Uncovering The Honda Crf300 Rally: A Detailed Review

[@henrycohen1910]

Thank you, wonderful review. I too am in the Philippines and looking to buy the same bike, but, I'm having trouble finding one to buy. I'm in Negros Oriental about an hour north of Dumaguete. I've been to the main Honda shops and they don't have any in stock and don't know when and if they'll get them in. Very frustrating. If you plan on being in the neighborhood please let me know and perhaps we sit down for a coffee.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks for watching. I know they can still be a little hard to get hold of here. Luckily my dealer scoured Cebu to find one for me. Sounds great. I do get over to Negros occasionally so will give you a shout next time I’m over that way.

[@henrycohen1910]

@@Tripleb6036 I'll be getting mine either next month(july) or august. My dealer is holding one for me. Lets hook up and ride!

[@moontides7220]

Bro I'm retiring in Dumaguete. What about Manila? Buy in the big city and just ride it back home!!

[@TheLyingLeft]

I lived in Negros Occidental (Bacolod City) for four years and went island-hopping on my Honda Wave 100 and 125. Now, I own the CRF300L Rally ABS but I'm back home in the states (Texas). I rode from Bacolod to Dumaguete and then on a barge to Cebu and have fond memories of the mountain pass (albeit scary sharing one lane with Ceres busses and sugar cane trucks). I did so many other mini adventures that I wish to replicate here in the US (TAT, for example) on my Rally. I hope you finally got yours! It's really an awesome bike.

[@lionelemata7433]

Hey Henry, I got lucky. I was staying at Horizon 101 in Cebu and wandered into the Honda dealership next door. They had a Rally on the floor and I knew they were hard to get. Even though I really wanted an L, I snatched up the Rally. It’s perfect for when I’m in country 👍

[@SomewhereInside]

300 rally owner from Oz here , 2700 km …no mods so far …this review in my opinion is probably the best I have seen so far . Don’t have the 5000rpm issue , but did have rego plate vibrating against plastic holder on the back. Brilliant bike .

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks, I appreciate that. Glad you’re loving yours as much as I do mine. Just wish I had access to some of your trails down there. Been watching a lot of the Aussie guys lately and it’s making me want to ride there.

[@natepotter6911]

Great vid, brutha! Always look forward your new stuff! I'm DYING for a Rally, binding my time until finances allow!

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks . Oh it will be worth the wait. I really enjoy mine. It’s not perfect but it’s a great bike for sure.

[@leeinwis]

I bought a used 250 rally, only 900 miles on it, it wasn't about the money it was about availability , which is zero for the 300 for many miles around .

[@stevewalker2397]

Great review. Straight forward. Just bought mine a week ago. I have an Africa Twin and a Goldwing. The Rally is so lightweight and unassuming.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks Steve. I love the weight compared to my old Africa Twin and VStrom 800DE. Means I take it to some places I probably wouldn’t go with the bigger bikes.

[@henrycohen1910]

Hey trip B, finally got the bike! working on acclimating to it, so far so good. Ready to ride with you when you are.

[@Tripleb6036]

Hey, that’s great to hear. My daughter is due next week so my schedule is a little hectic at the moment. Hopefully it will free up in the next month or two.

[@henrycohen1910]

@@Tripleb6036 Perfect, time to gain some confidence on the bike.

[@riggers7480]

Great review- thanks! I replaced my R1200 GS with an Africa Twin PLUS a CRF 300 Rally, for less money than a new GS and I can now contemplate some off road riding, which I wouldn't attempt with a GS. I know I'm not very good offroad, but I found the GS was like a beached whale on soft stuff.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks. That’s a great combination. I was in a similar situation and had a 2021 Africa twin. I really liked that bike except the electronics. Sound was awesome. I ended up needing the money for something else at the time so sold it. Got the Rally and have loved it. I’m not very good off-road either but a combination of the Rally and some off-road training that I’m starting Tuesday next week should help me improve. Hopefully I’ll be making a video series of the training and then I’ll be taking the Rally all over the Philippines for a video series.

