Rim Brake Resurgence? The TriRig Omega One

I can't believe that as a mountain biker i just watched a 7 minute ad of an areo rim brake :D

[@rickdeckard6597]

Same here... I can't explain...

[@TheMrbrookster]

Dunno, it seemed more like an infomercial.

[@judosteffer]

Dudes a hell of a salesman

[@markusseppala6547]

It's the manson lamps

[@myburneraccount669]

Next week you gonna buy a gravel bike, and a week after that a touring bike, and then finally a road bike

[@hoizkiacha]

I'm still on rim brakes and ever will.

[@hoizkiacha]

Plus: I like the cute little curly lock of hair on your forehead.

[@leftymadrid]

Rim brakes are perfect for my riding abilities... What's really incredible and sickening is how those companies tried to force riders into the Disc brake ...

[@tomdomagalski3679]

Tried and trying. Actually it's happening. The same as removing headphone jacks from phones we're becoming victims of technology

[@wannabecarguy]

@@leftymadrid me too.

[@durianriders]

Rim for road and disc for dirt.

[@worldsend69]

And dirt for disc pad contamination.

[@russmartinez7988]

Add water

[@sepg5084]

Hydraulic for brakes, cable for shifters.

[@sepg5084]

​@@worldsend69 tell that to mountain bikers

[@TechInfo-ul4xr]

😂 DISC FOR SCAMMING FOR PARTS

[@MrChippinator]

Last spring I was out cycling in pouring rain. My bike has rim brakes but I use alloy rims. I had no problems stopping whatsoever. I'm not racing, ride my bike for training (I also go to the gym), so I see no reason to replace my 10 year old bike with rim brakes and alloy rims. Never had a problem with that setup.

[@deadreckoner5276]

I have mostly rim brake bikes. But I have GRX Di2 hydraulics on my gravel bike and they are honestly incredible. For adverse weather and rougher conditions disc is a no brainer.

[@adamjd7645]

​@deadreckoner5276 I've never lacked the ability to lock the wheels in wet weather with a rim brake & alloy rims. The limiting factor is always the road-tyre interface.

[@markswales762]

Common sense you’ve got it………discs…more money for manufacturers of bikes…then it will die and back to rims on aluminium, yes discs for mountain bikes going into mud etc.

[@monkmchorning]

I've been using nothing but rim brakes for over 50 years, in all kinds of weather, and I'm still alive. Actually, I've never had a crash because of insufficiency of my brakes.

[@freenational]

​@@adamjd7645, true.

[@pizzomedia7261]

I never bought into the disc brake nonsense for road bikes. Rim brakes on a road bike are cheaper & easier to maintain and I've never had a problem stopping with them. Glad to see you guys continuing to innovate on a better solution instead of cashing out on marketing BS like the big manufacturers did.

[@vasiliipopov416]

The last rim brake bike I had was cursed with one issue - since I lived in northern parts with lots of rains and did ride on all surfaces, including light gravel, every season I had to change the wheels because the dust and sand combined with water created a perfect grinding paste to obliterate the rim's braking surface. I used Kool Stop wet weather brake pads and those served for about 5-7 thousand kilometers, however, for each two pairs of pads new rims were needed as well. There you have it for "simplicity" and "ease of maintenance". And we don't even have as much rain as in the UK.

[@oreocarlton3343]

You had alu or carbon rims and cleaned them regularly?

[@wesleyvandeurzen7199]

wiping down the rims and the pads takes like 5 minutes. You should have done that atleast 1 time a week if you ride alot

[@StonerOnLane]

Don't blame the equipment for your relaxation, I live in a beach area, I get rained on all the time and my rims have 30,000km

[@markthomasson5077]

And scary if you blow a rim.

[@markthomasson5077]

I guess if you can afford such exotic kit, either you can afford new rims, or you save it for race days

[@EnricoGaletta]

All the new generation of rim brakes are already superior to disc but factories marketing really tricks people overd a decade on buying something they don't need. There is no way a disc brakes is better then a good rim brake with good pads, less maintenance, cheapest, better modulation, lighter. Very nice video, I'm curios to try these brakes now..

[@drill_fiend1097]

These are fine for road/triathlon bikes on dry, sunny day, but for gravel, mountain and general mixed weather commuting I would prefer disc.

[@holben27]

I hear this all the time, but rim brakes are fine in all weather if you're on alloy wheels. I'm a winter commuter who rides a single speed rim brake bike. Discs and hydraulic lines accumulate water and freeze. After this made me late to work 3 times in a row, I went to cantilever brakes and never looked back. Bonus is they have enough clearance to keep snow and ice from accumulating on the brakes.

[@drill_fiend1097]

@@holben27 mechanical disc brakes does exist though. But I do annual bleeding for my hydraulic brakes and never had fluids freezing from water getting in.

[@neptarclepuffin]

@@drill_fiend1097 Have used them also have issues with feed back from not maintaining them (shteel rusts). Rim brakes are simpler and easier to repair and the pads are extremely standardized to the point where there are no other mounting points other than a singular M6 bolt, probably a spherical washer but you reuse that hardware. I still won't buy this informercial rim brake though, the tire in front of that caliper is already turbulent due to the air sticking to it and causing vortices. I do like hydraulic brakes if they recommend mineral oil in them, the dot 3 is hydroscopic. PS use silicone O-Rings on your cups or over time they will leak onto your rotor and wipe the entire setup out, then you have to bake them out and sand the rotors LIGHTLY you don't want to change the thickness of them.

