This Library Turned my C into JavaScript wtf

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[@Eldin12-l3x]

"My main language is acutally Russian" - What? I thought it was assembly all along.

[@blackbeard3449]

Maybe russian is a flavour of assembly?

[@jacksonlevine9236]

"I don't speak English" - Tsoding

[@ilia_0001]

I laughed so hard at that hahaha

[@velnbur-live3399]

Makes content in English, refuses to elaborate further, ends the stream

[@konstantinsotov6251]

comparing how 95% of russians speak english to his english is like comparing a native english speaker to a coughing chinese baby I was always impressed at how good he was at english for the education we have here)

[@mirvin11]

95% of people in Russia don't speak English

[@seanhdka]

dude has no problem making a 3d software renderer in c but has to consult python for the calculation of 2024 - 12, gives me hope lmao

[@amuerta3041]

I remember rust developers answering newbie question of "can you bring rust, or any other high level functionality into C?" with such definitive no. Well well well, what is this stream all about?? 😅

[@lame_lexem]

ah yes void* everything much high level so functionality /s

[@alexeski4109]

Well c2x has auto so we have type inference now, can just replace void* with auto

[@mateusvmv]

@@alexeski4109 there is __auto_type one can implement async with future structs and coroutines, pretend a return is a yield same thing with iterators, pretend a return is yield and trust the compiler to inline all the bloat traits are also doable using vtables, mark the generic function as inline_always, and then create a function for each type the compiler will inline the vtable function calls in all cases, except in the case where the vtable is actually dynamic and the functions are unknown at compile time one can go on and on about all high level features, and since C is turing complete they're all doable if you're... imaginative enough

[@oserodal2702]

var aliasing to void* gave me a good chuckle.

[@arin3382]

1:59:05 wtf he needed python of that 💀

[@theevilcottonball]

It is a good commandline calculator. Also there was a number with four digits, that is way too complicated to calculate just in your head.

[@madbanana22]

​@@theevilcottonballdude stop acting like your brain is 8-bit

[@SamirPSalim-k4o]

@@theevilcottonball It is just the last two digits that change. That's easy.

[@samuelwaller4924]

​@@theevilcottonball emacs has a built in calculator that is even better

[@Kapendev]

Do you feel better by writing this?

[@channel11121]

Zozin can like anything if it's implemented in C.

[@blackhaze3856]

Next project: A superset for Cello called TSello

[@prostoprost9448]

so c++ if you dont like c++

[@RedStone576]

Now please turn my javascript into C

[@trejohnson7677]

its called static hermes.

[@illker.]

@@trejohnson7677or deno 2.0

[@ripmeep]

its called hatic stermes.

[@AK-vx4dy]

$ ? JQuery for C ? Cquery?

[@stefanalecu9532]

Believe it or not, cquery is actually a thing, it used to be the main language server for the C family before ccls and clangd made it obsolete

[@multicoloredwiz]

18:20 to smile and laugh 😃

[@antonpieper]

23:44 Tsodinagen

[@toybeaver]

I was searching for this comment

[@Kersich86]

yeah same 😂

[@veevee23]

Title got me 😅

[@hwstar9416]

I find using the clangd LSP to be helpful when trying to understand a macro. you can expand a specific call to see what the macro does.

[@dorukhanarslan96]

This is like early Objective C (which used a custom preprocessor for the Smalltalk syntax) but implemented purely using the C preprocessor. Really fun!

[@gahshunker]

This Cello looks like C# ripoff

[@SimGunther]

2:01:40 The reason it would take multiple files is because con"cat"enation of multiple files is the entire point of the cat utility. What we have here is just nl without the line numbers.

[@oserodal2702]

Rust runtime is big because it has stack unwind on panic, so if you want panics to behave like C runtime errors and not like C++ exceptions, you'd have to make panics abort the program.

[@pookiepats]

Didn’t know rust had a runtime wow

[@pookiepats]

May as well just use Go

[@anonymousalexander6005]

⁠@@pookiepatsC has a runtime too. “The more you know” (TM) 🤯 On a serious note (whether or not you’re being sarcastic), both can ‘disable’ the runtime in order to work for embedded systems, it’s not new or unique to Rust.

