TS2021 | Dark Tries... | GWR Hawksworth 8000 Class 'Cathedral'

[@jameswright7284]

​Genuinely a very interesting look at what I think would have been Hawksworth best design. The visuals are stunning the abridged history is interesting and I'll definitely treat myself to this stunning piece of DLC

[@DDJP]

Brilliant sztuff James :D

[@SearleD01]

Thank you for being part of getting this into Train Simulator, I got one today and it is amazing work from Kris.

[@robinforrest7680]

Excellent and quite believable. Lots of Stanier Princess influence in there! Which is the wheel turned full circle really since Stanier went to the LMS after working for the GWR...

[@NexusWorks924]

In my sodor AU Only 2 cathedrals were built In 1947. 8000. And 8001. They were both built As prototypes. 8000 had 2 cylinders while 8001 was experimentally fitted with 3. Although this was later removed when British railways Was formed. They were both withdrawn in 1966. But both are preserved 8000 is owned by the National railway museum. 8001 went to sodor. In 1967. And became part of the Vickerstown railway museum. If you're wondering why 2 were only built That's because British railways was not interested in building more. Because the cathedrals although were very powerful and efficient And reliable. We're actually quite expensive to build by the great Western.

[@Meengineer100]

Excellent production, really well made. I enjoy hearing the fictional tales you have for various locomotives. Another fine model from Caledonia Works, the bar raises with every be release!

[@bw_digitalphotography]

Excellent work mate! 😀 loving this video format, visuals are pretty stunning too

[@sauceboss4919]

This sounds beautiful and it sure looks the part too!

[@MrXbow4300]

I think another name that could be used for one of the engines is Norwich Cathedral (for obvious reasons)

[@georgepom328]

I have a hope that this appears but either it is a new build or its has been on display outside of Walschurch Cathedral and it had been decided to be restored to working order

[@DDJP]

Perhaps one day. We already have one new build to introduce!

[@kineticrail]

A very interesting concept and I really like the history you guys came up with. Until you mentioned it was looking at it thinking it had a similar look to a LMS princess

[@iaingarbison6986]

Tom those visuals were spectacular

[@DDJP]

Glad you liked 'em! Im going to try and use visuals like this more often where possible, they really did enhance the overall quality I think. Cheers, Iain!

[@Spud607]

@@DDJP give Mark Allatt a ring and see if he'll get the lads to build one for you! 😂😂

[@eliotreader8220]

@@DDJP so are there plans for the Dark railway to have one of these fictional engines?

[@Horsa-sr8oz]

This is a beautiful model. Not sure if what if models are a way to go. There are so many steam locos that actually existed and not modelled. The preview certainly inclines me to buy it. It is a shame that it does not come with a few scenarios though.

[@sodorflubbs5000]

I’m really sorry I missed this live. But I’m so glad you made this. It’s a beautiful engine and I love the backstory you’ve come up with. I wish these had been built as it would’ve look fantastic on the line. The production values for these are fantastic. Well done for all the hard work that has been done by Chris and the rest of the team. They look like real engines.

[@DDJP]

Thanks! Yeah it's been a real labour of love and alot of hard work, so Im really hoping everyone enjoyed the video and enjoys the engine when it's released! :D

[@SearleD01]

Very interesting and informative

[@MasterMoyle]

Would be bloody good if your model 8025 makes it into TDRS one day, but I doubt it very much unless there's a back story like Zeke found a set of blueprints or frames to build one.

[@DDJP]

Already got plans in place.

[@lbsc108gb5]

8025 is probably going to replace 257 Squadron come the 1990's since the locomotive arrived on the swanage railway in the year 1990 and is now currently on the spa valley railway. So maybe Zeke will sell 257 to a heritage society and will have 8025 built to help with the workload on the DR after 257's departure from the railway.

[@lbsc108gb5]

Is it normal that I really want to a Hornby LMS Princess Royal and a GWR King class, modify the Princess a little bit repaint it into a GWR livery, BR livery or a custom livery and give it new name plates and number to get a custom cathedral model or is it just me? Cause honestly I really love the Cathedrals' model. They are absolutely gorgeous.

[@STPaulCathedrel8013]

I have commissioned a model Cathedral Class for my railway. It will be 8013 St. Paul's Cathedral in experimental BR Apple Green

[@julianyknow6537]

ey up this is pretty cool :D scratch that, really cool! i liked the history part :D

[@DDJP]

Cheers! Probably one of my favourite parts to make as I tried something new, and it appears to have paid off!

