Tupac: Overrated or Legend "Is 2Pac On Your Top 10 MC's Dead / Alive List?" (

[@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001]

2PAC is the greatest MC of all time that's the reason why we are still talking about him to this day......hands down the greatest EVER!!!!!!

[@BMOCTV]

+timotheus nakashona Good point!

[@PatrickEvans-x1v]

He got got message but on the technical mc level he hasn't got the skill

[@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001]

hey santa who do you consider to be the best then. I'm saying this because he touched so many lives and changed so many people's views of black America. Is that not enough to qualify him as the best there was, lest I forget why do you think they compare every rapper to him because he has become the benchmark in rap music.

[@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001]

***** sorry I don't follow!

[@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001]

***** sorry you can't speak for him let his music do that, 2Pac left an indelible mark on music in general and not just rap.

[@mikeprat1]

lyrics are word's. you confuse lyrics for word play. Pac is one of the greatest lyricist.

[@iggyrai3508]

😂

[@Peterborough_Guy_Slots]

“ Niggas Talk a lot of shit but that’s after I’m gone cuz they fear me in a physical forum “.

[@samuelekhaeyemhe5478]

what did the lyricists do with their gift? you can't compare Tupac with any Mc ever... what is lyricism? he made the 7day theory album witin 3days... I will not be shocked tomorow when people will say justin bieber is greater than michael jackson, I really think i am in another planet right now ( rick ross) ... listen to dear mama, do for love, hail mary, changes, baby don;t cry and hit them up before you comment on this statements.... name six songs of any rapper that can match up to these pac songs ...sincerely its an insult to compare pac with any other rapper dead or alive

[@thakingofdetroit]

2pac said "Crack came and it was strange how it rocked us".....fuck what you talking about...those are not only bars...but impactful bars at that.

[@Christian900]

Tupac touch ppl with his words , bars are just metaphors, Pac rapped real rap, deep , insight rap

[@BMOCTV]

Agreed! It just depends on what people like & what they gravitate to!

[@lilwaltallday5223]

lets not act like pac has ZERO LYRICAL SONGS!!!!!!! QUOTE THIS RIGHT HERE "RAP COMES FROM POETRY" ARE ALL POETRY LYRICAL????? NO!!!!! troublesome'96 lyrical, all eyes on me (song) lyrical, panther power lyrical, if i die tonight, Ambitionz az a ridah, bomb first, old school, life of an outlaw, cant c me etc etc I mean the list goes on!!! he came in the game at 19/20 and died at 25... went to jail multiple times... served 11 months in prison during his prime in 95 (making him the first artist to have a number 1 album "me against the world" while serving a prison sentence) came back and created the 6th best album yall was talking about at 2:54 all eyes on me... if you look at it he had about 3 1/2 years to make all those songs and he was just getting started before he died... not to mention we still have a lot of unreleased unheard of songs from him

[@BMOCTV]

+lilwaltallday Good points!!!

[@reedpullins2288]

lyrical.. dude life as an outlaw street fame, who do you believe in, rebal of the underground and many other songs!

[@johnsondailysports1341]

The 7 day theory album was goos lyrically for sure. But still not better than LUPE, JADA ETC

[@skullbuster98]

You gotta understand this. During 1995 and 1996, 2Pac was the #1 Rapper in the Country. He died on top.

[@fruitpac]

Pac was not the number one in 95 or 96. Having a number one album does not make you the number one rapper. Fugees out sold Pac in 96 so get your facts straight

[@mobmeansmobmobmeansmob2125]

He is the whole top 10,is it even a debate! He lived and went out like a G!! And still can’t be touched 👊🏾

[@jcsugurl513]

I know I'm super late, but I had to mentally prepare myself before watching this video because I was born on Team 2PAC & I get crazy when people talk about him negatively. Shout out to DeShannus & Drew for properly defending 2PAC!!!! That's all I'm going to say.

[@BMOCTV]

LOL!

[@TopNotchStoner]

Pac = GOAT Fuck a list and fuck a debate.

[@BMOCTV]

Uhhhh...okayyy

[@smithswoodrookie]

45:00??? Pac was a ‘marginal rapper’?? He had me against the world at Number #1 while I’m jail before he was even on death row what are you talking about

[@Jayrebel225]

Let's get something straight when biggie came out pac already did juice, had an album out and was a household name around the nation biggie was on top in new York only

[@fruitpac]

BIG is also a year younger. And Pac's first 2 albums are not as acclaimed as Ready To Die

[@IceManLikeGervin]

@@fruitpac Pac's first two albums contain classic songs like: Brenda's Got A Baby, If My Homie Calls, Trapped, I Get Around, Young Black Male, Holler If Ya Hear Me, Keep Ya Head Up, The Streetz R Deathrow, Papa'z Song and Representin' 93...

[@fruitpac]

@@IceManLikeGervin And my point is still valid. And half of the songs you listed are not classics

[@IceManLikeGervin]

@@fruitpac I disagree.

[@FireIceTalon]

Tupac is the most influential and iconic rapper ever. Actually scratch that, he’s one of the most iconic and important musicians of the ENTIRE 20th Century. This shouldn’t even be a discussion. Anyone saying Pac isn’t lyrical is tone deaf. They’re literally teaching COLLEGE COURSES on this man’s lyrics. Tupac is a legend, this isnt even up for debate.

