Cancel Culture & The Death Of Caroline Flack | True Geordie Podcast

The death of Caroline Flack by suicide has made many people question the roles of the media and social media in today’s society. True Geordie & Laurence McKenna discuss the tragic passing of Caroline and how her career as the presenter of ITV’s Love Island shaped people’s perception of her.

[@pranaygupta5747]

Please do more podcasts with only the two of you, like the old days. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we love those.

[@robbo03]

Definitely

[@calh438]

Truth

[@callumwooden6956]

Yessss

[@CP-ke8yk]

👍

[@madammedusa6981]

He has a 2nd channel TG2 , I'm subbed to both I'm here for pocasts interviews (not the sport)

[@marcdepaoli4629]

I’m only an hour in now, but can confirm that loz is killing it on this one. Congrats mate, pretty inspiring to watch

[@declanmccarthy7395]

Marc De Paoli inspiring ?

[@jackiessquirrel5508]

Declan McCarthy probably because he’s actually well worded and knows what he’s talking about.

[@MacNE28]

The "internet values" piece at 9:00 from Lawrence was fantastic.

[@jimmyjames2620]

Trust me spitting pure gems

[@daveynwa7376]

@@jimmyjames2620 people feeding on misery isn't a new phenomenan . it was always going to transfer to internet. People in the public eye 👁️ have always had all this. It wss always gonna go this way snd it will never change

[@daveynwa7376]

@ its all garbage . it will never change. If anything it will get worse. People will always thrive on others misfortune. This pair of jokers will never change that. Go and check out their good friend jaakmates video about love island. Listen to what he says about her. It's all bollocks. Will never change. Also its not just unhappy people with bad lives that do it. Just another myth. People can be heartless. It's that simple. Will never change. Im successful and I prefer to read about a celebrity that's messed up rather than one that's been promoted, ok 👌 I don't hurl insults at them but I would read about it. To an extent we all have that streak. That jaakmate guy is a fucking idiot though

[@trapqueenrueb]

tg constantly putting out the best content. no cap

[@Adam-zh4hm]

Someone please tell me what 'no cap' means. I'm old

[@Junaid-ch3lz]

Adam Walmsley it means no lie

[@tylerryan046]

The king

[@Adam-zh4hm]

@@Junaid-ch3lz thanks man

[@ajmma499]

@@Adam-zh4hm Boomer

[@BelievingBruce]

Raising awareness of Mental Health and how we can help each other 👏👏👏

[@chef7532]

Big Bruce lad

[@martingertz1316]

Biology does not lie!

[@calh438]

Believing Bruce on another note mate enjoyed your input on the Knock Out the other night, nice one 🤙🏻

[@7EEVEE]

Always give Brian the big pat on the back for being a legend, just want to give a shout out to Lawrence for being such a level headed guy, combined you two are a super fresh breath of air in todays climate.

[@avacyn2000]

TEE VEE Couldn’t agree more mate

[@bySeeb]

What Laurence says at 9:00 is literally bang on

[@emmettramirez18]

Web yes

[@caraghallan4689]

LAURENCE MCKENNA TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 well done boys this is the right conversation that should be happening

[@-samir513]

True geordie is really becoming one of the greats

[@peterallen6336]

Laurence is just knocking this out of the park! He's talking so much sense and making so many great points.

[@jackbutler559]

Don’t buy the Sun Don’t click on the Sun Delete the Sun from your newsfeed

[@i_a7308]

Completely Agree Justice For The 96

[@rlfan3438]

@@Aditya-iz8rt Its not that they reported it, its the way and the extent to which they did.

[@louisehope3810]

This

[@adamdickinson8478]

You even saying this is giving them publicity. Painting them as the big bad wolf allows trolls and such to gravitate towards it because they know it gets reactions out of people. Any decent person knows the chequered history that newspaper have and the bastard that Rupert Murdoch is. I agree with your sentiment but by simply posting it anywhere is spreading their name. Best for everyone to just absolutely ignore it. Don’t say it’s good or bad. It’s obviously bad but it doesn’t need to be said anymore it’s clear.

[@jigsawkid95]

winter>summer

[@bobfin1991]

I love the true Geordie I think he’s gonna do great things but I don’t think Lawrence gets the praise he deserves. I’m taking nothing away from Brian but Lawrence is great too

[@PaulM28]

Agreed. Lawrence is on fire in this one - such a clear perspective and passion.

