TrueBrake Logitech G920 Load Cell Brake Pedal Mod... Or is it?

Exploring the TrueBrake Logitech G920 load cell brake pedal mod... and seeing what it really is!
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[@KarlGosling]

UPDATE! AXC Sim has been in touch and after a chat the website address and description has been edited to be more accurate and honestly reflect what the product actually is which is great! :) I now have one coming for review and as I said in this video it could be the best Logitech mod available so we'll soon find out! :)

[@LocostR1]

Personally I think they're still taking the mick, they've change the URL and some of the wording but there's still a lot there thats trying very hard to convince the customer that it's basically a load cell by another name "Measuring the brake pedal load instead of the pedal position" " It does this by emulating what a strain gauge load cell would achieve, you feel the load not the small pedal movements." "The end result is a robust and reliable pedal where the braking control is about pedal load rather than pedal travel. " "We consider TrueBrake an “Electromechanical Load Cell” or a “Potentiometer Based Load Cell” "Does TrueBrake measure load? Yes! The load compresses the internal heavy duty spring and that small movement is detected by the linear motion potentiometer." "Does a potentiometer and a spring measure load? When combined as a system, yes they do! It’s high school level physics"

[@itztoma]

nice!! i just received my order confirmation and is being made now!! i ordered it end of april

[@PKWeaver74]

In my opinion you have done them a great favour, better to change the marketing now than gain a reputation as misleading. They should wholeheartedly accept and own the decision to mislead and decide to market appropriately. I, like you would not buy on principle a product that was marketed as something that it isn't even if it was fantastic. I hope for their sake the product is good and they learn the lesson here. It's one thing for multinational hair conditioner manufacturers to make dodgy claims about what their products can do to breathe life into your dead hair, but don't try and pull the wool over the eyes of a bunch of sim racers! You have to have a master's in geek to even get started!

[@FlyingSi]

Karl, I hear what you're saying. Mine just arrived and I've given it a first try. Utterly amazing. It's night and day compared to the standard setup. Now I've never used a 'real' load-cell but, because I'm on a wheel stand setup, this is really all I can manage to afford! Hope you like yours...

[@RST1992]

ahhhh man i wish i had seen this before i ordered mine last week! New to sim racing and looks like i’ll find out the results the same time as you as we’re both waiting till july 6th for delivery. I also use the GTEYE springs and think they’re great! fingers crossed i havnt just wasted £55 .....

[@axcsim]

Why does AXC-Sim consider TrueBrake an “Electromechanical Load Cell”? 1) A strain gauge load cell (as used in many sim racing pedals) measures load by electrically detecting the small deflection (typically up to 0.2mm) of a steel beam. The deflection is measured by a strain gauge to give its electrical output. 2) TrueBrake measures load by detecting the deflection of its heavy duty internal spring. The TrueBrake spring deflects by 4mm at a load of 40kg and that deflection is measured by a very accurate (and expensive!) linear potentiometer. In both cases the load is measured by the deflection of a spring. One spring deflects 0.2mm and the other deflects 4mm. The stock Logitech pedal uses a potentiometer to detect the position of the pedal, the large movement of which is resisted by the deflection of a weak spring and a hard rubber block. The result of this setup is pretty unsatisfactory hence the demand for ways to improve it. You can change the properties of this setup by putting various things in its way or swapping springs but ultimately the position of the pedal is what determines the braking level in your sim racing game. TrueBrake does NOT measure the pedal position. I repeat, TrueBrake does NOT measure the pedal position!! Most people get this, if you don't then go buy a spring or some bits of 3D printed nonsense. TrueBrake measures load applied to the pedal by detecting the deflection of its internal spring (approx. 10 Kg per mm). The pedal is not directly connected to the TrueBrake piston. There is a weak spring that pushes the pedal back to its top position and a poly buffer that smooths the transition to a load being applied to the piston. When braking with TrueBrake you don’t sense the small movement of the pedal, you sense the load you have to apply to achieve braking in your sim. If you use a strain gauge load cell it works exactly the same except the movement is smaller. Ironically this lack of movement doesn’t feel very realistic and springs and poly-buffers are put between the pedal and the load cell to increase the movement of the pedal. I've offered Karl a free TrueBrake unit to try out. You'll have to watch this space to hear his views on it. Cheers Rob Green Owner/Designer AXC-Sim (Aeroxcraft Ltd)

[@axcsim]

Note that we have changed our product description slightly and also the page URL in response to this video. We're not and have never been out to deceive anyone. Our mission is to make your braking experience the best it can be without you having to spend a small fortune. www.axc-sim.com/product/brake-pedal-mod-for-logitech-g29-g920-g27-g25-pedals/

[@jeffa9429]

So it will measure a continuously variable load on the pedal from 0-40 kg?

[@axcsim]

Yes, that’s correct.

[@axcsim]

Different platforms and games will behave differently. For example Gran Turismo will only use the load to where it thinks the G29 rubber block is. F1 2019 has lots of options for calibration and can use the full 40kg if you want. On the PC and g920 you can calibrate full braking whatever load you want, up to the 40kg max.

[@Fearlessphil100]

Yeah ok, I'm understanding what you are saying there. Maybe the only thing you could have done was to put the phrase "Simulated load cell" in parenthesis next to "electro - mechanical load cell" to prevent confusion. Sounds like a good mod though, will look forward to Karl's review:)

[@jomi560]

This wasn't negative... it was passionate, and that's no bad thing. Thanks.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, it's hard coming on here and being that negative about something but I just couldn't get over the massive amount of misleading marketing on their site.... A good product will sell itself, you don't need to lie.

[@Fearlessphil100]

@@KarlGosling Good on ya for being the consumer watchdog, have done it myself with an E-tailer and their ad with a Corsair M65 pro mouse. Words can be misleading wether intentional or not. Looks like you'll be getting a review sample now, so I'll be very interested in seeing the results after reading the Manufacturer's reply.

