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[@Trog]

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[@daveduffy2823]

Love that 70’s craftsmanship. No wonder the Japanese builders got their chance.

[@NicholasANappiNick]

Murphy would sell it for$12500🥳🥳🥳🥳

[@jlo7770]

That's way low balling it... thats 25-30k

[@zigzagrz]

I bought a different les paul that had been recovered from a flood. Top was split, binding missing in some spots, and neck was coming off. Great checking all over, pups were not damaged, pots were ok so I bought it and worked on it. Its now one of my favorites

[@johnnyxmusic]

The guitar gods approve.

[@Turboy65]

I saw the photo, and thought "water damage" instantly.

[@nbenning25]

Advertised as “Fair” condition?! 🤔

[@bodr1]

%100

[@TranceMasterJack]

Got a feeling there's no way that neck is straight.

[@nocturnalferalguitarist]

So ? I ve had many not perfect necks and no one can pay enough for me to part with any of them the mojo has no price

[@Vykk_Draygo]

@@nocturnalferalguitarist Mojo. 🤣🤣 You do you, but I'll take a good guitar.

[@nocturnalferalguitarist]

@@Vykk_Draygo fair enough dude, I'm older, I guess I'm just kind of nostalgic and when I bought my guitars and amps it was before eBay or KZbin existed so I bought what I could find and made the best of what I found

[@pastedtomato]

I'm gonna be completely honest, I love the vibe of this Les Paul (I'm not even a Gibson kinda guy), I would just reglue the neck so it doesn't fall apart, and remake the missing wing

[@silvernuggets1285]

Fix the seam separations and leave everything else. Cool story for a cool guitar 😊

[@COBHC8890]

Id glue it, and leave it alone.

[@perryoberlander1069]

I was waiting for a back story involving a ship sinking and the guitar being the only thing they had for an oar to paddle the lifeboat to shore! It looks like someone steamed the guitar!

[@stratman9449]

it sounds like a good story.....and that is how Rory Gallaghers music career started off......

[@johnro6659]

That first LP definitely spent some time under water for a while. IMO I would be a easy pass at any price for me even as a husk. I have had some flood damaged guitars come across my bench none were worth repairing but I did what I could do just for a few friends. When the wood swells from the moisture and separates then drying out it's usually not just a simple glue and clamp repair. Depending on the grain there could be high and low spots in the separations that won't let it close up well enough to get it back to near original or even passable. Just way too much work to make it worth while repair you would just be into it for too much money. Now as far as the electronics I would replace everything, tuners replace and the truss rod depending on how far the water got into the wood could be one solid bar of rusted metal. Until you open everything up you have no clue what can of worms your getting into. A good bang while shipping could make the gaps open up or snap completely off. I would love to see vids of someone repairing this if anyone does actually buy it.

[@texasfreedomlover4730]

So don’t disclose the serious repairs if you bought it then fixed it up? Very shady way of conducting business.

[@synboy]

Trogly..."You can just fix it and not tell anyone" Also Trogly. "Hey, there's a small scratch that wasn't specifically mentioned....I'll ship it back" Amazing hypocrisy, Trogly. You should be ashamed 🤬

[@Trog]

@@synboy It would be sold as a refurbished guitar meaning it has been completely reworked. The point I was trying to get across was "They wouldn't care about the history, they just want the similar artist guitar" stop trying to stir the pot for no reason

[@texasfreedomlover4730]

@@synboy nice try.

[@deanbartone8187]

If I had the extra cash right now, I would definitely buy that first one I would take a chance that the neck isn’t shot. That last one was gorgeous I know lots of people hate the Khayler trem but I am a fan of them. I can’t stand Floyd roses being that this guitar was already hacked up. I would jump all over it.

[@danduntz2539]

I would repair the separations and keep the top as is. It tells a story and this guitar has gone through something serious. I doesn’t make sense to fully refinish it and make it look like every other non-character Gibsons. This, minus the repairs is perfect now it is.

[@simonpark843]

That guitar would cost more to restore than it could ever possibly be worth, in my opinion.

[@Wargasm54]

Yeah, it would be a labor of love to be a keeper.

[@markjamesmeli2520]

These make me wonder - what kind of financial deal did the current seller get on these models to do the modifications in the first place? Would a faithful player attempt a modification on his Gibson; not knowing exactly what the results might be?

