2 Awesome Airplanes 1 BIG Difference

[@tvideo1189]

If it took that much force to break the PLA version, you could cut WAY back on wall thickness and win back a lot of excess weight.

[@nicholasjacobs1967]

Troy, you could swap out the 1100mAh 3s battery on the pla plane with a 4s 1100mAh battery to move the cg AND increase the rpm/power without changing the motor. Batteries make for free ballast - always having extra Wh never hurts! Great video, thanks.

[@jjsemperfi]

Yup, sounds to me like he was trying to sell the LW-PLA pretty hard.

[@cochiseimprinting]

@@jjsemperfi YEAH..BECAUSE IT WORKS

[@maurivirtua]

Thank you for showing us the flight performance with these weight differences, it really interests me because I intend to make whole models in the near future or at least parts of them with this LW PLA, unfortunately we don't have that here in Brazil yet.

[@samchee_gee]

Please which printer would you please recommend for building UAV parts or other aircraft parts before assemblage

[@rcdavidk]

I'm brand new to 3D printing... actually waiting for my first printer to arrive the end of Feb. I've learned more about 3D printing, filament, settings from your videos than from anywhere else. Excellent explanation and walk through. Cheers.

[@fyzobaba]

U always gona learn for life.thats one thing about 3d printing.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you David I appreciate the comment. Good luck with your new printer. Cheers

[@jjsemperfi]

To me it looked like the PLA flew much better and was more stable. The LW-PLA looked too squirrelly.

[@SebastienChedalBornu]

CNC kitchen made a test on light weight pla and determine the percentage of strength according to the foam percentage

[@doverivermedia3937]

Very interesting and insightful video Troy. Thanks. 🇬🇧

[@Savage_Offroad]

It would be super cool to do a STOL landing competition between these two planes. The LW-PLA would be the winner but by how much?

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yeah that would be an awesome test!

[@Flight2020]

With normal PLA so much stronger than LW-PLA, it looks like LW-PLA is not obvious winner and maybe designing more delicate (thin) structure optimized for PLA is not worse than LW-PLA.

[@mikasjoman]

I'm currently using a 0.3mm nozzle and that makes it lighter than my LW-PLA prints now using PLA plus

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

Thanks for sharing. I am getting the p1s , do you need to change the nosle or it could be adjusted in the settings. Newbie! Also can I scale up any of these aircrafts by multiplying the data in a single number say 1.5. I like flying aircrafts of wing span of at least 1500mm Is scale up possible

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

If light weight pla comes only in black or white, so how is it red now. Does it involve painting. This is also a extra step

[@fargonaz]

I really appreciate your analysis. The plane looks real fun to fly... in LW-PLA. This is definitely going to be my first Eclipson, after I finish the 3DLabs Edge. I'm printing my parts in ABS, as the LW stuff is pretty expensive.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes this plane flies well it definitely looks pretty cool. Good luck finishing up with your edge.

[@mickydee6550]

How about printing the fuselage out of regular PLA and printing the wings and tail parts out of LW PLA? That way you would get a strong structure to carry the motor, batteries, landing gear, and a lighter structure to save weight in the wings and tail. That would also help with the balance issues.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes that would work well. A hybrid system of PLA and LW-PLA is a good balance. For this video I just wanted to compare the two side by side.

[@mickydee6550]

@@TroyMcMillan Any chance you could weight the PLA version with the LW PLA wing installed to see how much difference there really is?

[@kswaid1]

You can get LW-PLA filament from MatterHackers in the US as well now (assuming you can catch it in stock). That helps with shipping cost and time compared to ordering direct from ColorFAbb. I managed to snag a couple of rolls last week before they ran out again.

[@almosh3271]

Good job!! How can I obtain STL files for this plane. Do you have the printer setup avilable?

[@sorryociffer]

You purchase the STL files from the designer. Search for Eclipson 3D airplane

[@TroyMcMillan]

www.eclipson-airplanes.com/

[@avejst]

Wow, what a differences!! Great video Thanks for sharing👍😀

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you

[@av8za]

Great demonstration of the property differences of the filaments and manufacturer design processes.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you

[@lancelatta7456]

Nice video. I'm almost finished printing my first PLA airplane. Thanks to Eclipson and Flight Test for the free download. I was kind of scared to try 3D printing a plane because of the time it took to print it. My fear is always a crash and burn on the maiden. Now that I have tried this, I will probably be ordering some different models from Eclipson. They have this stuff figured out for sure. All of the parts came have come out perfectly on my Ender 3. Keep flying!

