TrueNAS TrueCloud: Affordable Secure Cloud Backup With Storj

[@floriantthebault521]

Just when I'm setting up a remote TrueNAS just for that !!!!!! (well, not on Storj, but close enough!) Excellent video, as usual !

[@AdamsLab]

I backup my TrueNAS to the cloud but also to an Unraid system at a remote location. I'd never use Unraid in "production" because it slower than frozen molasses (I edit video off my TrueNAS), but it's perfect for a backup system because it lets me fill the system with a bunch of mixed size drives to create one big array to backup data to.

[@Johnwhodunit]

Thanks for a good video overview. One thing you didn't address is when someone might want to pick TrueNAS Cloud vs CloudSync Backup other than price. My current "production" off-site backup choice is Backblaze but because Cloud Sync Backup backs up at the file level, I can't include certain very large files that have very small changes. Including my Parallels VMs in Sync Backups resulted in 5+ hours of run time with my puny 120 Mbps uplink slammed the whole time so I only run it once a week. The same backup in TrueNAS Cloud takes just a few minutes so I can run up it as often as I like. As a side note, I find that if a backup fails for some reason (including a manual abort), a lock file gets left behind on Storj and I have to manually delete it using the Storj web interface.

[@XciterD]

I'm curious if it's actually possible to make decent profit with Storj, is it worth the time and effort to setup a node? It feels like it'll be hard to keep it profitable with these electricity prices...

[@dbhnyc]

What is the difference between TrueCloud and Cloud Sync? I have been using Cloud Sync for offsite backups to Backblaze. How is TrueCloud different?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Cloud Sync is more about sycning and uses rclone. TrueCloud is using restic and has more robust versions control.

[@papypom]

Storj looks decent, about twice the price of Hetzner, but you pay as you go (Hetzner you have the choice of 1, 5, 10 and 20 TB). Also no egress fees for Hetzner. Soooo ... I'm on a fence here 😁

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Yer match doesn't check out because based on the current Hetzner page they want $2 more per month per TB than Storj

[@MrSunDevil23]

Hey Tom, where’s the “Hire Me” portal where I can send you my resume for consideration if you are hiring??

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

For techs all the hiring is done via the CNWR web site.

[@YouZhou-y6z]

Would Storj properly back up a VM's zvol? EX: running a Ubuntu Server VM that has a data partition that's a zvol in Truenas, but is formatted inside the VM as an EXT4 partition- how would Storj handle that?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Storj is file backup, not block backup so that will not work.

[@YouZhou-y6z]

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS thanks for all the videos you make! In this case, would a local truenas ZFS replication of the entire raidz that contains the vm's zvol be a good backup strategy?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

@@YouZhou-y6z Yes

[@jarredw4404]

I can only create a new bucket. Existing buckets are greyed out even after I creat a new access key ensuring the created bucket was selected. edit: I already had a free account from Storj so I didn’t use the truenas link, which points to a different registration url.

[@lukaszmendel]

Similar here, existing bucket is greyed out I can only create a new one

[@jarredw4404]

@ the bucket creation option works within the cloud backup task setup. That bucket will then be selectable for additional cloud backup tasks.

[@2008mjb]

Since it isn't ZFS aware, does this still work for iSCSI storage hosted from TrueNAS Scale?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

No, it's for file not block storage.

[@vimaximus1360]

Storj vs Backblaze

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Stoj is cheaper for storing but does have egress fees, Backblaze is more expensive to store data but does not have egress fees.

[@MikeKirkReloaded]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Backblaze B2 does have egress fees. However they give you the initial 3x-capacity-as-traffic for free every month. So if you store 1TB you get the first 3TB egress free... then you start paying $10/TB.

[@MikeKirkReloaded]

Thank you for calling it Storj... and not the 'Stor-Jay' nonsense they're trying to retcon now.

[@samishiikihaku]

I like your content. But no to clouds. If I can't get my own hardware to be the cloud, not interested. My files are my own.

[@youtou252]

storj is not inexpensive, and also don't even think to make money with a self hosted nodes, the revenues are very bad

[@xephael3485]

RAID is not a backup but it could be 😜👍🍻

[@tolpacourt]

The left lane is for crime.

[@zapman2100]

considering the AI company StorJ just bought i bet they will be scanning and accessing your files soon to train its AI.

[@spoomo.o997]

How can they "scan" if they don't have the encryption key to the data? The end to end encryption process was clearly explained in the video. Having said that, it wouldn't be impossible if data were to be sent unencrypted using a different client, but this is outside the scope of this video.

[@unluggylounge674]

@@spoomo.o997 thats assuming we trust them when they say they don't have a way to decrypt it themselves. but there is an element of trust we have to have in all our cloud providers. cynical side of me would certainly not rule out that type of behavior though.

[@Rickety3263]

Isn’t it client side encrypted?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Yes

[@curtispavlovec]

Scary…

[@visghost]

storing your files on other people's servers is such a thing, TrueNAS is supposed to have its own storage and why make a backup on someone else's server, then why TrueNAS, I don't understand

[@epictetus8028]

Huh?

[@thrawnis]

Could you rephrase your post? Not sure what your point is.

[@unluggylounge674]

thats the differentiation between your own storage and a cloud backup. it all depends on your backup strategy, important part is that you do have a backup strategy. some people make a remote truenas server (maybe their friend or parents house) and backup to their own storage there, others backup to cloud services. some do not backup at all.

[@sku2007]

the password in the backup task encrypts the data, just use a good one and make sure you have it for disaster recovery

[@morosis82]

This is for when your TrueNAS storage dies a horrible death, like multiple drive failure, fire, water, etc. Raid is not a backup, if your backup is in the same building then it won't survive something that destroys that entire building.