[@archieclements6783]

Lawrence is very underrated, but these two together just bounce of each other

[@DaniloBeirne]

At this point it doesn't feel like there can be one without the other. Both feeding off each others personality in the best way possible.

[@Zackla245]

Which makes a mockery when a certain person from aftv said Lawrence is talentless. Lawrence opinions can be divisive, but talentless he is not.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

I think the exact opposite I think Geordie brings up really valid points & Lawrence is more narrow minded or focused on only one line of thinking. They definitely compliment each other well to develop a wider perspective but also focus on similar takes on topics. A great duo for sure.

[@guilhermedavitoria4346]

I don’t think this level of sympathy would be given to an alleged male domestic abuser who was bullied on the internet and committed suicide.

[@killamanshank1672]

Guilherme Davitoria they mentioned that themselves

[@fj1649]

Guilherme Davitoria 👍

[@Andrewx4]

Guilherme Davitoria It's because feminists don't want equality and the responsibility for their actions that goes with it. They want power

[@Millie15071]

This is a weak point in my opinion, given that the type and the level of vilification thrown at her was influenced BY her being a woman. They’re incomparable scenarios.

[@CursedBeauty]

I think the issue is that yes she did wrong, but not in the way we were told. The blood on the bed was an old incident and something she did to herself, photos that never should’ve been released. She shouldn’t have hurt Lewis burton, god no way, but the media took it too far by lying

[@SonOfChelsea]

This is the most important podcast you've made. Thank you for having this discussion - especially on the exploitation of reality TV and cancel culture.

[@declanh2314]

As someone who's not a regular viewer It was a great podcast

[@Soggytent]

declan h get to be a regular viewer mate, realest channel on KZbin

[@sam.s4816]

@@Soggytent Second realest channel on KZbin after Viddal Riley! 😂

[@MurfsYT13]

From 8:10 Laurence sums up the Internet and how people have changed better than I’ve heard anyone say it.

[@maestro9141]

Respect for making this, tough subject

[@jessiebam9937]

Laurence smashed this. So eloquent and thorough. Love this from you two. Bravo 🙌🏼

[@dangreen6490]

Lawrence is a bright switched on bloke.

[@hisham7930]

c lk u are?

[@stephaniethom1057]

c lk why are you even here watching these “halfwits” ???

[@greg_greg_greg]

c lk who hurt you mate?

[@oscarloft6810]

Lawrence is a snow flake

[@HavokMania]

YES THE TRUE GEORDIE PODCAST

[@MisterBolticus]

Owen Broxk endure and survive

[@edhunt4115]

This was by far the BEST podcast I've seen on the Internet! Every point is well thought out and you both handled the situation in the best way! Fair play

[@aarongoodwin5761]

Shared this on facebook, this podcast is something serious that everyone should take considerations from when using social media. Great work TG

[@50018Resolution]

For me the most moving Podcast you have made, I never knew or met Caroline, I never really watched any of her shows, yet when I found out that she'd died I was devestated, I can't explain why, it's like I've lost a friend that I never knew, still hurts now, Caroline wasn't perfect, nobody is, but wherever she is right now I do hope that she has found peace, God bless you Caroline Xxx

[@thedoombar3714]

If people spent more time concentrating on their own life instead of other people's the world would be a better place.

[@alisigdeniz9286]

The Doom Bar Amen. winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners.

[@elliothunter3861]

nothing I want to click on more than a True Geordie podcast just feel so cosy listening to ur conversations and have done for years now

[@Joe-dz3ie]

Laurence the type of guy to be bang on with every single one of his points. A hero.

[@idontknow950]

Wow them talking about depression and how it really feels helps not make me feel alone and different in that experience rn

[@ciaratroy622]

Man, I know this is an old video and all, but when I'm feeling down or depressed, I come back to this, and listen to geordie and loz and it really reinforces in my mind all of their advice and their logic behind metal health and trying to deal with horrible situations. I dont think they realise how many times they have saved me personally from stupid idea and I just want to say thanks to both of the boys and that I hope they are both doing amazing and loving life, because they really make me start looking at my own life differently. Love all your videos, big fan of the channel, keep crushing it guys 💜

[@kdgadi]

I never comment on KZbin videos, but I have to say that you two did such a fantastic job of addressing and discussing such a sensitive and complex issue in a balanced way. I strive for content like this. Keep it up, lads!