[@freddieparrydrums]

Free download?

[@englecam]

Really Nice vidéo. Great comparaison

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you

[@mikekelly6774]

Interesting comparison. I wonder if they removed structure from the PLA version to have equal strength to the LW-PLA what the weight difference would be.

[@hthring]

this is a very important pont, as that model has extra reinforcing to make up for the LW PLA low strength

[@shawnmichalski2746]

Ever thought to coat the inside with latex for strength?

[@architjain129]

Thank you for a detailed review!

[@debbiechris5335]

how to setting lw pla, used polymaker ?

[@RobertoMettifogo]

Hi, can you suggest me some company selling good 3d print rc airplanes other than planeprint and eclipson ? thanks

[@TroyMcMillan]

www.3daeroventures.com 3dlabprint.com 3d-printz.at

[@AerialWaviator]

Very insightful video. Would suggest editing title to include "(LW-PLA vs. PLA)" to help with search results. I had initially overlooked the video assuming it was focused on tundra style planes, not realizing the focus. (my bad, delayed viewing and and didn't realized I'd missed) The comparison is very dramatic. 890g (PLA) vs 680g (LW-PLA) as measured on the bench. ie: PLA is ~1.5x heavier, or LW-PLA is only 75% of weight of PLA edition. And ... this didn't include the extra weight added to PLA version to adjust CoG, so 900g+ in reality.

[@MrKswanny]

Is Eclipson ever going to start offering the Model C for download?

[@kingpinsvt]

He mentioned in a prior video that he’s helping beta test, so I assume it will be available soon.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Eclipson will have it available for download soon they are still working on some final parts. This is a prototype.

[@donnevanbiljon6337]

heyy guys! I have a print volume of 220 x 220 x 250 mm is that big enough for this projects?

[@everythingrc5652]

Yes most of these only need 200x200

[@natewarda2205]

Yup! That should work for these!

[@jps99]

Thanks, that was very informative. Eclipson really did a great job with their design. That is a really great airplane. I imagine it will end up on my printer real soon!

[@reeceengineering]

Im printing 3d lab print's wings without stringing. It can be prevented with proper settings, even with the temp as high as the filiment can handle.

[@ZagFurn]

Do you have a save file set up for print settings for the normal pla in cura? From my understanding Plane Print doesn't directly slice with cura and you need to do adjustments and I've just not got it dialed in on my Ender 3 S1

[@dericklong6191]

Does all eclipson planes have no retraction?

[@addohm]

Why are there splits in the model? For example, if you look at the underside of the Wing Center model, there are complete splits going from bottom to top.

[@crowsnestdigital3696]

How about a hybrid? some parts in PLA and some in LWPLA?

[@kevinbuggie3808]

I'm printing an Eclipson EBW 160 and some wing parts print completely clean, while other wing pieces with more internal support structure are printing with stringing lines on the exterior adjacent to the interior support lines. I had the z seam set to 'back' and retraction at 2.5mm. Any ideas?

[@kevinbuggie3808]

Also th EBW 160 has circular cut-outs within the internal support structures and that seems to be where I get the stringing. The parts that print cleanly for me don't seem to have those cut-outs. In the video, it seems that you say the newer bush plane from Eclipson doesn't have any of the circle cut outs. Maybe a change from their older designs before LW-PLA.

[@kevinbuggie3808]

Adjusted the combing mode setting ('from not in skin' to 'off'), like you recommended in your settings profile, and now no stringing on exterior of prints! Seems to have switched to the interior wall, which I can't cut off as well with razor blade but results in killer smooth wing surface. Thanks again

[@TroyMcMillan]

@@kevinbuggie3808 Sorry for the late response it seams you have figured it out yes this would be my recommendation to check combing mode. Yes this must have been before the LW-PLA print method. I am happy you are having smooth prints now good luck with your build. Cheers

[@markpritchard4447]

Hi Troy and congratulations. You are the first KZbinr to get me to hit the "Subscribe" button. Keep up the good work

[@mscir]

Great work, thank you.

[@BharathwajK]

Is Styrofoam is less weight than LW-PLA or both are similar weight

[@Kaljumees]

styrofoam is much lighter

[@giov.L.4125]

Thanks for the data provided, what is the name of the place where you fly?

