Troy Achilles about gods

[@LinusFeynstein]

This movie has aged well and it grew in respect. Great directing and acting.

[@bernaloudamondamon450]

still so good to watch after 17 years has passed. Brad did justice to his role.

[@surfboarding5058]

20 now

[@vinceallenmeneses5883]

Achilles point is that we as mortals cherish our time on earth thats why life is so precious and beautiful for us. ❤

[@haphoon21]

Vince Allen Meneses, and yet he went to troy knowing he might not go back home alive again! 😂

[@vinceallenmeneses5883]

@@haphoon21 he said to the boy "thats why nobody will remember your name" 😂

[@mikem9001]

@@haphoon21 He went to Troy *expecting* not to come home again!

[@elvoria]

I find the older we get the faster time passes. Does that mean our life get more beautiful as our end approaches?

[@vinceallenmeneses5883]

Jkc indeed. We cherish more and love ❤️ more of our remaining time as it is not longer as it used to be when we are younger, in general.

[@chardtomp]

This is my favorite scene in this movie and one of the things that makes this epic worth watching. It's not just another action film. There really is a lot of good dialog as well. The scene between Achilles and Priam is very good too.

[@eusou526]

A great teaching about how each moment of life is precious. You can believe in a god or not, but you have to admit we should live as each moment is our last one on Earth. Wonderful scene!!!

[@Liamnerfdude1]

@BOB1 CLO Whoever is forcing religion on you doesn't understand religion.

[@shure46]

No , we should live our lives as if we seek eternal life , THAT is what we should do ..... Because life is NOTHING unless it's eternal ..... 100 years goes by fast ...... Living this life "to the fullest" is a big bowl of nothing ..... Read Ecclesiastes to understand what I'm saying ...... Best book ever written , by the man who had EVERYTHING , and called it "worthless vanity and vexation of spirit" ..... Kings and Beggars end up in the same hole in the ground , think of all the movie stars "who had it all" , now dead six feet under ...... This life is nothing , it's the next life that counts

[@lonccoccala6861]

Read the Iliad this aknowledge comes from this 2000 and something year old book.

[@غسان-ل1ق]

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[@غسان-ل1ق]

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[@patrickkanas3874]

He has a point about gods envying mortals due to mortlality

[@cant8160]

There is only one God

[@Gabriel-ml8yd]

@@cant8160 To me, there are two. Will you refute me? They talked to me yesterday, i felt their presence and i believe in them.

[@mikem9001]

@@Gabriel-ml8yd Can you ask them to keep their arguing down? Ever since I've got this gift of second sight, all I can hear is gods' domestic rows.

[@cant8160]

@@mikem9001 you are watching too much television I can tell

[@michaelantoine4057]

The bible says there are many gods and many lords

[@cuauhtemocmorisco3493]

This movie makes you question everything. Just imagine in a thousand years we will all be dead at least this generation and what will we have left behind? And what will we have taken? Life is truly a beautiful mystery forsaken by our selfish desires to keep going.

[@irregularzero9537]

Don't cry because it's over, but rather, smile because it happened. In a Thousand years they will be talking about the impact that dumb ass internet memes made by teenagers have had on the status quo and the shifting of social currents. I think the future will have plenty to think about.

[@shawndorsett13]

@@irregularzero9537 i like the way you think your forefathers 1000 years ago also said the same thing about their generation

[@annaliseaudrey963]

@@irregularzero9537 Once civilisation falls again (as it always does) this moment in history will be DEEPLY profound, as no other point in history have people been this interconnected, with this many reading and writing. Scholars who collect the fragments of the past will be endlessly fascinated by this period, and will study endless amounts of the art, text, cinema and social politics of this era. Hopefully they have access to Black Mirror episodes, because they will paint an accurate picture of how overwhelmed we were as a society by rapid technological advance.