[@polycube868]

So what's the mini toggle switch for? That's also on Noel Gallagher's '78 Les Paul gifted to him by Johnny Marr.

[@Trog]

usually coil split, phase, or series/parallel switch

[@polycube868]

@@Trog thanks Trogly for answering, enjoy your videos.

[@larrynoe6162]

The headstock looks sus.

[@dustmundo]

Yes. Yes they do have to know this history. If a guitar has been damaged that badly you have to tell the buyer.

[@WW-1995]

Exactly how I was feeling

[@lovesgibson]

Nah. You didn’t even explain why they’d have to know

[@Trog]

It would be sold as a refurbished guitar meaning it has been completely reworked. The point I was trying to get across was "They wouldn't care about the history, they just want the similar artist guitar"

[@leviathan_is_me]

Did Trogly just advise someone not to disclose damage to THAT level?

[@brianhansen-hj3ml]

I caught that too, hope he’s more honest than that with his customers.

[@leviathan_is_me]

@@brianhansen-hj3ml Yea, he preaches that constantly, then says this...makes ya think.

[@Trog]

you guys are reading WAY too far into that. You know me, I'm the 100% most honest dealer ever that discloses way more than most. I'm not saying, refinish it and say it is original. I'm saying On a project REFINISHED / REWORKED guitar to an artist spec (IE making a Neil Schon replica or Hetfield Iron Cross), the average buyer for that kind of guitar doesn't care about the past as long as it is "right" now.

[@rockinrob2004]

@@Trog I knew what you meant, I know you're not like what they might have been thinking otherwise. I mean once it's done right & disclosed modded, who cares?

[@leviathan_is_me]

@Trog I kind of figured you didn't mean what it sounded like, but it DID sound like that. You said "no need to disclose that" in reference to THAT damage is what it seemed like to me and a few others. Yes, you have proven your honesty and fairness in a rather unscrupulous business and deserve the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for clarifying all the same.

[@jockelfernau8207]

I own a flamed maple three piece top Standard from 1995. Never seen another one from the 90s.

[@jonathanhudak2059]

What a fun episode and I loved what that guitar originally was a lovely P-90 Equipped tobacco sunburst model which I never knew existed! Great detective work Trogly!

[@ace9566061]

Good luck finding someone to refresh that artist. I had a 77 RD Artist with the original Moog Electronics in it (fully functional). I thought about ripping it alll out and puting new humbuckers in it but couldnt bring myself to do that after looking into what it would cost to take it back to stock if I ever wanted to. After months of calling around, no one would touch the electronics with a 10ft pole. i decided to let it go and eventuall find one thats already modified or try to find a husk to mod.

[@youWoNtLikeMe04]

Defuniak Springs is on the gulf coast. The town is probably 30 miles north of the gulf of mexico in the Florida pan handle. Plenty of humidity 10 months out of the year.

[@nieko3038]

Nice project. Would love to fix a ‘78. No trem though. Ad says it is stable for over 10 years. Neck will be fine I guess.

[@t23c56]

I think you were spot on that it was submerged. That wood is going to be so damp and unstable. I just don't understand collectors sometimes. You could buy a cheap guitar for a couple of hundred dollars and just do that up instead.

[@AndrewGonzalesArtistry]

I have a 78’ LP that I bought in 91’ and the neck is actually starting to do this (separate at the wood seems). I haven’t decided what to do about it yet.

[@BridgetParkGuitar]

I'd glue the seams, fix the binding, and maybe put a floyd frx on it

[@dzapper7]

I see that the seller is out of Defuniak Springs, FL. They had a series of real bad floods in that area 10 or so years ago, not to mention the occasional hurricane. I was buying a shotgun from a guy there when those floods hit and he got flooded out of his house, moved to another property he had, then he got flooded out of there a few days later, and had to move in with his son. took me almost a month to get my shotgun. Also props to him for laying down the crunchy riffs in the grandpa sweater.

[@clutch2827]

Ordered a tube from Sweetwater. First time dealing with them. They texted me to make sure everything was good and even included some candy with it. I was impressed.

[@sunn_bass]

That first guitar is a true relic.

[@heavybrett-al4082]

Definitely would be a fun project, if you could get it at playing workhorse level.

