They seem to be almost ashamed of Scripture. But God says his wisdom trumps the so-called wisdom of this world. Don't be ashamed to keep standing on God's wisdom, you'll make a stellar gospel-based pastor one day. God bless you.

[@MrBenbenbenbenny]

The speaker demanding that the man sit and dwell in his shame and remorse for past "systemic" sins is just utterly repulsive and saddening to hear... even if he were addressing someone's individual sins for which we are called to repent of, this tone sounds like nothing of Christ and how he engaged with people...

[@jackuber7358]

This presentation emotionally enraged me. How dare these monsters violate the Gospel of Christ Jesus with such casual disregard. And, how foul the school to tollerate this perfidy and to platform it -- IN A CHRISTIAN SEMINARY -- T O S E M I N A R Y S T U D E N T S ! WHAT BLASPHEMY! Oh, may Almighty God reach out with His infinitely just hand and cast down these false teachers and raise up God fearing and God honoring men like your faithful guest. May our great Father in heaven richly bless this young man, his family, and his ministry. Maranatha! Thank you, John, for revealing yet another malignancy assaulting Gods flock upon this degenerate world.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Thank you for your response. One of the huge problems among Bible believing men is forgetting that Paul condemns not only homosexuals but also "soft men". There's an English word for a soft man: gentleman. Men aren't called to be gentle in their response to evil, only in their response to the broken, contrite and humble. Some of today's "poor" are proud arrogant people who die of obesity, drug abuse and violence. These "poor" people of any color are only poor if morals; they don't fit the true poverty I experienced as a child. We Bible believing men ought stop being gentlemen. While Trump is an arrogant hell bound pagan; at least he is a man. I rather Trump than most pastors today. Stop being nice when wolves run the Church. You're not going to reason the woke wolf into the Kingdom. Be a man. We need more "rooftop Koreans" like this young man.

[@angelakatsapas7894]

Amen.

[@margaret3785]

Been going on a long time! Twenty years ago Wheaton, Judson both went left!

[@pdk9075]

Thank you both for exposing Trinity’s toxic social justice agenda. It is good to know there are a few true biblical teachers still there at the moment, but sadly they will soon be made to feel like outcasts, I’m sure. Iljin, you are bold and courageous, and just whom our Father’s kingdom needs. I will pray for you. I hope this inspires other people to fight against the agenda and keep proclaiming truth.

[@Yesica1993]

About 15:00 "Anglo" - who talks that way anymore? "public time of prayer & repentance" Also, it enrages me to hear this slander of telling people to repent for things they've never done! I'm telling you, if I ever get back to church and I hear something like this, I will walk right out. Sickening! I can't tell you how sick this made me! No one controls where or in what circumstance they are born. No one! So how can you repent of that? In fact, GOD is the one who determines all of that. So you're basically rebelling against God. This so obvious! I am not a theologian and yet I can see it instantly. Why is EVERYONE falling for this nonsense?!

[@TheGodWalk]

A grand delusion perhaps.

[@davidprice9792]

If you wanted to join the KKK you had to prove your Aglo heritage. That is the only time I have seen it. These guys have the same mentality as KKK

[@sagnorain3160]

Ah! I've seen Mr. Cho over at the Such A Time As This channel. I'm so glad you two did this video!

[@davegibbs6423]

The Indian guy is not about the Gospel. He is full of anger. There is no redemption with this.

[@hisservants8003]

Worse yet, he goes back to the reservation and spreads hate and a false gospel. American Indian communities are difficult to spread the Gospel in as it is, without a man like that spreading a false gospel.

[@davegibbs6423]

@@hisservants8003 Pray for the Indians to overcome.

[@MichaelDonahueMS]

Girlfriend gets him a Martyn Llyod-Jones book, he realizes God's call on his life... to marry her!

[@julesl7633]

“I have more insight than all my teachers because your decrees are my meditation. I understand more than the elders because I obey your precepts. I have kept my feet from every evil path because I have followed your word.” Psalm 119:99-101

[@fandude7]

Typical gutless, spinelessness from administrators at Trinity Evangelical.

[@barryblodgett77]

"You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet" As Trinity is closing its doors, it seems that perhaps they have reaped their reward.

[@bbsmith9409]

Let's face this too... Iljin being Korean helps to paint the school administration into a corner. They will fear looking like the racists they say they deplore. Iljin is the perfect messenger! God bless him!

