John thank you so much for making these videos. I really do like how your methods are perfecting. Thanks for bringing back the concrete, its honestly the best part if I had to choose one. Keep it up John, thank you again.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@sethpsoton3 жыл бұрын
I have been shooting this head for the past 3 months and it is by far the best head I have ever shot. It is a CRAZY good flier at long range.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear. Thank you Seth.
@Wspatch19873 жыл бұрын
how were you able to get them 3 months ago? i pre ordered the day they released for pre sale and still haven't gotten mine yet
@sethpsoton3 жыл бұрын
@@Wspatch1987 I was able to get an early release. But, I know lots of people from the original pre-sale have gotten theirs. We’re you in the second pre-sale when they opened it back up?
@Wspatch19873 жыл бұрын
Seth Poston I ordered the day of the original release but they have said they are having supply issues so I have been patient waiting for them to show up
@kurtjohnson22093 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as always John!!Well gotta say, glad I’m not waiting for these to show up. I’ll stick to Iron will SB and bishops
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kurt.
@cray-z7404 Жыл бұрын
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR THE ARCHERY HUNTERS ... MUCH GRATITUDE & MAY GOD GUIDE & BLESS YOU IN ALL YOU DO 🙏!!!
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thanks brother!
@innovativeoutdoorsman50673 жыл бұрын
that head will benefit from regrinding the cutting edge from 20 to 35 degrees.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@ThumbsMcThumb3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate them trying out the 20° angle. Do you think the sharpness will change if they were to go to 35°?
@innovativeoutdoorsman50673 жыл бұрын
@@ThumbsMcThumb not at all. IT can still be made sharper than a razor. I show it in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppzLiKFnZcmZnpI
@matt76cmich643 жыл бұрын
From the Tuffhead videos I watched on this head they were designed for Mule Deer and smaller animals. I like the idea of more rotation in the wound channel for hunting whitetail (like it was designed). Should hold up well on the deer I hunt too. Now do I want to buy some to test against my VPA single bevels?????? Thanks for the videos!
@TheDonsRiche3 жыл бұрын
@@matt76cmich64 thats what ive been wondering. Ive had a hard time getting my VPA SB as sharp as the tuffhead SB.
@ppha76653 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this review. Great review. Wished they had more weight options and a left bevel options.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@BarefootDave_3 жыл бұрын
Wojo doesn't like left bevel because it could unscrew theoretically
@jerryweatherman74683 жыл бұрын
Great review....NOT IMPRESSED with the head !!!
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry. Hopefully it will keep "evolving."
@nellietolb4203 жыл бұрын
Just bought two packs of annihilators because of your reviews. Keep up the awesome content. Shooting Solid Legends in 125 grain btw.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Nice. Good luck Nelson.
@blackwolf23713 жыл бұрын
Nice review from Tuffhead broadheads. I already have EVOLUTION THE TANK 200 GN. THREE BLADES and I waiting for EVOLUTION SINGLE BEVEL 300 GN. thanks and God bless you.🏹🏹
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother!
@jonathanrobinson17683 жыл бұрын
Good review. Really looking forward to the 3 blade.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jonathan.
@jesse45302 жыл бұрын
This head is very similar to a Cutthroat but has the option for bleeder blades which is a plus imo. So it's easier to sharpen than a Iron Will like a Cutthroat is but still has the bleeders like the Iron Will. A comparison between the 3 would be awesome!
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Yes, they were supposed to send me some of the new ones with the bleeders, but then never did. I even followed up. Hopefully they will in 2023.
@adampfeffer4722 Жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures curious to see the update for this! thank you!
@allenchason24733 жыл бұрын
After all the hype around this head I'm a little disappointed. But like you said, we're not hunting steel plates and cinder blocks. Good review as always, thank you and keep em coming. Can't wait to see the review on their 300 grain head! 👍
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am testing their 3 blade head as well. The bevel on these 2 blades is just too gradual, in my opinion, for durability.
@timbow503 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling this may be my new hog buster head. Thinking it will bust up bones mighty well. Impressed with the simple design and the angle of the cutting edge. 👍👍🐗
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim.