[@riggers7480]

Great - I've liked & subscribed, so look forward to reading your adventures. I've got some bascs on the Rally - crash bars like yours, bash plate and tail tidy. At ~110 Kgs with riding kit, I'm going to get the suspension sorted: I'm looking at K tech or Rally Raid.

[@Tripleb6036]

@@riggers7480Appreciate the support, thanks. The Rally RAID really did transform the bike. I hear the KTECH is decent too. The main thing for me was to stop the bike pogo sticking. It now feels great.

[@jonshaw9472]

Fantastic review, the best one I've seen....I'm 58 and returning to biking after 20 years, I want to do light off roading and the 4 mile commute to work. I am on the verge of buying one of these but the rear shock does worry me and every video on this bike raises the same concern. I can't see the sense in spending £6.5k on a brand new bike and then another £600 on upgrading the suspension....gotta admit though it looks absolutely fantastic.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks Jon. Can you get a test ride. Depending on your weight and riding style you might be ok with the rear shock. Upgrades to the shock start from a couple of hundred Pounds. Best of luck, whatever bike you choose.

[@Willi-fx1kz]

Das müssen sie nicht. Hab seit einer Woche eine Rally und ich finde es ist fantastisch auch auf normale Straßen und finde sie sehr bequem, solange man keine Rennen ambitioniert fährt. Nicht abschrecken lassen und kaufen. Die werden begeistert sein wie ich..❤

[@jonshaw9472]

@Willi-fx1kz I really wish I could translate this as I can't read it. Anyway I bought a CRF 300L a month ago, brand new...its absolutely fantastic..worth every penny of the £5399 I paid.

[@lionelemata7433]

Hey TripleB, I had some riding commitments in California and Vietnam so I’ve been gone since May. I’m back and I brought some goodies: front/rear springs for my fat a$$, intake stack from the CBR, 301cc cylinder/piston kit, cams from CBR, reflashed ECU from 550 Performance. Unfortunately, the shock absorber will have to wait until my next trip. When I get my bike together, we should hook up for a ride.

[@ChrisFacciol_LIFELINEPHOTO]

How are you doing, buddy? My name is Chris. I’ve been writing for 50 years on pretty well everything and now in Central America at almost 59 years of age I have an XR 650 L that I bought used and a CRF 300 L that my wife and daughter usethis 300 rally seems like a great bike for Central America. You don’t want a big GS 1200 or 1300 adventure that’s for sure not down here. Anyhow, I really appreciate your video. It was really informative but I think I’m gonna buy that bike as well. Thanks again.

[@Tripleb6036]

Hi Chris, yeh, Ive done the big bikes here and the Rally/CRF are pretty much a perfect size for where I am. I’m sure you’ll enjoy the bike if you get one.

[@joshdicuangco5134]

really love this type of video, specially the video quality

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks, I appreciate that.

[@lozt6032]

I recommend Unifilter, wider pegs, Rentals, Barkbusters, Ktech suspension, FMX pipe. Went around Morocco just fine. I Trail ride it in Wales and the UK with the TRF. Heading back to Morocco in October.

[@Tripleb6036]

I bet Morocco was fantastic. I’ve done all those upgrades (various brands depending on availability in the Philippines) to my CRF 300L as a test compared to my stock bike. I may swap some of the parts over to the Rally at some point. Did you do KTECH front and rear suspension?

[@lozt6032]

Yes F&R, the bike had been across the States before I got it. I had the the shock refreshed last year. It a good set up, still plush and allows the bike to cover the ground much better. I suspect the Rally raid might be a little better? as it has adjustable forks. But mine has never caused me any issues, it works on fast pistes and technical sections really well

[@Tripleb6036]

I haven’t fitted the Rally Raid forks on my L yet as I’m in the UK at the moment. I’ll be fitting them once I’m back in the Philippines along with a Racetek GS3 shock.