[@hisservants8003]

It is so awful to muzzle whites like this. SJW call whites racist if they say anything, ensuring that this false ideology spreads like wildfire.

[@carolbarlow8896]

Yes.delicious isn’t it?

[@jwoldner3926]

I was thinking of comeing to trinity but not now.

[@pastormbowman]

Brother I appreciate you taking a stand. I graduated a few years ago with my MDiv from TEDS. Most of the folks I knew from the Undergrad or Seminary side of Trinity are now Social Justice Warriors. There are a few exceptions (and sounds like we have some friends in common because I've heard about you). I had at least one confrontation with the person scheduling chapel speakers after they spoke from a CRT perspective and even spoke someone approvingly of Islam. I see nothing has turned around. Praying for you and those standing with you.

[@davegibbs6423]

I went to Trinity. Thank you Iljin! Thank you for being a light, brother!

[@micahlantz905]

Wow, this is disgusting and sickening that critical theory is really permeating almost all our seminaries. This is so alarming.

[@stehir9260]

This interview is a good example of 2 Timothy 1:7 "For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind."

[@karricompton]

It’s so ridiculous that the social gospel would be part of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why then, did Paul tell the slaves to obey their earthly masters instead of telling them to rebel because of systemic oppression? Or to obey the governing authorities instead of to rebel against them because they were oppressive to Christians? With God there is no favoritism and so it should be with us. Simple as that.

[@whitney2280]

what a wonderful testimony by this man

[@jongrant1215]

Some of the revelations of TEDS are very disturbing to me. Some of the speakers you posted are at the edge of apostasy. They are adding to the gospel with the philosophies and doctrines of men. Social justice and CRT are not scriptural in the least. How can I as a white man repent for things that other past white people did? I can only repent for myself for the breaking of God's revealed law. Thomas Sowell points out that slavery is much more than a racial occurrence. It is something that has been with us for millennia. There have been slaves of every race and ethnicity, including Native Americans taking slaves from other tribes; Mongilians taking white women slaves; Turks capturing slaves from other countries. But this does not fit the white guilt narrative. Christians must keep the gospel pure. Paul warns us "See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ," and "As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." It is a dangerous thing to adulterate the gospel of Christ by adding human philosophes.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Faithful local Churches should exclude graduates from many seminaries from consideration. They are taught post modernism and so have no commitment to telling the truth but are wolves taught how to clothe in sheep's clothing. Local churches should start considering hiring people like this man or even those who have self studied and avoided seminary altogether. It should be made clear by the faithful Churches to the denominations they no longer will accept the lies. It's encouraging to hear there's some faithful professors but they're no longer in charge. As to the students, if this man is correct they're an even bigger problem than the leadership. Listening to many young Christians today , I think he's right. Laodicea is ascending.

[@aaronkemp7789]

What a great interview, and kudos to you for splicing in the actual chapel videos that he was describing.

[@danielwright3502]

I agree insightful video for sure as a current Trinity Student to think through, however after watching a couple of these videos at full length I believe that this splicing has been done to fit a certain narrative without actually engaging with what the message the speakers were presenting

[@BradLongCo]

Excellent and insightful conversation, guys! Thanks so much for delving into this topic.

[@LynnieDoo]

Oh. Thank you my sweet brothers for telling the truth. I had been praying for a channel that would explain what is going on. I didn't know anything about this until May 25th. I am scared. Let's all keep reading our Bibles. Renew our minds. Thank you so much.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

get the wolves out of seminaries before they become cemeteries

[@Yesica1993]

Oh, goodness, what is it about this movement that everyone has the same terms/catchphrases?! I've never heard the term "lament" used as much as I have the last few months! What are we even lamenting?! This was so great! Thanks to Iljin for speaking out about this stuff. It's EVERYWHERE. This was refreshing to hear. It gives me a bit of hope that not everyone is going along with these unbiblical ideas. Thank you!

[@bereantrb]

The fact that those speakers have ended up where they are speaks volumes about lots of things broken.

[@mirandahanna1326]

I myself am going to attend seminary and I am a little concerning that CRT is infiltrating the schools. I pray the Lord will lead me to the right seminary. I wonder if online will help!