[@JoeBlowUK]

The TrueBrake mod is a design improvement on the stock Logitech G29/920 brake, but using the same principles as Logitech. It will feel better than the original. But it is impossible to emulate the 0.2mm or less of flex you get in brake fluid by using coiled springs. A proper loadcell does and does it well. The way modern disc brakes work, the pads are virtually touching the discs. When you apply pressure on the brake pedal, the fluid in the brake pipes pushes the pads against the discs. There is very little travel, about the 0.2mm or less (that is what the TrueBrake mod designer refers to). The slight flex you feel is the fluid compressing. In race cars, there is almost zero flex... the pedal is rock solid. I have fitted a Ricmotech loadcell to my G29 brake pedal, which requires 70kg of pressure to max out the brakes. Once you hit that loadcell, it is like a brick, the only way you get more brake is by pressure, you feel no physical movement, just like in a race car. You use your muscle memory to modulate the brake, trail braking is a lot easier and easy to replicate every time. The loadcell has it's own electronics, not relying on the Logitech firmware. I am also connecting the whole pedal set directly to the PC via a Bodnar cable, increasing the resolution of the pedals to 10 bit. I have also replaced the gas and clutch potentiometers with Hall Effect Sensors, which are much more reliable and unlimited lifespan. The result is a set of pedals which perform as well as many of the higher end pedal sets.

[@aprosimracing]

I was about to buy it but missed this detail myself. You are doing a great job for the SIM community!

[@mikeevens]

I bought this a month ago, I have to say I'm very happy with it. I realised it wasn't a true load cell and took a gamble. I tried some cheap inserts which were rubbish. This mod is much better and worth the money.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah it looks well thought out and constructed... but marketing it as one thing when it's another is poor form.

[@mikeevens]

@@KarlGosling I agree with you comments, the descriptions are very misleading. I felt that there was just enough evidence to suggest it was worth the risk, rather than spending 100 odd for the rimotech load cell mod or a more pro set of pedals. I don't have the experience of the pro pedals but this mod suits me.

[@jimmiemitchell9980]

good to hear ...ordered mine two weeks ago.

[@dimitris.4484]

Actually I ordered mine knowing that it is just an "overgloryfied" logitech potensiometer. But I've ordered it because many positive reviews tells that it improves your braking a lot.

[@rikone01]

Karl, good vid and for new, uneducated sim racers a good education. Agree, they have taken marketing to a new level. I ordered one with eyes wide open knowing that this was not a load cell, but as a positive upgrade to just a spring. I'll let you know how it compares to the original G920 pedals when I get it. They are delayed due to COVID-19, so I expect it in late June. Keep up the great content!

[@KarlGosling]

Yes mate I'd be keen to hear your experience with it! :) If they had not filled their site with so much bull shit I would have bought one myself to review! lol

[@aliniordachescu947]

I've ordered mine months ago and can tell you it's miles better, for me at least. I was getting annoyed on what logitech came up with and the new truebrake mod is a great improvement. It's best if you can secure the pedals and chair you are in so you can be confident to push as hard as you need to on them :).

[@rodrigomatias5218]

Really like your channel bro! in my pedals i bought the GTeye spring $20 on ebay for the brakes and i swapped over the clutch and throttle spring, i'm really happy about it cause now the throttle has more tension and i don't go full throttle so easily

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate doing my best! :) Yeah thats a nice easy way to improve things!

[@Jarah]

Quality video, well explained and honest. Total respect. Watching your review next!

[@jimmiemitchell9980]

Thanks for the incite.... ordered 2 weeks ago....and hopefully it will be an improvement on my g25 pedals....time will tell.

[@KarlGosling]

I'm 100% sure it will be!

[@stepheneccles9412]

The last few vids have been great as always! Nearing 5000 subs eh? Way to go mate. Keep at it!

[@KarlGosling]

Getting there slowly Stephen mate yes! :)

[@keyserni]

I came across AXC-SIM from a mention on a discord server and then used Google. One of the first returns is the racedepartment forum reviews of truebrake. Rob had acknowledged it was difficult to get the concept across and answered a few questions in those posts. I didn't believe it was a true load cell after 5 minutes of research but I can understand why someone landing on the webpage might but it should have been easy for you yourself to find Rob's racedepartment posts. I bought the product after reading the racedepartment threads and feel in no way misled.

[@KarlGosling]

I just believe in things being honest and accurate from the start... if it's a load cell say it's a load cell, if it's in fact a potentiometer then don't say it's a load cell, the two are not interchangeable, comparable or even similar. A good product will sell itself there's no need to misrepresent it and this does look like a good product! :)

[@keyserni]

@@KarlGosling What constitutes a load cell in the first place is confusing and I can understand in turn the confusion around truebrake. A load cell system has to comprise both the sensor and the the solid object you are measuring the force through. Truebrake is not a load cell system, the combination of measuring the spring and using a solid billet of aluminium for the lower housing means the measurements taken can be highly accurate and a sensor to measure load not movement can be used. You get some of the benefits of a load cell with less of the hassle and hopefully cost.

[@keyserni]

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[@Walt1119]

Good video, always best to be up front and honest! Thanks so much for sharing with us!!!!

[@KarlGosling]

Exactly!

[@ionehkontehdiabo7627]

Karl im getting my g920 in a few weeks after wanting it after 2 and half years... your vids are the best about it... plus your farkin hilarious Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@Bodie2012]

Honest opinion from me about a g920 just bought one before covid hit because I got time off. I ordered it to play f12019 on xbox. Completely happy with how it played but this created a beast in me i now started watching other sim games and realized I wanted to a computer to get on the better sims. The g920 functions great, make sure to install all drivers correctly if you using pc. But in an honesty if you can get the extra cash together go with a fanatec direct drive. Or something a little higher end. You will want it if you really enjoy sim racing trust me. Good luck with your decision

[@King_Ears]

You won't regret it. I got my first wheel (G29) a few weeks back (at the age of 36) after wanting one for about 5 years after having a go on my friends G27. Couldn't justify the price of £300-£400 that a complete setup would cost to meet my needs for years as I also needed a foldable rig as I have 2 kids and my PS4 is in the living room. Ended up getting a X rocker xr circuit chair (it's a near enough carbon copy of the playsest challenge for £114 instead of £200) to go with the G29 and I absolutely love it. It's made GT Sport so much more immersive and enjoyable. Like the comment above its made me now crave a proper gaming PC to try games such as rFactor2 and iRacing but again the cost of a decent PC is not justifiable when I only get to race for a few hours a day. Anyway good luck and enjoy.

[@KarlGosling]

Enjoy it Peter and thanks for the kind words mate! :)

[@ionehkontehdiabo7627]

@@Bodie2012 god man im not trying to be a dick but im tired of everyone telling me to get a DD wheel... im just playing assetto and forza and pcars on xbox. Its a gift from my mom and my brother dude

[@ionehkontehdiabo7627]

@@KarlGosling no problem Karl!