[@mattanimation]

the author of this is a boss, his work on Phase-Functioned Neural Networks for Character Control, is nuts along with his other work.

[@alexdefoc6919]

1:38:30 i have not heard of this type of documentation

[@mbarrio]

Lovecraftian C

[@zeusdeux]

Can confirm that hashtable in the title would have got me

[@samuraijosh1595]

Hey Zozing please make a video on dependent types. I think you're the best person to explain them.

[@aciddev_]

hi zozing! i have an idea: make a simple immediate gui library for raylib on some future streams? would be cool to see your approach!

[@MrPetzold123]

Funny thing about library sizes was in the 90s when people considered Delphi bloated when its statically linked graphical hello was about 500 kB (it ran rings around Visual Basic btw) 😂....Delphi was a gem.

[@stefanalecu9532]

Delphi is still a gem, but buried under so much shit by Embarcadero/Idera. Lazarus/Free Pascal are gems people should use more.

[@Caellyan]

26:00 A slice is a kind of fat pointer. Fat pointer is a normal pointer with some metadata attached. Type of metadata is known at compile time (from usage) so it's not stored in the pointer. But metadata content is stored right after (or before) the pointer. This is important disambiguation because the metadata can be anything - in Rust, slices are one, but also a `&dyn Trait` is effectively `(data_addr, vtable_addr_of_trait_impl_for_data)`. And you can of course hand-craft your own metadata in case you need more/other information.

[@MateuszAdamowski-k8b]

8:10 You say you don't perceive this as a usable. production-ready library but rather an experiment. Just saying that I had the same opinion about python back in 2000 when I first learned of it.

[@cryptonative]

Rust is 3-4mb just because it includes debug symbols

[@rogo7330]

How on earth your debug symbols are bigger than all the code that you write in text? It's just adds garbage and doesn't know wtf code is doing, that's why it includes a lot of shit.

[@araarathisyomama787]

So did Cello. It did -g in the makefile... didn't even -Os the thing

[@Aras14]

That is only the case in Debug mode (std is stripped by default since a few versions ago), a hello world on aarch64 is ~400K

[@cryptonative]

@@Aras14 a minimal function in wasm is 16kb if you remove the debug symbols

[@kira.herself]

@@rogo7330 who hurt you lol, it includes debug symbols of the standard library for clean backtraces etc.

[@Feavy]

28:05 😂😂

[@s4n7r0]

this is the first time im seeing zozin so excited about a project

[@anon_y_mousse]

This looks kind of neat. I'd still rather have more syntax than more code in certain cases, but this looks like a nice intermediary. However, someone mentioned your use of Python to calculate simple stuff and I've noticed it in other streams too. So I ask you, why not just use echo $(( )) with bash? Sometimes I don't even use echo and as long as the calculation doesn't form an existing program name I'm good. Occasionally I'll echo a calculation to `bc -ql` to get something a bit more complex, but simple decimal stuff I can just add zeroes to the numerator and use bash anyway.

[@ovi1326]

There are jit compilers for C or more broadly anything that compiles to llvm. The general purpose one is called lili and it's actually a part of llvm itself. There's also the orc api which allows you to integrate llvm's jit. Mesa uses that for compiling shaders in it's software backend.

[@To1ne]

I looked at this library in the past, I really enjoyed the playfulness of it. So much fun!

[@calabrianGuy]

waiting for a cello music player written in cello

[@kodingamedev]

I discovered this library in 2020; your reaction was the same as mine

[@asymptotic_sceptic]

Go figure why searching for austral I landed here

[@1apostoli]

when the guy asked if they could make a JIT 😭😭😭

[@carvas18]

there is no going back, the only way is through!

[@TheAndiKurz]

Another video another reauest to look at odin lan 😉

[@pemrograman-cepat3393]

I see C and I click 😊

[@glowiak3430]

11:10 Same. English spelling sucks.

[@philonouz]

It's an italian word 🤷‍♂

[@DomenicoPezzullo-ib9bg]

@@philonouz cello does not mean anything in italian

[@glowiak3430]

@@philonouz That's why it should be adapted. As 'chello', 'tshello' or even 'tschello'. Any of these at least suggests the correct pronunciation for those not knowing Italian.