[@achefwithtwokittens]

Hi Miranda, this is Iljin. I heard the Master's Seminary is still not woke and it seems Grace Bible Theological Seminary is not woke (Owen Strachan is the provost there, and he is not woke). Of course, pray for discernment. If a seminary is woke in person, it's probably woke online. Hope it helps.

[@nashroberts2900]

Wheaton is worse. Moody is following closely. After Joe Stowell left, Moody has been going downhill fast. DA Carson needs to take his name off of The social gospel coalition. Teds still has hope but very faint hope. All up to God.

[@61638790]

I'm a TEDS grad, MDiv '96, and am with you 100% Mr. Cho. I thank God for you. One comment: no one who has read and taken to heart C S Lewis' brief essay "Dangers of National Repentance" (in "God in the Dock") could join in that prayer beginning at 51:21. That prayer is a lie. It is simply condemnation masquerading as confession, and Lewis brilliantly called out that kind of thing for the nonsense that it is.

[@RobSed55]

This puts light on what may have been the reason that Jesus' disciples, since John the baptist were "uneducated." And although Paul was highly educated, he considered it all loss for the greater knowledge of Christ Jesus. I thought that the great apostasy was in full swing when the prosperity gospel permeated the church. But now this is?

[@CLM1987]

Some of the best preachers and men of God I've ever known in my life have a high school education. They know the Bible cover to cover and could give these seminary people a run for their money. I never understood the need for a seminary except to teach legalism and how imperfect men should run a church.

[@RobSed55]

@@CLM1987 Yes. It only take the ability to read. And a love of the truth. The fourth soil: Luke 8:15 15 "But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance."

[@RobSed55]

Yes! But let us not forget, that it is also written. "break up your fallow ground!"

[@GarrettOHara]

Thank you for coming to my TEDS talk.

[@tonante27]

My wife and I were fortunate to briefly meet mr Cho at a church for a training class last year .

[@stevestuhlreyer6608]

Brave man. I am encouraged and strengthened.

[@1776.We.the.people.]

Thankyou Iljin for your bravery. I'm facing similar problems at Covenant Theological Seminary.

[@JonJaeden]

The Native American in this video is Mark Charles. You can view his entire presentation at Trinity here: juicyecumenism.com/2019/03/26/mark-charles/ According to Wikipedia, aside from being a public speaker and author, Charles is also a journalist, blogger, Reformed pastor, and computer programmer. He is the son of a Navajo father and Dutch-American mother. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Charles He is also an independent candidate for president of the U.S. in 2020. www.markcharles2020.com/ His designated VP running mate is Sedinam Kinamo Christin Moyowasifza, who, incidentally, is also running for president as a Green Party candidate. Mr. Charles' own Navaho tribe -- described as "predacious" on one site -- may well need to lament its past violence and plunder against the Pueblo, Hopi and Zuni tribes, as well as the Apaches with whom they were sometimes in league in deadly raids on other tribes, where enemy warriors were killed and their property and women seized. Had the U.S. not conquered the Southwest and enforced peace among those tribes, the "predacious" behavior most likely would still be happening.

[@Yesica1993]

20:08 "is it really Jesus?" See? Alarm bells, instantly. I got up to 22:25 watching, then read the transcript for the rest of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. What a hate filled man this is. This is emotional abuse that was done to this student. And I mean actual abuse, not the silly, "You hurt my feelings on Twitter!" nonsense. This was horrifying to watch/hear. I must have missed the various names. Who are these speakers, so we can know to avoid them?

[@danielwright3502]

Brother, I completely understand your hesitancy with this statement unfortunately I fear that this video has yet again practiced creating a false narrative out of sound bites and clips. Mark Charles in the full context of what he says in this talk is not saying that it is not, rather than in the actions of the Christian Church today some of our brothers and sisters do not act and place this sin issue on Jesus, but rather works. I am a Mosaic student at TEDS and this definitely rang alarms in my head as well and caused me to do more listening and understanding what this speaker truly has to say. Here is the video if you would like to see it for yourself. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ranGXpRnnN9mpdE

[@christineschmidt1012]

I graduated from TEDS in 1981. I loved every minute in my classes with fine evangelical professors. I am very sad to hear this and will pray that they wake up lest God comes in and shuts them down. They are on the wrong side of this spiritual battle. God will not be mocked or misrepresented.