[@joethekinghawk7514]

Deep, deep

[@surfboarding5058]

We will live behind Instagram stories

[@prithabanerjee3706]

You know when Achilles says that he knows the gods that's actually true. His mother was the Nereid (immortal sea nymph) Thetis. She'd had affairs with Zeus & Poseidon. She'd raised Hephaestus when Hera threw him from Olympus and helped Dionysus when he was only human. Achilles would have genuinely known the gods

[@tbggaming8977]

Zeus is not real my brother

[@mikem9001]

@@tbggaming8977 No, but that may not be what Pritha is saying. Some people think that the greek gods aren't in the movie Troy, whereas others think when Achilles says "I know more about the gods than your priests; I have seen them", he isn't kidding. It makes more sense when we consider the mythology behind it. Also, Pritha may not be your brother, but your sister. ;o)

[@prithabanerjee3706]

@@mikem9001 haha yep. I'm a girl.

[@tyroneloki5131]

@@tbggaming8977 then what is?

[@somnathchakraborty9320]

That's right. I always found this piece of dialogue fascinating.

[@tyroneloki5131]

"I could have forgiven a dumb brute" 'so ill fall in love with you instead'

[@jamclancy9335]

We can see how Achilles reasons well in this scene (as in the other scenes in this movie) which only suggests that he is more than just a great warrior. He has wisdom as well. Of course as portrayed in this Greek mythology

[@lumapas]

Morgan freeman:"whats the purpose of living when you know that you don't die and you'll live forever?"😤

[@zyroneesguerra5263]

Where show did he say this? I wanted to see the show? Plsss.

[@MattyCakez18]

Achilles, man of a thousand battles, having killed tens of thousands of hardened warriors, couldn’t block a wet cloth 0:34

[@joethekinghawk7514]

He didn't want too.

[@phaapoe3052]

Depends on who is throwing the wet clothe😂

[@stopess254]

Nothing more, nothing less, The guy just wanted to get layed. And so wisdom was a consequence of his intentions.

[@libville]

Awesome scene. Thanks!

[@agenttheater5]

I don't know why I like this movie more than the 'Helen of Troy' movie that was released around the same time even though it got a lot more things right (I'm usually a stickler for what movies about myths got right, the reason why I hate the clash of the titans movies). I just do somehow

[@agent4754]

One of Mr. Pitt's finest performance. And NoHomo but dammn, he is so freaking hot in that movie!

[@Averagetms]

Can’t say no homo after that bro

[@chris-ww6gd]

Lmao. Man card revoked indefinitely.

[@HowardFair]

@lschmitzcomet I agree this is the most memorable scene in the movie. I went expecting to be disappointed because I love the Greek Myths and I thought the movie wouldn't do the Illiad justice. Well it was great and it certainly is my favorite thing that Brad Pitt ever did.

[@mondochild]

I was born, this is what I am........

[@baileymarshall1530]

She’s not afraid of him I’d be a little nervous ha

[@brianmallen8887]

The best thing about this movie is that they didn't have any of that gods in their robes on top of Mt Olympus b.s. This puts religion in its proper place- speculative. I like the stabs of agnosticism: "And how many legions does the sun god command" "you killed Apollo's priests. Yeah? Where is he?" "The gods envy us." It's a fantastic movie with war, combat, complicated conflicted love, family ties. And above it the birth of philosophy to rival superstition. Bravo Wolfgang Peterson, Brad Pitt and Rose Byrd.

[@celebrim1]

Perhaps. But in Homer's story, the gods were anything but speculative. So is it better to cater to what you want to hear so that you won't be uncomfortable, or better to be faithful to the story?