@mec5texan8033 жыл бұрын
Love the reviews... thanks for putting in the effort to post these excellent reviews. I wish it did a little better on the cinder block test, although I have always found concrete to be a little dry to the taste... thankfully the traditional version of these broadheads work admirably on hogs... which taste much better than that cinder block. All kidding aside, I do wish these had faired a little better against the concrete. Lifetime warranty is great though, and find a better company you won’t. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mikeguy96683 жыл бұрын
Bones ain't concrete. Bones have an elasticity to them where concrete does not. Shooting rocks and concrete blocks and shit is fucking stupid and not a good test at all. The only test for a broadhead is an animal period. I have taken a dozen deer with these heads and passed through every time, including going through the scapula, and haven't had one go passed 60 yards yet
@georgewashington1621 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeguy9668 While your point is true, but sometimes broadheads hit stones after going through, and it would be nice to have a broadhead that can be reused after hitting stone.
@mikeguy9668 Жыл бұрын
@@georgewashington1621 if you hit rocks then all you gotta do is resharpen. I've done it many times.
@dekutslive2 жыл бұрын
🥤🥱🍿Another great test, Ty!
@LuskArcheryAdventures2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ForeverwildMS3 жыл бұрын
i'm Glad you did this test. The Video from the manufacture show it to be ALOT tougher than your test. looks like tuffhead Over Promised - under delivered - not cool....
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the bevel is just too gradual, even with their steel. I'm hoping they can make it steeper. You can also use a Stay Sharp Guide 32 or 35 degree sharpener to make it that way yourself, and make it much stronger.
@philmcafee3433 жыл бұрын
Man kind of eye opening to see a qad exodus burry into the cinder block and then that result
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Well, like I said in the description--these heads were not hardened properly. I sent them back to Tuffhead and they tested them and found the error in the hardening process. So they changed that and now have the new, properly hardened head for sale.
@philmcafee3433 жыл бұрын
Oh, I missed that part somehow
@Fred-eg9sx3 жыл бұрын
Theoretically, rotation would reduce the penetration since the rotational force would consume the forward inertia. But I'm pretty sure the rotational forces are so little that it has negligible impact on forward inertia.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Exactly.
@PatJuhNL Жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I believe the rotation in combination with the bevel results in bone breaking properties... Compare it to a woodcleaving axe, when you give it a "flick" of the wrist blocks will split faster. I'm not sure though...
@chadhoretski95063 жыл бұрын
Could you tell us what the iron will wide score would be on your new sharpness test please.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I don't have any new ones to test at this point.
@hawkbabby3 жыл бұрын
Love the video. I will not be buying these heads. Nice to see that not all s7 tool steels are created equal
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very true. Structural integrity hinges on the type of steel and the geometry of the head. The 20 degree bevel and that pointed tip make it vulnerable on hard impacts, even if the S7 were of high quality.
@Bido115612 жыл бұрын
I just ordered these from arrow junkie yesterday? Do you think these could still be faulty or has the problem been corrected?
@LuskArcheryAdventures2 жыл бұрын
The hardening was said to be fixed after I did this video. I sent them back the heads and they had them tested and found there was a problem in the hardening process. They switched companies and have reportedly fixed the problem. They are making a new model and are planning to send me some to test as soon as they come out.
@lz35723 жыл бұрын
Good day. I am using the victory VAP 300 spine 150 scientific method 545 gr 20.4 % FOC I am interested in trying the bishop FoC King arrow . I hunt Whitetail and moose and Elk. I know you like them . But do you the cost difference is worth in switching. Thank you for your time
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
That's a good question. They are excellent in terms of straightness, FOC, and durability on hard impacts, due to their solid construction and thin walls. I've also used Easton Hexx with a 75 gr brass insert and 5" of an aluminum shaft epoxied over the end as a footer--and they were very durable as well. Is it worth it the cost? That's up to each person's individual budget I suppose. They're better, no doubt...but "worth it" is very relative.
@huntinfishinlovineveryday14243 жыл бұрын
I just received mine. Not as sharp as I thought they’d be. Is. Bess scale 225 able to cut hair? My new ones won’t
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. They've improved the hardening with that newer batch so hopefully they're much stronger.
@bbmopar3834b3 жыл бұрын
For Eastern white tail... with there be a noticeable difference between this head with a 20 deg angle and let's say an Ironwill sb ar 32 or 35 deg?
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The 32 or 35 will hold up better and rotate more effectively. Now, will that make a huge difference in a hunt--maybe or maybe not, but it does make a difference.
@harleyhunter68 Жыл бұрын
for 117$ for 3 broadheads made of s7 pretty disappointing. im pretty sure you’ve tested heads going for half that price that didnt tip curl or edge chatter like that. thorough test though as usual. great job brother
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Well, yeah, but as I noted in the vid description, they had a problem with their hardening process. My testing revealed that. They’ve since corrected that problem.