[@philonouz]

@@DomenicoPezzullo-ib9bg Sorry if I was misunderstood. It's short for the italian word "violoncello".

[@philonouz]

@@glowiak3430 Words are not written prescribed on how it should be spoken, and vice-versa. There are a lot of weird pronunciations in English (e.g. "colonel", "Wocestershire", and other words that are borrowed from other languages like French) - and in many other languages as well - that require the speaker to know it before hand by common usage. You might read it "wrong", but someone eventually might correct you.

[@tianned]

Well I’m too dumb for this stream😢

[@Mozartenhimer]

36:30 why not compile it more!?

[@Siroitin]

Has he tried CUDA yet?

[@zeusdeux]

1:44:04 FISTING MENTIONED 💀

[@umcanalsemvidanoyoutube8840]

Macros scare me 💀

[@hubstrangers3450]

Thank you.....

[@rustedanvil6918]

17:15 the best way to do optimisations in rust would be "sudo rm -f /bin/rustc"

[@RustIsWinning]

Good one mr comedian! 🤡

[@ShawnShaddock]

Gleam next?

[@gusic4529]

ewww brother ewww

[@alexdefoc6919]

10:03 i'm sorry but i was watching at 2x speed and bursted laughing at him LOL

[@PreyMa]

Love it when Tsoding finds something he actually likes, rly wholesome episode :^)

[@everythingcouldbesimplify818]

Cello it's an italian word and this cello it's faster than lua jit in some cases amazing

[@Odod4000]

NEW STREAM! based library. I love your vids! 😀

[@aaronspeedy7780]

Yo I just saw this the other day. This is going to be a fun episode.

[@skope2055]

Great video! Really fun experience :)

[@wtfdoiputhere]

UNINSTALL THIS NOW I DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT IT

[@arunvishnuk3947]

Can your swift do that... Dabdabdab

[@nibrobb]

Tsoding getting new laptop :pog: 🎉

[@nathanpotter1334]

But... is it not just emcc wrapper??

[@VictorMasnikov]

Will this run in browser????

[@blu3260]

wtf

[@Momoyon]

57:45 why did you say thank you after sneezing?

[@aaabbb-gu5pz]

Спасибо!

[@oteuzay]

Bro, you need to record a video for Emacs and i3. I’ve never seen better configs!

[@iamdozerq]

Isnt i3 just default and emacs just in console mode? Look not so configured actually...

[@kedarshinde4216]

This looks straight out of my nightmare

[@mil_klover375]

C already had has tables look it up and also c has generics

[@xravenx24fe]

What tables are you referring to?

[@mil_klover375]

@@xravenx24fe it's in search.h

[@blamechickenman7434]

I can only see this useful for people who want assistance briefly transitioning from a higher-level language to C. But if it were me in such a scenario, I wouldn't use Cello for long, need to get used to writing C, which isn't difficult by any stretch.

[@rogo7330]

It's the opposite of assistance. The best way to learn C is to accept that program is running on a real computer and it has memory where everything have size. Also, C is high-level language, it does not translates 1-to-1 into machine code that you type, because there is no "variables" in reality.

[@Nova32x]

​@@rogo7330relative to other high level languages it is comparatively low level

[@blamechickenman7434]

@@rogo7330 Yeah, I agree, but if a newbie going from Javascript to C is struggling, I would definitely tell them to use Cello very very briefly, before actually writing proper C, that's just me though.

[@amj864]

Bro, can you get a 5-year-old laptop? Still light years behind but kind of a needed upgrade.

[@purpasmart_4831]

He's in Russia I think, getting a new computer there is nearly impossible.

[@amj864]

@@purpasmart_4831 I don't think so, talking from personal experience.

[@Willpowered-dude]

​@@purpasmart_4831no it's not. It's really easy to get a laptop in here

[@iamdozerq]

​@@purpasmart_4831 its so easy you want believe. He can buy new mouse at least.

[@diegoj4382]

But why?

[@aciddev_]

someone was bored, probably

[@imbalos]

Fun

[@noredine]

recreation

[@pookiepats]

Pointless question in web development world 😂

[@nicksidiropoulos802]

why not?

[@alexitosworld]

This reminds me so much to objective-c 😂 pretty cool project.

[@theevilcottonball]

I recommend -fno-strict-aliasing for this,