[@robertcarvell8228]

Thankyou very much for this my friend 👍 I’m so glad I saw this before ordering one !!

[@KarlGosling]

No problem 👍

[@StickyGeko]

Thanks for educating us newbies to the g920,

[@KarlGosling]

Happy to help!

[@StickyGeko]

@@KarlGosling karl, having a few issues, pinged you a pm on FB with some vids, if you could help id be mega grateful. Cheers

[@karlfrost6530]

Karl thank you so much you just saved me 70 buff, they say its fifty odd buff till ye get on the website and all of a sudden its 69 notes to use your terminology😉

[@gappie]

No worries about being negative or a "hater", Karl. You're doing this in a very polite way. I love how you take your time to perfectly explain things and you come off as a super genuine guy. Thanks for the vid and really looking forward to seeing the review of this product. They should actually emphasize how they translate load to distance, so they can indirectly measure applied load. I am in doubt if I'm gonna buy this one and gonna let it depend on your review, mate!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, doing my best! Review will be out Friday all things going well :)

[@danielturtle6994]

Hi Karl. Firstly yes you are right about the potentiometer and that fact it isn’t a load cell. However I own this and not only is it very good to actually use it provides good break feel and has improved my times and consistency over the GTEYE spring that I used to also own and still do for the throttle and clutch. The GTYeye spring is nothing compare to this setup and for £50 it’s a steal. If it was a load cell, they’d charge way more, probably at least double. I actually gave my GTEYE spring away for free after installing this. Try it before you slate it

[@KarlGosling]

You've missed the point mate, as I said in the video the product looks good, I can't and didn't comment on how well it feels or works, quite the opposite... but saying it measures pressure and is a form of load cell is not true and very poor marketing.

[@danielturtle6994]

Karl Gosling yer I was thinking that the point you were making was mostly about the marketing and it is misleading I guess so agreed. However I personally think it’s the best brake pedal upgrade you can get on the Logitech pedal set without paying for a load cell upgrade. It would be interesting to see you do a review in the future out of curiosity to see what you ended up thinking of it. It’s a great well built upgrade for the money albeit a bit misleading in regards to advertising when analysed. Cheers

[@ronsmith5572]

I think i paid about $20- $25 fo two 25 lb compression springs for the throttle and clutch and for the brake spring set change which also came with two 45 lb compression spring which i also tried in my brake setup which came out to be 110 lbs which wore me out before i could finish a race so i removed one 45 lb compression spring from the brake pedal making it instead a 65 lb setup .

[@goatlova2478]

Good video. I've a g29 and have been looking at mods for it and if they're worth doing. I've seen people making custom wheel kits and magnetic shifters. Have you ever messed about with that yourself?

[@weepz]

"More flex than a yoga instructor" 😂

[@chobbs3384]

I love how chill he said it.

[@dederen1492]

I placed a bit of rubber thinner and longer than the g29 one in my g27 brake pedal and job done.Pressing a bit the pedal,i feel the resitance of the spring till the rubber and than more i push the pedal it's compress more and more,come harder.Not a load cell but much more efficient to reach the locking point and doing light braking than the rubber of the g29

[@krisclarke3000]

'itsa loada bollocks!'...very refreshing style mate!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate.

[@AC_Milan1899]

Thanks for the heads up Karl

[@KarlGosling]

No worries

[@benjimc1]

Whilst it can be confusing. I do think this works in the same way as the majority of load cell kits. I have always thought existing load cells were deceptive because they are just strain gauges attached to stiff spring/bumper combinations. In fact the thrustmaster load cell pedal kit is probably the only real load cell on the market in terms of what its actually measuring because it is installed at the base of the spring set and actually measure force/weight/load vertically applied. This load cell just measures the strain of the spring over a greater distance. The standard strain gauge based load cells, such as fanatecs, measure the flex of the pedal which is the spring in that system, the bumpers are just for preference and u can replace them with a solid block of titanium if u wish. The thrustmaster kit actually measures the force/weight like a bathroom scale although again, these are just strain gauges. I think the video is good because it highlights some wording and provides clarity on the product. And for AXM I think its probably some good press. i might actually get this upgrade before I go for a fanatec kit in future.

[@KarlGosling]

You're spot on there mate and the key difference between a potentiometer and a load cell is that one just varies resistance across a range and the other converts force energy into a small electrical current.

[@benjimc1]

@@KarlGosling yes and a strain gauge varies resistance by measuring the distance only it is over an infinitely small range. Anyway i will wait for your review of the freebie he sends out before I go for one :D

[@med640]

Quite honestly, you deserve a lot of credit for your calm, neutral demeanor and very detailed and understandable reviews. As a total novice all your videos have been of great help ! Thanks and keep going!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate very kind of you to say so! :)

[@hel5677]

Hi Karl, I get what you say in your video and you right because it isn't a load cell. Before I ordered my axc brake mod I read everything carefully on the website (which everyone should do anyway regardless of what they buying). I am using this mod for a while now and it works really well (GT sport, ACC and RaceRoom). It took a while to get use to but I definitely could improve my lap times and braking points too. Also I would recommend to mount the pedal chassi to a racing wheel stand as it will slip when you press the pedals.

[@KarlGosling]

I'm looking forward to trying it as it does look good!

[@johncochran9392]

Sorry about the negative experience mate. I've got logitech pedals too and I use the ricmotech loadcell. A few spring mods maybe in the clutch and throttle and I think that's about as fancy as you're gonna get with logitech pedals. Next stop, Fanatec. I know Thrustmaster offers a T-LCM pedal set now but they are unavailable everywhere I look. And to be honest I like the way my T300rs delivers but I've had pretty significant reliability issues that I've had to resolve myself which resulted in a lot of down time. And TM's pedal offerings are anemic at best. Not sure I would pony up to the T-LCM's at this point. YMMV

[@seebarry4068]

Barry soothed me to sleep talking about this one night, he was pretty impressed, unless I dreamt it.

[@slootje1338]

It would be nice if games had the option to have a non linear curve on brake force to the potentiometer's output, that way i think you could tune them to mods like this, and you could get similar results to actual loadcell pedals.