[@danielwright3502]

I am a current Trinity Student and I had concerned by some of the things that were said and looked more into the full context and argument of the speakers presented here and I believe that they have spliced the full argument to fit with the narrative that was trying to be painted. Definitely have more questions and wanting to hear the whole picture I appreciate the perspective but I think it is missing many things that are actually happening on campus.

[@victoryak86]

What’s sad is that, by adding works to the Gospel itself ends up corrupting the essence of what is the cornerstone of Christianity, AND it ruins the purity and actual fruitfulness of truly “good works.” True progress in any sphere of life, including “social justice,” is dependent upon them flowing from TRUE GOSPEL TRANSFORMATION! So what is happening these days is that both the Gospel and actual love and good works of all kinds are ruined, being infected with the flesh.

[@bnato8209]

These people need to be banned from our seminaries. And students like this young man need to band together and challenge this anti-gospel garbage.

[@Yesica1993]

I'm only 30 minutes in. That Divided by Faith is on my church's recommended reading list. (I have not read it.) I just today sent an email letting them know I have read/watched some of the material on their list & that I do not agree with it. I'm terrified. We'll see.

[@terip8661]

There is a reason God is using a STUDENT instead of a professor at Trinity to shine the light of truth at Trinity. God equips the willing!!! The cowardly Trinity profs who actually know the truth sold out long ago. You don't need to fear. You just need to be willing! Our God is a compassionate! He will go with you!

[@leadinged]

Here is my 'white privilege' short story. My ancestors include those who survived the potato famine in Ireland in the 19th century joined by Germans and Dutch with no money came to North America. Early 20th century, My grandparents had a one room log cabin with a sod roof on a homestead in Canada. One horse and plow. Grandfather died in the 1918 spanish influenza. No welfare. Single mom with 5 little children. So much for 'white privilege'.

[@longstreet2740]

40:20 Fear of Man ... A True Christian will soon discover that social ridicule is the least of persecution . I witnessed a cowardly attitude of Christians to take a stand for fear of ridicule. Isaiah 51:12, Proverbs 29:25, Psalm 118:5-9, Romans 8:31, John 12:41-43, ... Many Christians put career before the High Calling of GOD. "An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin" Prov 21:4 I interpret " plowing of the wicked" are those who put career, money, prestige, before Salvation

[@charlottewang4705]

Hello. The last two links of Iljin's articles are the same. Could you please check and update it?

[@growintruth2685]

This was very encouraging! Sad that these "Professors" are sharing false teachings, but I am encouraged that people are not buying what they're selling.

[@timbushong4387]

Another excellent presentation, brother.

[@yellomoth]

For the guy at 20:56 Matthew 6:15 " But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

[@kevinphillips9459]

I graduated from TEDS in 2004. Recently I saw a twitter post from a TEDS Greek professor (Josh Jipp) that stated, "just because you are complementarian does not make you a misogynist." I thought the comment is not only wrong but inappropriate. These types of comments reflect an agenda I do not adhere to.

[@stopmayhem937]

Are you saying you believe complementarians are misogynists?

[@kevinphillips9459]

@@stopmayhem937 The professor is egalitarian and made this comment to insinuate there is a connection.

[@GerardPerry]

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@nicholasmeyer5975]

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2 God bless Iljin for sticking to the Gospel and calling leaders out for twisting it.

[@Explorethebook]

Many of those professors are not actually themselves saved.

[@susancruz729]

God bless you Iljin.

[@achefwithtwokittens]

Thank you! God bless you too!

[@rdestree]

"Or thus says the high and exalted One Who lives forever, whose name is Holy, 'I dwell on a high and holy place, And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit In order to revive the spirit of the lowly And to revive the heart of the contrite.'" Isaiah 57:15 As an older man (65), my heart is truly breaking at how few in the Social Justice Movement are "contrite and lowly of spirit." Anyone who devilishly points their finger at the "sins" of others shows that they don't understand the nature of godly humility. Please repent of YOUR sins!

[@sleepyj222]

Wow... Those speakers. Thanks for standing up Iljin Cho and being Salt.

[@bigcalvin]

If somebody asked me to repent of my heritage, I would be tempted to share some St Nicolas correction.

[@bigcalvin]

Dude from the Indian reservation needs to be rebuked and rebutted. There are clearly no men in the seminary.