[@DEAR7340]

@@holben27 He's talking about road/triathlon bikes; you are arguing a different point - - that I understand and agree with. I have 2 road bikes: 1) a modern bike with electronic shifting and hydraulic brakes 2) my steel 1987 Panasonic Team America with downtube shifters and rim brakes. I do all the work on them both. If I experience a mechanical issue, I am more likely to be able to engineer a safe roadside solution on the old bike than the new. However, the modern bike brings a different set of benefits that are equally enjoyable and useful - - and in some ways superior.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

@@holben27 mineral oil will freeze at -22F DOT oil will not freeze, so no you are not going to freeze brake fluid.

[@robertsamuel1994]

Great vid. Couple of points you didn't touch upon: Tyre clearance, rolling resistance and tyre-rim aerodynamics. Would love to hear you thoughts on those, as they are stated to be extra benefits for disc brakes.

[@tririg]

Definitely worthy of future discussion! I did have some of that in this video but it was already getting too long so I clipped it. Long story short … even accounting for those factors it’s still in favor of rim brakes. But by all means use wide rims and tires! Omega One opens VERY wide and can easily bite a 32mm+ rim.

[@stijndeklerk]

Just what I was thinking. Even pro cyclists are opting for 30-32mm tires no (because they are no longer restricted by rimbrake caliper width.

[@leesem3201]

How are you going to hide the cables? All your aero gains lost with the exposed cables.

[@IlPinnacolo]

​​@@leesem3201the cable sits directly ahead of the head tube so there's no increase in frontal area.

[@evanm.2300]

​@leesem3201 dude its a cable...ur fine😅

[@TheRayDog]

Beautiful and well deserved addition to the cycling world. Discs have added spokes, complexity, weight, and drag.

[@MarcAntoineBouchet]

living in the Alps, by any weather, I'd never go back to rim brakes for 10km+ steep downhills, mostly during rainy days, discs have been game changers for safety here, already had exploded a tube because of the heat generated on the rim. But for flat riding, aero, maintenance and cost, I totally agree with you.

[@oreocarlton3343]

It exploded on carbon clinchers?

[@MarcAntoineBouchet]

@@oreocarlton3343 It was on aluminum Mavic front rim after I climbed the "Semnoz"

[@oreocarlton3343]

@@MarcAntoineBouchet yikes, did you crashed? It happened to me as well, before I thought it was a myth but because of wrong pads on ceramic oldschool rims

[@MarcAntoineBouchet]

@@oreocarlton3343 yes I did, but I've been lucky not to get hurt, I'm really careful since this happened^^ I hope you didn't crash, it's scary ! It only happened one time for me.

[@oreocarlton3343]

@@MarcAntoineBouchet I did mtb for a long time and decided to get a road bike (like many XXXtreme mtbers who try road you entered it with a slight sense of superiority and thing you know everything important), I got a very nice old school used road bike for a nice price. Since I was on hydro disc brakes for so long and did the same mountain road descents on my local mountain in Croatia with my old V-brake mtb, I thought I knew everything I need to know about brakes and especially rim brakes and didnt asked a mechanic to look the bike up (since after all I majored to hydros and did XXXtreme mtb - many people sadly get to think like that) . What I forgot to realize is that stated max tire pressure on road is more than 2x of mtb time so a big volume mtb tire is very hard to explode by rim overheating...anyway on my first descent with that road bike (it had shimano pads on ceramic mavic rims and not salmons when I bought it so you really had to squeeze it and 20mm skinwalls but Im no complainer and forgot the technicalities of rims and pad combo during that time) on the same road Ive done so many times I noticed a change in pressure on the front tire after exiting a switchback at around 40kmh. Ive experienced many rear pinchflats and a few fronts on mtb so the feeling of pressure loss at speeds was there. I stopped at the side of the road to check the front tire and it was dead flat. Rim was ultra hot. I didnt crashed but a lot could have happened if I didnt stop to check when I felt I needed to. After that Ive changed rims and pads, never dragged the brake like a tool and it never happened again, but tube blowouts from braking are not a myth they can be fatal at descent speeds. I think they are more common with beginners who drag the brakes and not brake with intention to let them cool down. Long story but Ive learned a lot from it. Also, rim brake bikes, braking aside, are more enjoyable to ride, they feel more planted, disc brakes also have spoke windup and their initial bite is noticeable compared to calipers. Ive only noticed that after riding rims again.

[@aaceytuno]

Have these on a 2007 Cyfac proxidium aluminum frame bike , maximized for aero and durable parts with 60mm deep wheels, not weight weening sits at 7kg . The thing is a rocket , prior to Tri-rig install , I noticed that the only place that always gathered dust was the front of the headset , hence a dead spot for air . I installed these puppies on the front, now there is no dirt on the headset because this thing is slicing the air . Hands down , this brake does what’s advertised on the box .

[@tririg]

Awesome! We love hearing independent results, tests, anecdotes, etc, just as you’ve described. We try very hard to be very honest in our claims.

[@andrewgoddard3350]

You know the biggest air drag on your time trial rig is the human body.....these brakes are a waste of money 💰

[@aaceytuno]

@@andrewgoddard3350 all good man , you do you . Yes the human body is the biggest drag , after optimization of position there are only so many other points to optimize . If we all gave up on pushing boundaries, we would all still be riding penny farthings, and honestly if you want to ride a penny farthing than by all means , you do you .

