SumoSprings vs. Timbren

[@Mantooth2851]

Installed a set of Timbren on our '01 F250 7.3 back in 2008. We just sold the truck two days ago (July of 2021) and they are still on there. Worked from day one with zero maintenance. We towed bumper pull campers, 5th wheel RVs, and my wife's heavy 3-horse trailer with LQ for years with them. Very happy with the Timbren product.

[@martybadboy]

Nice calm video with no garbage. Very informative!

[@markharvey7988]

Fabulous video! It specifically answers the questions of which is better for a given need. For my purpose, it's Timbren. Thank you!

[@garymaney9701]

I installed timbren on my 2002 Silverado and sumo springs on my 2002 Tahoe. Theres alot of bounce in the timbren. The sumo springs are alot smoother.

[@Granturry98]

I have a 2003 Tahoe. It sags considerably when we hook the boat up to it. My Tahoe is leveled in the front and on 33's, which makes the rear sag appear even worse. With the sumo springs on your Tahoe, how much sag does it allow, before making contact with the axle?

[@richarde1355]

When you say 'smooth', do you mean the Sumo Springs dampen/recover more quickly than the Timbren? Which model Timbren and which model Sumo did you install? Thanks!

[@endtimes2]

Thank you for your feed back, now I know I have made the correct purchase, the results were phenomenal with Sumo, awesome product, buying a second set of 4 for my second box truck for construction business.

[@jackdamron382]

I installed Timbren based on their recommendation. Excellent service. Highly recommend Mich Spring.

[@mlaugh3]

Good job on the Video. I use the Timbern SES. Works well for me. My Truck is a 2014 RAM 1500. This application was the most cost effective and efficient way to go for me for my trailer towning . I am happy.

[@RMRMatt09]

How does it rife when not towing and under a normal load?

[@mlaugh3]

@@RMRMatt09 It rides just like stock suspension because the Timbren has not been contacted yet. Once the Timbren reaches a certain load then it will start is job supporting the load. The video explains it pretty good.

[@jad21964]

I out the Sumo Springs on my Jeep JKU front and back in place of the factory bump stops. They are fantastic!

[@chodson65]

I have a 2020 JL, thinking of towing a travel trailer. Have you towed with your JK and Sumo's? Do you think it's a good purchase for towing?

[@WizardOfWhoopee]

Hey! It's Ryan, he helped me with my old mud truck.

[@ussweeneyd]

Excellent tutorial! This really cuts through the snake oil advertising content of many suspension “Add ons”

[@windellstephens9359]

Great job! I do believe I'll go with the Sumos on my Class A, F-53 chassis.

[@Northofsomething82]

I have the Timbren 8600lbs capacity ones installed on my F250. I’m really happy with them. I can haul my camper with virtually zero sway and hauling a full cord of green firewood bucked up is a breeze. I’m really happy with the purchase. I have no experience with sumo but they look rad too.

[@RMRMatt09]

How does it feel when emoty?

[@jamesphillips7283]

​@RMRMatt09 since you leave 1/2 -1 1/2 inch space when installing you will have your regular suspension. So however your vehicle drives empty before installing will be the same.

[@silvershadow4965]

Very informative video. I recently installed the black solo Sumo Springs on my 2018 ZR2 because with my camper shell, BedSlide and a full load of camping equipment including water I was near GVRW. At the same time I put on 1” leveling kit in front and upgraded to LT tires with E load rating. Overall the truck still drives very well and I don’t see much difference from stock. The Sumo Springs definitely help with rear sag particularly when carrying a full load.

[@jacobzirkle9153]

I just put the blacks on my 21 GMC Sierra with canopy, a deck system, two gunners kennels. So far I love what they have done for the truck.

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

To the point informative & accurate video 👍. I have a small transport business taking travel trailers & boats from Mfgs to dealerships. 5 to 9k often around 6,500 pounds dry. Tongue weights 500 to 1,150 pounds plus sometimes a motorcycle or snowmobile in the bed. Truck is 14 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel so soft coil suspension in the rear. (but great mileage). Anyway to compliment a WDH, plus provide suspension dampening control & support is quality axle to frame air bags. Fixing sag if not using a WDH is actually a side benefit though many newbs buy them for that purpose. Since summer of 14 & 765,000 on the truck only had trouble with air leaks requiring line replacement once but I don’t live in a cold climate here in mid Ohio. Anyway I have a friend & fellow transporter and a son in law both with the same truck. The Sumos in one & Timbrens in the other. Have spent seat time towing with both. I have towed son in laws 8k travel trailer with my truck as well as his same except I have axle to frame air bags sumos on his. Mine rides smoother with better suspension control on rough pavement but otherwise is the same. The black Sumos still much better than friends Timbrens IE not not harsh or jumpy with the wrong load over wash board, expansion joints, or speed bumps like with the Timbrens. No sway with either truck. In short if you don’t want air the Sumos are much better than Timbrens for certain loads and the same ish with other loads.