[@julianyknow6537]

it was really good, amazing, really like genuinely interesting to see, like making up your own history on something that was planned and never created. i genuinely really think its cool, like i can't get over it, i love the concept :D

[@rogerredding5269]

Wow that's a awesome looking loco ☺️ had it been produced ?

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

you and your friends did a very good job with this engine. Will you be doing any other unbuilt engines? Like the Horwich Mallet 0-6-6-0 or the LNER's Gresley 4-8-2s?

[@maverick9530]

i have something that would be a pretty cool design. its a streamlined cathedral however the streamlining will be more similar to the A4 Pacific class and i think that this streamlined cathedral could reach upto 123 MPH. just a thought and idea.

[@specialfunnelstudios5523]

Wait does this mean Alfred from tales of new Wessex is going to die

[@war_department_j50_2]

What is the music that you use at the beginning? Because I really want to use it Time 0:52

[@OddHunter5504]

So we know that Tales of New Wessex has Cathedral Class locomotives does that mean Dark railway will get a Cathedral?

[@vincentberkan605]

You said there were only 20 engines built from 8000 - 8019? Right, when why does that engine at 9:24 have the number 8025?

[@Ace_Larrakin_Productions]

There are 20 engines in the main pack (No.8000 - 8019). However, the backers each received their own exclusive nameplate and number - hence 8025 'Walschurch Cathedral'.

[@vincentberkan605]

@@Ace_Larrakin_Productions Oh.

[@amansgrangard6208]

Not going to lie but then look like the princesse class.

[@arthurrytis6010]

So. Basically a Stannier Princess

[@isaacborthwick3903]

Soooooo, is 8025 going to be in TDRS or just known about in the lore?

[@darkdragon0083]

I'm curious about that as well.

[@telhudson863]

It is just possible that GWR would have built an express locomotive without the brass safety valve bonnet but it is far more likely that the design would have been altered before building the prototype. Also that ugly, redundant steam dome would never have remained. Just look at the real 1000 County class that was introduced after the fictional Cathedral class.

[@dannyh.s.1936]

Is 8025 going to be a future 77C character?

[@DDJP]

@@dannyh.s.1936 No. 8025 was scrapped in the 1960s. The DR owns one nameplate and one numberplate in the museum annex.

[@dannyh.s.1936]

@ oh that a shame.

[@RetroPro7101]

My cathedral won’t download, I know I’m doing it right bc I did the same for the 812 and 123 but it won’t go into train sim

[@bluebellsfan8704]

Awesome video! I love it!

[@stephensmith799]

Single Blast-Pipe(?), Inside Valve Gear, Inadequate Cab, No Cab Doors, Hand Fired, Driving Wheels too Large for the Stated Purpose of Climbing the Devon Banks Single Headed. This is a fantastic simulation of a locomotive which the GWR were wise not to build: a difficult-to-service and repair, fireman killer which would have been obsolete the day it left Swindon Works. The BR Standard Class 8 71000 was the correct solution was steam to have a future in Britain… and it looks a lot better than this Edwardian throw-back!

[@DDJP]

Oh.

[@shroomzed2947]

So your proposed solution was a locomotive reputably bad at steaming with abhorrent draughting and ashpan dimensions and design? The sketcthes of the Cathedrals definitely could have benefitted from improvements, but that’s exactly why they were just sketches that never went further. All the drawings out there are unofficial at best. I agree some GWR practices were quite perverse going into even the 1920s such as inside valve gear but I have to question your conclusion that it would have been a failure from the outset. In any case, I think a 4-8-0 would have been of more use for GWR conditions, following to an extent the excellent design of Chapelon’s 240P.

[@physiocrat7143]

@@shroomzed2947 The Duke of Gloucester would have achieved its full potential by 1956 if attention to had been given to what were teething troubles, in the event not sorted out until the latest overhaul. In an alternative history, a couple of hundred or more would have been built and would have come out of service around ten years ago. I read somewhere that the inside valve gear was lubricated by throwing a bucket of oil over the whole lot. Presumably it was the result of standardisation practices and a desire for backwards compatibility. There is a lot to be said for not changing the design of something which works.

[@shroomzed2947]

@@physiocrat7143 where does the alternate history predictions come from? Is there a book about it?

[@physiocrat7143]

@@shroomzed2947 You could get them out of a few glasses of wine.