TSRR 201 struggling to move the T&P 610 into the Palestine shop - 1080p High Definition

[@eastcoastrailproductions]

Y'all give that mighty little 10 wheeler some credit she ain't big but she did it

[@GwZZ124]

little engines can do big things!

[@longhairwayne]

A 79 ton 4 6 0 steamer plus its own tender of 25 tones,,,, moving a massive 224 ton 2 10 4,not counting another 100 tons tender weight,I am awed that the little engine could.Nice show and some excellent work by the engineer.

[@michaelwood9922]

think about the beast 4014 pushing the 610 by himself + 4014 weighs 600 tons compared to 224

[@trainsbangsandautomobiles824]

On a grade...in a curve...

[@Zuiderzee-Lives]

Considering she's only getting sand on four drivers and she's maybe half the size of 610 at best, I think 201 did an excellent job.

[@mikepericolosi9386]

Indeed

[@peetre]

How could anyone not like "The little train that could!"

[@ATSF1927]

I became a Fireman then Engineer on the old Baldwin 4-8-4s for Santa Fe Railway in 1945, coal oil was the main oil we used, it was much easier to regulate the oil then was using an old banjo to shovel coal. I haven't seen a Cooke Steamer in a few years, and a great looking Lima. I miss the old steam locomotives :-)

[@davidbarnett9312]

Just visited the TSRR in July. The steam engine used was an Arizona Magma RR 2-8-0. I did not see these two locos. The steam engine pulled the Piney Woods Excursion leaving Palestine. An Alco pulled the Rusk excursion train. Great ride and a lot of fun, especially for the grandchildren. If you intend to take the excursion, pack a lunch or you can order box lunches when you make reservations because there's no place at either depot to eat. The layover is about an hour.

[@Kathrynyoder-x2j]

What a powerful old steamer. I still believe that the old steam trains are more reliable than today's trains.

[@JoeOutdoors]

That was cool! Glad to see steam still in use. Wish I lived closer but I still see a road trip to Texas.

[@mugsyjeff]

Long live steam locos

[@Froggyman145]

Long live the iron horses.

[@anthonynigri8585]

Steam loco iron horses shall live on forever

[@PhantomDrums917]

I love the old time trains. Brings me back to Butch Cassidy days and makes me long for a simpler time in America. Interesting and lovely video. Thanks for sharing.

[@elihew]

Love those old steam engines. They were predominant when I was a small boy (I'm now 70), and we used to always go down to the tracks behind our house and watch them pass by since we knew their schedules...

[@jordenmosley6079]

I can imagine the 201 complainimg about havong to do it and not the much stronger diesel train right by it when the 610 is in the shed.

[@JasonLeeDavis]

It's difficult to see in the video as the camera placement was just below the plane of the rail; however, the sander was being used during the move. It might have been helpful to have been able to apply the sand to multiple drivers rather than just the middle driver.

[@EcchiBANZAII-desu]

I think nostalgia just happened because I laughed with a shaky almost teary voice. Thank you. Steam trains has such charisma.

[@ianjperry6772]

Holy Rail-Slip, Batman.

[@Traindriver844]

Alot seems to have changed since I last visited the Texas State Railroad. I should probably visit it during my next spring break from school.

[@VictorianMaid99]

That was amazing. I just returned from a visit to the TSR however the Texan was not outside of the barn.

[@BCSchmerker]

Excellent illustration of the problems pushing a 200+-ton 2-10-4 Lima Super-Power and tender with a light ten-wheeler. The engineer on #201 must have really had to finesse the throttle with the shifter full aft.

[@tropicalfishswim]

I'm hearing the voice of Thomas the Tank Engine in my head. "Little engines can do big things"!

[@09JDCTrainMan]

I can imagine if the 201 were trying to push an Allegheny.

[@lennoxpurinton9059]

That'd be funny. This thing had a hell of a hard pushing this 2-10-4 and it was working hard. Wonder how heavy that 2-10-4 is?

[@09JDCTrainMan]

The 2-10-4 is like 729,166 lbs with it's tender. The Allegheny, without it's tender, weighs 778,000 lbs

[@armagonarmagon3980]

I thought that the Allegheny was much, much heavier.

[@09JDCTrainMan]

Armagon Armagon IDK about much, much heavier, but it is heavier, with a full tender, the Alleghenies weigh almost 1.2 milllion pounds.

[@up844productions8]

An Allegheny would be a stretch for the 300 let alone the 201 but he did an admirable job

[@Blogengezer]

Beautiful facilities above flood plain (reason for grade), infrastructure is first class. Great RV campground. Restored Station is excellent. Tourist events are ongoing and well attended, even The Polar Express. Texas is a great train state. Enthusiasm is high to maintain the past. Rusk, at other end of this section, is also nice. Jay Gould's private rail car 'Atlanta', is now a restored museum piece in Jefferson Texas, an 1800's Steamboat Port. Southeast Texas, a great retreat into the past.