[@timrice5342]

thank you!

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

Surprised at the comments for Timbren bump stops. Try Timbergrove axle to frame air bags or Sumo springs (made of neoprene) if you don’t like air. Either way you will never go back to the bump stops.

[@acdii]

So thats what is different. Good to know. Have a set of 1500 Sumo on my F150. They really help with a load, just don't use the spacer if you don't wish to feel every crack in the road.

[@timcarlson5760]

Wow. How truly informative. You answered so many of my questions in one short video! I feel so informed about which route to go. Thank you Thank you!

[@DarrenMoore71]

I have an F-350 2018 dually and have sumosprings and torklift stabilizer load installed. I have a 3,200 lb slide in truck camper and I pull a 20 foot cargo trailer at the same time. I've had no problems with ride comfort, squatting or truck sway. I have driven over 60,000 miles with this setup. I have never tried Timren but maybe I'll try them on my new truck.

[@lanceschul]

Are you still happy with Sumo? I have a Ram3500 dually and carry an Arctic Fox camper, pretty heavy. I am tired of playing the air pressure game. I would appreciate any follow up.

[@JosephOlson-ld2td]

I put AIR LIFT bladder bags in rear coil springs on Sienna, adjustable, progressive compression and works like pneumatic sway bar

[@wierpkevin]

I love my Timbren supports. I pull a fifthwheel camper and they make the rig much more planted a feels better on the road

[@rvingmylifeaway8295]

Thank you, the best explanation I have seen, now I can make a well informed decision.

[@Weak_juan]

I went with timbren on my ram. It was more easily accessible and I like the factory look.

[@justinfincher2385]

What year model is your ram? Mine is a 99 half ton, unfortunately I don’t have the towing package so mine is totally lacking in load capacity.

[@mariobajac]

I went with a Sumo spring because I don't always drive with a heavy load in my pickup truck and I know guys with the other one with the solid Rubber and when they don't have a loan in it it's like driving on concrete blocks I definitely don't want that but I definitely noticed the ride quality is much better with the Sumo spring on the back man what a difference it made best mod I did to my truck yet to any truck I had especially for the money

[@jamesphillips7283]

If installed properly the timbren should give dame ride as before you installed them since you have to leave space.

[@matheusfelipeschirbel4200]

Which color did you use?

[@marioalvarezvilla2464]

Timbren is rated for 5k+lbs since its hallow, sumo is rated from 900 to 1500 lbs since it has air but its more Cushion

[@Will-bp2yc]

I tow a 15,000 lb. Fifth wheel (aprrox. 3-4K tongue weight) The ride and handling is great! Timbren's 's are great but, when empty with around 500lb. in your truck the Timbrens come into contact with the frame. (This will give you a hard ride) . Having previously owned air bags, ( can be adjusted for weight) also a great ride loaded. The problem with air bags is even when you aired down to 5lbs. they still ride horrible empty. (its because both ends are attached to frame and axle). The answer to Timbrens empty ride problem: Re arc leaf spring or go with Roadmaster Active Suspension. I chose the latter.

[@JavierRivera]

What about the Sumosprings

[@cashhacks3792]

Amazing comparison and great info. Thanks!

[@wenhargis7727]

I have a 2021 GMC sierra 2500 pulling a 15k gooseneck. Works excellent

[@e.a.r.9155]

Used Timbrens on my RAM1500 towing my 28' trailer from Inland area over Mountains down into Desert n back (San Diego County). They work excellent under lots of weight (even w/ weight distribution bars on trailer would still sink my 1500) and now in Oregon hauling 1ton pallets of wood Pellets home.. Would be impossible for light duty truck without Tembrens. *BUT.. under No Load they are like Concrete bump stops over every speed bump (hurts my kids' rears even in back seat..!) every pot hole, bump, etc. AND makes my truck skip to the side sometimes with such stiff suspension.. (because they only work as suspension under extreme weight, Otherwise THEY DO NOT GIVE..!) So I switch between stock bumps back n forth when hauling or not. Stock bumps pop off, Timbrens will snap in (no bolt) but usually you have to jack up the axle to get them to pop in, I tried a crowbar, couldn't do it..!

[@kayakfishersofmen]

Thanks for the education Brother! Well Presented Video. God Bless!

[@AstroVagabond]

Great presentation!

[@steveboom635]

what kind of watch is that looks good

[@realistic.optimist]

Adding a Carli 5.5 inch lift but still need to carry a snow plow and do not want the front to drop. I am taking it that Timbren are the better choice?