[@thehark6247]

1750 is a big fuck no, buuuut, that being said, a good luthier should buy it and use it as a before and after demo, restore the top, and leave the bottom.

[@Thirteen31Music]

The listing listed the condition as “fair” 😂

[@pa4tim]

There are so many videos about people buying Chinese Gibson fakes and "upgradig" them that I never will buy a second hand Gibson on line. Sooner or later they will enter the second hand market (for instance if the owner dies and relatives sell the guitar as a real Gibson ) That is the main reason I bought a new Gibson Les Paul standard 60's instead of looking for a used Les Paul custom. (what my original plan was)

[@agcacustoms2852]

It having a new case and being in that condition I can almost guarantee that the guitar was in the case in a flood. Probably fresh water due to the lack of corrosion on most of the metal parts and had the old case thrown out and put into a new case, definitely would need to be examined closely to make sure no warping has happened and if it can be reglued relatively easily.

[@monstrok]

The stories that that guitar could tell - swimming in overflowed river flood water. I'd hate to see what the original case looked like! Given the shear forces that caused the separation at the headstock, it is not looking good for the rest of the neck concerning straightness. Save the body, pull the fingerboard and headstock veneer to make a restoration. Some creativity will be needed to save the serial #. Electronics are probably toast.

[@thehark6247]

is not the valute, a neck strengthening solution to keep the headstock and neck permanently together.

[@raytorvalds3699]

Volute. Yes, it is.

[@vegashdrider]

Likely a little more then glue and clamp, most likely the wood has shrunk

[@leonardharverson8660]

Guitar Village usually know their stuff, but in all honesty, they are renowned for being very highly priced. That 1973 is pretty much “Trigger’s Broom” (IYKYK). That ‘replacement’ neck looks an awful lot like a Greco or other MIJ neck.

[@gearViewmirror]

Looks like someone took the "boatanker" theme seriously....😂

[@engleharddinglefester4285]

Somebody really did use it for a canoe paddle.

[@TMoody]

That thing has been under water.... for a while.

[@stratman1021]

I'd say a $1000 max for that '78. If even that. But it sure sounded nice and fat.

[@filtheejoe]

The price isn't too bad. Not to hard to restore this one.

[@KennedyIvy]

It should be free. Firewood would be more valuable

[@user-qb6pq1yf8u]

They cheapened on every aspect of the guitar.... 2 piece bodies, 3 piece tops, 5 piece necks.... i dont get the demand for norlin.

[@Trog]

Because of the music they were used to create. History

[@user-qb6pq1yf8u]

Disagree... people are getting sold that 70s and 80s are "vintage" when they're not. And they can't afford 50s/60s- hence the demand. But thats just my angle...@@Trog

[@stratman9449]

mmhhhmmm...i think i't leave all those guitars shown well alone....let alone pay ANY sort of money for them

[@jocadamotoca916]

I always imagine how a 3 piece AAAAA+ flame top would be like. The same as those 5 piece necks

[@Masterfighterx]

It's clear as day that you can't just glue the headstock, it has a bow to it, as you can see the seams are closer together near the headstock veneer vs the serial side, you'd need to steam bend it back and glue it in order to be flat and stable again.

[@lovesgibson]

Insane. I’d have to think about taking it even if it was free

[@Madakalim]

The guitar looks like the rest of the background shots of the house haha! Love these "theoreticals" episodes!

[@redshirt49]

First one, damage looks worse than it is. Might be worth it. Last one too.

[@chopperdeath]

Thats a flood victim.

[@danbremer7010]

It looks cool in that dudes house

[@randb4865]

It got wet...hurricane survivor?

[@thehark6247]

WHAAAAAAAT??? That thing played????? holy shit!!! thats a guitar totally worth $17.50.

[@mylesmartin7933]

Saw that few days ago, was gonna buy it till I saw the GIANT splits lol

[@zeusapollo8688]

Could drill and pin those seams with some glue in between

[@joshuataft5541]

I dig it but for 450

[@ohmtronseedling]

the relic on that split-seamed LP is fantastic. why would anyone refinish it? what a cool guitar.

[@declassified1]

Neither is a Murphy lab play wear .

[@readrepairs]

Carefully glue it up and leave as a playable relic. Looks great. Distinctive

[@jeffanderson8384]

Nashville flood victim?

[@RUSST1981]

Can’t imagine that thing smells very nice.