[@OGillo2001]

As a mate put it, '...on Mallorca, disc brakes are solving a problem we haven't got...'

[@ohnezuckerohnefett]

Thanks for stepping out of your shower just to bring us this important message.

[@SkarTisu]

Good job building in tire clearance and additional reach adjustment. Those were the two things that immediately came to mind as worries when I started the video.

[@TheAntoine191]

It might not be relevant to a pure racing triathlon bike but what i like in discs is wet braking consistency and not grinding my carbon rims. Then i m a rim brake user, mostly because i dont want to change stuff that work and perform.

[@weberito]

Guy is just selling his product omitting the obvious. Really poor marketing.

[@rosomak8244]

@@weberito Ah the rain man argument again. That's because people love to get out on a bike when there water is pouring from the skies. BTW> Switch your pads when they are no good in rain.

[@weberito]

@@rosomak8244 I guess you just never mtb’d in moderate climate where quarter of the year is muddy, this is not imaginary problem

[@DilbertMuc]

@@rosomak8244 I guess you never cycled in the Alps where on blue sky suddenly clouds appear and you have a 1000m descent in rain showers. Canti and rim brakes in general let you grow grey hair in a time lapse all the way down to the valley.

[@waynehiggins899]

Rim for road disc for dirt

[@johndavid3474]

This is a good video that’ll strengthen people’s faith in rim brakes. I have a disc brake frame that needs disc brakes, even though this video was not what I was looking for, I found this it very informative.

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Really sick of the forced move to disc brakes personally. A properly setup set of rim brakes rocks, without all the weight and squealing of disks. I prefer the feel as well.

[@ericl6460]

Sick of being forced to move to cars. A properly fed horse rocks. I prefer the feel as well 😂

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

@@ericl6460 Montana is calling... 😁

[@makantahi3731]

it is good only in wet condition, in dry condition , road bike design can not take all power of disc brakes because of too short wheel distance

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

@@ericl6460yeah go get that car, make sure its an EV to save the environment too, don't miss out 🤡

[@HCMORGI]

unless you ride in all weather, were rim brakes suck and shred your expensive rims. for traithlon and sun shine only riders - sure, stick to your rim brakes.

[@Jarrych83]

I just got some Kool Stop pads for my rim brakes on my commuter bike. Never had a problem stopping on 40% downgrades in pouring rain in seattle after riding through all kinds of road yuck toward the bike lanes. And these were the standard cannondale V brakes that come on lots of their commuter and consumer bikes.

[@linaslinas3170]

Kool stop is a legend which seems to be dying :(

[@Jarrych83]

@@linaslinas3170 maybe I better order a few pairs...

[@fdshybgv46twgs5ssrjufhfg-pf7lf]

Even though the price is high I still appreciate the continued development of rim brakes.

[@rollerinside]

Love the product, love the way you designed it going backwards.

[@lfgd00]

Agree with all of his points. For road use, the only scenario where disk brakes are a clever option is in the wet. I live in southern California, which is comparatively dry (short, light rainy season)and although we have plenty of steep climbs, my 3 bikes are rim brake. No need for heavier, clunkier stuff.

[@eonreeves4324]

I love my hydraulic disc brakes. there was no looking back for me

[@victorrodriguez2806]

I absolutely agree, Disc brakes are not necessarily on tri bikes or road bikes. The bicycle parts manufacturers forced them on bikes and bike shops. Then bike shops had to force them on the customer. The Disc system has had a ton of problems in the initial trial years. And have settled into a subpar marginal component. The bicycle was so great for over a hundred years due to its elegant simplicity. I know I'm preaching to the choir here so I'll cut my rant short. Thanks for staying in the game and continuing to innovate. In time we'll see disc drop off in popularity and become a high cost niche item that few will desire.

[@jaymueller2418]

Yeah. I mean, mountain bikes are all going back to rim brakes.

[@manchesterexplorer8519]

Disk brakes are not needed for anything other than for bombing down the side of a mountain.

[@Bernholesurfer]

​@@jaymueller2418still riding my 26" Bridgestone MB-2 with Dia Compe cantilevers in the front and a Suntour Rollercam in the back. Not all of us crave performance and the latest tech available.

[@rickstout01]

Something hasn't been forced on you if there is an alternative.

[@frozerekmeyata4091]

​@@jaymueller2418 I didn't read in his post anything about MTB's, can you read?

[@ThomasGerlach4Tri]

Nice explanation Nick. Another product (disc) that was invented to solve a problem that doesn't really exist in triathlon. Especially so if pairing rim brakes with HED JET+ Black rims.

[@ivanboesky1520]

Well to be honest disc brakes have not been pushed onto the road bike and Tri world by accident. It is and has always been about profits. Sell the rider a disc brake at a higher initial price and margin versus a rim brake and put them into a product that is far more finicky, and requires both its brake pads and rotors to be replaced far more frequently and at far higher replacement costs versus a rim brake. 😀

[@andreaslaroi8956]

@@ivanboesky1520 While your point has some merit, you're making it under a video selling a $275 rim brake.

[@paulflory3532]

@@andreaslaroi8956 While your point is well taken, it's worth pointing out that really really nice Ultegra 8000 rim brakes can be had for $65 each. Far superior to the single pivot side pull rim brakes of yore. One of the plusses of the mfrs pushing to discs is great discounts on rim stuff.