[@pawelwolski1316]

I would add filter box mod including the restrictive inner snorkle and ecu tune. I got my from 550 performance, it really wakes up the bike. If u are going into the sand, stiffer clutch springs, removal of the judder springs and installing full size friction plate.

[@Bandit-Iggy]

Fair enough, i just sold me 250 Rally a few days ago, which i done 52000 clicks with, completely stock bike, so i'm looking around which dealer has a 300 in stock, greetings from Thailand, good review.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks for commenting. Appreciate it. How much is the 300 Rally in Thailand?

[@Bandit-Iggy]

@@Tripleb6036 Around 4600 euro's😅

[@flog1010]

Where can I get valve adjustment and shims replaced if necessary? I have a CRF Rally 250.

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

Mate Paul from Australia, I have owned my Rally for around 12 months now and “ rode the wheels off the things “😂😂😂, pretty much ALL off road , to many mods to mention. I’m 56 , and it’s my smallest ADV/ Dual sport since I was riding motorcross “ many years ago “ 1. The tyres I agree ☝️ with you the stock IRC,s I reckon are pretty good 👍,in fact I have brought off other riders , I’m not taking myself up but a lot of riders cannot keep up with my in the trails , so tyres are not the problem, let’s just say maybe 🤔 the rider . An extremely good off road rider ( I’m not putting myself in that ) will ride a dirt bike fast in the bush with any tyre. I call it the tyre excuse. But do agree some tyres offer more grip than others etc BUT an extremely good rider this will not stop 🛑 him or her . 2. If you do an ECU , pipe and air filter mod will gain around 4-5 HP ( putting it in the low to mid 30,s ) 3. Suspesion is CRAP 💩- I put YSS rear and front - why better for jumping . But a fantastic light weight ADV / dual sport bike 👍.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks for the comment Paul. I agree it’s a cracking bike . I’ve done a full system, ECU remap and air box mod on my crf300l as I ride that a bit harder. I’ll likely do a video on it once I’m back home with the bikes next month. Tyres, well I don’t think I push the bike hard enough to really benefit from new ones. The stocks have done fine for how I ride. Sure, some others will work better but I’m getting my moneys worth out of the stock tyres before I buy new ones. Suspension is where I spent my money on the Rally. I put the Rally Raid level 1 shock on it and that transformed the bike and is the first mod I’d recommend to anyone of my size or heavier. Ride safe.

[@_JP18]

Very helpful video. Thanks Mate!

[@Tripleb6036]

Glad it helped!

[@davidmacdonald1283]

Everything you have said about the bike -correct-i have one and can't fault it

[@Tripleb6036]

Glad to hear that David. It is pretty hard to find fault with it. It does everything I want and that’s all I can ask.

[@Brit-Pino]

Hi, did you only change out the mono shock or did you do the front aswell?

[@Tripleb6036]

I just changed out the rear on the Rally. I haven’t rode it hard enough yet to justify doing the front. I am doing both the rear and front on my crf300L though. Video about that will be coming on the channel in due course.

[@franktaylor7617]

😎👍🇺🇲 Sounds like the perfect bike for the area. The motor is a bit small for the US with our speeds averaging in the 50-70 mph (80-120 kph). Even some of our surface streets are 50 mph. As far as getting completely lost in the Phils. Sounds perfect.👍 Now if you could build a flat bed sidecar that detaches with a couple of pull-pins. You could haul that flat screen back from the SM Mall and a months worth of groceries.😏 Just don't build it out of bamboo or rebar. And no stick welding. Cheers mate. P.S. If you get bored. You can check out the cell phone videos. Most of my bikes are in there in different places and so is the Mini. ✌️

[@Tripleb6036]