@jamieshelton3570 Жыл бұрын
Im looking for a single bevel, but i dont like the threads on the iron will, dont like the deep six threads, , can you help me out and looking for 150 grain or 200 grain
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
Check out the Evolution 2 or the new Croc by Crimson Talon.
@timbertrophies2 жыл бұрын
And chance on retest of these with proper hardness? Or perhaps I just didn’t see it
@LuskArcheryAdventures2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I spoke with them the other day. They're coming out with a new batch/design and I will be testing them as soon as they do.
@timbertrophies2 жыл бұрын
Would be awesome to see a match up of those plus the VPA and the bishop single bevels once you get them. I’m torn between those 3 at the moment
@bokkenwielderful3 жыл бұрын
"We don't hunt cinder blocks" i thought they just weren't in season yet. Downloaded that recipe for nothing. (Edit, want clarify, I agree that the concrete block test is a worthwhile test).
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Oh funny. You're the first person to ever share that. Seriously, a zero penetration test is a good test of a heads durability and structural integrity. I've had heads get more damaged on a hog's hip bone than on a cinder block. And this test prompted the owner of the company to examine these heads and found they were the incorrect hardness. There was a mistake in the hardening process; they were 48 Rockwell, and not the 55 that they're supposed to be.
@bokkenwielderful3 жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I apologize, I was not trying to be disparaging, I was going for adding a twist to the joke with the recipe bit. I will write more creative jokes in future. I very much agree the cinder block test is useful. I wish you the best, and appreciate the work you do.
@carypeaden41473 жыл бұрын
You told us to check out your score sheet for this broadhead. Where is that score sheet?
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
All of the score sheets are located at the end of the vid.
@jdvoss093 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a single bevel shootout!
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
I have two of those on my channel. Just search Single Bevel Lusk and they should come up.
@geoffreydaymond8513 жыл бұрын
Is there evidence at all to do with bevel on board head too helical direction. I mean can there be a positive helical to arrow spin and the opposite negative. Fighting direction of helical.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
It can affect speed, slightly. But honestly, it's so minimal, I don't worry about it at all.
@dgriswold933 жыл бұрын
Awesome broadhead review, but did you actually purchase those arrow shafts? Those are the most ludicrously priced arrows I’ve ever seen in my life.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Well, I did not purchase them; I'm good friends with the owner. We all have different budgets; for those who can afford them, they're top tier.
@officerfoxtrot36333 жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures what is the shaft and component weight of your FOC king? I considered them, but got kinda lost since they are very specialized compared to other arrows. If what I understand is right, their gpi is really low but they can handle heavy heads without their spine breaking down too badly. And you can add the inner rod to increase the spine again while maintaining weight forward if the spine is a little weak. With the Bishop components, what would a 300 grain head on a 29” shaft look like FOC and weight wise?
@Jculotta533 жыл бұрын
Looked like the arrows did not fly true in the concrete test. You would expect damage if not a 90 degree impact.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
That's the angle of the camera vs the angle of the arrow. Dead on impact. I sent the heads back to Tuffhead and they realized there was a flaw in their hardening process--these were much softer than they were supposed to be; the've since corrected it.
@michaelvstheworld36803 жыл бұрын
Bishop scientific method still the king, Cutthroat is the prince, and tuffhead is looking like the jester
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
That's funny. The new VPA is pretty impressive as well.
@garrettrowe79172 жыл бұрын
Until real testing is done on real animals by the Ashby foundation on Cape buffalo. Cutthroat doesn’t even make it to Africa Bc of the steep ferrel. Bishop underperformed for some reason, and tuffhead was the best penetrator beside the masaai, but since it’s stainless may experience more edge chatter. I’m glad animals don’t have cinderblocks in them haha
@jacobmoore68743 жыл бұрын
Also if it has a liftime warranty they should cover the point rollover.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yep. And after this test, they checked their heads and found they were flawed in their hardening process. So they have fixed the problem and they should be good to go now.
@baraksinz3 жыл бұрын
How do you think these compare to Cutthroats?
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Well, you can compare the test results and see :)
@Huntshape7502 жыл бұрын
Love your testing but the concrete needs to be swapped out with a shoulder bone. From a cow would be easier to compare for large game. Most of us want to know what these heads do with bone not a peice of man made material that we will never see in the backcountry. If these were made for concrete the would blow through them all the time.
@LuskArcheryAdventures2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I've used bones, but there are too many variables to provide comparable data points--density an vary, geometry, etc. I know it's more realistic, but it wold have very little value in comparing one head to another.