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

Since you lie die goodbye - Against All Odds. wackest verse ever.👎👎👎👎 Straight garbage

[@lonzodreyella]

ten m.cs who are better than 2pac, nas, rakim, ice cube, melle mel, chuck d, kool g rap, redman, krs one, biggie, big daddy kane,

[@chrislacy1990]

After hearing everyone's take on it, I believe it comes down to the difference between "best" and "favorite." The "best" usually includes records of enormous technical and/or cultural impact. A "favorite” usually leans towards your own personal taste. With that said, is Tupac one of the "best artists" ever? Yes, based on his record sales (approx. 29 million albums sold worldwide), induction into the National Recording Registry, and overall impact in entertainment at the young age of 25. Is Tupac one of my "favorite artists" ever? Yes, because he was at his peak artistically during my most impressionable years growing up. While I prefer to listen to other emcees over Tupac lyrically, I enjoy listening to his work because of his emotional depth.

[@BMOCTV]

+Chris Lacy Great breakdown & that pretty much was our conclusion on the topic. Thanks for sharing!

[@chrislacy1990]

+BMOCTV Appreciate you guys for tackling controversial topics. When, if at all, will you guys discuss who the next big artist will be? Reason why I ask is because I feel Janelle Monáe has the potential to "move the needle" in pop culture. Your thoughts?

[@BMOCTV]

+Chris Lacy we actually have a topic like that coming in a few weeks. I love Janelle & she's one of my personal favorites. I don't know how much bigger she needs to become in mainstream b/c she already has a solid fan base but I support her movement. Salute to you!

[@chrislacy1990]

BMOCTV Awesome! Can't wait to hear you guys chop it up. Salute to you guys for digging deeper than the casual fan.

[@BMOCTV]

+Chris Lacy No problem & thanks for the feedback!

[@samuelekhaeyemhe5478]

I am kinda rushing through these comments so i apologise if i don't spell correctly... see i grew up in Africa in the 90s so I watched Rap and Hip hop grew to this state in time... see we loved RAP SONGs because Tupac brought it to us, I rememebr in my highschool days everybody was talking and listening to tupac, even before CDs got to Africa, we were listening and anticipating pac songs. Tupac had no particular type of style, he switches style, can rap and sing. Biggie on the hand has style similar to Heavy D. Tupac died about 20yrs AGO but he made more hit songs than Nas, or biggie did. . . name nas albums and name pac albums then you will see that he stand side by side with nas now despite the fact he died 20yrs ago... anybody that says Pac is not the greatest Rapper of all time, either you were not alive when pac held the mic or you don't know what rap is... even hail mary by pac is still banging the club right now. name biggie sonmg they still play in the clubs...

[@TheRealDeadFace]

LEGEND. Pac kept it real, and the fakes didn't like that. Only a hating fake ass individual would say he's overrated.

[@BMOCTV]

+Luis Carrasco I appreciate your love for Pac but why can't someone else have a real opinion about what they think? If someone were to just agree that Pac was not overrated just b/c everyone else did wouldn't that be fake?

[@anayosamuel1307]

I don’t like it when people disrespect PACs legacy,overrated are you fucking kidding me.

[@JosephS-dj9os]

Enemies Hennessy penitentiary 😂

[@kljsings6855]

Tupac was definitely a better lyricists than biggie

[@BigScewleo]

No he wasn't.

[@305dagoat4]

Fight Me! Yes he was

[@stylechyld]

When you disrespect 2pac you are not hip hop fan, you are a troll. 2pac was a messenger of the streets ... a street poet. People need to educate themselves and stop listening to this mumble rap. Pac was a book worm alot of artists like eminem look up and idolize pac.

[@allisonblong6278]

This was a great debate! I loved hearing all the different views from so many intelligent music lovers. I personally think he's a legend who has achieved so many awards and world wide recognition.

[@BMOCTV]

Thanks & yep his work is def legend status!

[@larryconnerjr1835]

Tupac wasn’t the greatest lyricist but he had the greatest content of any rapper that I’ve ever heard and no other rapper comes close

[@fruitpac]

Clearly you have heard any Public Enemy or Ice Cube's album.

[@oldschoolthugthug5885]

the biggest thug of all tym speaking here. all the way from africa.let me break something out to u americans real quick.WE (as in like the rest of the world) are so tired of hearing u guys comparing Biggie with 2 Pac. let me tell u a FACT! 2 PAC is a legend. and BIG is not. a legend is someone who changed AND touched the world with his work. BIG is nothing but just a rapper.i'm not saying he was wack. he was good. but 2 Pac is more than just a rapper who can never be compared with any other rapper.he is better compared with non rappers like Bob Marley.why?becoz 2 Pac's music is more famous than 2 Pac himself.evryone in Africa listens to Dear Mama.a child or an adult.as well as changes,keep your head up AND MANY OTHERS.some Wont even know the owner of the song.but u'll hear someone saying "i really like this song".all over the streets u'll see the name 2Pac all over the walls and shit.u get to jails,all inmates tatoo themselves 2 Pac.and he inspired thousands of musicians as well.i'm just trying to show u how great tu pac was. and its true that the russian president said he hates everything about america except 2 Pac.to Africa and the rest of the world except u guys; BIGGIE is just a name.and 2 pac is a LEGEND.