Yeh, I can imagine for the US it may not be ideal for the bigger roads there and with the vast distances you guys sometimes have to cover. Still, a great bike. Not too sure it’s gonna rip with a sidecar on it though 😂😂😂

[@franktaylor7617]

@@Tripleb6036 A nice light weight sidecar for carrying goods would be awesome. Just something that attaches with a few simple brackets and pins. Sturdy enough to carry 100 lbs or so. If you have a vehicle it wouldn't be necessary but if you're completely depending on two wheels for everything. Turning the bike into a pickup truck would be cool. Just my tinkering brain thinking out loud. 😏

[@Tripleb6036]

@@franktaylor7617I can see you’re going to need to buy a trike (tuktuk) 😁

[@franktaylor7617]

@@Tripleb6036 No way Man. Well maybe. Nope I just can't do it. Well, maybe....😆 I did see a lot of privately owned tricycles on my last trip. They were a lot nicer than the typical taxi type. Those are pretty sketchy. (Especially with my fat a$$ making it drive even worse). The whole family would show up all packed into one. I guess I'll have to ride across that bridge if I ever get there.

[@KiwiPokerPlayer]

What sort of incline can this bike maintain 100km/h at? I live in NZ and am looking to get my first bike. Here we are limited to 650cc until we get our full license, so my options are limited. We have a lot of mountains here and I'm worried I'll hold up traffic up hill with only 300cc on tap. The next best option is the Himalayan 450 for what I want to do, but I'm concerned about reliability with that bike, I want to go pretty remote.

[@Tripleb6036]

I’ve been up some pretty steep roads and can hold 100kph in 4th or 5th gear without problems. See this video around the 27.15 mark and you’ll see I’m pulling up a pretty steep hill and accelerating up over 100kph easily on my L. The rally will do the same. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3LLh4t_eK2dbbcsi=xzHeLBAwcHVUwAvO

[@bentravis99]

Great video, thank you!

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks Ben.

[@stwrtmck7067]

Thanks for the video,,!! Ta

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks for watching

[@Γιώργος-ξ2γ]

Great review!

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks . Hope you found it helpful.

[@TrippyTrails520]

great review mate! I am planning to buy this bike soon. does it work well with a passenger?

[@Tripleb6036]

It depends on the size of your passenger I’d say. In the Philippines it’s fine.

[@themagiclifeinthephilippines]

I live in Puerto Galera Mindoro Where are you living Thinking about 300 rally for deeper exploring vs my 390 adventure

[@Tripleb6036]

I’m on Cebu island. The Rally is much more capable off road .

[@billjesstaylor]

Great vid but I’m still torn between the 300L and the Rally. I live in rural Alaska. A lot of rugged trails, but I’m 49 years old so not going ballz to the wall on them. 300 L is a bit lighter, but, I would add the after market windscreen and bigger tank bringing the weight up slightly, and not as much plastic to break. And, that’s starting to equal out in cost for either bike anyway. Struggling with that. Thanks for the video!

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks for watching. I’m insanely jealous of your location being a photographer, nature lover and biker (at least for part of the year). Honestly, if you’re not trying to go as quickly as possible the Rally will likely do everything that you need. It’s still light enough to easily pick up. If the trails are on your doorstep go with the L. If you ride to the trails get the Rally. Either way they’re both good bikes. Did you see my latest video on the L (I own both)? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGHLZ3WEo7efeacsi=lWzE2KTQaJuKMbMm

[@danielgareauiii9241]

There's a lot more 300Ls becoming available than Rallys. It's like 6 to 1 at my dealership. That said I love my 2023 Rally but it's not the 2024 Rally I ordered. I'm technically still waiting for that one but I lucked out on a used one.