[@TroyMcMillan]

It is the Dry Lake Bed in Las Vegas. Mursha Reservoir

[@charlesrestivo870]

Arent the settings preconfigured in the gcodes

[@RichardTardif1984]

Interesting, however I think a better comparison would be a lw eclypson plabe vs a pla 3d lab print plane with similar Wingspan and power train. Eclypson designs for the properties of lw pla whereas I feel others design around the weight penalty of pla. I think that would be an interesting comparison. Sadly the decision for me is already made, the prohibitively expensive shipping of lw pla is a considerable disadvantage. In addition the cold weather flying is not great for the durability of these planes.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes true the cold weather would be hard on this material.

[@TheDgdimick]

Troy, Thanks again for a great video. Why are you not using VASE mode with the Eclipson model? There would be no Z-Lines using VASE mode. Not having the STL files and seeing how it would slice, I could be asking a really stupid question. Your strength test have shown me, that while I may be pretty experienced with 3d printing, I'm better off using normal PLA until the level of my flying is a LOT better. Seems like this is a normal, the better you get, they better gear you can use to fly with.

[@TroyMcMillan]

I have tried to print in Vase mode with Eclipson airplanes and it doesn't work. It leaves out some sections if you select this mode on. Yes definitely as you improve your flying you can get some awesome planes.

[@kfamilyvideos1]

Great video, how many model C's can you print out of a 750g spool of lwpla?

[@TroyMcMillan]

Definitely 3 maybe 4.

[@peterbrown8862]

It would be nice to see a comparison between LW and regular pla after the wings are glassed. It seems like it would be a great way to build giant scale framework.

[@Adam_Carbone]

Just clicked on the video, this is what I have been waiting to see 👍👍😁

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you

[@crissan5035]

what cad software do you use? Are these 3d designs universal or a re they like cells phones and macs?

[@TroyMcMillan]

fusion 360, and they are universal, the stl will work with anything

[@PerceptionFPV]

hey ive been flying fpv drones for a few years now and have a 3d printer some soldering skills and generally some understanding of electronics so my question is i want to get into flying rc planes and im thinking about 3d printing one would you recommend that and if wich plane would you recommend

[@rva1945]

I'd like to visit that nice flying field during my next visit to LV. May I know the coordinates?

[@TroyMcMillan]

It is such a cool place to fly! It is called Mursha Reservoir, just south of Boulder City

[@EnesMAkyol]

Great comparison! What is ur printing temp. in LW-PLA?

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you. I print at 235c and 53% flow with LW-PLA

[@GatorGlider]

Great info and use for the LW-PLA. Since you have printed a good number of planes I was wondering if you have branched out into materials other than PLA? I've been using some engineering grade materials, CF-Nylon and CF-PC, and was wondering if they would be worth exploring for this application. Also, I was wondering if you've had any issues with UV or temperature exposure in your models. I recall a flying buddy building one and having issues in the FL sun and temps.

[@henrygutierrezjaimes]

Gran trabajo amigo, hermosis esos aeromodelos saludos

[@MikeHobbs71]

Great video Troy. It would be great to see how you get on with the 3D LabPrint Bungee Prop which uses a similar continuous print method.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes I have seen that model they have done I may give that a try.

[@MariusSorteberg]

The Bungee Prop is very light and uses a indoor model motor. It doesn’t handle wind at all, but fly very slowly. It’s in a different category than the other model Troy has reviewed, and some of the other planes in the 3DLab PrInt LW-PLA series may be better options for comparison. I do like the carbon fiber rod reinforced that Eclipson uses, haven’t seen that at 3DLab Print.

[@TevisC]

I understand the weight advantage, but what about strength to weight ratio? What about printing a wing web with pla then using some kind of coating sheet plastic like a balsa constructed plane?

[@EPYCMX]

Was this test done with 2s or 3s batteries?

[@janesmith56]

Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but I've not seen a video on the effects of the elements (Heat and UV) on a plastic airplanes. Can you recommend some or perhaps do one?

[@HuckThis1971]

Lw pla more porous why it is opaque and lightweight?