[@JerryHazard]

First, love your channel and demeanor, thank you for sharing your experience. I've learned by watching. Subscribed. I get where you're coming from with this video - and I think you mean no ill will. Here's the but: SEO is not necessarily advertising. Not everyone is savvy enough to investigate their url's, after all. While it does mention load cell on the page (agree, not the best marketing) I don't believe they're trying to mislead. They know people are searching for Load Cell, hence the SEO. The page does show a detailed diagram, with specific description of what the product is, what it does and how. While I agree that using a deritive term (mechanical load cell, or something?) is... weird - I don't think it's deliberately deceptive. I think they're trying to make a place for their product between the simpler spring upgrade and the actual load cell. Should they have invented a different term - probably! But again I don't feel them to be nefarious. That said - I'm not sure it's fair to call out a product in such a manner and then not actually test it out? I get it's more a PSA than anything, so that's cool I suppose. But the owner did reach out to you - I'd love to see your objective take on the product. And to be transparent - I ordered this a month ago. I was on the fence about what to do about my braking. I didn't want to go with csl elites yet due to finances, and at this point I've already tried two different spring upgrades, neither of which made an appreciable difference. I found this product and carefully read the description, and fully understood it wasn't a load cell like we see with the CSL pedals. But what I read made sense, and it seemed different enough from just a spring swap to make sense. Either way, I enjoyed your breakdown of the product and appreciate your video, even if I may not totally agree. Keep up the good work, I look forward to your review of this mod :)

[@KarlGosling]

I look forward to trying it also, as I said in the video the product looks great... it just isn't a load cell nor does it measure load in any way which is what I wasn't best pleased about.

[@mateerdei1275]

I understand your point. Although i don't have one of these myself i bet it's awesome. The difference between this and the original g29 "mod". This has much less travel. Pointing out how they decieve people is ok. They kinda do. But this is not the sort of publicity this mod needs. I'm definitely buying one myself once it's available again. I saw this on ebay and yeah first it seems like they are selling a loadcell. But anyone who knows anything about anything will figure out from the description what are they actually buying. You, Karl, probably won't have the chance to have a go with it since you have a more serious rig. But i would really like to see your opinion, after trying one out. Great video as always keep it up.

[@KarlGosling]

I would like to try one out for review purposes, it looks like a good brake mod, but I'm not going to spend money with people who rely on misleading customers... a good product will sell itself and honesty is far more important when building a good relationship with your customer base.

[@spearspearspear]

I really like this channel.

[@King_Ears]

Still getting used to my G29 brake pedal after getting my first wheel a few weeks ago. Is it normal for the brake pedal to creak occasionally under load? Gives the impression I'm pushing too hard on it and I'm breaking it. This is probably not the case at the moment and the spring & rubber combo are just going through a wearing in period, but I'm guessing you CAN put too much force through it and it will eventually break

[@KarlGosling]

The base is plastic so you'll get some creak and flex mate.

[@toxlaximus3297]

I would call this a mechanical load cell because it acts like a real brake, the pot is only connected to the red spring you get so much more resolution than the original crappy rubber chunk.

[@willielast]

Call it what you want, you're still wrong. It measures TRAVEL. Not load.

[@Skippy-id9yt]

@@willielast thats what sim racimg garage call it , so its a mechanical load cell emulator then ...how's that , ya rude prick

[@minimadgriff]

I think you may need to try one. I fitted one, I then went 3 seconds faster within 3 laps and then got even quicker, as I got used to the completey different pedal. It is leaps and bounds better than stock or any other spring mod for these pedals. I won't lie, I thought I was buying a load cell type product to begin with from the way it was advertised as I didn't read it fully/look into it enough. However this pedal is rock solid and feels more like a real pedal. It moves a few mm with minimal pressure, then it goes solid and doesn't move. The harder you press/the more pressure you put on it, the more braking you get. Is it a real load cell, no. Does it work well, feel solid and require more pressure to brake hard. Yes.

[@KarlGosling]

Exactly mate, it does look like a good spring mod and I would be interested to try one... but honesty is far more important, a good product sells itself, no need for the lies.

[@jimmiemitchell9980]

good to hear!

[@alexw1681]

Technically, it is an electromechanical load cell. It measures force by proxy of measuring position under elastic deformation of a spring, and potentiometers are/use transducers. A strain gauge load cell also measures position, just at a far smaller scale. An url can read anything, relevant or jibberish, so is excusable. This isn't false advertising, it's perfectly valid. I appreciate that to a layman it may be misinterpreted, but I think AXC have done their due diligence. Complaints aside, I look forward to your review. I personally use this in my G27 pedals and I wouldn't choose a "real" load cell like Ricmotech over this. My lap times improved, consistency is up, immersion boosted etc.

[@alexw1681]

Strain gauge load cell also use springs, despite many of your arguments. Simply the spring is much stiffer and moves much less, being the metal body, but the concept is identical.

[@KarlGosling]

I appreciate your comments mate, thanks. For me it's very simple, it either uses a load cell or it doesn't... it may feel and perform similar to a load cell (we'll see soon) but it's a potentiometer based spring mod and that is what it is. I just feel it should be made clearer (which it now has) as people have been ordering this thinking they are buying what you find in the higher end pedals (Fantatec, HVE, etc) when they are not.

[@Ivwin]

5:35 this is the one of the greatest jokes i have heard in a while xD

[@sirjumper]

Thank you! Doing good work here

[@KarlGosling]

Welcome!

[@lambmaki]

Its not a loadcell but you can modulate the brake pressure like a loadcell. I've bought one and i'm very happy with the result. How can you talk about a product if dont have one to review?

[@KarlGosling]

Watch the video again if you missed it the first time.

[@Mech]

do you know of any mods to use on the pedals?

[@anomalychasing5383]

You are a good man Karl.

[@paulgilmartin9936]

Hey guys. Agree. Dislike the dishonest approach they use. Have this setup on my old g25 pedals: Throttle and clutch use the Simulaje hall sensor kit instead of the potentiometers. It’s senses the position of the pedals via a magnetic position sensor. Works well for throttle and clutch. For the brake.. I use the Perfect Pedal. It’s a hydraulic cylinder that replaces the whole brake spring assembly. When you depress the pedal.. the hydraulic fluid in the cylinder moves down a tube to a pressure sensor mounted on a little circuit board. Also plugs straight into the Logitech wiring. Used it for a while in that configuration. Then.. got a Bodnar cable to connect the pedals independently of the wheel base. Been amazing!

[@KarlGosling]

I bet it feels great but just looked at the PP website and ouch that's expensive! $299!