[@eb2675]

This brake may have its merits. I have a tri rig adjustable aero bar, and the rail based seat post bottle mount ("beta bottle carrier"). I give them credit they have reasonably innovative ideas. However the design or manufacturing QC is sub par. The bar is adjustable and convenient, but the two arms are the most flexy bike handle bars I've ever owned in my life, totally disconcerting to ride. As for the beta bottle carrier, the rod broke before I even left the smooth parking lot I parked in for the very first ride with it when it was loaded within spec. I went back and dropped stuff off at my car and jammed bottles in my jersey. I contacted tri rig on both, was ghosted and never heard from the company again.

[@gregbianchi2689]

I have Cane Creek EE brakes and love them. Light and very strong.

[@ChrisAcheson]

Brakes are the most important thing on any vehicle. Rim brakes on aluminum works are OK. Disc brakes are more dependable in the rain. Enjoy the ride.

[@lesterroberts1628]

maybe disc brakes are for touring bikes that are loaded up with gear and need to handle extended steep descents without popping the tube from an overheated rim

[@jeraldsomdahl5651]

I've used rim brakes for over 50 years. 3-4 thousand miles a year. Can't see any reason to change to discs. I did use hub brakes for a while in a rainy area. I do have Tririg brakes on my tt bike.

[@peterdallyn6440]

It depends on what you're using the bike for. I've used rim brakes for 30 years and love my disc brakes, far superior. In the wet there's no competition.

[@granfondoguide5991]

Right on!

[@rockstopsthetraffic]

Rim brakes are fine on alloy rims. Love the modulation, love them in the city, love the ease of maintenance. Kool-Stop pads seem nice too. Don't care too much about absolute areo or absolute speed, just highly annoyed with people who think rim brakes are unsafe or something silly like that. The braking disc is literally the size of the wheel. If your braking materials are fine, so is your braking power.

[@oreocarlton3343]

Rim brakes do loose power in the wet, that is true but overall they are a superior option. PS despite not loosing so mu h power disc initial bite is stronger which causes a lot of crashes on thin tires

[@rockstopsthetraffic]

@@oreocarlton3343 yeah. With good pads and maintenance, they're more than adequate in rain as well, as long as you're not on some extremely heavy or high-torque e-bike. It all depends what you're doing. I like going reasonably quick but I'm also commuting on a city street most of the time. I want to slow down gradually at anticipated red lights, knowing I can still stop. I want to quickly replace my pads for cheap every few months. If I were on the bleeding-edge doing racing, or needing to stop on a dime on rocky terrain, I might have a very different opinion.

[@frozerekmeyata4091]

@@oreocarlton3343 Using Kool Stop Salmon pads grip wet aluminum rims like you would not believe, you'll think you're on disks.

[@akaraikiriakatsuki3157]

The only downside I can see in Disc Brakes for road bikes is the PRICE. I don't know what data are you looking when you say rim brakes are more reliable, because not everyone weighs 50kg, some of us weight 80-130kg which needs more clamping force. Not to mention the reliability on different weather conditions, sure the disc brake system wasn't perfect but if a cheap MT200 brake system can be used for years w/o any maintenance, I don't understand why road bike disc brakes can become less reliable.

[@meliodashadeyoshi2115]

I just got a hold of a rabobank giant tcr 2013 and definitely love the rim brakes!

[@Todd66]

I can see how Rim Brake would be better for aero. I’m a MTB rider, so disc brakes are really ideal for my application, but damn!!! Those TRO 1 are badass looking. I DIG the engineering, so impressive. If I rode road (lol) I would rock those bad boys. Kudos Good video too!

[@joshuadohmen]

Using them on a P5. Best rim brake I have ever used! Expensive though ...

[@universe-juice]

Im a huge fan of the p5. How has it been for you?

[@joshuadohmen]

​@@universe-juice good so far. Interesting to see that the old p5 frame is still used by so many. Martin Toft Madsen, Anna Kiesenhofer, Dan Bigham ...

[@danamellerio5833]

I’m thinking of bringing my old P5 out of retirement and getting it back in shape. Do you know how the Omega One compares to the P5 Magura brakes?

[@joshuadohmen]

Very good!! Also, you probably won't have a choice. Spare parts for the Maguras are very rare today. The Omega is a no-brainer for the p5 ... so easy to set-up and strong. Expensive though

[@danamellerio5833]

@@joshuadohmen And the rear brake? Another Omega or something else? Thanks!

[@heiko6376]

Great. That video makes my day (and that of my 2018 P5) 😎

[@jamesdpayton83]

I have never come across a set of brakes that stop better than my old Shimano xtr v brakes.

[@manchesterexplorer8519]

I rock the XTR's on my 1991 Kona Hei Hei and they work great . The only thing a disc brake is needed for is downhill mountain biking , other than for extreme downhill biking disc brakes are never really needed.

[@oreocarlton3343]

Hydraulic Disc's are way more powerful than the strongest vbrake, but all that power is useless outside of mtb, disc's also have a strong initial bite compared to rims so a lot of initial modulation is lost

[@DaBinChe]

the old Advid Ultimate V brakes from 20+years ago before SRAM are better than the XTR V brakes. I still have a set on my brothers 25year old mtb

[@MichaelDavid-p1i]

There was an oak tree in Woodford that was better than any brakes ever invented. It stopped my brother from riding in a road. Tree no long exists as my dad cut it down. RIP brother Danial

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

Can we also please keep the square taper bottom bracket?.... Or at least a threaded bottom bracket?