[@TroyMcMillan]

LW-PLA has a foaming action when it is printed above 230C. That makes it lightweight it is also printed at 53% Flow

[@fahb68]

Hi i live in a placer very very hot... Do you think that entirely petg 3d print plane Will work??? I already print the 3d print lab spitfire on regular pla but if i leave It on the sun gets soft... Thanks and keep working

[@jimbruce4348]

Thanks for the informative video. I was most interested in your comment regarding the Eclipson models not needing retraction due to the way they print. I followed your Tutorial on PlanePrint settings and came up with some very good test parts... However, when I loaded the Eclipson test print, used their Cura profile I see lots of blue travel lines and printing is giving me loads of stringing. Have I missed something? Thanks

[@TroyMcMillan]

some of their older models didn't use the no retraction method, and the test part might not be updated to reflect the newer method. but every plane I have printed from them use that no retraction method!

[@Syrimbet_ata]

Друг ты молодец, всё правильно сравнил. Я печатаю в Vase , если в Vase не идёт переключаю в нормальный режим. Ты на какой скорости печатаешь LW PLA ?

[@yfhu5892]

我是PLA和LWPLA结合在一起，这样会节约成本

[@tsmith6669]

Hi from Downunder in Australia I admire your videos Troy keep them coming. I love your desert location as we have deserts too, however 99% us live on the coastal fringe with far too many trees looking forward to a holiday in the never never will take my 3d printed planes with me.

[@stephan1712]

could the whole plane be printed in ASA? as this is ah little ligther then PLA?!

[@brezovprut4431]

Tried LW-ASA?

[@AlexRamirez-bj1zm]

Hi , what will it be your suggestion for fist PLA printed plane ? , I can print but I have never flown a plane before. Thank you for your support . Regards

[@michabaszynski3337]

Hi Troy, thank You for a great video. Can You tell me, which one from the 3D printed airplanes You have made will be the best one for a beginner, please?

[@TroyMcMillan]

The one I just finish from Eclipson would be the best for a beginner. It is easy to print and flies very well The Model V.

[@michabaszynski3337]

@@TroyMcMillan thanks a lot :-)

[@gke3800]

Looks like game on with eSun now releasing PLA-LW

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes I know they just shipped me a few roles I will be using it in my next build.

[@charlesrestivo870]

Just a first thought I own a ender3v2 in the market for another printer specifically for the rc hobby of airplanes

[@Martin-X]

How do optimize my designs for LW-PLA.?

[@zubuxstein]

Do you sell them?

[@TroyMcMillan]

the link to the stl file is in the description

[@endliberalism4305]

Thanks for the vid bro. You are one smart dude… I wish I knew more guys like you :)

[@user-ch6iv2bn2j]

I hate liberalism

[@DerMaje]

You should put it on two chairs with the edges and hang some weight on it with a rope exact in the middle of it. So you can see how much weight it takes to brake it. I hope you can understand what i mean. Sorry for bad English, its not my first language.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes I understand. I have planes to use these Model C airplanes in a future video so I didn't want to break them and Eclipson has done G rating test on these airplanes and they are definitely strong enough to take some good G test.

[@motionsiik4964]

Great videos. Sub''d! I'm trying to print the PRANDTL. I notice some of the cross-bracing makes a lot of "hanging loops" before it bridges the gap and actually spans across the chord and connects the two surfaces. I'm following all the of the recommended settings. Is this normal because there is no "support" in the settings?

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes this is normal I have had it happen to me I just let it keep printing and it will have a few layers not connect but then it will bridge the gap eventually and work good. Thank you for the sub have fun with your build.

[@Prt_3D_RC]

I like that you compare the two but the manufacture is always out so why do it when you can not buy it anywhere. It is just a tease to us wanting to buy it. They can not keep up with the demand so I gave up on trying to get it and gave up on buying the models from Eclipson until I can buy the LW filament, so we all loose. I will just have to stay with what I have until they get there production back up or a copycat starts to figure out how to make it.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Do they have LW-ASA in stock you can use that it is a new product they just made. It is like ABS or PETG more heat resistant but still LW.

[@rcpowres]

I wonder how reliable the LW pla is in terms of long live durability. Especially when carrying it around to the, back home and so forth. However thanks for your video. Cheers

[@YouMakeTech]

Excellent video, very informative. Exactly the information I was looking for. Thank you. May I ask you which Eclipson airplanes print without retractions? I would like to build my first 3d printed aerobatic plane and I hesitate between the model R and the MXS-R...

[@TroyMcMillan]

I believe they all are printer with no retraction now. I haven't built the MXS-R, so I can't speak to that one, but the Model R is one of my favorite planes and flies SO well as an aerobatic plane!!