[@bishopcorva]

Love the forward roll at 3:50 and the slide jolt at 3:55. Heavy weight on the roll is a bit hard to stop.

[@wwrr98]

I give this engineer credit. He knew what he was doing.

[@jdzonline5008]

It’s amazing seeing these locomotives having such a fast spin of a wheel

[@brianpacos4072]

At 3:54 you can see #201 being literally pushed along with her wheels locked due to the size of #610

[@s_rv.]

Why do people call trains a *"she?"*

[@s_rv.]

And I thought I was the only one who noticed that

[@mrs.dairycow62]

Brian Pacos can’t be good on the wheels

[@chazrobitaille]

The high pitch whine you hear is actually the dynamo, a steam powered generator used to provide electricity for the locomotive's lights. As far as fuel goes, oil is a major part of our history. Southern Pacific and Santa Fe pioneered the use of oil in steam locomotives starting in the mid 1890's, and became the dominant fuel source in the southwestern United States until the end of the steam era in the 1950's. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents!

[@Waleswales01]

Watching and listening to your film was like watching and listening to Pavarotti sing. Thank you for sharing

[@rechelieu]

I agree. We need to preserve these marvelous wonders...I love them...

[@samhouston4326]

Love me some Texas State Railroad! Hope to be there for the Christmas runs.

[@FishplateFilms]

Good patientence and control by the engineer!,top video.

[@CSXEMDTrainLover]

nice video and great catch of the small steam engine trying to push the big steam into the building.

[@EMDSD14R]

lima 2-10-4 #610 ..and an Alco MR 412 or RSX4 in the background....great just awsome

[@paulie2tanks]

Maybe they forgot to release the parking brake on the 610? Just reach under the dash and pull that little handle that says "Parking Brake Release." Works every time for me in my Ford Excursion, which is a few pounds lighter than the 610:)

[@trainmaster844]

Nice video! 201 was down on her knees trying to move 610 XD... Took her a while, but God Damnit, SHE DID IT! :)

[@dave6695]

Looked like David trying to move Goliath. Very interesting display of steam power.

[@princesslea20]

This train is the best thing to hit Palestine since sliced bread. They have fun themed train rides like the Polar Express around Christmas time, murder mystery train rides, etc. It is a ton of fun for the little ones and adults alike.

[@ejovadi]

Fantastic steam show. Thanks

[@grvolans]

nice catch of the engineer fighting to keep the wheels from slipping!!

[@SunsetConductor]

I believe that the diesel in the background is an Alco RSD-3. If I am not mistaken, it has A-1-A trucks on it. It was originally built for the US Military and the builder's plate probably has a different model number on it because the military has their own way of doing stuff like that. But it would be the equivalent of an RSD-3 that was sold to the common carriers..

[@colinfairhurst8949]

Engineer seemed to be doing an excellent job there !

[@JapaneseCityPopCat]

Way to go little engine! You did it! That's the power of a good ol' steam locomotive for you. :)

[@DirtTrackDave]

I don't know what it is about trains but young, old, and everything in between loves trains!

[@supermonkeyninjaman]

My first time seeing the 201 and I'm in love!

[@jodypearce9515]

The little kids book come to life! Just about needed a 2-8-2 for that move.

[@SunsetConductor]

English locomotives have vacuum brakes. American Locomotives use Air Brakes. The brakes were off the whole time. That section of track has a slight grade on it which is why the conductor had to remove a chain that was draped across the track and around the center drive wheel to keep it from rolling forward. Pushing back to the shop is up hill.

[@renegadeoflife87]

There were two controls on a steam engine. The throttle itself, adjusting steam pressure, and the valve cutoff. Changing the cutoff point of the engine allowed the engineer to exchange torque for steam economy, as the steam engine running with no cutoff has a constant torque at any RPM determined by its pressure. For situations like this you actually want to regulate the engine backwards- altering speed using cutoff and power using throttle, normally this is opposite.

[@ravenhawk6910]

Man I wish the 610 would run again. My grandpa has pictures of her on the Southern Railway in the 70's.

[@edd17sp74]

You can almost hear the engineer muttering under his breath “Come on, Baby, dig!”

[@Kleman09]

@ConrailJon theres a reason radios are used. Sometimes hand signals are not always understood, and most railroads these days dont use them.

[@RailyardProductions]

Wow! Looks like I need to plan a trip to Texas.

[@Countrytx]

Road the railroad 1 week before this was taken, nice video.