@jamesm32683 жыл бұрын
Seems the heat treat is completly off. S7 should not deform like this at all.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was surprised as well. But that 20 degree bevel and the way they make the tip, makes it pretty thin.
@grndpnder73 жыл бұрын
I think the Iron Will single bevel is a superior broadhead
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a great head. The new VPA single bevel test is coming soon as well.
@r1sabotage3 жыл бұрын
I wish you wouldn't explain how you test the heads in every video. The regular watchers start getting bored of hearing the same thing. At least put a time line so the regulates can skip
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I hear ya. I keep debating whether to add them or not. I get a lot of new people that are watching for the first time with a certain vid, so I include it for that reason. But I will take it out soon. I figured the repeat watchers could just fast forward those 4 minutes.
@r1sabotage3 жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures if you do add the testing explanation, just add a timeline in the description. I hate trying to figure out where to continue the video kind of ruins the experience.
@melissabarrett6813 жыл бұрын
Drop it... New views won't notice as they won't know your old methods
@cray-z7404 Жыл бұрын
@@r1sabotage you have alot to say and if you don't appreciate the time and effort he puts into these IMFORMATIONAL VIDEOS then that just shows how shallow minded u are and if u don't know how to fast forward & rewind maybe you should watch a video on that Einstein 😉
@OutdoorShellback3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually surprised how much it rolled from the cinder block! I might have had my expectations set too high for Tuffhead, but still a bit shocking.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was as well...which is why I did it twice.
@michiganwoodsman21993 жыл бұрын
We don't hunt cinder blocks. Love this guy but it's not a normal, nor fair test. Heads aren't made to do this nor should they be. Bones are nowhere near as dence as concrete....
@uvausmc3 жыл бұрын
@@michiganwoodsman2199 agree. I always find limited utility in the cinder block and steel plate "tests" but I do appreciate the fact that the results illustrate the durability of broadhead material and could be used to compare broadhead to broadhead, not necessarily a correlation to lethality.
@MindBodySoulOk3 жыл бұрын
Little bit of edge chatter? Looks like it's bent to crap.
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Well, the edge chattered, but the tip curled.
@emmvee1678 Жыл бұрын
Too bad you can't get them right now.
@LuskArcheryAdventures Жыл бұрын
I’m trying to get the new model to test.
@idahok9trapper4703 жыл бұрын
Iron will did so much better , the tips are crappy on these and so much for being reusable . Iron wills for the win .
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Well, they did discover that their hardening process was flawed after I did this test. They've since fixed it, so I expect they're much more durable now.
@dillanmckinley56663 жыл бұрын
Could you maybe start testing some other arrow to see if the anything else close to what you use 1 dozen of the arrows you use cost a new bow lmao
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dillan. The best arrow I found before the Bishop is the Easton Hexx, with a 75 gr brass insert. If you also epoxy a 5-7" of an aluminum shaft over the end of it, as a footer, it is incredibly strong.
@dillanmckinley56663 жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures ok thank ill give those a try i shot a 30in 73lb hoyt rx1 turbo with 28 in arrow do you think the 330 or the 260s been shooting carbon express maxima sd 250 the had to much flex for me
@lukelusk37713 жыл бұрын
Ummm
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Like I explained in the description, after this test, they asked me to send them the heads and found that their hardening process had been flawed. They have since corrected the problem.
@jasonsparks46013 жыл бұрын
Unfollowing because I have heard the test rundown in every video and it is getting old and redundant!
@innovativeoutdoorsman50673 жыл бұрын
Do you not have a slide bare and the ability to fast forward?????
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Sorry Jason. I get so many new viewers each time, that I included it for their sake. But I have planned to delete it soon. I did figure repeat watchers could just fast forward those 4 minutes.
@jasonsparks46013 жыл бұрын
@@innovativeoutdoorsman5067 yes but I don't have the patience to fast forward a bit only to find out I have to go further.....oops nope a little further.....I've already Lost intrest! KZbin is not tv! I can pick and choose who and what I watch that suits me,I was just leaving feedback so he knows what viewers like and don't like.
@jasonsparks46013 жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures you do you! I was just letting you know what and why I left......
@innovativeoutdoorsman50673 жыл бұрын
@@jasonsparks4601 Really? that impatient??? We are talking seconds. LOL First world problems.
@TyrantExterminator17763 жыл бұрын
So, DOES IRON WILL have some COMPETITION?
@LuskArcheryAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@TyrantExterminator17763 жыл бұрын
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for making these Videos it helps A lot of people out, And to answer my own question after the end result, No looks like IRON WILL are still the Leader in toughness.