[@ronsmith5572]

I hadn't seen this mod before now but it looks very much like what I did with my g27 brake pedal and now with my g29 brake pedal which is I added a short 1-1/4 in. 45 lb compression spring placed inside a 700 x 23c rubber tube to a 3 in. 20 lb. compression spring giving it a total of 65 lbs compression at full braking . I tested the amount of weight needed to get full braking with a weight set placed on the pedal and it took 65 lbs of weight to get full braking to register onscreen brake meter in game via Gran turismo not Iracing or Assetto Corsa online pc game . Was I trying to make it a load cell brake ? no , iv'e never had or used a load cell or personally seen one other than online videos . My reason for it was for the use of muscle memory instead of the stock spring with the rubber block piece insert which I also tried with my spring setup but didn't like so i removed it for now , but i do have some shorter softer round rubber that compresses when squeezed with a good amount of force that i could replace the stock rubber that came with the pedal originally but i haven't tested that yet . The stock pedal brake spring may be fine for those who like to race in their socks , I don't i race in my shoes I also added a 25 lb compression spring to both my throttle and clutch pedals so i can better modulate the throttle pressure needed and for more clutch resistance than the stock spring that came in the pedals .

[@mkuhlman77]

I bought this mod waiting for them to get parts to assemble and ship it. I got caught into their word game, but I'm going to stick with my order and give it a go.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah it still looks like a good mod and the wording has now been changed to be clearer so hopefully less people will think they are buying a load cell.

[@benf-t-uk.2447]

Was considering one of these but after watching this I won't be I may have a look at the gt eye spring

[@KarlGosling]

Watch my full review too, it's a well made product (now accurately described) but only useful for certain people. There's also a much cheaper and easier way to achieve very similar results too.

[@TheBoostedDoge]

can you review Ricmotech's load cell? I want to get it but I'm not about to drop $130 + shipping if it's not that great or it'll break within months of use

[@KarlGosling]

Honestly mate I can't justify spending the money on one for review and I doubt they would send me one for free as my channel is still pretty small sorry. But, if you can hold on I have an idea for a DIY load cell video in the future, I have all the parts I just haven't actually done it yet, there's no guarantee it's going to work but I'm pretty confident.

[@TheBoostedDoge]

@@KarlGosling Alright, that's fair enough. I'll be waiting for that video then :)

[@Skippy-id9yt]

@@TheBoostedDoge if you havnt bought yet its reviewed in Sim racing garage , all great praise for it , so it actually is better value for your money apparently it feels exactly like a load cell i nearly bought one today Im just flip flopping on hitting pay button is all

[@StolenCarsUk]

I like the honesty and i agree with everything you have said. The question is, is it any good? lol.. i very nearly brought this yesterday but decided to wait to see when they actually get some in. Although im glad i waited i am still very interested in if this is a good upgrade for the g29 pedals. £55 is a big difference to the £250 fanatec upgrade.. I got a great idea, you buy one so i don't have to and you can tell me if i should get it 😂😂 (Joke) great video tho Karl. Thanks

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate! lol I would like to try one out but I don't like giving money to companies who can't at least honestly market their products :(

[@StolenCarsUk]

@@KarlGosling yeah I agree with that and after watching this video I'm actually going to try the gteye spring you mention. I'm not in a position to get a new pedal set yet but I really want a better feel to the brake pedal because I feel like I'm losing a lot of time in the braking zones now.

[@danielturtle6994]

Stolen Cars Uk Mate, don’t bother with the GTeye spring. Yer it’s better than stock but not that much. I had it for a bit but bought this and for the money is way way better. I gave my GTeye spring away to a mate. It’s ok but that will cost you around £20 with delivery. You’re much much better off paying just over £50 for this believe me, I’ve owned both! 👍🏻

[@oCaRRiEDx]

Thank you

[@skyworx524]

Good info for the the non techi people Karl . I totally agree with you can't stand companies that try to mug us off and baffle with bullshit. Keep it real . Great Channel Keep em coming

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate.

[@Ash-vv7eu]

Did i chose a bad time to get into sim racing? i am searching for a logitech g27/g29 on ebay and they are all going for like £200+ have they always been around this price or have they gone up since lockdown? i need to take the plunge and get something asap should i be paying £200+ or is there a better alternative maybe?

[@CaptainScarlet1961]

For what it's worth I bought my G27 brand new from Logitech directly & it only cost me £250.00 back when they were fairly new, so £200.00 does seem a tad on the expensive side but have a look on fleabay 😉👍

[@charlielima]

Price seems to be high at the moment, I got a brand new G29 (with free shifter) for £179 in June 2019 - Seen it as low as £150 in December 2019 - Argos UK prices

[@King_Ears]

Prices are very high at the moment but I took the plunge regardless. Got my G29 from Amazon for £270 a few weeks back. Wanted one for years so thought fuck it I'm having it regardless of cost. You can check the previous price it's been available for here - pricespy.co.uk/games-consoles/game-controllers/gaming-steering-wheels-pedals/logitech-g29-driving-force-pc-ps3-ps4--p3199060/statistics

[@giventofly511]

Yeah I think the lockdown has bumped the prices up. I got a brand new G29 with shifter for £150 last Black Friday, from Currys PC World. Also, If your a console gamer, I would try to wait until the end of the year to make sure they will still be compatible with next gen consoles, especially if you plan on upgrading.

[@mrlang7818]

Apparently it's meant to resemble what a load cell feels like. I don't know no if that's true or not but I've just ordered one so I will update this comment with a review once it arrives 😉

[@KarlGosling]

A load cell doesn't feel like anything mate, they don't even move... I actually have a video demonstrating how they work compared to pots. What you feel is down to the springs and rubbers used during pedal travel. It's meant to resemble how a LC works, which it kind of does but also very much doesn't! lol I have a full review video too if you want to watch that.

[@StickyGeko]

Any update on the install and trial video @Karl

[@KarlGosling]

Tonight at 7pm! :)

[@StickyGeko]

@@KarlGosling boom

[@ChallengerSimRacing]

Love it! You're just telling it straight! The single dislike must be from AXC Sim! :)

[@axcsim]

It’s not actually!

[@ChallengerSimRacing]

@@axcsim Holy sh*t! It's you guys for real! Not a Logitech user, but you guys have to fix that sales description. Looks really bad. Thanks for being a good sport though! Made my day!