[@BMOCTV]

+oldschoolthug thug How are you going to tell Americans that we can't debate our artists..that are American? LOL

[@BMOCTV]

Also, check out our live show at 9pm Est this Sunday. I'm going to be shouting everyone out & we're doing a Q&A discussion with everyone in real time!

[@Theradiofailed]

How much was Biggie really from "the streets" when he went to private school? Big life wasn't that bad, his mom made sure he was good.

[@BMOCTV]

+The Radio Failed TV He lived in very bad neighborhood. I know of a lot of people who went to private school but had to come back home to rough surroundings. You can indirectly become a product of your environment.

[@TyHarrellShow]

+BMOCTV Biggie was raised by a good parent but he chose to go out into the streets. Coming from a person who grew up in Bed-Stuy I can say there were middle class families there but the chaos and crime was still there too. You could be on one block that was nice turn the corner and it's crime ridden. That's just how it was.

[@BMOCTV]

+Actor With A Day Job Yep!

[@noorbashit7495]

@@BMOCTV tupac grow up in bad neighborhood too

[@SuperNard3]

Biggie wasn't from the streets every brother from the hood is not a street dude just because neighborhood was don't you bad

[@Jesse-mk1kc]

Tupac is easily the G.O.A.T. and is a legend.

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

The G.O.A.T of ballet dancers

[@kekemola1475]

​​@@3rdGenerationCancerwhat's ya'll problem with Pac!?!?!? Always using that tired ass insult🙄🙄🙄..

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

@@kekemola1475 OK groupie. At least I can think for myself. All you Pac stans do is repeat everything Pac said.

[@kekemola1475]

@@3rdGenerationCancer🤦🏾‍♀️ what is YOUR problem with pac, a man gone for almost 30 years and whom u never met😂. Answer the damn question!

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

@@kekemola1475 And why are you defending him so much🤦🏾‍♂️ man that you never met

[@mojofrojoe5873]

no rapper is fucking with 2pac all the rappers yall think is the same rappers to say pac is the best

[@dirtyface-capone7622]

Tupac os the biggest icon in the history of rap.He's the only one who can enter that exclusive pantheon of musical unicorn legends with artist like Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, Elvis etc..etc.To ask if he's a legend comes off tone deaf & highly insulting.He was beyond a rap "lyricist".The man was simply one of the greatest song writers in modern music history.There's a difference.

[@JosephS-dj9os]

You're just yapping

[@dirtyface-capone7622]

@JosephS-dj9os It really p i s s e d you off, huh!? 😄

[@JosephS-dj9os]

@@dirtyface-capone7622 enemies Hennessy penitentiary 🤣

[@solmathe3730]

2pac #1 without a doubt he’s music will live on.Respect the Goat

[@kalivjr]

Pac sold 3 million in prison. Big barely went platinum. How is he the big dog??! This debate is craazzzzzy.

[@dreamvillexky8650]

GuiltyCode 77 both of bigs albums are diamond 10x platinum

[@kalivjr]

DreamvillexKY they both have 10x platinum albums AFTER their deaths. Pac was outselling BIG in that time period.

[@kalivjr]

DreamvillexKY it wasn't even close!

[@dreamvillexky8650]

GuiltyCode 77 I'm not talking album sales personally because of course 2pac will take it he had a few albums out before big relased his first but if I'm talking straight rap Pac isn't better than nas Big rakim jay z Eminem just to name a few

[@melvinarringtonj]

Big went double platinum in 95 for ready to die and gave his ready to die album to everyone in the hood for free and still went double platinum

[@bclassen4924]

he is so underated it isnt even funny I am from the Pac generation he was standing for the time and yeah man he was an icon he does deserve to be recognized as a rapper because he was a game changer in the rap game. He has been tried to be wiped out by who I believe killed him supposedly. No rapper of that era beat him out he was far better than anything better. He was a lyrical genius and he did have cultural pull. He was wiped out by people that didn't like the fact that a revolt could have happened. At that time when he died, he was heard of yet not really big and after death he became a household name. He deserves idolation. He deserves remembrance. He deserves retribution. He also deserves to to have people like me who truly care about what he stood for. But no, as far as him not being on any list; thats pretty wack. From what I learned about this debated THUG LIFE the way he tried to discuss it, was not the was the beureaucrats saw it. My opinion, Jay Z belongs nowhere on any list, and neither does Kevin Gates, but the difference between Kevin Gates and Jay Z; Kevin has more pull I feel. Jay Z has always seemed a shady character to me. So yeah, I agree, your influence depends on what you feel, and I didnt also start listening him til he made keep ya head up. I think tupac could have been more if people actually gave him a chance he wasnt aweful

[@boxingace7025]

Pac is world wide, rappers from his era and today envy him because he will be remembered by the world while your favorite rappers will be history

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

People worldwide can't even name 5 2Pac songs that are not singles

[@OhioStateSwag]

thanks for shouting me out! this one is tough for me just because im 15 and have really no idea how people thought of him but i know he is the most influential

[@BMOCTV]

+Spencer No problem & I definitely get that it's different b/c you are younger! Just the fact that you know he was influential & you're 15 says a lot!