[@airadaimagery692]

I have a 300l and a Rally version. There is nothing I can’ do on the L, that I can’t do on the Rally. I have a windshield on the L but the Rally offers more wind protection due to the fairing. I went with the lower crash bars on the Rally vs the upper protection type and I’ve dropped the bike 5 times and no broken plastics. I also have the type of hand guards that are attached to the triple tree on both my bikes, with Zeta triple tree hand guard mounting brackets.. In my opinion, this protects the upper portion of the bike much better than the more traditional type mounted hand guards.

[@carmago88]

@@airadaimagery692 Can you please tell us what brand and model of lower crash bars yo have. Thanks in advaced. (sorry for mi spellling which I guess its quite rusty)

[@airadaimagery692]

@I really don’t know what the name brand of the crash bars are that I installed on my Rally. It was early 2022 when I purchased them, and I just took a chance on what was available on eBay for $200US. At the time, there weren’t many options to choose from. But I can say this, if I were to have to buy them again, I think I would rather have the ones that have the integrated bash/skid plate included. I say that not only because you get a skid plate and crash bars combo, but the extra parts and bracing create a more sturdy and rigid construction. I have dropped my bike several times., and even though I have not damaged any plastics, I did have to loosen all the bolts on the crash bars and reposition them back to center. Because during one of my crashes, the crash bars shifted/bent to one side, and it was actually touching the plastic on the inside. But all and all, the crash bars did there job well. I think the name of the site that has the crash bars that I really like is called SRC Moto. I’m not 100% positive of that, but if you can’t find them, let me know and I’ll try to find them. But if I’m not mistaken, I think those can be found on eBay as well.

[@floydcua8325]

how much is the fairings to be replaced and where?

[@Tripleb6036]

I dont know. Take a look at www.bikerbitz.com as they seem to have most replacement parts.

[@Alan-rz2fc]

How much the crf goes for in philippine? I have the same bike in canada

[@Tripleb6036]

$7450 CAN although I got a slight discount on that price. What part of Canada are you in? I have family just outside Toronto. Would love to ride some trails out there.

[@Alan-rz2fc]

@TripleB6036 i am in Alberta Wow, The price you put there is not much Less than that here. Maybe a thousand dollar. If I recall. In canadian west we have lots of trail that goes to the Canadian mountains And nice to ride.. Around September I'm supposed to be in philippine on cebu island A place called Sogod

[@Alan-rz2fc]

I remember you saying with limited mechanical skill. There are a few video on how to do the front shocks from rallyraid. And it come with good instructions. This year I'm doing back and front suspension with rallyraid For the rear shocks I went with the reservoir. Also I bought raiser for the handlebar and bigger handle bar It is not that complicated

[@Tripleb6036]

@@Alan-rz2fcoh fantastic countryside in Alberta. I’m also a photographer so Banff national park appeals to me apart from the crowds. You’re doing okay price wise is Canada then as in the uk they’re selling for $11,225 CAN 👀 Sogod is in the north of Cebu. I’m about 2 hours south of Cebu city. Depending on when you come I’ll be renting bikes out later this year including a Rally, a couple of 300L’s , VStrom 800 DE and others. Give me a shout if you need anything.

[@Tripleb6036]

@@Alan-rz2fcI would have gone with the reservoir but it wasn’t available when I ordered. I enjoy working on the bike, just got to ensure Ive got the right tools before doing the forks. I’ve seen a couple of videos fitting the forks. Doesn’t look complicated as long as you’re methodical. I’ve just ordered a bunch of stuff from CRF’s only for my L model including fat bars with a higher bend, levers, foot pegs and a few other bits. Just got to be patient for them to be delivered here now. I’ll see how the bars are and then look at getting some for the Rally too.