[@JasonLeeDavis]

Thanks Perry. This video was shot with a Canon HV20 HD Digital Video Camera at 1080p. Processing was done with Adobe Premiere Pro. -Jason

[@Xps3ubox60wii]

in all my years (3 years) of watching and following steam trains... i have never seen one slip this much before

[@vettebecker1]

Love it. The engineer really had to feather that throttle.

[@robajohnson]

Great to watch! Thanks for posting!

[@SMILEVIDEOTRAINS]

A most enjoyable piece of video. Thank you for sharing

[@stestepney]

Excellent vid thanks Steve....

[@RailPreserver2K]

Do they plan on returning the 610 to steam ?

[@milesmouse72]

I like ships the most, but I've always had a soft spot for trains, especially these old steam powered ones.

[@MrMikado282]

So lets take a look at how impressive this is. 1. The obvious difference in weight class. 2. 201 is a 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler, a locomotive design that wasn't really designed for freight/heavy lifting kind of work. 3. 201 is also a high wheeler, meaning she has tall wheels intended for higher speed passenger service unlike a freight locomotive which has shorter wheels for more pulling power. Can't wait to go back and see these wonderful locomotives again.

[@lehighandnewengland]

MrMikado282 most 2-10-4 locomotives were commonly used on freight service

[@LeonardFShanerJR]

Is there a slight grade going into the shop? Very nice video. Len Pottstown,PA.

[@kleetus92]

You don't mess with Texas.... either the 2-10-4 Class Texas or the State! I'd love to see B&LE's 643 Texas class get restored and run!

[@robertgift]

Well done video! Was any smoke exiting that chimney on the building? What is done to prevent damage to the cold locomotive from moving? What lubricates the pistons against their cylinder walls? Could there not be much damage? Thank you.

[@toddevans1]

This built America.

[@thomasweekley9209]

Steam built America

[@Trainman2101]

I wonder what the tracks and 201's wheels looked like after all that slipping. I'm surprised the tires didn't come off!

[@ConrailJon]

Incredible, they guy is standing right there, in full view of the engineer, and he's using his radio! Come on man, hand signals!

[@Fundgrube40]

Hello, really great!!! Greetings Fr. Wolf

[@LuckyTrucker1]

Hi there, I don't know what you guys are going on about the smaller loco moving the larger one. The only problem was traction, the bigger loco was no heavier than the trains it used to pull. Don't know if you are aware but back in the late 1920s the Great Western Railway back here in the UK sent 4-6-0 King George VI 6000 when new to the States for appraisal. The American engineers were amazed by how power was available from such a "small" loco. At the time KG VI was the most powerful engine in the UK , 40,000Ibs of tractive effort. So there you go size isn't everything.

[@bavarianbanshee]

40,000?! That's incredible!!

[@legorailroader844]

You do know we've had 2-8-0's, 4-6-2's, with more power then that right? The UK's locomotives were built for speed and performance, while our locomotives (The States) were built for strength and performance, but at the same time we've also have had ones built for speed, strength, and performance.

[@pux0rb]

I'm assuming the joints had not been greased in years and so the friction was enormous.

[@legorailroader844]

Actually they take very good care of 610 and service it once a month from what I've heard.

[@Midland1072Productions]

something tells me that the 610 ways a little more than the sunday train. what do you think.

[@up844productions8]

Great photo location right beside the action I didn't think the 201ceould be able to move the 610 but I'm wrong that engine is very strong

[@jacksmith9951]

Um, it can wear out the tires faster. I think that is a major component. And what part is cast iron that is sliding on the steel?

[@Arathor82]

A live recreation of "The Little Engine that Could" .

[@lincolnbarry1]

In HD this is so clear. What camera did you use to film this?

[@bradstrains]

My points of references are that with more speed the more HP they make(since the Berkshire), and after looking through some info on steamers it looks like for a road steam engine around 40-60 mph is there high HP level. I may be wrong with that. This was a branch of the discussion that originated from you saying you can't compare there HP.

[@bobcarbaugh5727]

Wonderful demo, despite the troubles. I see no sand being dispensed during the video and no evidence of sand dust, in the air or on the rail or the wheel treads of 201. The sand pipe(s) of 201 are not placed to facilitate traction in "reverse", (as FRA requires of modern locos) ahead of the "leading axle in the direction of movement", allowing the un-sanded 3rd axle to lose traction - game over. The engineer seems to have done a fine job controlling a "slippy" loco.

[@CrisisOnACanoe]

If you get hit with it straight from the cylinder, yes, but it quickly cools down and it doesn't harm you once it starts to rise in a cloud.

[@bradstrains]

It's a switcher so you're not going to get much continuous tractive effort out of it... it's geared for starting force not continuous so it only makes 36,000 lbs continuous. Do you know how much HP that 4-6-0 makes?