[@ibrahimrehman8992]

The passion for this subject- you can see in loz’s eyes, very close to his heart💙

[@liamcooper553]

I understand why you would want to turn the comments off Brian however I feel like this would cause a disconnect from us (fans) and you. keep up the great content both of you are great

[@Rasmus_77]

FUT5Skillz not really you would need to think outside of the box

[@tomhardy116]

I think that's the reason he sometimes wants to turn off the comments, to get that disconnect. While it cuts off the positivity, it also gets rid of the negativity.

[@idogiedoi]

I am from Poland so idk much about the whole situation, but I always love the way you guys talk about mental health, public appearance and troubles that come with fame. Keep doing this podcast, because fans and youtube culture needs your duo.

[@idogiedoi]

@when you can bust a myth but not a nut that I hadn't known anything about Caroline Fleck before I watched this video fam. It's literally explained in the first sentence of my original comment

[@calh438]

when you can bust a myth but not a nut the guy literally explained why it was relevant. Why do you feel the need to be needlessly combative? Was his mentioning he is from Poland detrimental to your KZbin experience. Grow up.

[@joshhooper4147]

when you can bust a myth but not a nut because everyone in Britain knows about this, other countries don’t. Completely relevant.

[@cww3833]

That speech you made around 120 minutes in is absolutely brilliant. The way you can articulate how people can help themselves improve their mental state is inspirational, I hope you never stop making videos because you're a really positive creator in the youtube community 😁

[@chloephillips4959]

I realise that hundreds of people commit suicide everyday and that her celebrity status doesn't make it any more tragic. But I did feel deeply sorry for her. The blood we all saw on her bed (which to me didn't even look like blood) was hers from self harm, and her bf was adamant that she was innocent. The police wanted to make an example of her. Her career was over and her reputation in tatters. I'd certainly want to end my life if I was in that situation. I've never watched Love Island in my life but her suicide still had a profound effect on me

[@Jordo246]

In 2009 when I was 14 social media just starting to become what it's ended up as today but it wasn't yet quite as important as people view it now. Everyone I knew had a Facebook and even back then there was a lot of bullying and abuse between people at my school so I can't even imagine what it's like for kids who are growing up now to have so much pressure to have followers and likes. I have a younger cousin and now and again I see comments that these kids are making to eachother and it honestly worries me. If I ever have kids I'm not letting them anywhere near social media until I know they're mature enough to handle what having a public profile comes with because I know from experience it can seriously mess with your sense of reality especially when you're a teenager. All of these sites need to come with warnings about comments and abuse you can receive through them and should be age restricted, I know younger kids will still get on but it might stop at least few people from going through the same type of bullshit I did in school. Honestly the world would be better off without social media, no, the world was better off without it.

[@ytcrittical]

When smartphones first came out years ago I decided I never wanted to buy one and stuck to it. Best decision of my life.

[@metaljuana7538]

This podcast almost had me crying, you two spoke to me in a real way. Thank you for understanding mental health

[@mauk2009]

​@@johnboy6420 ​You're the type of toxic person on social media that they were referring to in this podcast, taking advantage of your anonymity to offend people online without futher consequences and feeling better about your pathetic life. Probably liked your own comment.

[@Surl9596]

jamie west Reported fuckhead

[@BlacklightSummerOfficial]

jamie west fuck off

[@adilchowdhury1309]

jamie west stfu you toxic sad fuck

[@annmarie3685]

I was balling all the way through 😭

[@gingerels]

This was such an important conversation to have, thank you both for using your platform to talk about this ❤️

[@olliegriffiths4107]

Gotta lot of love for Laurence 🙏🏼

[@olliegriffiths4107]

Real One

[@Mac-lo2cz]

thanks for continuously using your platform to discuss important topics like this. always cracking content. loz had some great points as always

[@user-hj9xz1fx3v]

Been waiting for this well done lads

[@vsmff81]

Thank you for such an insightful and thoughtful conversation about a very serious and real situation. This is my first time watching, and I really appreciate the ideas put up here.

[@mikebooth9545]

All you have to do is look at how she was treated compared to how Ant Mcpartlin was treated by the media regarding his problems.