[@nevillemcnaughton6306]

Awesome presentation of data.

[@cristianstriblea792]

I am so undecided . I have a class A motorhome and I don’t know which one to chose for the front axle . Timbren or SumoSprings ? Any advice? Thanks 🙏

[@tattedone6753]

What's the best one for an unloaded vehicle which ones are best for non bumpy rides?

[@OOICU812]

Sumo are softer riding. Rewatch the video, he talks about it.

[@swervinsearles2315]

Would sumo be better suited for an 18 f150 that occasionally hauls a 6000lb camper (ball hitch) and sometimes has dirt bikes in the back? I’d prefer a smoother ride when unloaded.

[@Truckspring]

Both the Timbren and Sumo offer a smooth unloaded ride as they do not contact the axle when unloaded. If you want to avoid the possibility of a harsh contact on big bumps the Sumo is preferable as the softer material is not as jarring on sudden axle contact.

[@bakadeshi_aunstudios]

I have a Bluebird tc2000 that we converted to an RV. fully loaded she weighs in at around 23000 lbs. I can get a kit specifically made for the TC2000 from Timbren, but cannot find a suitable spring from SUmo that I know will fit. Do you think the Timbren one will handle this weight without making it too harsh? I was all set to buy the TImbrens, but the people on here that are commenting on it makinf you feel everything in the road is a little worrying.

[@guygravel4804]

Great video, my question.. I have a class A Winnebago Vista, F53 chassi.. you mention (recommended) theYellow Sumo, although, when I called to order specifically for that motor home.. then told me to get the blue ones ( they go with the GVWR weight) ~ care to comment ? ~ just looking on the best shocks for my RV thanks

[@Truckspring]

On some applications SuperSprings produces SumoSpring kits for specific GVWR and GAWR. This may be based on the weight that the vehicle is designed to carry or is may be based on differences in the chassis or suspension between the different weight ratings. If there is a specific kit for your F53 based on the GVWR you should always stick to that kit to ensure proper fitment.

[@kaboomgg]

@@Truckspring Thanks for the great tip.. best regards

[@rj12345rj]

What do you recommend for Toyota Tacoma for general use? Limited towing/weight in bed

[@jamesandrews598]

I have a2019 F250, installed steelcraft elevation front bumper and I can for sure feel it there. Which one of theses would you recommend and should I add heavier springs to bring it up? Thanks for the video!! 👍👍

[@tayninh69]

Most excellent presentation.

[@petrdrbal10]

Awesome video thanks ,do you see any problem using the Timbran in the aplication above spring as the Sumo is shown in the video side frame bracket above leaf springs ....would that be to much impact to the springs since it is harder material ? I have 02 E450 ..I have to modify . Thanks

[@Mr_brut3]

Great video .. I have a 2008 Toyota Sequoia springs are sagging should I replace the springs then add some sumo ?? Or add helper bags ?? I tow a travel trailer when we go camping .. what should I do

[@Truckspring]

If the stock springs are sagging it is always best to address issues with the base suspension system before adding additional load support kits, the truck and the kit will work better if everything is healthy. For a truck that hauls infrequently I would recommend using a fixed load support like the SumoSprings so they will always be ready when you need them. An air spring kit works great for trucks that haul often but it is easy to forget to check pressure when you only use it a few times a year.

[@Mr_brut3]

Michigan Truck Spring thanks I will do that

[@MrFrodo1111]

I have a 1993 D250 Dodge which I tow my 12,000 pound fifth wheel with..weighed at scale the rear end carries 6000 pounds with extra 50 gallon fuel tank etc, the axle is rated for 7500 and the 2 tires are rated for 7000 pounds but the thing sags and wondering WHICH system would give me a better option, interested in the 5000 pound Timbren but it seems they only make the 3000..the bracket seems to be the only difference as far as dimensions of the actual rubber damper...which would you recommend for my application?

[@Truckspring]

For your application Timbren only shows the 3000 LB kit and for the weight you are carrying you may benefit from something with a higher capacity. In this case you may want to look into 5000 LB air spring helper kits to better handle the weight. The 3000 LB Timbren kit may be a benefit but if the axle is carrying 6000 LBS it may still allow too much sag when fully loaded.

[@MrFrodo1111]

@@Truckspring yea..in looking at it further the part that bolts to the truck itself is the same for the D250 or the D350..the only difference is the actual rubber thing..1/2 inch taller but carries 6000 for $100 dolars more or the F2 50 setup with the exact same rubber piece for $214 rather then the $314 for the D350...it seems Timbren has all the parts but does not list for the D250 even though it would fit just fine but it is more ...NOW IF we could buy the metal attachment separate then we can make it work just fine

[@Truckspring]

@@MrFrodo1111 We do not typically recommend using a kit that is not assigned to your vehicle application. It may be best to speak with Timbren directly if you would like a stronger kit for your application. Timbren is open to customizing kits to suit customer's requirements and having them verify fitment will ensure the kit will work as designed.