[@brianmallen8887]

@@celebrim1 Well, obviously Homer or whomever wrote that story was a true believer. "The Gods" running around getting personally involved. But this event actually happened. Or is that lore as well? How do we relate? When it's all on the line, make it or break it time, life and death hangs in the balance, oh there's lots of praying going on. Fact is, The Iliad is such a great story that it didn't need The Gods directing traffic from Mt. Olympus. Achilles didn't need divine intervention to be the bad-ass that he was. The director and screenwriter of "Troy" were very explicit throughout that film with their atheism. Achilles was their champion. "The Gods envy us." You get it? Why would supreme beings be interested in mortals? Achilles was one interaction away from saying "we made them up." Agemmenon wanted to be an empereor, and he was well on his way with that game plan. Achilles wanted to be known as the greatest warrior of his age. And Brisaes. Ulysses didn't want Aggamemnon invading his country, that's why he fought. ..All these motives are very very human. Like a checklist of the things people desire the most. No lofty religiosity there. Reality on display.

[@eugenesilchenko93]

Excellent.

[@annamariaricci2146]

Beatiful briseis!

[@katherinemartin4426]

ALWAYS FAN OF YOU, LOVE YA, KGM

[@CHEESYhairyGASH]

nailed it

[@matimus100]

Screw fear and Screw respect. 🌏

[@toasturhztoastbunz896]

0:33 I dunno why I found that funny XD

[@dejabu24]

@caterina420 those were the best lines in the hole movie, Brad did a great job on this scene

[@penelopeclearwater4454]

Aphrodite goddess of love and fertility and romance!

[@كريمانمحمد-ث5ك]

سيناريو فاق براعه الممثلين

[@tcvicesquad]

0:44 Alpha as fuck!

[@user-xj7vz9wi1q]

روح قلبي هل فيلم

[@shymaichhangte1551]

"I thought you were a dump brute"

[@alalien1572]

🤠People has different beliefs about the Gods.

[@revertedakhi]

Achilles: Gods envy us because any moment might be our last. Zeus: Gods dont die, when we die it's not death it's an absence.

[@saga2828]

i like this part ^^

[@silannydote9514]

Hmmmmmmmm good night achile good Job I Like That Oky...!

[@cryzen7909]

me and my girlfriend cuddle moments @0:28

[@phaapoe3052]

😂😂

[@awakethemaster]

🦋

[@hamioudsohaib3878]

Stupidity ... Mortality is imperfection that's why mortals want to be immortals

[@2gunzup07]

And if you was immortal what would you do? What will be your purpose? Guide others? No what if everyone is immortal. I wouldn't listen to anything you say. Life would be a Living hell if humans were immortal.

[@lM-zr5vu]

There is Only One God.

[@dannycardona211]

No evidence

[@lM-zr5vu]

@@dannycardona211 Do you think that there is more than one 'all Powerful ' All knowing ' Creator or do you believe than there is no Creator.

[@dannycardona211]

@@lM-zr5vu no

[@goverga4072]

🌹

[@penelopeclearwater4454]

She is so blue !

[@nuraairaerilc2089]

Oohh briseis..why would u always play a lame mum character..this is much better

[@gogoshagara5475]

I didn't see the full movie but why no one mention the legend of the Holly water when Achilles mother hold his left ankle and dip him in that lake or river after that not a sord or an arrow can go through his body?? Ammm I think they don't want to show or focus on the ancient legends but I find them beautiful in many ways..

[@misterlove7013]

👌👌

[@MrMexijorge]

Nah! the best scene is, the beach landing! O.O

[@GoldBanks60]

Imagine a whole city losing their beach to 50 men.

[@modeizm5891]

@@GoldBanks60 The director’s cut, in particular.

[@Marina-br2cq]

The Gods forgot us,the real Gods are dead,the murders are at the role.

[@petercoundrelis4495]

No they aren’t lol

[@gjezik]

Rose Byrne

[@MrWadewynn]

Achilles was portrayed as a rockstar in this film, and it really works well because every iteration of the iliad afterward sucked ass. This film is entertaining

[@Trev0r98]

"... i could've forgiven a dumb brute.." - but she could *not* forgive an intelligent, alpha warrior? i think that's what most women want: intelligent, alpha warriors. Kings, in other words. Intelligent, informed women today want Kings in their lives.

[@JohnDoe-et8th]

Boy, do you miss her point. A woman can forgive a dumb brute, as she earlier says, because she pities him--he doesn't know any better. A man with a spiritual brain who runs around killing anyway is responsible for what he does--such as killing her brother Hektor later. Most women want someone with a conscience. Grow up.