[@stephenlacysullivan2463]

The true followers of our Lord know that this woke stuff is wrong and garbage. Its idolatry. I am responsible for my sin not my Dad's or anyone else's. "The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him." Ezekiel 18:20

[@ingridirvine2605]

Great interview. So sad to learn of this. Will be praying for this young man’s continued Godly courage, boldness and wisdom, that God may use him to reach many with Truth.

[@jim5140]

anyone know where i can find the clip of the natve american pastor? Its a solid example to use and point out to others

[@jim5140]

Iljin Cho thank you!

[@MrJSettecase]

Good to hear from Iljin on this.

[@acadams5]

Agreed

[@wicketwarrior7488]

What a shame you cannot even go to seminary school without this horrible mindset. Satan is very busy.

[@betty8173]

Hoping that you take more time to address the text, context, and anger of the Indian speaker, his anger was palpable. is he a christian?? Thank you, being Irish, I was glad to hear Mr. Cho and your remarks! Your guest was sweet to give the benefit of the doubt, that folks honestly don't know certain parts of history, but do know others, when they speak about only the ideas and actions that prove and push their narrative. Thank you both for this, it is encouraging to know that their are some sober people left, as he said, and willing to stand, and especially students, in seminary, who are willing to be Bereans, God bless you both.

[@danielwright3502]

I was thinking the same thing here is the full video of the Native speaker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ranGXpRnnN9mpdE

They did some of this same crp at Promise Keepers many years ago.

[@Explorethebook]

The American Evangelical Church is complicit in the present unrest in the country. God have mercy on us.

[@georgefredericks2699]

Shame on these professors who espouse these false doctrines, and shame on Trinity for allowing this. I graduated in 1989 from TEDS in Miami , FL. I taught a class for them. Shame on them.

[@bobthompson7910]

I graduated from TEDS with an M DIV in 1987. This is very distressing to see. I have heard reports from friends who have left EFCA congregations because the pastor has taken the church into WOKENESS. Now, I know why some EFCA churches are moving in this direction! I fear that eventually the EFCA could start losing members like other mainline denominations.

[@1776.We.the.people.]

Jon Harris, how do I get ahold of you? I have a similar story that I think you'd like to hear from another Reformed Seminary.

[@donellis7684]

I worked with a young man about 20 years ago. He was of native and white mixed decent and was very angry with white people. He was not treated fairly by either culture. I finally got to the point if saying "I'm sorry your native culture was treated badly and you're right it was wrong for that to happen but it is not my fault it happened." It did not change his opinion but it helped me realize the truth of that.

[@leadinged]

I would like to ask those professors "lamenting" why they didn't do this last year or 5 or 10 years ago? What has changed other than they are following and getting their cue from the culture. Maybe they should read the bible instead of listening to the world.

[@antirnator8194]

The cat understands. Jesus has removed the hostility throughout the Gospel see Ephesians 2:8-22.

[@jonow4528]

Howcome the video quality is 480p? I wish the video quality was better. Great video

[@jeffersonjjohnson]

The Italians were treated worse? That's news to the Finns.

[@howardmakely2169]

Martyn Lloyd Jones was maybe the best preacher of the twentieth century. As all good preachers he did not go to seminary. This conversation clearly shows the problem I have seen it in young men I know who go to Bible schools.

[@leadinged]

Church leaders need to come clean on what they believe and who they are voting for and why. There is too much sneakiness and bafflegab going on.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

The gospel is justification by faith Sanctification irresistibly comes from the Gospel Justification. We do war to tear down strongholds. But Social Justice wars to tear down the gospel and sanctification and scripture and Christianity itself

[@joycemorrice9509]

Just like Wheaton College and Christianity Today -- all woke!

[@AshorDeKelaita]

Jon, the last 2 links on Misused Passages on SJ and White Guilt are the same link.

[@AshorDeKelaita]

@Iljin Cho thanks for the quick reply, brother. I'm emailing you now....

[@ttimetotroll]

12:20 Gospel is soley the verticle reconciliation. The horizontal comes after due to a regenerate heart. Thank for making this crystal clear. 13:50 26:30 "It was just feelings, you know". Wow, that is really telling. Paul says he will "buffet his body " until it is under control of his mind. (We christians have the "mind of christ"). Paul in 1 Thes 4 says, God's will is for your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality... that one is in control of his body and present it as holy and honorable. The bible is clear that one needs to take control of his own vessel and keep it under the mind of christ. When ever I see people following their emotions rather than their brains, that demonstrates that the person isnt controlling their own vessel but rather is letting the body/flesh take control.