[@federicozucconi2937]

what about the negative effect of rim brakes on carbon wheels, i.e. dirt and temperature damaging the carbon and possibly causing ruptures?

[@markahles1580]

Great video. Good for tri bikes! Same analogy would apply to road bikes as well. Grand tours seem to have more downhill crashes with all disc bikes over past rim bike tours especially in the wet. Brake modulation?

[@svenweihusen57]

Actually the modulation is better for disc brakes. CGN made a test and while braking power on dry tarmac was similar disc performed better on lose underground or in wet conditions. Disc brakes will not cut it for road cycling but are better for everyday use and sports where you have to brake hard and often.

[@АрсенийРозенберг-э2л]

Campag Chorus Monoplaner still not beaten by design :) Used similar construction on vintage AX Shimano brakes, same working principle, but they are just not stopping you and requires almost no innitial gap between pad and rim.

[@BennoSattler]

@Hambini @PeakTorque might be needed here, hello 🙂

[@michael26206]

I just used a pair of Tririg Omega one on my 2016 supersix evo 2 months ago, good outlook but less stopping force compare with original Shimano UT6800 brake

[@DilbertMuc]

You said it! I don't see a good mechanical lever on the Omega like on the Shimanos. Omega looks more like a concealed cantilever brake to me. 🤔

[@chiquicat1]

You kinda lose all credibility when you reject disk brakes and proceed to sell your own rim brake product 😂 But I hear your point. I still love my disc brakes though.

[@macedhx]

You are not convincing me that this is stronger than a proper good disc brake withh a 203 disc, absolutely impossible.

[@musgravecycles]

Spot-On! A couple more points: Maintenance - the average home mechanic will struggle to maintain their own bikes with complated internal hydraul runs, bleeds, etc. My time is very limited and Id rather be out riding the dealing with yet another brake bleed, etc Rim brake wheels - and frames - for that matter ride better. As you said disc wheels requite extra spokes and dont ride as well as wheels 10 years ago did. Even frames, particularly forks, have gotten stiffer. Even most of us steel frame builders go up a gage on fork blades for a diac frame. There are about a hundred other reasons why rim brakes are superior in most ways. You hit the nail on the head with 'system weight' for example. Oh and dont forget that pros have actually lost races due to extended wheel change times, etc, etc. I love my 203 rotor hydraulics on my trail bike...but for anything else give me rim brakes!

[@wannabecarguy]

I was begging for disc brakes. I was not forced into them. I have never regretted them.

[@Xhadp]

A bike that's popped up on my feeds is the BMC TM01 where the rim brakes are completely flush with the frame. This reminds me of that.

[@Reeses0810]

My old haro mtb with XTR rim brakes stops with modulation and brute force

[@us2043]

Hi Nick what an awesome product. question 1, what's the max rim with your brakes take? question 2, what's the max tire with they take?

[@recyclespinning9839]

Coming from old school, campy super record from the 80s. I bought another newer bike with dual pivot campy brakes , and campy brake cables, I was amazed at why you need disc brakes except maybe in the rain or mountains..

[@ivanboesky1520]

The only advantage they provide in the mountains is under extremely wet conditions or a poorly designed carbon rimmed wheel with a bad braking surface. In the dry a disc will heat up and start to warp on extended braking during a dry descent far faster than a rim wheels’ braking surface will because it has far less braking surface area than the outer edge of a wheel rim does. Plus the margin for error - distance from the brake to the braking surface is far smaller on a disc brake versus a rim brake making that warping disadvantage at the disc brake rotor even more of a detriment versus a rim brake. That doesn’t even get to the other obvious disadvantages in the mountains of discs versus rim brakes due to their inferior aerodynamics and the average weight of a typical disc brake set up is a good 1.5 pounds heavier than a typical comparable rim brake set up.

[@MrChippinator]

Last spring I did both a crazy descent and a ride in pouring rain on my 10 year old Argon 18. In fact, I think rim brakes saved me as I got the line wrong on the descent. Basically I nearly went off the road but the fact that I had rim brakes ensured I didn't get a lockup and allowed me to get the bike under control before going off into the ditch. This way I was able to save the bike and stayed upright. Same thing, in severe downpour, you just need rim brakes on alloy rims. Discs have a negligible advantage on everything except carbon rims. That cycling trip, if nothing else, proved the efficacy of rim brakes when using alloy rims.

[@rosomak8244]

@@ivanboesky1520 You are very generous with the 1.5 pound claim. Typically it's even more.

[@troydelbridge4878]

Rim brakes can be deadly in the wet when the riding surface is also dusty, I’ve experienced total rim braking failure on road descents under these conditions, but never with discs under the same conditions - the water and fine dust form what is essentially a lubricating compound between the pads and the rim making the generation of braking friction impossible - so there is a reason rim brakes have become outdated technology. I would never go back to rim brakes for safety reasons alone.

[@MrChippinator]

@@troydelbridge4878 were you using alloy or carbon rims? I agree rim brakes should be nowhere near a carbon rim.

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

The company selling high end rim brakes explaining why rim brakes are better.

[@tririg]

Yes. But we design what we want. No one tells us we MUST design rim brakes over disc brakes. This video explains why we choose to do so.

[@blaze1148]

haha - yup

[@jaymueller2418]

@@tririgIt’s a fantastic brake and looks beautiful. It’s great for people looking for a powerful, aero, and well built brake for their rim brake rig. But the likelihood of the market swinging back toward rim brakes is low.