[@YouMakeTech]

@@TroyMcMillan Thanks for your quick reply. I am printing the Model R right now. Your video about the Model R triggered it! I really like the way it prints, assembles and flies as shown in your video. I just printed the first wing section on my Ender 3 and I am not disappointed. It prints easily and beautifully right from the provided Gcode! Thanks again for your videos, they are very helpful

[@TroyMcMillan]

@@YouMakeTech I really appreciate your feedback, and I am SO happy my video helped you!! It is a sweet plane!

[@Johnellenberger1]

Why don't you use the regular PLA for certain load bearing parts and the LW-PLA for things like the wings. That way you can get the best of both worlds!

[@TroyMcMillan]

This plane does have some PLA parts also I talk about that in the video. Definitely a hybrid system is the best option

[@michaelalix4943]

MatterHackers has Colorfabb LW-PLA in the US. Great same day shipping too.

[@st3v3nk3]

I just bought the model C, and i have one question: The full PLA built is twice time heavier than the LW PLA. It is still a good plane with almost twice of mass? :) I am a beginner, this is a "trainer" an the LW pla is much expensive than the pla :) And i am struggling. I do not want fall into unneccesary money spending. yes yes i know the RC fly is not a cheap sport..:D But yeah i seek the answer: it is all good to flying, made in all pla print? :) Any experience? sorry for my english.

[@vitorhugolalanda1978]

Grate video! Question: For the big Bobber you use regular PLA in order to get resistence taking in mind the stricture of the plane? I have a Ender 3, wayting for de V2 board and BLtouch, hoping to get better bed leveling, for the first time... Regards Vítor Lalanda

[@nielsonoliveira2]

HELLO, I AM FROM BRAZIL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH SITE I CAN BUY THIS AEROMODEL MODEL ..

[@Themilkman12345]

How well is petg

[@wingsininventor]

Hello, thanks for great review and tech info. May I ask you about the wing loading for each of the planes when at flying weight & CofG in correct place? Thanks & many more successful projects. Regards

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you Eclipson has done the exact testing PLA is something like 10 times stronger than LW-PLA

[@wingsininventor]

@@TroyMcMillan thank you. What I meant to ask was how many lb of take off weight per square foot of the wing area was the wing loading on each model. In europe we measure it in grams per sq. dm. From this value one can conclude how approx fast each of the models is. This is just an information. I am not trying to be vise or judgmental. Both models are cute and I am looking into 3d printing as a way of my hobby. The light weight PLA is a great discovery to me. Best regards

[@santiagoblandon3022]

Great video! I wonder how other materials lighter than PLA but of comparable strength like ASA or HIPS would do 🤔

[@TroyMcMillan]

That would be interesting to experiment with for sure

[@newerarc4784]

Great video Troy I'm definitely going to try this. Question. What is your opinion on printing out of abs and would abs be stronger and heavier?

[@mscir]

Looking fwd to your FPV drones.

[@charlesrestivo870]

So Elipson profiles will automatically show in my machines settings

[@W020-j9o]

Very enjoyable. I'm from the balsa generation, but 3D molded construction is very interesting. Is there any way to combine traditional materials and techniques to keep the weight down? I'm thinking of hard balsa spars and longerons with additive manufactured complex curved parts and ribs. Maybe inserted spars in a a very light wing structure to avoid having to cover, or with cover. Would epoxy work with PLA? Lots here to experiment with. I could imagine getting the weight down below 500 g that way. I also like your approach to simple tests. Subbed.

[@sjoer]

No weight comparison? I see scales but no weigh in...

[@EquinoxRC]

Hey Troy great video as always! I do have a question on Eclipson's zero retractions. Is that something new or have they always been like that? I have several Eclipson models and all of mine have retractions which is totally fine but I'm wondering if maybe I don't have a setting that is correct. They always print great so that's never been an issue. Just wondering.

[@TroyMcMillan]

I have only been printing Eclipson planes for a few months so the Model A was the first plane from Eclipson. All there planes will be designed like this now. They may have been in the past but to make sure that the continuous printing works the Z seam needs to be located.

[@jamieclay007]

Maybe once the price for LW PLA is cheaper (actually the shipping) I may play with it.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Are you in the US?