[@markgarnett4553]

I’m reading Martyn Lloyd-Jones Commentary on Romans (13) 😆

[@Apeleutheros80]

It seems like the only thing that is being "systemically oppressed" is the truth of the Gospel. The dean of students that Iljin mentioned got me fired up. I can't help but wonder if some of these people in leadership aren't deliberately trying to subvert the Gospel for political/financial reasons.

[@craigchambers4183]

Jon, I did not start watching you until very late last year (2021), and also began to hear of this from other sources (John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham and others). A fellow EFCA Pastor wrote a book on the Woke EFCA, which I got along with your book, and I finally came to quickly understand the issue cause it was always connected to the gospel, and not the post conversion sanctification, but justification. I think it is wrong either way, but especially justification. I still did not know visually and by hearing that this was so entrenched in TEDS. I'm having other issues with EFCA, so I have been seriously considering surrendering my ordination of many decades with them. I discussed these with the leader of our district, who says all the district leaders oppose the Social Justice agenda; but I know that over a year ago the district east of us had a woke leader who did leave, apparently after a church departed from the EFCA over his wokeness. This chaos and struggle was not part of us for so long, and perhaps that is one reason it has taken so long to recognize it.

[@christywang9003]

Hey Thanks for sharing your experience and the right way to interpret Bible verses! I would like to have the written material by Iljin on misused bible passage on social justice. The link provided was to the unbiblical white guilt. Thanks again for your work!!

[@davidharris4478]

I think the best way to understand the behavior of the administrators and profs that are either going along with or don't push back against the CRT/I and Social Justice and Anti-racism stuff to realize that they are careerists. So for example, if the cultural winds change, I fully believe that Trinity and Al Mohler and Russell Moore et. al. will change with it. Ok so Russell Moore is a Democrat, yes. But he rode into his position pleasing and winning the trust of a lot of Repubs in the SBC. The most consistently viable lens trough which to analyze and predict the behavior of these folks is that they are all first and foremost "careerists."

[@terip8661]

I get your point, but I think the term 'cowards' and wolves in sheep's clothing is more appropriate.

[@JonJaeden]

The good news of social-justice theology is that I am no longer responsible in any way for the 60M+ American children murdered in the womb. The condemnation for that will fall on my great-great-great grandchildren who will both bear my sin and be the beneficiaries of generations of birth privilege .

[@patriciagrant6687]

Blessings to the both of you 🙌🏾💯💯

[@mattsteele9766]

Jon when you speak about the barriers faced by Irish (and other) immigrants do you think there is a sense in which those barriers are a kind of structural racism?

[@kathrynludrick4821]

What that native american preacher said is disgusting and insulting and unbiblical.

[@sydneypiano]

Hi CTM, thanks for the informative interview! Are you able to check the link for your "Commonly Misused Bible Passages on Social Justice" document? The link is currently leading to "Unbiblical White Guilt".

[@truthmatters2841]

Hi Jon, Biblical White Guilt and Commonly Misused Bible Passages on Social Justice. Could you fix the link? Thank you!

[@hokieham]

Did you mean to use the same links in the last two resources?

[@tacticalfilmfightingacadem9200]

We confess? WOW. Real repentance of Sin to a Holy God is being sidetracked to a collective sin vs. Individual sin. This will eventually lead to a generation not recognizing it. (personal sin, individual repentance.) Satan is so deceptive. The new sin is collective (which is communism) the old is individual Sin. Ive always said don't look at society for signs of the end times look at the condition of the church. It will tell you. and we are there. For All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God, not Society.

[@johntobey1558]

What is the difference between social sins and corporate sins. Thus is an attempt to reform the church according to communism.

[@nashroberts2900]

That dude who comes on around 21mins in the video is not too far from hell. Jude talks about dudes like this creeping in to church

[@tomhitchcock8195]

Like saying Satan is oppressed by God who is all powerful. The very existence of God would be seen as oppression. Judgement day will stop every mouth

[@micahlantz905]

Yes, our standard is the Bible! Amen brother

[@ephesiology]

If what happened is true, and I see no reason why it isn't, shame on TEDS. Seminary should be a place where theological and cultural ideas are debated safely. There is a place to talk about social justice both its positive and negative merits.