[@BrockOBauma]

Considering that sumos aren't available for my truck, I guess I'll go with timbrens.

[@mikemiller9119]

Forgot pricing!

[@dufus2273]

thats what i wanted was the price

[@SweetTink0722]

Pricing can fluctuate while these facts won’t. Google the model you want for accurate pricing!

[@jjuggernaut3218]

Great video! No fat to trim, just good info.

[@JL-qf3hq]

Do these products shift the load onto the Timbrens/sumo springs instead of the leaf springs, essentially doing the work of the original suspension system? Seems like Timbrens don’t compress enough to activate leaf springs or am I missing something?

[@TheNetcase]

Your springs will sag first then the Timbrens take over. Timbrens are suspension enhancements not a suspension replacement.

[@taschoeberl1]

Very informative! I have a 2019 Ford F-450 Limited and tow a 2016 Keystone Raptor 425ts toy hauler 5th wheel. I have always used in the past and want to use something different in my F-450. What would you recommend and model number? Thanks

[@ruopimalas]

Great presentation, Thank you. I just bought 2015 Thor Palazzo 33.2 diesel pusher and don't know if I can benefit from either one of these spring. Please advise. Thanks,

[@Truckspring]

Typically, The SumoSprings are the more popular option on motorhomes as ride quality is the priority. If very heavy loads or a trailer is to be used the Timbrens may be a better option for the rear. Please feel free to give us a call and we can go over options with you.

[@vinnyoutside8936]

Timbren kicks ass. I have had them on two of my trucks .I wouldn't even consider anything else.

[@bobgil3464]

Thank you for helping me decide which suspension support is best for my 2016 Class C E-450 Thor Outlaw Toy Hauler looks like the SumoSprings would be best for my application. I do carry a 960 pound hauler in the back and need the support. Do you agree?

[@Truckspring]

SumoSprings tend to give the best results on motorhome applications. Since you will be carrying extra weight in the back a heavier set of SumoSprings will benefit you more since they will be able to assist with supporting the extra weight and helping with sway.

[@franki5506]

I have an 08 Tundra TRD. I use it as a work tuck and occasionally carry heavy loads. Would either option help with sag and protect my truck from damage?

[@Truckspring]

Both a Timbren or a SumpSpring could be used to help minimize sag when your truck is loaded. The kit that you use should be based on the weight that you carry and keep in mind that the kits will need to allow a set amount of sag before they begin to carry weight so there will always be a bit of sag when loaded.

[@lj5245]

YES I WOULD GO WITH THE SUMO FOR A BETTER RIDE THE TIMBRENS ARE GOOD BUT THEY WILL JAR YOUR TEETH LOOSE.

[@mrzif0013]

ruv motorhome replacing front bump stops. which summo yellow or blue ?

[@jaymackay4303]

I have a specific SumoSprings question: On an F-150 4x4 single cab SWB with a 2" front level on Snow Plow/medium duty front suspension, which color/weight would you use for a 1300 lb camper that transfers a little weight forward and being used off road?

[@Truckspring]

With a front leveling kit you may not see any benefit from a front fixed load support kit. A fixed load support kit like the SumoSprings may not even contact until sag has already occurred past the 2" leveling kit and by then the benefits may not be noticeable.

[@iHADI4]

I want something makes my raptor 2014 easy to tow What you recommend ?

[@dangerdanadv1445]

I'm looking to beef up some aging springs on my Nissan Frontier. The truck is primarily a daily driver but is usually empty, however a few times a month I put a dirt bike on a hitch carrier, or sometimes two in the bed. I am also planning on installing a 2-3" lift kit at a later date. Which system is better for the mostly empty, sometimes loaded duty? And does one kit make it easier to modify it to accommodate a lift kit after install?

[@Truckspring]

In your situation the Timbren would be the best bet. Timbren openly supports lifted application and can modify a kit with spacers or different Aeons to accommodate the extra space created by the lift.

[@richarde1355]

@@Truckspring I have a 1996 Toyota Tacoma 4x4, and will be towing a 3500 pound trailer a 2-4 weeks out of the year. Both Timbren and the Sumo light bump stops seems like they would provide good assistance to the leaf springs. I also need to replace the OEM shocks (front and rear). Most of the time the truck is our second vehicle, our chore/errand/camping rig. What do you suggest for the OEM bump stop replacement and shock replacement? I visited your site and there are so many options. Thank you!