[@charlielima]

I've been using the Leo Bodnar USB cable for a few weeks now and liking it as it takes the grab out of the end of the brake, because it bypasses the Logitech firmware and also it makes the pedals 10-bit. (Sim Racing Garage, has a video about the cable)

[@KarlGosling]

I was going to mention that option in this video but forgot! lol

[@charlielima]

@@KarlGosling no worries. I would like to test the GTeye springs with the Bodnar cable, but been spending too much. I 3d printed two 8mm spacers for the clutch & throttle, left brake as is, seems the sweet spot for me for the G29

[@allglorytogod12]

@@charlielima I've been using the GTeye spring with the Bodnar cable for a few years now. While the added resolution of the cable is great for all pedals, the GTeye spring makes the larger difference for me. I am curious about the AXC mod though. I'll either try it or eventually get a set of Thrustmanster's LCM pedals.

[@charlielima]

@@allglorytogod12 Are you using the spring on the G29 or G920, if so are you using the rubber bung too?

[@paolotrabucco1863]

😂😂😂😂 freaking spot on ! Very true low cell isn’t a potentiometer ! By far! I mean I wouldn’t go down the route of changing my pedals of the G29 as I still think for a mid entry level sim controller it’s very very good ! I were thinking in doing some modes as everyone were complaining about those very good pedals, before I bought it then I thought...why ppl wanna make worse something reasonably good already.... 😂🤦🏻‍♂️ anyway Well said on this video ! Proper down to the meat and potato’s ! Without the gravy 👏😂

[@fengalf415]

Aww snap. Would I have seen this 3 weeks ealier I wouldn't have bought the TrueBrake. Been (customs included) 90€ against the wall. I guess I'll have to check out the CSL Elite then.

[@xxxthamasterxxx]

Could you refer me to that video you showed us how to adjust the break pedal? 7:25

[@xxxthamasterxxx]

New sub here!

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks mate, yes take a look here kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3iWgWpsg810rs0

[@xxxthamasterxxx]

@@KarlGosling thanks for the quick reply!

[@chilli-soup]

Theres nothing wrong with the brake unless your a wimpy kid. Jeez ive seen comments dating back yrs about it. The three pedals are top notch especially for the price bundle. If they are your price bracket either get used to it,do some cycling or go back to a your hand controller ffs lol (Edit.. Not directed at you Karl) Also you can calibrate the amount of pressure you press in racing game settings nowadays.

[@robertvuitton]

lol @ at the cycling.

[@Skippy-id9yt]

It appears to be an over engineered potentiometer , same thing just a different way?

[@KarlGosling]

Pretty much yes.

[@Rff9563]

Hi Rob just ordered mine do you know when will be getting it ? Order #2336]

[@axcsim]

Hi! Thanks for you order! If you want to get updates about your order this isn't the best place to ask! I won't be looking on this page after today because I'm much too busy. It's best to contact us by replying to your order email or here: www.axc-sim.com/contact-us/ The estimate for shipping of new pre-orders at the moment is early July. Things seem to be getting back to normal in our supply chain. We had a long awaited shipment of parts this morning that means we can get the first half of our pre-orders completed. There's more parts on the way. Once we are totally certain about dates for your order we will contact you with an update. Cheers Rob

[@wayneruppert6292]

Hey Carl I got a question for you I'm where it would you recommend getting potentiometers for a Logitech g920 because I can't buy them through Logitech at all anymore and I'd like your best suggestion company wise where to pick one up at so can you get back to me whenever you get a chance buddy appreciate all your hard work and your videos I love them all

[@KarlGosling]

I would look at RS or Farnell, you'll just need to make sure you buy identical ones if replacing the originals.

[@paulgilmartin9936]

Hey Wayne. No.. don’t get potentiometers. Get the Simulaje hall sensor kit. Plugs right in! No more potentiometers. Resolution is much better and they don’t get dirty. Have them myself and they work great!

[@wayneruppert6292]

Say that's my problem Kyle how do I figure out what the right one is can you help me with numbers or serial code or something for that so I can get the right one cuz I don't know much about it I gratefully appreciate all your time and all your knowledge on it thanks again buddy

[@alienxpres51]

Wayne Ruppert I have been searching myself and can’t find any for sale anywhere, what I have found out is that Logitech Pots are Logarithmic not linear, also it only has about 100 degree of travel not 360 like most available, have searched Hall Sensor Kits but no one seems to be continuing to sell them, not sure what options are left except to disassemble and clean them.

[@AC_Milan1899]

With these pedal upgrade £ you're coming close to a used Fanatec CSL Elite at current prices.

[@KarlGosling]

This is true.

[@oh.Em1ly]

Thank you.

[@KarlGosling]

No worries!

[@simracingwales4997]

Your a good man Karl thank you for teaching people this is a load of bollox mate. Before i bought my v3 pedals i nearly bought this mod last year due to this vid im so glad i didn't .

[@curleex3838]

I would LOVE to see a video on them so called PS4/PC handbrakes that are all over ebay, I ordered two from different places and both said for ps4 and pc, i even had to click the little box saying i want the ps4 t300 version, so I emailed them out of curiosity asking them are they sure these are compatible with the ps4 t300rs as the add clearly states and you can guess they both emailed me with a refund stating they are sorry but they are pc ONLY, that was months ago and the adds are still running on ebay, loads of them, trading standards needs a call..! I do winder tho if maybe they do actually work on ps4 because i had to buy a Sparco mod+ in the end for a whopping £250, them Chinese ones are only £70+ ish...! Wounder

[@KarlGosling]

They are all generic USB HID so PC only as far as I can tell mate.

[@Hereforfun441]

If having trouble braking at 100% calibrate it but don't push hard at 100% to calibrate, set it to about 70% and calibrate there. So when you push down at only 70% it's actually full brake 100%. Saves on buying mods etc. Let me know if helps. I'm on a real budget and games I play are running at 20fps. You're welcome. Donate to help me be amazing lol

[@KarlGosling]

Watch last Fridays video... lol

[@philipbristow8243]

Yes, people who have no knowledge will be conned... My first mod for racing was a Logitech and the foot-pedal was awful so I thought how could I mod this to make it better. At the time there was nothing around so I used one of these and made some simple brackets and it made a massive difference as you can turn the adjuster for a little pressure or a hard pressure even more than the default bad rubber design all you need to do is take out the rubber from the pedals, BTW in process of fitting a Pimax 5K headset into a helmet with cooling fans and speakers Here is the link to the adaptor. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Krace-CNC-Steering-Damper-Motorcycle-Linear-Stabilizer-Reversed-Safety-Control/373022958149?hash=item56d9e6a245:g:A-AAAOSweategv1z

[@KarlGosling]

That's looks just like the Fanatec damper for their brake and accelerator pedals.