[@frozerekmeyata4091]

@@jaymueller2418 Just because the market is swinging that way doesn't mean that marketing is right. The only place where disk brakes are needed on a road bike is on CF rims, those are what the pros use, the average rider has no reason to be riding on CF rims other than to look like a pro racer complete with the drugstore racer look of wearing racing kit. Just because professional snake oil pushers say we all need to be on disk brakes doesn't mean they're right. This is all about money, the marketing forces are trying to take as much money as possible out of cyclists' credit cards, and we're all stupid enough to believe the lies and spend the money...and they know it.

[@sepg5084]

​@@frozerekmeyata4091 and this video is also trying to take as much money away from you as possible too, since this is a marketing video 😉 It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation. If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one. Once i experienced the smoothness of hydraulic actuation, there's just no going back. It's like cable clutch vs. hydraulic clutch, cable feels jurassic.

[@dcv9460]

That's okay for a time trial/aero bike ONLY 💯

[@kevinpeterman7127]

Wow, top down design. Welcome to the 2000s. You finally made it only 2 1/2 decades late. But he is right about rim brakes on alloy rims being as near as it doesn't mater in performance to disk. He also neglected to mention that the chain stays and forks must be much stronger for disk brakes.

[@oreocarlton3343]

Axles as well

[@MrMasterFlash]

Great pitch. Please explain why they are only good for triathlon bikes

[@dalis994]

Still using rim brakes. I'm not racing, just riding for fun. Yes disc brakes are more consistent regardless of wheather. But I choose when I ride. I don't remember when I was soaked wet on my ride. If it rains (which is rare in my case) most of the time it's just light showers. As for excessive rim temperatures in the mountains, I rode thousands of kms in the mountains, mostly in the french alps, never had any problem with overheating. BTW I'm pretty light and that helps.

[@MrChippinator]

I rode in pouring rain with rim brakes and alloy rims. No problems stopping whatsoever. The biggest issue is stopping on carbon rims. Unless you're racing, why do you need carbon rims anyway?

[@vasiliipopov416]

If I weren't riding in the rain, I'd probably have only 2 or 2.5 months of riding every year, which is unacceptable for a commute solution. And rim brakes eat through rim brake surfaces pretty easily if you live in a wetter part of the world, especially if your city isn't cleaned properly from the dust. I had a rim brake bike for two years and had to change the rear wheel twice and the front once for that reason.

[@ClarkS963]

They are absolutely superior for triathletes. Triathletes aren't braking like road racers anyway. And so much simpler to work on when traveling for races.

[@newtoncoffin2254]

i own 7 bikes all rim brakes no issues i don't go down the Swiss alps in the pouring rain who does

[@snorttroll4379]

I do

[@veganpotterthevegan]

​@@newtoncoffin2254 I've downsized to 8 bikes. Disc brakes are hands down, better than rim brakes. Even in dry weather, they're significantly better. I'm a 10min warmup ride to 2 different HC climbs I've ridden significantly more in rim brakes than disc brakes. But I descend significantly faster due to being able to brake so much later than with rim brakes

[@GaweNowakowski]

​@@newtoncoffin2254I was in alps with my rim brake road bike and my brother on discs. During descents I didnt have any problems with overheating contrary to my brother, but I would prefer to have discs when it was raining.

[@beeldpuntXVI]

@vegan… What’s the complete stup whit what materials are you comparing, which brakeman’s? Material composition. The power of braking is only determined by tyre choice, right before the tire skids on the ground a fraction o a second before this skid you reached max breakpower. For both systems it’s The same

[@meibing4912]

Anyone thinking wheel manufactures will start making more wheels with alu tracks glued on is dreaming. Pad rub? Try a modern disc brake one day. Maybe some specialized bikes will use this - but its not a break through for the masses. Also, expect the pro peleton to soon ban rim brakes due to poor performance in rain and snowy conditions. Look at Vingegaard's decent at O Caminio and ask yourself - would you attempt that with rim brakes?

[@Feehan99]

Rim brakes on AL wheels on a dry, sunny day, sure they are on par with disc. Rim brakes on carbon in the rain or after they heat up on a couple hills, might as well put a foot down. I'll stick with disc and not care about the weight since I ride for health now and not speed. My experience TT/Tri guys never use their brakes anyway.

[@pflichtprogramm1]

I feel that for triathlon, one important thing has to be mentioned: The dynamics and agility of braking is far less important than in road bike racing. And this is why so many of the disc brake advantages are pointless in triathlon and rim brake disadvantages are minor - it is a sport in which cycling works just very different than racing in a group.

[@cicliolmo7152]

Cool. Always liked the Delta look. I'm still on rim brakes myself. My opinion on disc brakes -- if you ever needed to use them on the road for their max potential, you're in big trouble.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Living a warmup away from 2 different HC climbs that I've done 5x as many times on rim brakes over discs, discs are significantly better. On the longer climb, I'm over 2min faster on the descent. It's not even close.