[@benwright6330]

I disagree if your gonna refinish it, pull the DiMarzio, make a template from the neck pickup route to put the bridge pickup back to it's original spec.

[@dcflake5645]

Wondering if it was kept in an oven with that level of peeling and serparation then you said water damage...

[@bluglass7819]

If someone gave it to me I could certainly fix it but I would have a hard time putting the effort in any other way.

[@Beserker3737]

Did someone use it as a combination boat oar/weapon??

[@corporalrich]

It's all the glue up's and refinish on the first one. No way. refinishing on the second, No way. 3 sorry. No serial number. 4 ok, maybe... I know I'm weird.

[@heyreadmefirst3522]

would be fun seeing the Gibson repair quotes for these.

[@joshuataft5541]

Some glue and tatoos and a chew..it can live w me😂

[@JoshuaPagan217]

If you put a Floyd in but keep the finish it’ll look like Scotti Hill’s Les Paul from Skid row, he’s been using it on the reunion tour

[@acdclexu6296]

i have a 79 Artist i love it but i ripped the Moog stuff out. now are the mini toggles split, split and out of fase

[@BNearman77]

You gotta document the Rex Brown Thunderbird Bass

[@MrScrofulous]

THAT WILL BUFF OUT.

[@mariuszw9665]

This guitar was retrieved from Titanic's wreck. True story!

[@thomaskafafian2871]

The real question is, can you still play it the way it is? I would just keep it as a Mad Max style instrument if it’s still playable. I would snatch it up for 850, but it’s too much of a gamble for 1750. If it plays amazing, someone would pay extra for that crazy flood Paul. Edit: I wrote this before I got to the part of him playing it. Sounds like a Les Paul. He’s not a hack player either. In fact, the guy rips. I think it sounds like it plays pretty dang good. Guys like that have some cool guitars sometimes. Survivors survive for a reason.

[@mefirstandthegimmiegimmies5160]

It's the new "slash" signature model...

[@thomaskafafian2871]

The heel on the refinished one looks like every Matsumoko guitar I own. I’m not saying it’s not a great guitar though. You could probably get close to what they’re asking, for the same guitar, if it said Ibanez or Greco on the headstock. That’s a real head scratcher for sure…. New top would hide the holes from the original bridge too, because it would have had a harmonica bridge on it originally if it really is a Matsumoko.

[@douglastaylor43]

Would love to see you make over a guitar like that.

[@dawo8506]

What size frets are those?

[@contrabandjoe7974]

No thanks on any of them

[@johnhutton9105]

Would love to see what you make of Emerald guitars. Made of carbon fibre, they’re beautiful 😍

[@theadventuresofred19]

Needs a refret too

[@larryburwell8550]

to me thats a buyers beware guitar

[@jonathanbaggs4275]

Lot of instruments out there recovered after the nashville flood.

[@Forest_Fifer]

Looks like a Matthew Scott project in the making

[@sjlefebvre]

And they are so freaking heavy! I have a bad back, neck and shoulders thanks to the Les Paul Pro Deluxe!

[@benwright6330]

..looks like someone put That one away Wet

[@bootdaclown]

I wouldn't buy it for $17.50.

[@BoyAditya]

I wish this guitar was sent to bigDguitar for restoration 😅

[@jameshughes6049]

Evening all!!

[@flapjack413]

Umm, yeah, people DO need to know about the crazy history if you're going to sell it to them. Just your thinking that is okay to not disclose, makes me never want to buy a guitar from you.

[@Trog]

It would be sold as a refurbished guitar meaning it has been completely reworked. The point I was trying to get across was "They wouldn't care about the history, they just want the similar artist guitar"

[@ej1_drew]

I'm surprised that splitting guitar still plays

[@brentg3992]

THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING THAT WATER LOGGED LP!! I saw that as well and wondered what you would have thought of it and then boom! you released this video. Nice!! its an awesome guitar but man all that damage!!!

[@podfuk]

Nah, just a small witness line here and there 🤣😂

[@d-mack7053]

@Trogly'sGuitarShow Like you said it might be a flood survivor or it might be a barn find.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Z is for 14 hours late.

[@bnastali]

Are sandwich bodies any real issue?

[@Trog]

not usually

[@sgt.grinch3299]

What happened to CatBlackGuitars? I have not seen him for a while.