[@diggy-d8w]

Very comprehensive study & @ 16;20 you called the roads there by some name - in Texas we call em' a dirt road, yeah. Three gallons of gas @ 65 miles p/ gallon is good, most comparable bike only have 2 gallon tanks and you said the Display indicates the gears you are in & the gas levels? If that's correct a lot of the Dual Sports don't have these things. The front suspension might be something to consider but only after riding her. I'm 170lbs @ 5' 6" so the windscreen will give me FULL Coverage, lol? Are all those plastics costly or do they get broken easy? I ask b/c some people buy a backup set of plastics that they put stickers/graphics on and put the stock plastics away. Wrapped up & stored, using the 2nd set for riding & if those get broke, so what but when/if you sell her you've got all the original plastics to put back on her? This is a well thought out review.... most take her out & review the 1st ride which means they don't know much about it..... they know it's different than the last one they rode but that's about it? Thanks for the info as I try to navigate the dual sport world of bikes... peace

[@Tripleb6036]

I probably said guiso which is a kind of dried limestone rock smashed and dusted up a bit. At least that’s what it looks like. Dirt roads about right though. Yep, the bike has gear position and fuel indicators as well as a bunch of other stuff such as trip meters etc, no range though. I’m not sure about the cost of the plastics off the top of my head although I know some riders do what you say and buy spares. I think they’re easy to get hold of so I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it as I spent all my money on bikes 😂 Haha the screen will be perfect, I find it fine at 6ft. I’m guilty of doing those first rides too sometimes but these days I want to give out a little more in depth and useful info if I can. I’m in the UK at the moment, travelling back to the Philippines tomorrow so will be back with the bikes and hopefully uploading more videos in a week or so. Appreciate your comments and I’m slightly envious of your trails down in Texas. I’d love to ride out there.

[@diggy-d8w]

Thanks for the time & get back home safely..... I'll yell at you when you get back as you seem to have plenty to see. ty again, peace

[@FarLanderz]

Hey , nice video. Is the shock rally raid stage 1 or 2 ?

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks. I went for the level 1 shock on my Rally as I didn’t want to increase the seat height as I’m using it for adventure rather than pure Offroad performance.

[@FarLanderz]

@@Tripleb6036 thanks alot !! I just subscribed

[@davidfleet]

@@johnrolavs6794hey, I think the bike will be perfect for that. And at your wife’s size you’ll have no problems two up power wise. The only issue with doing the Rally Raid level 2 shock is whether it affects the geometry of the bike negatively if you don’t also do the forks due to the extra height added. Saying that, if you’re just using it as an explorer and run around I can’t imagine it would be a problem. FYI I have the level 1 Rally Raid and at your height (I’m 6ft) I’d think you’ll want the extra height and leg room for comfort. Thanks for the heads up about the seats. I find the stock one okay for what I do now.

[@JoshSinnott97]

Is there any reason why somebody who also wants to do touring every so often with the majority of their riding being day trips and weekend camping trips should buy the rally instead of the L? People have turned the L into a "rally" with the upgraded fuel tank, rally tower etc. The only thing you end up missing out on is the wind protection from the fairings bit you get the perk of not having to add crash bars to protect the plastics when you drop it Obviously you thought there was a need to buy 1 of each bike (L and rally) so itd be interesting to hear your reasons for choosing to buy the rally as aposed to making the L into more of an adv bike Also, sorry for asking questions on most of your videos recently 😂

[@Tripleb6036]

No need to apologise at all. I enjoy answering questions if I can. In my case, I wanted to try both for the channel but also, getting parts here can be problematic and expensive. The extra fuel range and screen were the main things I wanted and at the time I couldn’t find decent options for the L. A couple of smaller things you also get with the Rally are larger footpegs with rubber inserts and a switchable plug and play power connection in the side of the fairing (both fairly easy to replicate). The price to add those things to the L and import them is more than the price difference between the bikes here. But I don’t see any reason for someone who is prepared to upgrade the L to their liking to buy the Rally instead. As long as they’re happy with the accessory parts available and to work on their bike. I guess the Rally is a straight out of the box solution for those who want it.