[@BMOCTV]

+Spencer Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@jerzyjesssa2119]

Tupac is better than everyone ya’ll compare him to and they know it as well.

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

😆😆😆😆😆😆 Like you would know. FOH 2Pac is garbage just like you are.

[@thakingofdetroit]

Nigga said Me against the World is just "cool"....yup...i checked out right there lol

[@fruitpac]

Yep you are a 2Pac fanboy

[@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pv]

@@fruitpacyour name says it all 😂 how can you hate on a dead man! Damm that’s one of the reason why pac is the greatest coz he still has haters like you

[@fruitpac]

@@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pv And you glazing for that dead ballerina. How pathetic. You are groupie. FOH 2Pac fanboy

[@pmoneyrenonv2837]

pac ain't all that yeah right but every rapper in the game wants the respect pac has and 19 years later pac still is the most respected rapper ever fucking ever and if he would of survived he would of been the rap God oh I forgot he still is and yall talking about his bars pac didn't pull a biggie and take three years to make a album that's a lot of time to make an album yeah sometimes it sounded sloppy but you have to remember he didn't have the time perfect every song every verse he knew he had to record as much as he could because he knew he was gonna be dead soon plain and simple

[@BMOCTV]

Good points man!

[@BMOCTV]

+pmoney reno nv Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@DMAN4922]

2pac is the best rapper of all time. It's not even close...

[@bluflamewowlyout1943]

I agree with the co-host. Tupac real af top of the top 10s because in his time he made a soulful movement that empacted our culture in music. He created enjoyable lyrical and logical concept

[@BMOCTV]

+Kyle Taylor Yea man you gotta respect it!

[@annicebrown4617]

Who Shot you, and Long kiss goodnight are cowards anthems

[@DirtyFaceCapon3]

As I go through the video, more "surface" comments about Pac.He was already a wild dude when he was in Digital Underground.Shock G already told stories about being on tour with Pac and having to pull him out of night clubs because he was trying to brawl with a room full of dudes.Y'all don't know the story behind the story.Y'all have a sensationalist, media based perception of Tupac. He started off as MC NY, but he came of age in the Bay.That's where he shedded "poindexter" wide eyed side and really got introduced to game....the grind..the hustle. Oakland made him less gullible.The lame go there to die.You gotta have some gravity about yourself in order to survive out there. I think it gave Pac a unique perspective.He saw the game from multiple viewpoints.His music can't be duplicated. We'll always have a bunch of rapping robots like Em, Canibus etc....I even think I could find 100 Jay Z's/Nas before I find another Pac.

[@r.johnson1170]

+DirtyFaceCapon3 Truth! 1000% Facts.

[@BMOCTV]

Good points which is why we had a two sided discussion on him. Some of the Pac fans in this video gave some good points as well on why Tupac is loved the way he is. Thanks for commenting!

[@sebrod103]

DirtyFaceCapon3 lmao dude we're talking lyrical ability, Pac's rap ain't shit compared to Nas, Lupe Fiasco, MF DOOM and the like

[@annicebrown4617]

PAC did not have the same flow you clowns

[@annicebrown4617]

TUPAC made his platform he was never given anything

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

I always wonder growing up in Texas in the 90s as a kid, why so many people from the south, the midwest and the west coast love Tupac so much especially people from down south. Is it because of his straight to the point rap lyrics, his voice and his hyper energy? Everywhere I go in my hometown, I bring up a topic about Biggie and people will say "Fuck Biggie!" It's all about Pac!" I don't get it.

[@kekemola1475]

Damn really, surely they must have been some biggie fans/stans😂😂

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

@@kekemola1475 There is Biggie fans in Texas also.

[@xxshaquan914xx]

im from east coast a lot of people rock with 2pac and wears his shirts

[@BMOCTV]

Sure do

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

Correction. Nas was 20 when Illmatic came out. He was born in 1973.

[@BMOCTV]

+SoulOfTheSouth But he was a little younger when he recorded it between 92-93 & then the final album was released in 94.

[@kalivjr]

Then you got this Arab discussing Pac as if he knows what Pac was talking about?

[@BMOCTV]

He's not Arab. He's Romanian.

[@hebrew26commandmentspower55]

PAC isn't lyrical ?? lol .... PAC has more quotables than 90% emcees ...... Name every Pac song and all his lines r quotables..... smhhhh

[@BMOCTV]

Breh that's what they said man that's what they said LOL

[@gfunkgfunk]

2PAC = GOAT

[@BMOCTV]

Oh the controversy! LOL Thanks for tuning in! Let us know what you think. Is Tupac overrated or a legend? Is he on your top 10 favorite MC's list? Leave a great comment & I'll shout you out on the next episode like we did at the end of this one!!!