[@interestedtechy6034]

This is true She wasn't even convicted. If she did abuse him she would have deserved punishment but it seems everybody had already made their mind up.

[@ashcame3192]

It's interesting though because a lot of people started talking about this after she died and then sending hate towards Ant Mcpartlin. I found it so strange that they seemed to be totally missing the point

[@ashcame3192]

@@interestedtechy6034 yeah definitely, there's a real attitude at the minute of guilty until proven innocent especially with certain types of alleged crimes. With that said, even if she had been found guilty I don't believe anyone deserves to be driven to suicide.

[@mikebooth9545]

Ash Came the same thing has happened with Jonny Depp with hate towards him. Now lots of info has come out showing that he was the victim.

[@jacksheppard1813]

@@interestedtechy6034 strange how roles reversed, people would be celebrating that a women beating man killed himself and was off the earth. Whereas in this situation people are brushing it off completely, oblivious entirely to the double standard.

[@LP_digital]

I love the way you guys see things and how you express opinions in topics others may not dare talk about.

[@justinaderytbhjk1836]

Need more of these podcasts. Keep it up!

[@shonabraybrook639]

This is so important for people to be honest and discuss these topics properly. You guys always tackle these situations in a reflective, personal and honest manner. Your best video. Thank you

[@badmansteve9175]

End of story she didn’t deserve to die or to go out that way, but if she was a man she’d be locked up or dead and would still be being slandered now.

[@DJfish021]

Badman Steve spot on mate

[@XxskysceneXx]

Badman Steve I disagree, the amount of men in the public eye that have abused women (Harvey Weinstein/Donald Trump just as an example) have still been able to live their lives freely and still are praised for their work and given awards despite their abuse allegations. Not saying all men but a lot of these men seem to just get away with it.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

@@XxskysceneXx harvey Weinstein just been sentenced and im assuming you're talking about the pussy grabbing thing, in which he actually doesn't say he grabs them, but rather those women around him will let them do anything to them. It's an actual fact men serve longer prison sentences than women for the same crime.

[@badmansteve9175]

Skyla Pearce you are talking about extremes here locking up Trump or Weinstein would be incredibly hard (given how long Weinstein has gotten away with it as evidence) whereas a TV presenter only known nationality within the UK, say Ant or Dec for this example (as both work for ITV like Caroline), would be considerably easier to arrest and lock up in a short time frame.

[@matthewjames3855]

@@XxskysceneXx stupid name stupid brain

[@mendo5459]

I think this was a well thought out and well articulated podcast which made me think about other points and perspectives I wouldn't have before. Good to listen to stuff on KZbin once in a while that has some actual substance and you can take something away from which is what this podcast, and many previous ones, has.

[@Redhazza02]

Laurence speaks absolute facts

[@clairelaneynorth89]

Best episode by far, well done for having a real conversation about this sensitive subject

[@meraki4383]

Suicide is like a bomb. Ticking, slowly towards an explosion. All cases of suicide that are published widely have similar supposed causes. Humans aren't built to be judged by millions. They're barely even built to be judged by a classroom. There's always a defuser in these situations but sometimes the clock speeds up too fast. We need to be more efficient in defusing instead of being so efficient in pressing the pedal on the timer... Great podcast boys. Good on you guys for speaking up.

[@adilchowdhury1309]

Robbi Rose who hurt you?

[@reelgesh51]

your point hits home but from an evolutionary standpoint yes we are meant to be judged by a class room as we are pack like creatures.... it's why we fear abandonment as much as we do sorry nerd ...

[@justdoit.86yearsago]

Humans aren’t made to obsess excessively over what others think, and that is unfortunately what social media has made people do.

[@meraki4383]

@Robbi Rose Complying to exactly what they were talking against on the video. I think you need to grow up and keep to yourself if all you want to do is spread negativity. Just sharing a point of view.

[@meraki4383]

@@justdoit.86yearsago to an extent yes. Ofc

[@nigelyoung1771]

You two are a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work.

[@waveykh9371]

Still watching but so far Laurence is on fire boys!

[@starhawck]

Lawrence's segment about the devaluation of value is bang on. He is the Ice to Brian's fire. Respect my man!