[@HILDEBRANDimage]

I have a 2017 F150 4x4 and haul a pull behind RV trailer, which when attached does sag a bit. Which brand would you recommend to eliminate the sag. Thanks.

[@Truckspring]

Both the Timbren and the Sumo Spring will help limit sag but they do need the suspension to compress some before they make contact and begin to carry the weight. On a full size pickup I would recommend use of the Timbrens for the rear when pulling an RV camper. If you want the truck to sit at a stock height with the the camper loaded you will need an air spring kit to actually raise the truck back to stock height with a load.

[@lj5245]

They will stop the sag but the timbrens will beat you to death.

[@JT01991]

L J even with a load?

[@dmmak2678]

Thanks for the great video. Nice job. I have a 1991 F-250 4x4 extended cab, with helper springs installed in the rear only. The truck is used to plow snow and haul water. Winter temperatures can get down to -50F. The truck sags in front (when the 850 lb snowplow is mounted), and sags in the rear (when hauling 2,800 lbs water), even with the helper springs in the rear. I don't want to lose the nice, soft ride that this truck currently has, but I would like to get rid of the front and rear sag, when under load. I would like a system that is reliable and not that difficult to install. It would be nice if it were just a bolt-in application, with no modifications needed. What would you recommend? Thanks.

[@frankgonzalez3275]

Thanks for the video. Very helpful, I have a 2019 ram with coiled rear suspension. I tow a heavy travel trailer and would like to add a gold cart. (Thus the need for some suspension upgrades) I have a 2 inch leveling kit on the front suspension. What would be my best option to to help with pay load while towing. Thanks!

[@BrianLampright913]

You should consider swapping the rear coil with Kelderman air bags, that would be ideal for what you are doing.

[@jeanmattison3600]

I have a 2004 Gmc 3/4 ton crew cab 4x4. I pull a 3 horse slant gooseneck. Empty about 4600# loaded about 5500# weight.i noticed on my last trip a little bounced. Would like a smoother ride for my horse. Which product would you recommend? Thanks in advance. I have seen so many ads for both.

[@ThePedalDance]

What did you end up getting? Also have a 2004 GMC and looking at Sumo vs Timbren

[@thomasducote3601]

What springs are recommended for 201&8 Ford raptor, towing a bumper pull trailer the rear end sags

[@Truckspring]

With the Raptor's suspension setup there are kits made specifically to fit. SumoSprings SSR-142-47 and Timbren FR1504R. The recommended kit will depend on the tongue weight of the trailer.

[@DonaldTrumpIceCream]

I have a regular cab 2017 Silverado with 2 inch blocks in the rear for a lift. My reason to getting summosprings is only to soften the ride quality, not for towing. Is this a good idea? And is there a way to have the springs constantly touching the frame even with the lift? Thanks in advance

[@Truckspring]

Both the SumoSprings and Timbrens are meant primarily for load support and the Sumosprings may not provide the ride smoothing you are looking for in this situation. The brackets that are included will not support the extra space left by the lift and you may have to fabricate taller brackets to get the spacing that you want. In this situation I would not recommend one of the fixed load support options. It may be better to look into upgraded shocks depending on what is causing the rough ride.

[@Icutmetal]

I have the black SumoSpring solo units on my 2018 GMC 2500HD; I went with them because they were the absolute cheapest on sale, and I figured I wouldn’t I wouldn’t be out much if I didn’t care for them. The ride quality unloaded is 100% unchanged, and they seem to provide a bit of additional support once engaged. That being said, I haven’t really loaded my truck down yet with much more than a bed full of firewood or the tongue weight of an enclosed snowmobile trailer. I think Timbrens would be the way to go for a heavier duty option, though. They are priced much lower than the heavier duty SumoSpring options, and seem to get great reviews.

[@patrickpeterman4890]

I have a 2002 Ford f53 class a motorhome I have installed new BILSTEIN SCHOCKS&ROADMASTER rear anti-sway bar; My question pertains to which product to buy? ?? which product is best suited for a class a motorhome with a 22,000 lb payload great information much appreciated, PATRICK.P

[@Truckspring]

SumoSprings are recommended on most motorhome applications due to their more forgiving ride quality. The Sumos will offer some extra load support without being too stiff. The SSR-181-54-1 SumoSprings Maxim will fit the rear of a 2002 F53 with a 22,000 GVWR and the SSF-172-40-2 will fit the front.

[@patrickpeterman4890]

Thank,s appreciated the info; PATRICK.P

[@machine7767]

You said timbren is self damping. What about sumo springs are they self damping?

[@1728Kev]

How does each type hold up in -30°C

[@grantandjanice]

I have blue Sumosprings on my Nissan Frontier (Alberta, Canada) and have used from -35C to +30C I love them. I was so tired of just a few sandbags in the bed slamming the factory bumpstops. Just a tiny bit on the stiff side with an empty bed, but with any load they are perfect.