[@kennethevans4056]

What's the Facebook group name

[@BMOCTV]

facebook.com/groups/BMOCTV/

[@kennethevans4056]

+BMOCTV im joining I need to be apart of these debates

[@BMOCTV]

Kenneth Evans Ok cool, Join the party! LOL

[@MzMJ77]

I wish I could join, but I am at work when you guys are live.

[@Jsimm100]

I gotta agree with Chad that James Brown music was The Blueprint and Roots for Hip-Hop, although his flow and rhymes may not be like our faves but he layed the foundation along with George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic, Zapp and Roger Troutman.

[@BMOCTV]

Truth!

[@BMOCTV]

+Jsimm100 Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@Jsimm100]

+BMOCTV I'll be sure to check it out. I enjoy this channel.

[@BMOCTV]

+Jsimm100 Thanks I appreciate the support for real!

[@earnestwashington187]

PAC is the greatest rapper y’all better go check that og unreleased shit and listen biggie was better gtfoh

[@quinciwoods]

I love that BMOC has these debates of the media overrating artists and breaking them apart by actually analyzing facts and personal opinions. I THINK Pac is definitely on my top 10!

[@BMOCTV]

Thanks!!

[@itsjustasidehustle]

Father forgive us for living, why all my homies stuck in prison, barley breathing believing that the 🌎 is a prison, it's like a ghetto we can never leave, a broken 🌹 giving bloom through the cracks of the concrete, so many other things for us 2 👀, things 2 be our destiny so full of tragedy and misery, for all my homies never made it home, the dead peers i shed tattoo tears 4 when i am alone, picture us inside a ghetto heaven, a place 2 rest finding peace in this land of stress, in my chest i feel pain come in sudden storms, life full of ☔ in this 🎮 watch for lead thorns, our unborn never got 2 grew never got 2 👀 what's next, in this 🌎 full of countless threats, i beg god 2 make a way for our ghetto kids 2 breath show a sign make us all believe....

[@MzMJ77]

Tupac Amaru Shakur and the word 'underrated' DO NOT belong in the same sentence. We don't know if he would have fallen off in later years, but when he passed away his raps and beats were hot. I still LOVE Pac. When asked who is my fave rapper, it is still him. How can anyone compare Pac going platinum to MC Hammer going platinum? Hammer wasn't trying to rap like anyone else, he was a dancer and a hype man imo. This debate was lop-sided. Pac was an MC like DeShannus said. He is forever in my top 10. To quote Nas..."Whose the best...Pac, Nas, Big?" I agreed with Nas. At that time that was the question. And I wasn't that into B.I.G. still thought he was a part of the equation.

[@BMOCTV]

Good points

[@Raiders-wm5kb]

Lets break down some of his classic songs. When they were released and The album Sales during the time of the song. Dear Mama- Me against The Word (1.5million) Keep Your Head Up- Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. (500k Gold) Brenda Got a Baby-2Pacalypse Now (500k Gold) These are like 3 of 2pacs top songs. When Tupac was alive no one was going Tupac the greatest!!! Right or Wrong???

[@Peterborough_Guy_Slots]

That title of this video should not even exist

[@Peterborough_Guy_Slots]

Only hip hop artist to have a number one album while serving a jail sentence

[@lionelbulgin1739]

Good podcast but Pac all day everyday

[@BMOCTV]

LOL thanks!

[@BMOCTV]

+Lionel Bulgin Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@lionelbulgin1739]

BMOCTV​ Oh dam thanks man. I will definitely check it out. Keep going hard because when u get big ur going to have too many comments to reply to us all.

[@BMOCTV]

+Lionel Bulgin LOL yea man that is the goal! Just to keep working & build up brand! Salute to you!

[@charliesmith4951]

Lionel Bulgin Eminem, Biggie & Nas are better

[@finsupnation2034]

of course fat boy is on team PAC ain't all that.... PAC the best

[@TyHarrellShow]

This was a really good debate both sides brought up good points. Tupac was a good artist and yes he does go down as a legend but he is not the greatest of all time. Thanks for the shout out.

[@BMOCTV]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@BMOCTV]

+Actor With A Day Job Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@anthonyb4515]

He didn't even go to jail before the Bishop role. And even The Game was a male stripper. Don't try to call him out on that because he had to dance in order to make money and to promote himself and network to get his foot In the door. As far as his thug life mentality he had to have that in order to survive in Marin City. The hell was he talking about? And the guy that says overrated legend, How the hell was his story telling basic? Listen to White Man'z World or Hold Ya Head. Even Hellrazor!!!!! Wtf are you talking about? Those songs are the most lyrical damn songs on this Earth

[@Theradiofailed]

Maybe cuz I was a lil younger but I was completely on Tupac's team even though I'm from the East Coast. My older cuzn put me on to the West Coast music, so that was what I was on.

[@BMOCTV]

+The Radio Failed TV Dope! It's always a good look when you have an older brother, sister, or cousin who puts you on to good music!