[@philipbristow8243]

@@KarlGosling Yes very similar I use the fanatec V3 Pedals i would not go back to a conventional braking system now. BTW fitting the Pimax 5k into a helmet is a freeking nightmare.

[@sausagedodgersracing]

I purchased one of these and it stayed in for about 10 minutes, well made but I couldn’t push the pedal hard enough to get near full brake force there’s no noticeable movement in the pedal, how anyone could use it is beyond me. They did give a full refund no questions asked.

[@KarlGosling]

Some people do like pedals like that but I've got one coming so I'll see how it feels! :)

[@mauri3793]

Sorry mate, I couldn't get if this is a cell load or not LOL

[@KarlGosling]

lol I think it might be?!

[@mauri3793]

@@KarlGosling great video mate. Thumb up 👍🏻

[@BVDsGoneFishing]

Pandemic is over, Karl got a haircut.

[@KarlGosling]

hahaha I couldn't take it any more, it was far too long!!!

[@TheMicj38]

Did you ever get round to getting the X-Rocker gaming chair to do a comparison with the Playseat Challenge?

[@KarlGosling]

Not yet mate no sorry.

[@Nick20-100]

You kinda look like Andrew Bernard

[@LocostR1]

You can do a proper load cell conversion for less than the cost of one of those if you don't mind a bit of DIY, it's a bit more effort but can be done with a 3D printed piston base (get it printed online for ~£15-20) that holds a cheap ~£1-£2 load cell you can get on ebay github.com/GeekyDeaks/g29-load-cell The original Github includes a PCB design that inputs change from the load cell and outputs resistance to match the default potentiometer so it can be connected straight into the Logitech wiring meaning you retain Playstation support, but if you only want to use it on a PC you can do as I did and wire the entire pedal set to a LeoBodnar USB module that supports load cell input. That raises the cost by about £25 but makes the electronics side a lot more simple to do (see the comments/issues section, I posted my variation in there)

[@KarlGosling]

Thats excellent and almost identical to what I've been planning to do too! That 3D print will save me some trouble, thanks mate! :)

[@LocostR1]

@@KarlGosling big thanks to GeekyDeaks for documenting it all, I wouldn't know where to start with 3D printing! As mentioned have a look at the issues/comments section of you want to go the LeoBodnar route as I listed everything I did for my version in there, if you need any assistance give me a shout.

[@M18_CRYMORE]

A load cell, is that the same thing you'll find in scales?

[@oodmboo]

Digital scales? I've been thinking the same thing. I wonder what sort of signal comes off of one and what the wheel needs to see to work.

[@KarlGosling]

Yes exactly that.

[@TheAndertejker]

I fell for the loadcell thing because I'm stupid. Well let us hope it works good.

[@KarlGosling]

Don't feel bad mate, it was marketed to make you think that's what you were buying.

[@mpg500]

website has been updated, doesn't say load cell now.

[@KarlGosling]

Yeah I'm talking with AXC Sim about it now.

[@mpg500]

@@KarlGosling Hats off to them for listening.

[@DisabledParkHopper]

They changed the link address today!!!

[@KarlGosling]

Also some of the description, to be more honest and accurate :)

[@jinx20001]

nice video, i considered this when i had g29, glad i didnt fall for it.

[@Muffll.]

Im way more interessted why the tv´s in the background have a different middle color? they look like the same tv...

[@KarlGosling]

Well spotted mate! They are both 50" Plasma TV's from around 2012, the one on the left is Samsung and has a nice black screen and the one on the right is LG and as you have noticed has a grey screen which is very noticeable in dark scenes, much less dynamic range and contrast, very washed out blacks compared to the Samsung.

[@AC_Milan1899]

@@KarlGosling fellow plasma junkie here. Was gutted when I had to go with LCD/LED for my recent upgrade simply because no-one makes them anywhere. Nothing touches plasma.

[@kayspencer1830]

'reduces brake travel'. £54 to do what your adjustment does for nothing.

[@ccramit]

The worst part is, most G29 users are probably newbies that are just getting into sim racing. This is probably their first setup and they have little to no knowledge of hardware. They will probably fall for this crap.

[@robertvuitton]

I bought my Logitech G29 last year and used it less than a week since I was much better/faster with the controller. Decided to return back to GT5/6 to complete it this time with the steering wheel. Started searching around mods for the steering wheel and came across. Im glad I did that instead of wasting more than $600 on another steering wheel just to drive a damn digital car and because of people always talking negative about the Logitech G29. I pre-ordered this mod at the beginning of last month from their website, says I have to wait until july I think, lol. Wish I got it sooner. In April I bought one of those GT style rim for the Logitech G29 and it has been much better than the original rim and more fun. Since the rim its lighter you can feel the FFB more (Im using 4/10 in GT SPORTS) than before. Next and last(?) mod will be the inverted pedal kit and SIM-LAB TR1 chassis. Enjoy it Karl.

[@KarlGosling]

Do people always talk negative about the G29? I've only really came across positive comments for it's price point. But yeah with a couple of mods it's a good entry level setup, even out the box to be honest once you put some time in and get use to it.

[@robertvuitton]

​@@KarlGosling Yeah, when I first started watching reviews for it, many of the top comments I saw were saying that it is toy compared to the rest of the wheels and to get the Thrustmaster instead. However, I decided to check the reviews for that Thrustmaster wheel and many were reporting problems with that wheel. I saw the Logitech G29 on Amazon for around $240 dollars and took the risk. No regrets. I also see many pros from the sim racing community using it too.