[@rhiannaparker707]

I'm so glad you guys have addressed this because I feel like true Geordie would have a big opinion on it. Love the podcast btw

[@lukepitrakou7222]

Lawrence is pretty intellectual you know. He really and genuinely has a good grasp

[@chlob3988]

'We build celebrities up to god-like figures, then tear them down just to prove they are mortal'

[@traceysmith2649]

This is such an important conversation that needed too be had I'm glad u guys covered this ty for been so real about a serious issue

[@Freyaoa]

Laurence was on fire with all his points👏🏼👏🏼

[@francomuza]

Great conversation and reflection on a tragedy. Gave me a lot to think about. Love this channel

[@mynameisray5396]

I honestly have never heard of Caroline Flack(that I can recall) but this subject overall hits home with me. Thank you for not sugar coating it and not doing any of the BS "let's talk but walk on eggshells the entire time" thing. I truly believe this is a subject that needs to be spoken about openly and honestly or what is even the point? Thank you both again.

[@DeadManVlog]

This conversation is immense. You're both so brave in your honesty and frankness. But, and the crucial element is how refreshing it is when people are as honest as you both are within this conversation and how many times you hit on the truth. Bravo, seriously. Please keep doing what you're doing you two. Hitting on the truth is like a checkmate. This video is important, as when the truth turns up - the lies to the contrary melt away like piss on snow. This isn't always the case, sure. But people who genuinely want to be objective, but are struggling with that, I think that videos like this can really help then see. Such a rare experience, listening to this one. I can't think of a single element I don't agree with. I extremely rarely comment on anything, but with this one I had to. Please keep unleashing your perspectives, you two, whenever you've done what you've clearly done prior to this video. It's powerful as fuck. Much respect.

[@valsantos8984]

Love to see just you two discussing this types of contents, if I may Netflix recently added the trials of Gabriel Fernandez ... what happened to him leaves a very iffy taste on your mouth and I'd love to hear both of your opinions about the documentary. Cheers.

[@ilionmmai5982]

So would I just watched it and wow man it hit me so hard how they could do so much damage to a innocent child I personally think she should have the death sentence aswel it was really rough for a while there thinking of Gab it was such a heart puller for me and anyone human

[@davidmarley9838]

What I love about these discussions, is that every answer Brian and Laurence give, always feels considered. I love the humour, but it is the answers to the points, that I really love, well thought out and articulated. Love 💕

[@lauriegale7836]

20:50 This point from Laurence is so well worded

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Best duo on KZbin as always delivers the realist conversations 💪🏿👊🏿💯...

[@alexcarr6499]

Lawrence is on top form in this one!

[@caoimheodonnell6831]

Absolutely delightful experience to sit and listen to two intelligent individuals discussing a very difficult situation in a truthful, yet sensitive manner. Very important.

[@lindsayg1983]

Excellent video lads, Caroline would be proud and thankful for your pretty accurate and heartfelt chat. ❤️

[@eveeybean5254]

Thank you, this was so interesting and informative. I've never listened to your podcast before, nor do I know the previous drama/going-on's, but based on this you've earned a subscriber.

[@dennzer]

True”I can crush a humans head with my bare hands”geordie

[@travis3430]

I thought only the mountain could do this...now there's 2!!

[@iangriffiths6047]

You handled this perfectly

[@mra2316]

Before you comment, put yourself in the other persons shoes. You never know how much weight people are carrying mentally, even the slightest things may make some people sink quicker and some people it may take longer. Not everyone has a thick skin.

[@troywalker2753]

the way these two talk about deep subjects like this is fantastic, so thought provoking. How am i meant to click on "Sidemen Tinder 2" now

[@coysking9646]

Big up to Brian for covering topics like this on his platform when he doesn’t need to

[@stephenhayes487]

I’m so happy this podcast is on trending, it should be shown to as many people as possible, great podcast again brian and Laurence, showed me some insight into what the hate is really like and how it takes over both the trolls and the person receiving it lives

[@markduchey8785]

Domestic violence is a serious issue and should be reported on.

[@reecewhitaker6685]

The fact you both address these issues both past and current in modern society is truly refreshing and if I may say so, what needs to be heard, Thankyou True Geordie and Lawrence McKenna.

[@zerowilde]

Literally no ads on this. We thank you.