[@annicebrown4617]

Doing all that nervous laughing cause u PAC haters got schooled by oboy with the gap he the Realist in this debate

[@Jsimm100]

Puff advised B.I.G. To chill when Tupac struck at him with the disses, it was only til' PAC did "Hit Em Up" where B.i.G. wanted to get at him for mentioning Faith and etc. When PAC died I remember B.I.G. did a interview where he mentioned that whatever beef he and PAC had was over and done with and he just wanted peace between The East and West, that it should have never came to death, wish they could have met up and squash the beef. The industry, media. Record companies profited off the beef but the fans, friends and family lost two great artists and men in Hip-Hop. Beef should NEVER come to Blood, let it stay on Wax. #RIPTUPACBIG

[@BMOCTV]

Exactly! People always skip over this part of history. It's shame these two legends had to die over nonsense.

[@DirtyFaceCapon3]

He's only overrated in your own mind.Pac's the biggest hip hop icon there is.The Bob Marley of rap.It's deeper than technicalities/multi's/metaphors and bars.Pac went beyond that.He had a a level of spirtual/emotional connectivity with people that most artist, no matter what genre, will never be able to match.You gotta be born with a soul like that. Now y'all gone ahead and rationalize your hate.Some niccaz are just to simple to really comprehend Pac.Superficial criteria got em stuck on stupid.

[@BMOCTV]

Who are you talking to? If you watched the video this was a two sided debate with most feeling he was not overrated.

[@DirtyFaceCapon3]

BMOCTV I'm talking to whoever it applies to.Whether in the video or the comment section.Specifically the "Anti-Tupac" folk.

[@BMOCTV]

+DirtyFaceCapon3 Okay

[@lukmankhan1612]

Loved the video, I like how everyone has there opinion an that's cool. But I still don't know why Pac's work ethic wasn't bought up everyone who has worked with him talked work ethic. Pac made the Makaveli 7 day theory in 3 days with further 4 days of mixing, how deep that album goes in the time he wrote it is beyond any rapper no other rapper could do that. Hail Mary, Blasphemy, Against all odds are just some to mention he was growing slowly lyrically too we didn't get to see the full product he was entering his prime. As far as how he would be now like ice cube is wrong. Tupac said in one of his interview 5 years from now god willing I'm alive I swear to u I will be sitting opposite the president. He was going political after deathrow.Thats what makes him a legend because he was for the people the struggle of black America.

[@lukmankhan1612]

btw as I see u are big nas fans check out Nas - survive his tribute to Pac. If your favourite rapper gives out love to another rapper on a song shows he meant something.

[@BMOCTV]

+Lukman Khan You're right, Pac's work ethic was crazy. So many musical gems he left behind! I think that's what helps makes him legendary!

[@reedpullins2288]

If you listen to Pac first album he's lyrical but when he got to death row it was more about war and not rap listen to street fame og song so lyrical

[@arnoldstalone3667]

When he signed to Death Row he gotta do that because he signed the contract which included to release 3 albums for Death Row thats why Pac was working so fast to get out of Death Row word on the street is he recorded around 700+ songs just in 1996. But if you listen to the posthumous albums you can see he was still about to come back with that legendary "Me Against The World" kinda stuff when he was about to get outta Death Row sadly he didnt get outta Death Row even tho he completed the Makaveli album in just 3 days which a lot of people dont even know and they think it was 7 days the truth is he recorded all the songs in just 1 day and the rest took them 2 days.. Pac was a workoholic when he was in Death Row everybody told them stories about him recording minimum of 4-5 songs a day there are even videos on youtube where Pac is mad at people because they fucked up the song and he wanted to got it done in time.. Dude was crazy talented and he was so Real it seems Unreal nowadays.

[@jackeaston8700]

Pac is so overrated people just can’t accept it

[@Romelle81]

Nice Debate, there are good points on both sides I was never the tupac stan that alot of people were back then during the thug life era. The whole beaf thing was annoying to me. But I think some of his music is just classic and was good for hiphop. I think for his impact on hiphop culture alone makes him one of the greatest. Songs like I Get Around, I Aint made at you, All about and You Dear Mama can be played at any cookout and everybody would be happy. You can ask your Aunt and Uncle and they'll say 2Pac. They probably don't even know who Common, or Mos Def, or Nas are. That should count for something. He didn't have to always be extra lyrical, he wrote from him prospective and came with good statements and people felt him. When I think of Tupac, outside of the thug persona, I think of Artistry and Poetry. He made some good songs. I think you have you're "favorite MCs", and then you have a VHS tape with Tupac labeled on it. My favorite MCs are Common, Jayz, Mos Def, Taleb Kweli and Nas

[@BMOCTV]

Dope & yea man Pac is up there with the greatest whether people listen to him or not. And you're right, what's he done for the culture has lasted event behind his death. Thanks for watching & giving your take!

[@BMOCTV]

+Romelle 1981 Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@kalivjr]

Nas never switched his flow. what song??! come on man.

[@nashallknight8652]

Ghetto star, if I die tonight,outlaw,Blasphemy,troublesome 96,16 on death row,my block,only fear of death,got my mind made up,under pressure ,me and my girlfriend .all great lyrical songs .try to listen to more than just radio hits .pac had 0ver 700 songs.nas even said pac might be the best all time. on the I am.go listen to those songs that I listed above.if you say he can't rap or flows the same in every song.