[@aliniordachescu947]

Have been enjoying your videos but sorry mate, have to say that this one pissed me off. Not sure what you hoped you would achieve by doing this video. I guess in your mind you believe that you are helping people, but the thing is, what would have been helpful for everyone would have been a proper review. Let's see what they claim and how it holds up. The product has actually been released recently, and the page has been constantly updated. By design, it's mean to emulate a load cell, that is why you see the word "load" so many times in the description. As the product rolled out and he started receiving questions regarding how it works, is it a load cell, he started adding that info on the web page. The URL in case was created when he first launched it. Imagine if you would have bookmarked that URL and then he changes it to something else and then you get to an error page. If you don't like the fact that he describes it as an "electro-mechanical load cell", then your next video should be on memcanical keyboards. I bought the product months ago and have been very happy with it. The difference between this and the default brake is miles apart. You talk in your video how it is similar with Logitech's design, but I can assure you it feels nothing like it. The rubber block inside of it always felt odd to me, especially that you have a lot of travel and then hit something hard that didn't make any sense for my brain. When hitting against the rubber block, I could never be constant. I could never hit the same break level. The truebreak mod changes the break into something completely different, and the fact that it uses a different potentiometer makes a big difference. Because it has two springs, when you push on it at first, it feels easy and only the first spring compresses. Once you reach the transition buffer, applying more pressure will compress the second spring and start sending input to your game. The spring is linear and the most interesting part is that you don't get the stupid logitech curve at the end. I believe you also talked in a video about what happens in the original break when you remove the rubber block. With this mod, you can push the break with your foot and remember how hard you need to break based on the load/pressure you apply on the break, instead of remembering travel distance. You also talk about how a load cell registers the load you put on it and that it does not move. Load cell pedals use bumpers. Those bumpers still let the pedal move as you apply more pressure to the load cell. That is exactly what the second spring is doing for the truebrake mod. And the comparison of removing the springs to demonstrate that it will still be travel based to pushing on a load cell is weak at best. Even with a load cell, you couldn't just mount it to a metal plate and push your foot directly on it in order to break. You would get horrible results. The pedal designs are complex and require more though than just the sensor to create a certain experience. Like how would a load cell pedal feel if we would replace all the bumpers with metal cylinders? Would that make it a realistic experience even though it would still technically be a load cell? Do us all a favor and give us valuable information such as a real hand experience with a product, tell us about your impressions, let us know how it feels when compared to pedals that use a load cell. But don't just go bashing on a product because you read a couple of things and actually don't have any information about it. This is not good content. It's not hard to nitpick what is suitable for us to get a point across. But it also doesn't provide any value. Hope you take this as feedback and that it will help you create more quality content. In the meantime I will be a gatekeeper as well and call you out on your claims: "Exploring the TrueBrake Logitech G920 load cell brake pedal mod... and seeing what it really is!" You did no review, had no hands on approach, were unable to compare it to anything or benchmark it in any way, so you did not actually get to see what it is. All you did was draw conclusions based off of little information and rabmled on that it's marketed towards people looking for load cell upgrades and that you don't agree with how they market it. But you did nothing to touch on the actual product itself, except comparisons made on assumptions on your end.

[@KarlGosling]

Thanks for your comments mate. The whole point of the video is just to make sure people know what they are buying... a potentiometer based spring mod rather than a load cell conversion. If you scroll through the comments there are people here who have bought it thinking they were buying a load cell conversion, there's nothing worse than buying something only to find out it's not what you thought it was 😔 I can't comment or review how it feels or performs and I said this many times throughout the video, in fact I say that it looks very well designed, thought out and could well be the best mod available for Logitech pedals.... but that isn't even relevant, it doesn't matter how good it bad it is, that wasn't my point, my point was it needs to be sold and marketed clearly and honestly for what it is, not try to ride off the back of genuine load cell based pedals by implying that's what you're buying. I've spoken with AXC directly and they have now edited the URL and description to more accurately and honestly represent what it is which is great! Less people will buy it thinking its a load cell conversion and instead buy it for what it is! 🙂

[@bodinski100]

bummer..just bought one

[@KarlGosling]

It still looks like a great upgrade over stock, it's just not a load based mod so I'm sure you'll be happy.

[@bodinski100]

@@KarlGosling had a nice personal email from the manufacturer which was appreciated...i also appreciate your candid opinion. I also watch the other review vid with the bouncy brake deck...what appealed was the travel distance or lack of travel distance in relation to stock pedal...i will comment on here when i have given it a go.cheers

[@minimadgriff]

It's not a bummer, it is a good upgrade. I have one and would recommend it.

[@TechWhore]

I hear you trying to be a consumer advocate - but the way to do that responsibly is to FIRST contact the seller and get any clarification, and offer them the chance to correct any errors/mistakes. SECOND get hold of the part, perform a proper review in the interest of providing an informed opinion on the merit of the product. NEVER speculate about something without appropriate evidence.

[@KarlGosling]

I didn't speculate about the product at all (well actually I did, I speculated that it looked very well made and thought out)... I just walked us through the misleading website and description, the evidence is right there, it said it was a load cell at the beginning and then as you get further down the page it shows it isn't... this has now been edited to be more honest and accurate :)

[@davegee124]

and the first thing to do as an honest seller is not blatantly LIE about the product with misleading information,the onus is on them to get their own factual information correct not anyone else...one or 2 mistakes you can live with but to blatantly mention its a LC throughout the webpage it is intentionally misleading information..good to see they have changed the said information to be more factually correct now and looking forward to the reviews.

[@lukenederpel4087]

This video hasn’t help me decide if I want to buy it or not 😅

[@KarlGosling]

It does look like a good mod and I will be reviewing one a week Friday so we'll see!

[@ACCLongy01]

Just watched that guys video. What a crock of shit. So much flex in his pedal board, and he says his braking is more consistent. Lmao

[@KarlGosling]

It is pretty funny!

[@godvsevolutionmythgodvsevo1038]

Ahh misleading ads just so wrong

[@ryanwelburn5004]

You need to buy this and see what its all about. I think it will be s**t

[@KarlGosling]

I would like to try one, but I'm not spending £54 for the pleasure! lol

[@virtualpoison]

Hi Karl! I have a problem with my G920. If you could have look on my only video, which I just uploaded : kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZicd5SPZ5uhh7M , maybe you have an idea, what could be wrong with my wheel?

[@MetalMathiasTP]

Have u reached over 10 g920 pedal mods yet? Lmao. You confusing People more than Helping with all of those brake mod videos

[@dsakln]

This is not honest...

[@mariofiamingo5624]

How can you talk about a product that you haven't even tried ? Probably you are doing the marketing campaign for GTeye. This brake mod is the most real thing to a load cell , so before you do a review make sure you try the product, I will send the review once I do it 😉

[@KarlGosling]

It's not a review, if you missed the point of the video watch it again.

[@christopherteters6216]

vloging a review-bomb for a product you haven't tested and not even bothering to reach out to the responsive small business about it first? Yeah no thanks.

[@KarlGosling]

It's not a review, watch the first 5 mins again if you missed that... but a review is coming. And AXC Sim have now edited the site and description to be more honest and accurate which is much better! :)