[@lovelovelovelilian]

Good stuff! What do you recommend for a 2016 Expedition XLT? I tow a racing trailer, travel trailer, or firewood on a flatbed. Thank you/

[@Truckspring]

Unfortunately, the options are limited on the Expedition due to their suspension design. The only helper option that we offer is a Coil SumoSpring and the rear coils will need to be measured for fitment. With the vehicle sitting on the ground we would need to know the gap between two twists at the center of the coil. Coil SumoSprings will provide a 30% boost in coil by resisting compression. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me at [e-mail]

[@darrylm3627]

Good Stuff, Great Tips👍🏿😀

[@manuelaguiar5167]

Did you have that kit for VW Vanagon rear end ?

[@jacaughron55]

97 Chevy extended cab 1500 will be towing a travel trailer which one should I get?????

[@Truckspring]

Currently, SuperSprings does not produce a SumoSpring product for your truck. Timbren would be the way to go for your application but we will need to know if it is a 2WD or 4X4 and how heavy the travel trailer is to make an exact kit recommendation.

[@JOSECARLOSLAMASARRIAGA]

excelent information , tahnk so much

[@mondoalvarez2486]

Should I change my shocks before installing any application?

[@Truckspring]

Replacing shocks is not required but if you are upgrading a truck that has seen some miles, replacing the shocks while adding a load support option can improve the stability of the truck when hauling. We recommend considering Bilstein shocks.

[@jimmiller4608]

I have a half ton truck and pull travel trailer. Which application would you recommend?

[@Truckspring]

The best kit will depend on the weights that are being carried by the truck. What is the weight of the trailer when it is being towed or the hitch weight?

[@infomillcroftlawncareco.lt1739]

Just bought a set for my ram 1500 installed in five minutes easy set up. Quick question they look like the will hit the beam before the go flat on the load support is this a normal ? Thank you any help or thoughts

[@josepires4345]

That’s great!…you had what installed?

[@infomillcroftlawncareco.lt1739]

Timbers on my 1500 works great should be mandatory for all trucks

[@xSILENTNEMESISx]

So im lifting my truck 3 in.. chevy tahoe 02..which is the rec??

[@Truckspring]

A Timbren kit is the recommended option with a lift. They are able to modify kits with spacers or taller aeons to accommodate the extra space created by the lift.

[@Icutmetal]

I just purchased a 2018 GMC 2500HD 4x4 CCSB; I won’t be loading it heavy 75% of the time, but would like to be able to utilize a snowmobile sled deck without any excess sag or sway, which I’d estimate to weigh about 1,500lb. Would you suggest a Timbren/Sumospring over an airbag kit for my application?

[@Truckspring]

If you are only loading periodically I would recommend the Timbren or Sumospring over an air bag system. If an airbag system is not used regularly it is easier to forget to check and maintain the minimum pressures and if the kit becomes damaged due to running on no pressure it will not be ready when you need it. With a Timbren or SumoSpring if you only use it a few times a year or only during one part of the year they will always be ready.

[@stirv6462]

With that light of a load on a 3/4 ton its just getting to the point where it starts to drive the way it should. They're meant to be used the way they are, they ride rougher than crap when empty and only get better when you get some weight on them. 1500 lbs is nothing, it won't even sag enough to touch the timbren thing.

[@Icutmetal]

Stirv I appreciate your feedback. My last truck was a super clean 1997 F350 standard cab; this new 2500HD rides like a couch in a Cadillac in comparison.

[@Icutmetal]

Michigan Truck Spring Thanks for your reply. I like how the SumoSpring “Solo” mounts the same way as the Timbren; they are rated differently, but for less capacity in any case. I’m most concerned with maintaining stability with the weigh up off the bed fairly high, more so than the amount of weight itself. I’m thinking the SumoSpring option will probably be the better option for my needs since I imagine it will also ride a little softer once engaged. Your thoughts?

[@Icutmetal]

I ended up purchasing the SumoSpring Solo SSR-207-47; they sit off my rear axle about 1” or so when unloaded, and maybe a little less than 3/4” with 600lb of snowmobile & cargo in the bed. I don’t think I have noticed them all since installation, and have not loaded the truck any heavier yet. They were extremely simple to install. Wondering what I’ll end up doing if I go with 1.5” blocks in the rear; I know Timbren offers added spacers.

[@gvc56100]

I have a 2017 Ram 2500 (off road pkge) that is used 20-25% of the time to haul a 5th wheel . I get a little sag, what do you recommend?