[@harryrocke2762]

Zero Wilde there is an ad

[@nisala591]

I have 5 ads

[@zerowilde]

@@harryrocke2762 i see non rip.

[@zerowilde]

@@nisala591 i see 0 on my end 🤔 not sure why everyones seeing different amount. mine literally has 0 yellow bar midrols

[@lilbill5510]

Thank you Brian and Lawrence for contributing in making my day a little bit better by uploading this video. This is quality content and you two are quality people👍🏿

[@michaelprobert6197]

If you’re reading this Brian. Love ya ❤️

[@KayakDreadgirl]

Thank you for doing this ❤

[@jakeburton6023]

love this content, keep it up

[@louisehope3810]

This is the content needed for today’s society. Well done boys, obsessed with the pod and you’re both amazing in what you do. Can’t wait to see you guys get more recognition x

[@lewiscraig7430]

Do a pod on the Aaron hernandez doc

[@jackmcgrath7635]

Lewis Craig think they said they’ve made one or are going to make one on the kick off or knock out can’t remember which one

[@Samlewis4eva]

Jack McGrath Yh I think he said about doing it on the tg2 don’t fuck with cats podcast but hope he does watched all 3 episodes in one binge a few days ago

[@jackmcgrath7635]

Sam Lewis ye that’s it knew I heard him say it somewhere

[@cbtv_6538]

Watched all the way through over the last few days, very good conversation, thought provoking and a genuine care for people, good job guys

[@maisieking3464]

My one and only question is this: Where was all of this support from Caroline's 'fans' in the first place?

[@bartman01021988]

they had moved onto the new presenter of love island which is all that mattered to these brainwashed fans.a show that glorifies men treating women like pieces of meat and women who are expected to act slutty and then wonder why thats how the contestants are viewed after the show.these kind of shows need ending

[@maisieking3464]

@@bartman01021988 I totally agree with you but it is also the other way around. Some women in the villa play the same games as some of the men. Aside from that we cant blame one thing on peoples deaths. There are many factors that we do not know and we will never know because we arent them. We cannot go inside their heads

[@russianbot3002]

Mine was " who diss?"

[@UnchartedWalters06]

I feel no empathy for the idiots on Love Island, if they are so stupid to the point that they lack self awareness, it's all inevitable!

[@tomhardy116]

@@UnchartedWalters06 while I agree they're stupid and what not, that doesn't mean they deserve to effectively feel so bad to the point of not wanting to live (I practically detest the show and the kind of people who watch it and take part, bare that in mind). You sound like you haven't had much struggle and lack perspective.

[@isf1984]

The thing that makes you relatable is because you’re being yourself and being human lot of food for thought in this video when it comes to how we interact with social media keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@joeohalloran99]

In all fairness to ITV, as somebody who has worked for them, major pressure has been put on every reality production to have extensive after care with their contributors.

[@ElliotHackney]

Handled this difficult conversation amazingly. Some top points.

[@barry4649]

I think a lot of the abuse leveled toward her was for the fact that it was a domestic abuse case where a woman was abusing the man allegedly and in some people’s eyes would have thought that if it was a man in the same situation they would get harsher treatment from the media, but that doesn’t make it right, and I’m not condoning it, that’s just what I remember from when it happened

[@mathewhalloway2588]

It wasn’t “alleged” She was charged with assault by battery

[@tomhardy116]

@@mathewhalloway2588 charged, not convicted. You can really charge anyone with anything, it doesn't mean they are guilty as of yet. She hadn't even gone to her trial, so how could she have been proven guilty? So yes, it is alleged.

[@mathewhalloway2588]

@Tom Hardy The Crown Prosecution Service decided it would be in the public interest to prosecute her despite the victim redacting the charges of assault by battery. They did this because “The evidence is convincing enough that the reasonable competent person would not behave in the manor demonstrated in the evidence given to the CPS”. The case was only dismissed after she committed suicide because one must appear in court to be officially convicted. Therefore , the fact that the CPS decided to prosecute her despite her boyfriend redaction of testimony indicted that the evidence was utterly convincing since the CPS almost never Pursue cases were a redaction has been made by the victim. Furthermore, she was due in court 3 weeks ahead of her death the trial was to continue. So no it was not alleged if the CPS were going to prosecute despite the victims redaction of testimony.