[@Trev0r98]

@@JohnDoe-et8th Quiet, you.

[@soundwavesuperior28]

@@JohnDoe-et8th this entire convo is funny as hell lmao

[@soundwavesuperior28]

@@Trev0r98 do you really have no rebuttal after 2 years? lmaoo

[@cryptojihadi265]

​@@JohnDoe-et8thactually, they don't. As evidenced by the fact that she totally fell for the brute with a brain that knew damn well what he was doing.

[@nat0106951]

Athiest vs thiest

[@mikem9001]

Achilles isn't an atheist. As he says to her, "I know more about the Gods than your priests; I have seen them!". His own mother is a Goddess. He just isn't impressed by a lot of the religion because he knows more about it than the priests do.

[@cookiecutter6735]

@@mikem9001 _"Apolo fears me"_ Earlier decapitated his statue as to say that he can spit on their names and they will not lift a finger. As far as the Iliad is concerned Achilles _"knew"_ that the greek pantheon was real, as many others in fact often came in contact with the Gods. But in the 2004 movie, he clearly disregards them as petty, weak, overglorified.

[@mikem9001]

@@cookiecutter6735 Achilles attitude in the 2004 movie is faithful to the Iliad. Diomedes struck both Ares and Aphrodite with his spear, wounding them. In other literature, Heracles also strikes Ares and drives him off. Just as in the film, Achilles in the Iliad had seen the Gods, knew they were real, and knew their power had limits.

[@mikem9001]

@@caveman4659 Is there anything particularly atheistic about individualism? Its an interesting idea. Buddhism for instance is essentially atheist, yet also law-abiding (to a fault). In the movie, I really wonder how individualistic Achilles is - he expects complete obedience from his own followers, probably stronger than Agamemnon expects from him. You make a good point about him striking down Apollo's statue, but then he also completely accepts his mother's prophecy and her station. Thinking then about the book (the Iliad), I also don't think it shows Achilles as entirely individualist. He is quite respectful of certain authority, especially of the Gods. In Book 1, the whole basis of the quarrel is that Achilles is the speaker for the whole army, who says to Agammemnon that it is clear Apollo must be angry with the Greeks and therefore they have to consult a seer to find out why. When the seer says it is because Agamemnon took the priestess Chryseis, Achilles speaks for the whole host that Agamemnon must make restitution. He isn't being an individual here, more like a union shop steward representing the assembled workers (so to speak). Anyway, thanks for the interesting discussion.

[@mikem9001]

@@caveman4659 "but it could just be bad narration on the part of homer" Okay, catch you later.

[@sergiosensual5114]

Faço às palavras da personagem como minhas...

[@nothinghereligma3363]

Achilles is a cheater. He can’t be hurt or killed unless he is strike in his Achilles heel lol

[@gabigrig4374]

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[@penelopeclearwater4454]

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[@aminhamiti7142]

There's only one god. Atheism is like gambling when you die and found that God exist what your reaction would be. Search what the head of Satan church said when he was dying

[@rannpub]

This argument goes both ways. Imagine the reaction of a person finding out in the death bed that there's nothing more and he/she wasted the one chance not doing so much! What do you think is worse? Existing and being punished or ceasing to exist in cage of our own making?

[@jonnytheamerican9959]

Definitely finding out that there's nothing is worst of all... u wouldn't think about your life because it would be over and u would cease to exist

[@JohnMccann-ld3yr]

@@jonnytheamerican9959 believing in a celestial dictator is a sign of real stupidity, and being stupid is like being Dead, it's only painful for everyone else

[@abdurrahmanniaj8516]

The fake gods envy us.Indeed their is one true God because if their is more than one both will have been collapsed to established their decision

[@Србомбоница86]

Go away Muslim

[@tombishop8565]

You mean there.

[@CHEESYhairyGASH]

nailed it