Trouble Brewing - Explained in Detail

Kohav and Skilz walk us through a game of Trouble Brewing, with detailed explanations of all the mechanics and decisions involved.
Storytellers for this game: Kohav and Skilz
Trouble Brewing character sheet here: i.imgur.com/44GvEIo.jpg
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Intro visuals created by Jon from Luke & Dad Productions / @vfx_jon
Intro music - Private Reflection Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Other music by Karl Casey ‪@WhiteBatAudio‬

[@hillrp1]

Great idea for a video around this time. Can be easy to watch along without really being consciously going through the different choices that the storyteller is making

[@rmsgrey]

One thing I like to do with new players is to put a Virgin in the bag and ask the question of what makes them a Townsfolk rather than an Outsider - figuring out that answer immediately gives players a fairly deep insight into the game's strategy. Personally, as Poisoner, I would have been strongly tempted to switch targets night 2 in hopes of convincing the now-outed Empath that their night 1 info was sober/healthy, and they were now poisoned since their information changed without their neighbours changing. My Mayor-bounce would have been to Tapir - changing the Empath's information without killing either neighbour would have reinforced the Poisoner having just been killed, but wouldn't have pointed the finger at either the demon or the backup demon. And it would have taken out the one player who ended up mathematically confirmed to be good (since evil wasn't muddying the Outsider count). I actually called Reznora getting executed on the final day rather than the Mayor win, which just goes to show how players can surprise you. A final Storyteller note: in the world where Ryback wasn't a sober Mayor, the game should have continued into another night (with a Soldier in play, there's no guarantee the Demon will actually get a kill) rather than being ended after the non-execution.

[@nathano6277]

Thank you Kohav, Skilz and crew. Always happy to receive my dose of Clocktower.

[@EdsonR13]

I've never seen a drunk lead to so many worlds and never even be considered for drunkenness, nice choice on the storytellers part and well played by evil to keep suspicion all over town

[@BrianWVickers]

Kota having it exactly right despite it being so narrow of a thread was incredible deduction

[@Solid8Gamer]

I absolutely adore kohavs voice! ❤️

[@arthursimsa9005]

Her voice is sugar for sure ^^

[@colinmancini1080]

I'm about to storytell for the first time this weekend, and wanted to say I really appreciated this video! There's definitely a certain point where meta conversations won't apply to all of my new players/were above my head, but the types of things to consider and think about were great.

[@supay_inca]

Kohav! Love to see this as I’m running a day full of games this weekend. Always hoping for more knowledge to help me run balanced games

[@omegonchris]

Very useful to see which decisions I'd have made differently - and why they probably would have been wrong ones, with hindsight. Hopefully will be running my first games soon.

[@lankatr]

about to storytell in a few days! This was super useful.

[@jcairns200]

SPOILER: . . . . . . What would you have done if the demon attacked the mayor going into final three? Would you have bounced or not?

[@ldogg2356]

I think this is great and would like to see it with all the different sets

[@Rhostarr]

Came so close to pulling this one off. Ryback called the bluff though.

[@tammyboy2084]

I was a mayor who was confirmed by a washerwoman recently. I was executed day 2. Trust me, it’s not that strong.

[@phantronghieu2008]

well, that sucks

[@darbyl3872]

I take notes IRL. I'm an early target, probably because of this, but I cannot keep track of info without it, even my own info. Excellent lesson on this. Thanks for your thoughts, Kohav. One question: Are demon bluffs technically "in play"? Does that keep Philo, Pit-Hag from choosing to mimic, make those characters?

[@TheProfProfessor]

They’re not in play, so the philo and put hag can use them

[@mrmalaki]

The "bluffs" are actually worded as "The demon learns three roles that are not in play" - so although the may appear in the grimoire they are defined as being not in play. As an aside, a philo is free to pick any ability whether in play or not.

[@darbyl3872]

@@mrmalaki Good point. If you Philo an evil player's demon bluff, their "ability" should "misfire", which is a good cover for it not working. If they claim that it is working, perhaps on another evil player, then they look sketchy.

[@dan.s8230]

I’ve been wondering this for a long time now, but does anyone know the playlist that they use for streams? I recognize that it’s the same music playlist each time and I really dig it

Karl Casey of White Bat Audio generally, Ben has his playlist here which Skilz also uses: kzbin.info/aero/PL9EvORQwhqNgguC7APQGu-2q8u4yLTU21

[@dan.s8230]

@ Thank you!

[@Durygathn]

Is there possibly a link to the playlist you use for the livestream that we can get access to to listen to?

[@bennburns]

Right here. I keep adding to it, so it's going to evolve over time. kzbin.info/aero/PL9EvORQwhqNgguC7APQGu-2q8u4yLTU21

[@lmaoroflcopter]

Wait!? If ryback died to an execution in the final 3, with rez as the soldier, there's no way evil can win can they? They can't kill rez at night and would come down to a two player vote off but that would only happen if rez's claim as a soldier is correct and as art has consistently claimed FT and rez has claimed soldier that plays into Rez. So the town would never execute them, they'd kill art. Art needs to convince the town to execute rez as the only way to get an evil win right?