[@Truckspring]

For your application and usage I would recommend a Timbren kit. You are towing frequently and the 5th wheel is squatting your Ram 2500 so a kit with higher capacity like the Timbrens will give you more benefit. For a 2017 Ram 2500 the recommended kit is a DR2500D. Both will work for your application, but the Timbren kit will give you some extra support.

[@gvc56100]

@@Truckspring thank you...

[@mdkhairul62jamil88]

Great video. I got Nissan Serena C23 year 2000. Which ones is good and how to fix it. Thank you (from Malaysia)

[@Truckspring]

Unfortunately, the Serena was not produced for sale in the US market so we have no information on the suspension system. Currently there is not a kit that we can offer that will fit your van.

[@johnbuchheister9142]

Thanks. That was very informative.

[@tifiree]

Which one you recommended to ford expedition 2012 Thanks

[@zumezoom9593]

whats the difference between this and leaf springs? which is better overall? i know nothing about this stuff

[@Truckspring]

Fixed load support options like the Timbren and Sumo can be easier to live with than a helper leaf spring. They require no adjustments for pre-load and they are quieter and in most cases the Timbren kit will support more weight than a steel helper spring will.

[@zumezoom9593]

@@Truckspring ahhhhhh nice. so does that mean I could replace the leaf springs for the timbrens in my van or truck altogether? it saves a ton of weight, right?

[@Truckspring]

@@zumezoom9593 These are not designed to replace the springs, instead they are a helper that works along with the leaf springs. If you leaf springs are worn, we recommend replacing them before adding a helper spring.

[@zumezoom9593]

@@Truckspring ahhh i get it now. much appreciated for the explanation, thank you

[@joshrhinebolt8711]

I have a 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500. I haul 30 foot travel trailer. Looking for something that would give me a less sag when I'm hauling it but not really rough ride when I am not. Hopefully I can get the best of both worlds. Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated thank you

[@Truckspring]

A Timbren it may be the better option when towing your travel trailer. The Timbren kit GMRCK15S will add support and prevent sag and when the truck is unloaded the Timbren Aeons will not touch the axle so the ride quality will remain the same. The SumoSprings may be a little on the light side as far as load support is concerned so they may not completely eliminate sag.

[@martyweiers]

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[@franciscodomenech8084]

The Timbren SES works excellent 👌 with the Road active master suspension.

[@thenewlife.pt2724]

I dont have load, but will it improve my ride ? Less bounce and more soft ride

[@Truckspring]

They are designed to improve the ride when loaded and not impact the ride with no load. If you suspension is in good condition they will not improve the ride with no load. We recommend Bilstein shocks to improve the ride when not loaded.

[@innervisionsOD1]

Thank you for this informative video! I own a Class B Mercedes Sprinter RV (2016 chassis / 3500 Model) dually. With the SumoSprings set up to decrease body sway over bumps and higher winds while driving, would the "black" colored choice be used for both front and rear axles as the ultimate set up? ...or I wasn't sure if one would use the blue in the front and the black in the rear. Thank you kindly for your advice and expertise!!

[@Truckspring]

On the Sprinter model motor-homes the most benefit for sway resistance will be gained with a higher capacity kit, but depending on the load for that axle you are free to use different density kits. On the front the SSF-106-47 is the more popular option and the highest capacity for the 2wd models. On the rear, a Maxim style kit that is attached on both the top and the bottom will help the most with sway issues. The heavier capacity will give the most benefit. The SSR-336-54-1 is yellow in color and it is the heaviest for the 2wd. On Sprinter vans you must check for a rear axle spacer under the factory bump stop. If your motor-home is equipped with the axle block you will not be able to use the Maxim rear kit. Instead, a solo type kit will need to be used.

[@innervisionsOD1]

@@Truckspring Thank you kindly for your reply! Truly professional and very helpful! Wish I was close to you guys to get this done... Cheers!

[@fordracer1415]

I put the yellow ones on my sprinter 3500 mh easy to install and work great

[@patbramble8958]

Can you have the sumo solo application with Air bags?

[@Truckspring]

Typically, the SumoSprings and an air bag kit will both use the location of the bump stops so they are not able to be used at the same time. On some applications where they mount in different locations you could use them both at the same time but the air bags may not let the suspension sag to a point where the Sumo Springs can contact and begin to support weight.

[@patbramble8958]

@@Truckspring Makes sense. I wanted to be sure. Would you do Airbags or Summo/Timbren for hauling a 5th wheel?

[@Truckspring]

@@patbramble8958 If your goal is to return the truck to stock height when loaded an air bag kit is the only option that can do that. If you would prefer an option that helps reduce sag with no maintenance the Timbren and Sumo will be the way to go.