[@tomhardy116]

@@mathewhalloway2588 they decided to carry on with the trial, yes? But she was not yet prosecuted, you don't have any trials after being prosecuted unless it is an appeal. The CPS saw it as something to follow through with, but that in itself means practically nothing. How the fuck is it 'to the public benefit' to put through to trial a case where a couple had a scuffle and one allegedly threw a lamp at the other? It's clear she is not a seriously violent person who will bow up at any minute and hurt someone of the public, it was a domestic situation that got out of hand... Also, the WITNESS, the man who was allegedly hit with the lamp by Caroline even denied the claim. The CPS makes mistakes, a lot. They drop cases which are strong, and push cases through the system which aren't (ofc this isn't a continuous lapse of judgement, it happens enough though to not just take their word for it). On that basis, neither your or I can say whether she would have won or loss that trial, which means by default the claims against her are mere accusations, not fact. Innocent until proven guilty... And honestly, the case is beyond weak. He suffered a minor injury, the blood in the room was said to be Caroline's, the witness (the man who was hit, which is a pretty strong fucking witness lol) himself has denied the claims... So yes, it is alleged. Unless you can show me where she was convicted? Because only then is she considered guilty.

[@leopardprints]

@@tomhardy116 It could have been case of that she was throwing things around the room and the lamp hit him on the head. In the 999 call, her boyfriend said 'She's cracked my skull' which she clearly hadn't. He'd know damn well if his skull was cracked, so no idea why he said that in the call. Maybe at the time he genuinely thought that, but doesn't mean it's true.

[@christopherthompson7062]

thank you for youre time guys, great work.

[@enzopepe4362]

Love your podcast

[@rm_ewing]

Been watching the pod for years. Always been a massive fan and I don’t usually comment but this is definitely one of my favourite podcasts yet. You guys touch upon some really important points. Fair play lads keep it up 💪🙌

[@everzen6837]

Domestic abuse isnt really a ‘mistake’ tho is it

[@Lebosh23435]

StarDroGeN Agreed. But the issue is her bf wasn’t pressing charges and she was never convicted of it. It was a media witch hunt against her to get her convicted.

[@everzen6837]

Eamonn Conroy yes but it happens alot with domestic abuse victims. They dont want to press charges against their abuser because of love, fear, not wanting them to get hurt.

[@alexrowatt6202]

Innocent until proven guilty, news tabloids and social warriors have it the other way round. Such a shame

[@NoName-wi2ww]

There's 2 sides to every story. Nobody knows what happens behind closed doors.

[@ajanifenty7203]

@@NoName-wi2ww let's be real though, she probably did it and that's why she killed herself, guilt mixed with shame is very powerful

[@jadie-maydredd210]

This was such a good podcast, I think you did the topic justice, it was worth sticking around til the end

[@KateCameron1]

Caroline already had pre-existing mental health problems with a history of depression. She should have been put on suicide watch and her case not made so public. I don’t think her death is exactly linked to being a host of Love Island but rather the way the media was tarnishing her name in the media. She couldn’t have fully came back from the court case even if she was found not guilty. It’s terrible that Caroline passed in such a way but I do also honestly think that if she was a man/person of colour she wouldn’t have gained as much sympathy after her death as she has done.

[@macbby_022main4]

We love you Geordie and Lawrence❤️ keep being yourselves, you both are the realest and that’s 1 of the many reasons that this channel is my favourite. I genuinely never miss and upload. Sending you both all the love❤️

[@tipyourtakeawaydriverengla1036]

I found out about her death on my way home from work, maybe half way home , it takes me just over an hour to get home . I cried the rest of my journey , I didnt know her only off the telly . but she came across to me as such a lovely girl always smiling always up for a laugh and could take it too , also a bit of a tomboy (seems like an archaic term now) .its such a shame she felt she had to take her own life , what a waste. Caroline Flack R.I.P.

[@babycakes5065]

This is why I will always prefer watching brian and and Lawrence have a conversation rather than other podcasts such as Impaulsive. They know exactly when to let eachother speak, know how to move on smoothly to a different point of view and even just have a raw real conversation without constantly trying to outsmart eachother

[@jimmyturner4909]

Love this episode R.I.P Caroline flack i watched Loved island from season 1 and she was a joy to watch on screen

[@TJD70]

I honestly believe that this the most honest, truthful and most important podcast of two have done