[@Helkezin]

Has there been some shift in meta or why was Ryback so adamant about Recluse not registering for chef pair? I understand that he knows his own alignment, but in big picture it seems strange to me. At a point where you think that Recluse simply wouldn't register as evil, they are more of a townsfolk role just because they could be confirmed via outsider count.

[@Mullibok]

Here's the deal. If the Recluse registers as evil to the Chef for a Chef 1 or 2, then town is pointed directly to evil players because of an outsider ability. Outsider abilities are meant to be harmful to town. Turning the Recluse into an Empath by registering them as evil in this case is not harmful to town at all. Should it happen *sometimes*? Yes. Because you don't want to just let people meta that it wouldn't. Should it happen *often*? No, the Recluse is not meant to be an Empath for the Chef.

[@Helkezin]

@@Mullibok Not sure why you come out with bit of an aggressive tone there. I understand that you don't want to register Recluse too often for Chef for reasons you stated, but surely there is a scale to it. Some minions would just be happy to get that extra attention towards themselves and also for the shade that gets thrown at the other person sitting next to Recluse.

[@Mullibok]

I think they're usually happier when there's a real non-Recluse Chef 1 or a drunk Chef 1 out there and the Chef immediately reacts like Ekin does here, which is to try to murder the Recluse neighbors.

[@Quandry1]

The way to muddy the waters on this and make people second guess it more and to cause confusion and distrust of the Recluse instead of just trying to kill their neighbors is on the evil teams. If they would bluff or double claim into Recluse more then the killing of the recluse neighbors becomes a dangerous game to play, Not quite as dangerous as testing goblin or saint claims because it doesn't end the game, but more because it creates a large number of what-if's involving more people that even experienced players can have trouble letting go of. If the Evil teams don't do this often enough then they basically create these situations of likely true information rather than the misdirection and mistrust that the mostly harmless recluse is meant to cause.

[@rmsgrey]

My main argument for registering the Recluse as evil for the Chef is to turn a Chef 0 into a Chef 1 - while there are slightly more worlds for the Chef 0, once you find an evil player, you can immediately clear their neighbours, unlike in the Chef 1 game, where you need to find two evil players to be able to clear anyone... And, yeah, if evil never claims Outsider roles, they both make it obvious when there's a Drunk in play, and make Outsiders more like Townsfolk by proving them good.

[@villelankinen]

Wait, you did put two outsiders in even though no Baron?

[@drunklizardd7645]

When they were discussing it, it was a 10 player game which shouldn’t have any outsiders, however 2 players joined, making it a 12 player game which does have a baseline of 2 outsiders.

[@BloodontheClocktower]

Yep, in a 12-player game there should be two Outsiders as standard. If the Baron were one of the minions here, there'd be four Outsiders instead of two. - Evin

[@BrianWVickers]

So very confused why Art didn’t nominate at the end? If he doesn’t then good wins. It was the only shot. Just gave up?

[@rmsgrey]

Yeah, while there's something to be said for accepting defeat gracefully, there's also a valid world where Ryback is evil and playing for the Mayor win loses Good the game. In the moment, I can understand Art sticking with his position rather than trying to generate support for a (probably) doomed effort - particularly since his most likely support was the double-pinged Poisoner in the double-Mayor claim...

[@Purdizzle]

How do you not give information away just by virtue of discord chat? Can everyone not see who you go to visit during the night phase?

[@BloodontheClocktower]

Those rooms are admin-only rooms, the players can't see them. When you throw a player into an admin-only room they can only see the one they're in. Essentially, they're all private rooms that only the player in them can see. Of course, now we use the official app so Discord is no longer involved.

[@ifuj]

strange of Art to not nominate on the last night, knowing they would lose. Sometimes you should take that stab in the dark and it might just pay off.

[@omegonchris]

Sometimes you just say GG to your opponents and be happy for them. If you kick up a loud objection when about to lose every time, then people will start to knownits evil panic. When you're going to lose, but under the false world you've built things are going just the way you want, soemtimes you just accept it. If they'd got a second dead vote in that final 3, that would have given Art the opportunity to counter nominate and try and push something through.

[@ifuj]

@@omegonchris I was expecting the poisoner to do the second vote since he's double claiming the mayor

[@ThisisnotTwitter]

Rez's nomination at the end there gave Art the perfect opportunity to win there. After gaining a good reputation in opting to not vote and go for a mayor win, Rez's last minute nomination was super suss. Art could have used that to "out" Rez as desperately trying to save the game in the face of certain defeat and made a counter nomination.

[@garyrutkowski7351]

The thing that I want to remind people of is that this is a game. The most important thing in any game is that the players all had fun. It shouldn't be about winning or losing. In this case, Art had a pretty good read on the situation and chose to let it go.

[@ifuj]

@@garyrutkowski7351 those aren't mutually exclusive.

[@TheSirCrown]

So don't know if you guys read this but I thought of a fun amisiac roll... A buffed snake charmer... Where whoever they select they switch into that role... They move last in the night... No one is informed of the change

[@linusdavies6461]

Players should always know what their role and alignment is, and should always be informed when it changes, excluding Drunk, Lunatic and Marionette, obviously