[@MW-jj1rn]

For a Chevy 2500HD Diesel (2015) pulling a travel trailer would you recommend airbags, Timbren, or Sumo? I'm getting more sag then anticipated. I have a sway control hitch. 2018 Keystone-Premier Ultra Lite by Bullet-30RIPR. Thank you.

[@Truckspring]

I would recommend either the air bag kit or a Timbren for your use. If you want to return your truck to the stock height, with no sag when loaded with the travel trailer, the air bag kits will be the best choice. If you are Ok with some sag but would like an option with no maintenance, the Timbrens are the way to go.

[@kevin.gadgeteastman7531]

This might be just what I am looking for I do over load my battle wagon a bit🤫🤔🤔

[@mattrantz6016]

I have the Timbren on my 21 ram. I haul my travel trailer with it, but it still seems to jump around a lot. I was trying to decide if the sumo spring would be better.

[@Death_trap_auto]

Are they use or help a truck camper

[@richardmartin4608]

Thanks for the insight. Just for confirmation, you recommend the small Timbrens for a plow. I am putting a Western Unimount onto a 2005 Explorer and the smaller Timbrens would be the correct installation. Is this correct. Thanks.

[@Truckspring]

Depending on the front suspension there may not be a Timbren kit available. For the 2005 Explorer the only Timbren kit that is available will only work if it is equipped with the Twin I beam style front suspension. If your Explorer has a strut type suspension there is no Timbren kit available but there are coil sumo kits available for the strut style suspension that will help with the load carrying ability of the coils.

[@qouavang3646]

Damn... Im so stuck.. I do as much offroading as i do hauling... I have a 2015 tundra trd pro... Which should i get..HELP

[@Truckspring]

A SumoSpring kit may be the best option in your case depending on how much weight you are hauling. The Sumos will be much more forgiving when bottoming out off road and they will still support a respectable amount of weight. The SumoSpring SSR-610-54 kit will support 2800 LBS at 50% compression if that much is needed. There are also 1000 lbs and 1500 lbs kits for the rear if you do not need as much extra support.

[@uptopmikep7065]

Great comparison. thank you.

[@pedrodejesus1978]

I have a 2018 Silverado 1500 with a 4" lift on it and I tow a pontoon boat and do off roading when I go out hunting what would you recommend for that?

[@Truckspring]

Between the options of a SumoSpring and a Timbren the only kit that will fit on a lifted application is a TImbren and an extended kit will need to be special ordered. The Timbren will offer support but it will limit your off-road suspension travel. The Timben Aeon is only effective if it engages within 3/4" - 1-1/2" of the neutral ride height and once they are in contact any further suspension compression will be limited. Unfortunately, there is not a perfect load support solution for off-roaders as any increase in spring rate will resist suspension flexibility.

[@ferasal-khayyat3688]

Which one do you recommend installing for a 2010 Nissan Xterra?

[@davekozbial]

I installed the blue light-duty SumoSprings in my 2014 XTerra. HUGE improvement towing my 1800 lb tent trailer. However, unloaded, there is very little free space, which means the leaf springs don't get to flex much before the SumoSprings start to engage. This makes the empty ride a bit stiff and bouncy, which I hope will improve after I install new shocks.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Getting the proper spacing is essential and good shocks too. I'll take Timbren over Firestone any day. Both have lousy customer service though.

[@BHUFF]

I had great customer service from Timbren, they contacted me right away and took care of the problem in a day

[@iTsSlickxD]

use my truck to off road which would you use ? sumo two piece ?

[@bullheimer]

did you ever install either?

[@iTsSlickxD]

@@bullheimeri did timbren since it was easy to install

[@bullheimer]

@@iTsSlickxD when NOT loaded how is the ride?

[@iTsSlickxD]

@ wont lie i have no issues lol not bouncy at all

[@agustinherrera5600]

Hey what would you recommend for a 2016 tacoma lifted 3” ? Timbren off road bump stops or sumo springs?

[@Truckspring]

SumoSprings does not offer kits for lifted vehicles. Timbren does offer custom kits for lifted trucks. We work directly with Timbren on each kit. You will have to call us at 800-358-4751 to order a Timbren kit for a lifted truck as Timbren will need measurements.

[@goride365]

Which ones softer with an unloaded truck? I have the timbrens now but they are harsh when bottoming out… I have about a 2” leaf spring lifts in the rear on a 3rd gen Tacoma

[@OOICU812]

Sumo are softer.

[@3941602]

Great video informative

[@treepros]

I tow a heavy dump trailer 20k pounds with my 1 ton truck. What you recommend?

[@Truckspring]

For a heavy hauling scenario the Timbren will be the best bet. If the trailer is tongue heavy and puts a large amount of weight on the truck you may want to consider the severe service Timbren kit if it is available for your application.