[@CaRmSsSsS]

I like what @Cheminacci said "Another great debate! Pac is definitely a legend, but greatest all time? No...but that doesn't take away from his accomplishments and influence." 75 million records, great content, etc … Let's break it down more simply - ART is subjective, so Tupac might be a Legend to Person A and not to Person B. Art is meant to influence and to move people, the fact that this amazing debate even occurred (and is so thorough and fun) AFTER Tupac is gone … I think that pretty much sums it up. His work was effective, meaningful, and powerful.

[@BMOCTV]

+Carman Napier Facts Only!

[@thakingofdetroit]

imo the ultimate decider should be the MUSIC lol....Most of Pacs songs are timeless.

[@Jsimm100]

In my personal opinion Tupac is definitely a legend. I think the myth/mystery surrounding his death is overrated. LOL. He is Top 2 with B.I.G. in my opinion. While I agree that PAC lacked in lyrical a little, he was versatile with his topics/subject. For me versatility is key when I judged artists/musicians/rappers. As for Biggie he wasn't versatile in terms of subject matter but I think he would have had he have lived, but he was versatile in terms of his beats/sound. Also B.I.G. Was starting to change his subject matter when he did "Sky Is The Limit". Also the reason Biggie never got a chance to explore more subject matter was because Puff wanted POP(ular) Hits/Anthems instead of more in depth songs. Back to PAC he was a Gemini (zodiac sign) which is a twin sign which would describe PAC dual personalities, how he would be cool, philosophical one minute and then be Thug Life the next.

[@r.johnson1170]

+Jsimm100 So with that being said. Do you prefer content over style or vice versa? As the guy asked in the video, if you had to listen to either BIG or Pac for thhe rest of your life who would you choose?

[@Jsimm100]

+R. Johnson Well because I been listening to only B.I.G. music lately I'll take him. With PAC and B.I.G I just can't choose, I like em both kinda like MJ and Prince I like em both so it's hard for me to choose.

[@BMOCTV]

+R. Johnson Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@r.johnson1170]

BMOCTV Cool. I'm going to check it out. I checked your other episodes too and I like what you got going on. You're a great host/mediator.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa420]

2pac: overrated or legend? The answer is both.

[@3rdGenerationCancer]

Agreed

[@lyricalmc5188]

He is a legend and in my top 10 but there are many better than him

[@BMOCTV]

+Stewart Pid Where is he on your top 10 list?

[@lyricalmc5188]

+BMOCTV 9

[@BMOCTV]

+Stewart Pid Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@dreamvillexky8650]

Mc hammer had a diamond album

[@pollopollo5658]

From a 19 year old in 2021 i can say he is the greatest which in my criteria includes popularity and influence vs best which doesnt. So with that criteria that i go with 2pac is undoubtedly the greatest of all time if not easily top 3 at least top 5. But best of all time he exist in the top 50

[@donniegray5343]

Not even a debate

[@bluflamewowlyout1943]

oh now u knw I'ma watch all your shows.

[@BMOCTV]

LOL thanks

[@BMOCTV]

+Kyle Taylor Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@timotheusn.h.nakashona1001]

DeShanus is very insightful!

[@BMOCTV]

+timotheus nakashona He is! That's why he's my permanent co host! LOL

[@shantalclayborn7882]

Top 10 best selling rappers/hip hop rappers of all time …Eminem 227 million records sold,drake 152, Kanye 140 million, jayz 125 million, lil Wayne 110 million, Nikki Minaj 106, Flo rida 102 million , Tupac shakir 75 million…and that’s of may 27, 2022…now my question is WHERE ARE ALL those RAPPERS Yall Praising? DESHUNNA is right…it’s a lot of haters of Tupac and it’s simple as that…ain’t nobody caring bout no metaphors or bars….ITS FELT MUSIC TUPAC DELIVERING…he made that list and he dead….his delivery so real…you feel every line he speaking…that’s what sells records…stop hating…now making a top 10 and your dead IS A TOP MC ..end of conversation..#period…and I’m neutral..not east or west..MEMPHIS TN

[@fruitpac]

I care about metaphors and bars. Pac was and abc rapper. Anybody could've wrote like he wrote. Clearly you have heard of Chuck D or Ice Cube's material. There was nothing new or inventive about Pac's songs. Except for the girl songs. Dear Mama and Keep Ya Head Up.

[@mojofrojoe5873]

2pac is the #1 rapper hiphop lyric nobody's fucking with him no1 im not saying it because he's my favorite no he is no matter wat u say yall sound like haters and like yall dont know music

[@mc365mc]

dude don't know MC is Emcee the title is pronounced the same and the latter is derived from the former. But they are not the same.

[@coldchilln]

cerga doesn't know shit yo....Pac is the greatest. If you understood the way the U.S. is set up. You know how hard it is and at that time how hard it was for Pac. Since Pac n BIG death. No one wants to tell the truth....Beside J.Cole n K.Dot...Everyone is now sayn "Owe them boys rapn that Pac shit" in some form yo

[@BMOCTV]

+coldchilln90 Dang let that man have his opinion. Sheesh LOL

[@Peterborough_Guy_Slots]

You’re lucky the guys not here today because …… well I don’t think I need to explain. Use you’re heads

[@merchantsmithimages]

The intro with the facts.