[@AerialWaviator]

Keep an eye on filament pricing around timeframe of Dutch holidays. (a group-buy with a friend to split shipping costs also help, as shipping 2-4 rolls cost the same as single roll) I found a nice discount, this way by way of lucking timing as to my purchase. In last year a few N-American 3d-print suppliers have begun caring LW-PWA, but only limited color options of the expanded range of colors available. 🌈

[@thebigfut]

I would be interested to see the difference in the ability to break when the skin of the wing has not been broken. Because that skin also aids the overall strength of the ribbing and such. Just curious...

[@inspiringengineer]

Love this - Thanks! :D Subbed :)

[@TroyMcMillan]

Thank you

[@Utube2Itube]

I guess you could claim that the pla version is more scale, i.e. the weight to size ratio is closer to a real airplane? That’s what I like generally with 3d printed planes vs foam planes.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes definitely PLA version is more scale.

[@TheRattleSnake3145]

I would have thought the wings would need a carbon spar.

[@youtube247stories]

i am using the esun pla-lw and it is very nice at 60 speed. i am using the elegoo neptune 3 + . like you videos

[@naasking]

Interesting but seems like an unfair comparison. If the PLA is that much stronger then you don't need as much reinforcement, so you save weight that way. Using a PLA-LW model for the PLA plane isn't really a fair comparison then, as it's not clear whether a plane specifically designed for PLA would still weigh more in the end. Definitely a question worth investigating because the PLA plane would presumably be more impact resistant too.

[@MariusSorteberg]

Thanks for another great video Troy! Thanks to you I discovered PrintPlanes Big Bobber, and have now printed that one with the wing and tail in LW-PLA. As you also mention in this video it's a lot of stringing, but the weight savings are still about 50% for the parts. I have also printed some of the 3DLabPrint planes, and I think you are a bit unfair in this video. Eclipson have really made a step towards designing their planes for LW-PLA, but the latest designs from 3DLabPrint do the same, using "spiralling vase" settings in the slicer. The Bungee Prop I printed was just ridicules light, and I hardly imagine it's possible to make that design in balsa any lighter. Please do a review of one of the latest designs from 3DlabPrint, as both them and Eclipson are really in the forefront when it comes to designing 3D printed RC airplanes. Cheers Marius

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes you are correct 3D lab print is now designing there airplanes like this. Just the only plane I have made from them was not this way and it was hard to print. I definitely will be trying another one of 3D lab Prints planes to compare it to the other print styles. Thank you for the comment. Cheers

[@SammyB562]

Their zero that says it’s designed for LW-PLA still has stringing and retraction. I wish they would get rid of the diamond structure in the wing. The cub doesn’t use it and prints beautifully.

[@EnglishTurbines]

I need the heavier PLA version, 3 times stronger 4S 1300mah lipo. Put a real propeller on it, good to go...I don't have a warm, flat calm Desert to fly in...lol.

[@TroyMcMillan]

Yes I ordered a bigger motor for the PLA version. Definitely with some more power it will fly better than the flight I had with it.

[@EnglishTurbines]

@@TroyMcMillan Agreed, it also needs a bigger capacity Lipo, even a 2200mah 4S isn't unreasonable...🤔🤔🇬🇧

[@TroyMcMillan]

@@EnglishTurbines True that could be a better setup for the PLA version it would be a much faster panes with that setup.

[@rcdavidk]

@@TroyMcMillan Which motor did you order for the PLA version?

[@EnglishTurbines]

@@TroyMcMillan You might be surprised, the plane has enough wing area, the increase in flying speed won't be as much as you imagine. Besides landing a little faster, it's going to be around 4 times stronger than LW PLA...a good thing IMO...🤔🤔🇬🇧

[@jtroutt19]

I would rather use pla and have the extra strength. Counter it by adding different motor.

[@did3d523]

where find a desert ?

[@HciContractor]

There's some in Egypt and Saudi Arabia has some... there's a few in the USA. Australia too

[@did3d523]

how much @@HciContractor

[@h.omuronar1526]

Merhaba hocam! 3DLabPrint internet sitesinden Cessna 152 yi indiremedim. Ödeme yapamıyorum. Türkiye ile ilgili ödeme problemi yaşanıyor. Bana yardımcı olur musunuz? Eclipson Model Y indirdim. Ama asıl istediğim Cessna 152. Lütfen yardım edin.

[@Dreie]

Merhabalar. Eclipson modeli bana yollayabilme şansınız var mı?

[@fgroen1225]

The way you dropped out of that roll with the LW plane I suspect the CG is too far forward.