[@peterwillson1355]

​@veganpotterthevegan 🥱

[@paulflory3532]

@@veganpotterthevegan Fun fact: largest time gains in road racing come from climbs, breakaway groups on flatter terrain, or solo breakaway groups when peloton can't get it together to chase. Not descents. Problem with pushing descents is that crashing almost certainly dashes your chances of doing well. And pushing descents on training or casual rides is pointless for the same reason. Best to set a goal (say 90%?) of your max on the descents, which also helps your confidence so you control the bike more smoothly. Even just road rash really sucks.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@paulflory3532 fun fact, if your ride doesn't have climbs, you better have aero stuff. Also a fun fact, it's not like disc brakes add 5lbs to your bike. *Wanna be less likely to crash descending at a high speed? Get disc brakes

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@paulflory3532 another fun fact, the best way to crash in a race on descents is not practicing those descents.

[@SwordOfGod642]

There are a lot of rich idiots who think an insanely expensive bike will make them a pro-cyclist 🙂

[@evanshaw17]

As a former professional cyclist, let me tell you, Rehm Banks or Superior to disc brakes. Actually people forget that the reason that this brakes came on the market were because Bicycles last a long time and they use it to make people buy new ones not because they were better Carbon rim with a reinforced track for the breaking works perfectly. I would know I’ve gone down rose in Europe and a pack of 200 people brakes are terrible.

[@michaelmclennan6144]

My cyclocross has extra long pads, amazing braking, in my opinion almost as good as discs without all the headaches. Once i swapped to swisstop on my rim road I've never felt like i needed discs but down steep descents i would much prefer to ride my disc bike.

[@jrh1704]

This dudes eyes are looking directly into my soul and I don't like it one bit.

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

I still have a rim brake bike and the prices of bikes I cannot justify spending so much to get a new bike on par just for disks. I am glad your still pushing the tech the brakes look sweet too. Convincing the Mrs to part way with the money they are.. That will be difficult 😂

[@bretzky9261]

Awesome video, i'm glad someone finally said it.

[@TechInfo-ul4xr]

😂 yes ...tired of rotor noise..pads that give out when oil gets on them then you have nonstopping

[@cheetocatto01]

Rim brake is gangsta until it starts raining... had both... prefer discs, I ride a lot in the rain and very dusty roads.

[@cx123456]

So after years of developement you managed to create a working copy of colnago delta brakes? Stunning achievement, bravo!

[@twistoffat]

Campagnolo Delta reborn. New and improved

[@danieletognozzi7641]

While Campagnolo drops out of the pro peloton and the hearts of cyclists for not daring stick to their roots

[@Primifluous]

I would say if delta and suntour roller cam brakes had a baby.

[@ianforber]

Bike companies need to sell new bikes or they’ll go out of business. That leads them to market very different approaches to sell new frames. For most regular cyclists who aren’t competing they don’t need carbon wheels, let alone disc brakes. I use alloy wheels with rim brakes and could stop hard enough to fling myself over the handlebars and can modulate braking power just as well (if not better) than discs. I’m not a triathlete but marginal gains will be important to you. Where are those best found? Aero positions, swimming or running?

[@peteransel2715]

Great presentation! Very convincing data. My only feedback is that you are obviously focused on TT/Tri bikes, but these should work on any rim brake road bike, and there are more non TT/Tri bikes and customers out there, so you should include regular road bikes in the presentation. Also it's not 100% clear here if these are only available as single pivot or dual pivot as well. Marketing-wise regarding aluminum tracked wheels, the realty is, all black wheels look best. While I know a few wheel manufacturers, like Boyd make all black aluminum rims, does anyone make carbon wheels with black aluminum brake tracks? I'm rim brake loyalist! Wishing you much continued success with this great concept!

[@sepg5084]

It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation. If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one.

[@steveflor9942]

My Dura Ace single-pivots are very, very strong. Take much less lever pressure than my Sram HRD. The HRD are an absolute PITA, by the way. I will never have another disc brake road bike again.

[@jefferygriffin8785]

I have been riding on the road exclusively since 1974. Before that I had a Raleigh 3spd that I road on pavement, sidewalks and dirt trails. Start working in a bike shop in Santa Cruz that year and when we weren't fixing or selling bicycles we were smoking ganja and having far ranging discussions on how the Universe should work. One of the great things about bicycles is their simplicity. And that fertile space that breeds invention. So one day this traveling salesman comes in with the bike that is going to change everything. What he showed us was a bicycle with a plastic frame and fork and joining them together was a nylon headset. My friend Laurence looked at it and said; "the only thing missing is disc brakes." Now the owner of the shop joined the conversation: "All the bicycles in this shop already have disc brakes." Except for my Gitane track bike he was right. The wheel is the rotor and the caliper is, well, the caliper. Being a grumpy old fuck now at the age of 71 I think that since Look Pedals hit the industry in 1985 most of the thing since are like putting Alligator shoes on a dead man. Overpriced and unnecessary. Bom Shiva!

[@gracierunwiththewind]

Great video I have always hated disc brakes, the only benefit they have is in the wet and no rim brake surface to burn. But it still does not answer the solution to stop heat build up of your carbon rims especially for long descents, despite all the claims of the resins they use.

[@marcusdance5068]

Got Duraace 9000 brakes amazing stopping power, also have trek madone 2017 the one with rhe wings! These brakes look very similar to Trek , no way better than shimano.

[@V___D]

TRP Aero V-Brakes, love them on my 10yo Giant Propel.

[@psclassy1123]

Beautiful and Im sure effective brake. What if you ride in the mountains a lot?

[@tririg]

Mountain/trail riding is a good candidate for rim brakes. Mud will get caked on your tires/rims and impede the mechanics of braking. Separating the braking on an independent rotor helps in those cases.