[@Espacado]

The big one doesn't have brakes applied. If you look closely, you can see the wheels turning. Imagine it like this. An 80 pound boy trying to push a big pickup truck while on an oil slick. Kind of. 201 is meant for a couple of passenger cars or freight cars I imagine. 610 weighs a lot. They are both pure steel and iron. 610 has a lot more in it than 201. And again, they don't have as much traction. Metal on metal. They still have the weight to push and pull some but not as much as the diesel locomotives now.

[@Jemalacane0]

I've seen an EMD SD60 slip worse than this.

[@renegadeoflife87]

Jemalacane0 Yeah, but you usually also see a SD60 in commercial service, with paying cargo behind it to pay for replacing the worn-out wheels. A museum piece steam locomotive hasn't that luxury, not only is the engine at risk of throwing a rod during excess slip, but the wheels used are not standardized and replacements oftentimes have to be custom fitted.

[@FS2K4Pilot]

Looked like the track wasn't perfectly level, plus it was curved. The rolling resistance of wheel on rail is such that that engine shouldn't otherwise have had that much trouble. I've seen three year old girls push four ton two axle roller bearing caboose trucks.

[@LNERfan]

Did somebody threaten to vandalize the engines featured in this video or something? I'm seeing a whole lot of rage but no source. What happened down here?

[@trueburrito]

And how do you want them to set the power reverse on a non operational display piece? Has to have something moving those gears and pistons....

[@JohnAdorjan]

Great video!

[@KiwiPowerNZ]

But when the world runs out of diesel we might need a few of these around! The beauty of these engines is they are so simple! They can potentially run on just about anything that burns and can boil water. They can be converted to liquid fuels, or just continue as solid fuel burners. If there is ever a time when the worlds run out of fossil fuel you could burn wood to tow carriages and you would never run out as long as you plant what you cut down.

[@femtoman2357]

Thanks for posting!!! Very cool!

[@indie1361]

How many engines do they have operating?

[@jacksmith9951]

When the engine slips, it loses traction. Lose of traction means that you can't pull anything. The most amount of power and traction you can apply to the rails is just before slipping. While the throttle and johnson bar/reverse bar do require some effort to move, it can be down with finesse. Jerking the throttle open and quickly closing it can limit the amount of steam going to the cylinders. They require some effort and definitely finesse and both can be done at the same time.

[@ConrailJon]

@Engineer5344 Most engineers I work with actually prefer hand signals. A radio message can get garbled, cut off or be misunderstood. A hand signal is, for the most part, absolute. This is assuming that the guy giving the signals actually knows what he's doing!

[@LycoValleyRRFan]

@CN413Fox I saw a very nice brass 610 in HO it was only like $2,000. I think it was at"Uncle Dave's Brass".

[@trainboy911]

@imagreatbigman the 610 is in good shape, but the line is to small to let her run on the line. 500 is practically the same size and they only run her every so often.

[@KieraCameron514]

Steam locomotives are awesome!

[@ziiofswe]

And I quote from the description: "Although it may be difficult to see in the video, sand was being applied liberally during the move." :P

[@bradstrains]

One big advantage of Diesel power was braking power, a GP-9 or GP-7 could be fitted with Dynamic brakes that'll stop the train much faster, that's why on modern runs of steam engines they'll bring a Dynamic brake equipped Diesel along and drag it around. All that Continuous TE is useless if you can't stop it.

[@eighthnotch_]

Yes and steam engines are notorious for wheel slip, it happens. That was my point. I think the comment I originally replied to, he thought that the wheel slip was "beating" the engine.

[@trainboy911]

@Strasburg1991 i think 610 is in relaltively good working order, but I think a a few things would need to be done to get her operational again.

[@nattters1]

love the whistle

[@bradstrains]

Not necessarily, I've seen a video of a Dash 8 stall in notch 8 without slipping at which point he had to back of the throttle or the traction motors would be damaged. Talking about starting TE, a Diesel still makes higher without over loading the motors.

[@SunsetConductor]

It is an uphill grade back into the shop. And the 610, by itself, weighs as much as 5 or 6 passenger cars fully loaded. That little Ten Wheeler is way too light of an engine for that job. A typical consist behind the 201 would only be 4 or 5 coaches.

[@AdmiralColdhead]

So sad. She was struggling. But she did it well.

[@robertgift]

Well done video! Why no steam-directing rods on #201? Thank you.

[@eothetrainmaster]

Do you mean Valve gear if so No. 201 appears to have stephenson valve gear Rather than walsherts valve gear

[@83226505]

amazing footage.

[@TheAreotrain]

From what I was told its pretty much worn out to the point that it the cost to fix it up cannot be justified. The cost estimate to restore is around the 4- 5 million dollar mark.