[@JoshSinnott97]

@@Tripleb6036Thank you! access to parts is one thing i never considered for you. I'm pretty spoilt for choice as there's adv bike stores locally where I can buy rally towers, fuel tanks etc so that separates the bikes even less as far as which one wins me over I do wonder if fitting these parts will void my warranty though, I'll have to chat to my dealer and weigh up if it's worth it. The appeal of having a bike that's ready to go from the showroom definitely could be enough to win my over too. I'm always changing my mind aha I just think that I could make the L a more flexible bike :)

[@Tripleb6036]

@@JoshSinnott97ah no such luck for me. I end up importing a lot of parts from the states or uk. Got a load of parts coming from America at the moment for my L and a couple for the Rally too. As I have both models I’m making the L my dirtbike and the Rally a bit more adventure biased. Should keep me busy for a while. Originally I’d planned on doing exactly what you are with the L.

[@JoshSinnott97]

@@Tripleb6036i feel for you, that would drive the price of mods way up! It's interesting to hear that was your plan with the L. A lot of people seem to do it with the L. Is the lack of wind protection on the L bad? would you still commute on it? I think long term I'll buy a street bike as a second bike if the budget allows as that's been a dream of mine since a kid but the priority is something I can take off road so i can live the lifestyle I want. Starting on a dual sport would be easier for me to deal with if I drop the bike too. I'd be fighting back tears on a street bike lol. in a couple of years I'll have enough skill to hopefully never have to go through that on my nicer bike aha

[@pawelwolski1316]

The bike as delivered by Honda is an "unfinished" product. The suspension (both ends but especially the shock are bubble gum joke). Switch gear, Honda is too cheap to install a passing light switch (I live in Asia, people pull in front of me all the time). They can't run a USB port from the already installed plug in the harness. The engine is all choked up, to max low rpm torque on 286cc engine. Once you open up the intake track (including inner snorkle), install full exhaust and a good tune, this motor finally comes alive in a beautiful way. Stock tires suck on the road, the front end falls into turns........big looking tool box is tiny inside. It took $2500 to fix my Rally. Honda could have done it for $150 at the factory........They don't care........I do have the MT450, bought it for my European trips. It's a nice bike, but it comes with very short final gearing. 110 kmh is the "comfortable" speed limit I ride it. I was looking for the ability to do 130 kmh on the longer scratches. I do like the 450, but it is 40 kg heavier, and the longer/higher speeds causing is not what I thought I was getting. Hope this helps.

[@Tripleb6036]

Thanks Pawel. The weight put me off the MT450 and I cancelled my order. The gearing also wouldn’t sit me at an appreciably higher speed than the Rally to be honest. I’ve done all those mods to my CRF300L. It definitely brings the engine to life.

[@fcalin21]

It is not a cheap motorcycle but it has very cheap suspension.

[@Tripleb6036]

I think the price depends on where you live. In the Philippines it’s a lot cheaper than the UK for example.

[@fcalin21]

@@Tripleb6036 6700 euro in Europe. 5600 euro for CFMOTO 450 MT.

[@leeinwis]

@@fcalin21 Cfmoto, when you want to support Chinese world domination...good job .

[@mattmoore9812]

Also you have to compare it to the other entries to say "cheap." Other bikes in this category... KTM, Husqvarna so on are twice the price. So "cheap" applies here I think.

[@fcalin21]

@@mattmoore9812 Try to compare it to CFMoto 450 MT.

[@lionelemata7433]

Hey TripleB, I had some riding commitments in California and Vietnam so I’ve been gone since May. I’m back and I brought some goodies: front/rear springs for my fat a$$, intake stack from the CBR, 301cc cylinder/piston kit, cams from CBR, reflashed ECU from 550 Performance. Unfortunately, the shock absorber will have to wait until my next trip. When I get my bike together, we should hook up for a ride.

[@Tripleb6036]

Hey , no worries as I’m back in the UK for a while longer yet. Sounds like you’ve gone to town on the bike. Have you fitted everything yet? I’ll be back in Cebu in a few months time. Planning lots of rides.