[@woolfel]

i have one bike with rim break and one with disk. i can say for sure in wet weather disk breaks work way better than rim breaks. i've been caught out in heavy rain on rim breaks and dear god it was terrifying. i couldn't squeeze enough to make my bike stop quickly. i've been out in rain with disk break and it is far superior. the rim breaks are Shimano 105. the disk break is SRAM rival.

[@freenational]

Have you changed your 105 brake pads? Are they original parts? I have no problem with 105 rim brakes in the wet.

[@michaelgnafakis430]

This is actually really good race advice for tri and time trials bikes. They are flat out the worst handling bikes and would greatly benefit on better braking modulation. Ironman Sacramento had torrential downpours and some hard turns where modulation is hugely beneficial. And most tri athletes I’ve seen aren’t into bikes/maintenance and the reliability and simplicity of a cable verses hydraulic line is massive. The reworks stopped using them because of dirt,water and mud which only leaves water for tri and time bikes to deal with and modern compounds can easily solve that. Personally I only ride dirt but after volunteering on the course for sacs triathlons this makes total sense to me There’s drawbacks but not many.

[@SaschaRissling]

If anyone asks me how to choose a bike for triathlon i mostly tell them to look for great deals on used rimbrake bikes. People are selling rockets with all the bells and whistles, Di2, deep dish wheels etc. Also the deals you can get on used rim brake disc wheels are incredible. Also rim brake parts will be available for years to come. Come race day and you have a broken rim brake part, you'll easily get a replacement at any bike shop or bike rental. May it be a brake line or a caliper. Quick fixing a disc brake? Not so much. I was on the fence going back to rim brake actually, selling my disc brake speed max and getting a well maintained argon 18 with all the stuff on it. Decided to stay with my bike though because all our bikes are disc brakes.

[@head2tomek]

I like both systems. One point not mentioned is that all breaking surfaces are subject to wearing. When you invest in a good pair of wheels it’s easier and cheaper to simply change rotors.

[@jimcarriefanclub1537]

I have never changed my 2017 Mavic Cosmic Xalianth brake pads.The wheels have a knurled alloy brake track and a stiffer harder pad. Even my shop was shocked they are still in perfect condition. You're lucky to get 6 months on DB pads.

[@tobycolin6271]

I rode a 6 hour 100 mile sportive. I put a timer on my front brake and I was on the brakes for less than than 3 minutes. On my 10 mile commute to work I use the brakes at 6 places for a total of less than 20 seconds. The only reason it’s more than 10 seconds is because I cross two roads and my school bike shed is at the bottom of a hill. Next time you ride count the time you apply the brakes.

[@louisjov]

This is probably an ad, but it brings up an important point: bikes DO NOT need to have the latest and most complicated components for them to perform well for 95% of people. High end components are cool, but making bikes more complicated than they need to be is a loss to anyone that just wants a bike that works and gets them around

[@stfu6397]

Exactly

[@ttinnovations3310]

yes, but not in wet or muddy conditions or down hill

[@tomaxxxx536]

lol funny how people just keep trying to save rim brakes like trying to sell a square wheel

[@Si1ent1]

Oh yea let me just get a pair for my emtb that weighs 27kg. I'm sure that'll work out well

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

These are great!! but won't UCI count it as adding an additional fering? Curious

[@Alan_Hans__]

UCI doesn't control triathlons or triathlon bikes fortunately.

[@cabaneencac5168]

Looks a lot like the vintage Shimano 600ax Aero Brake Calipers and the Campagnolo C Record Delta brake from yesteryear. Hoping your new one has a more effective cam system.

[@OnlineBike]

I've always wondered if a rim braked bike, with the stiffness of a thru-axle system, might not be a fantastic and efficient design.

[@benhardwick1970]

Great video and I’m interested for sure. I have a cannondale CAAD 10 that I’m about to start racing on. Also a giant TCR disc brake bike too that I won’t be racing on as it’s too expensive if I crash. I am not a expert in this field but I feel what’s been left out is the fact it’s very hard to get top of the line rim brake wheels now. I don’t see any of the latest and best wheels being offered in rim brake anymore. So weather we like disc brakes or not it’s becoming increasingly hard to get good rim brake wheels. Technology into testing rim brakes is far more expensive and companies are not looking at spending money on that. Also the wear of wheels after constant use of rim brakes wasn’t mentioned, it’s fine if you want to replace your wheels every 5 years or less if you live in the mountains.

[@peterwillson1355]

I replace a rim every year. So what?

[@blaze1148]

Don't carbon wheel rims wear with rim brakes..... Not getting rid of my discs - thanks.

[@samuel8590]

A bit late to the Party, pal. Agreed on the Aero/weight/simplicity aspects of these brakes. However, good luck trying to find top tier Frames and Wheels that will house rim brakes.

[@dydanz]

imo braking power also influenced by many factors: rim surface, brake pad compound, and weather! then we can talk about caliper (single/direct mount, pull mechanism etc).

[@675nero]

I'm staying in disc brakes. I love the stopping power even in the wet.

[@alfonshasel1995]

20 years ago i Had a Mountainbike with a v-brake. It Had the Most stopping Power of all of my Bikes. But it was really hard to dose it, IT either didnt brake or Just Stop. Discs are far Superior in that regards.

[@donatelloslappafello1108]

I like my rim brakes on my road bike and i like my disk brakes on my gravel bike. I wouldn't dislike them on my road bike, but i have zero issues with just plain old ultegra rim brakes