[@BMOCTV]

+rockjohnson80 LOL thanks! Had to keep it balanced & throw out the facts that couldn't be debated. He has an impressive record on paper!

[@BMOCTV]

+rockjohnson80 Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@intelligencecycle3523]

I know I'm late on this, but I'm a say this I'm on team pac ain't all that here's why I still listen too his songs he has passion, emotion, hunger in his voice. now, that carries him to energetic performance really passionate way too get crowd moving. being lyrical is a testament to show u got skills pac besides ( trouble some 96, Holla if u get me) that he's incapable of doing it. if there wasn't lyricism in hip-hop everyone will copy pac style of rap. but, he's the most influential figure in hip-hop/ music history . people who say he's best ones that haven't heard of Nas,rakim etc... he made important music way some people sway otherwise it almost like he's became a messiah where it's unfair too criticized just because they're dead or they've accomplish a region of fans. but, yeah nothing too wash his achievements but I don't think he's god MC as bunch of people say.

[@BMOCTV]

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[@Raiders-wm5kb]

2pac was overrated he was all hype. Media,beef,movies etc..... 2pacs first 2 albums both went GOLD! His 3rd album sold only 1.5million!!! He didn't start selling big till he joined death row and started beefing with rappers like biggie. Than his 4th album out of nowhere sells 9million. So just 1 year after his 3rd album sells 1.5million. His 4th album magically sells 9million. 2pac was overrated!!!!!!!!! He was all hype. Also he was a Studio Gangsta. He was from new york. He was a back up dancer. Went to acting school. He lied in 90% of his rhymes.

[@nashallknight8652]

You are a liar.me against the world was platinum.that's pre death row .biggies great but he had no platinum albums until he passed away.

[@Dro9291]

Pac is overrated and I do like his music

[@xxshaquan914xx]

2pac the greatest to ever do it the men did songs 5 to 10 min rappers take years to make one album

[@BMOCTV]

Tupac's work ethic was incredible!

[@xxshaquan914xx]

BMOCTV yeah but i like the conversation though except for that white guy not to be racist but to put 2pac in your top 50 and kept bringing up Drake I'm sorry but he should have been out the conversation

[@machiavelliq8758]

BMOCTV Word, if you look at interviews of people that knew him they always said that he could get on the mic and put out song after song, always writing, never taking breaks from recording( he would finish records and then chill, never during it).

[@xxshaquan914xx]

BMOCTV oh now the conversation is over about who is better Tupac or biggie & Tupac's resume is wayyyyy too much Tupac becomes the first solo hip hop artist to make it into the rock and roll hall of fame it's certified 💯💯💯💯

[@TheDwanya]

Austin 3:16 says keep up the good work

[@BMOCTV]

+Stone Cold Steve Austin Thanks bro & will do!

[@BMOCTV]

+Stone Cold Steve Austin Hey just I gave shout you at the end of our new episode! We talked about Meek vs Wale, Ross, Bobby Smurda's bailout, Kanye's ghostwriting & more! Let me know what you think. Thanks for supporting!

[@TheDwanya]

Thanks!

[@annicebrown4617]

People talk ish about TUPAC SHAKUR because of there jealous and they bums want attention

[@lonzodreyella]

jesus, so 2pac has won this bout huh, you be saying next that the west coast hip hop is better than the east coast.and you said how many m,cs from the 90s who are better than 2pac i can anwser that, all the members from the wu tan clan.

[@Christian900]

Bmcotv come on man, He's a Legend

[@Christian900]

BmocTv

[@BMOCTV]

+Christian900 He is!

[@thetruest7497]

Cats be like "Pac aint have lyrics" then argue that a bum rapper like naS or Biggie had bars. They just expose themselves. Whenever anyone says Illmatic is lyrical miracle I know they dont understand lyrics. Illmatic is about as basic as it gets. And to pretend Scarface is a lyricist and Pac isnt is assinine. Correct, naS has never changed his flow. I'm a Pac stan and can admit he's not the best, but that is compared to Reasonable Doubt Jay or Lupe Fiasco. But naS? Scarface? Come on. I literally been waiting 20 years for anyone on any format to quote a single dope naS bar. A single one. No one has ever done it.

[@fruitpac]

Clearly you are an idiot.

[@kekemola1475]

​@@fruitpacget u some jesus bro😐

[@troymindwrite7850]

Nas was 21 when Illmatic came out bro

[@arnoldstalone3667]

It was his first and last great album tho.. Pac released 6 of them just in 5 years another 21 got released when he died that makes it 27 Biggie got 2 and 2 after he died which is 4 and dumb niggaz still compare them two niggaz like they equal tho which is crazy Pac was on whole another level nobody could fuck with Pac in 90s and nobody can do it now..and I mean NOBODY that nigga is still considered the GOAT around the world.

[@larryconnerjr1835]

Tupac is the greatest rapper ever but he’s not the greatest lyricist rapper pac meant more to black culture than any other rapper in history also pac shooting the white cops in defense of a black man and throwing up the middle finger at the cameras after getting shot at quad studios made Tupac a folk hero to my generation of young black peoples growing up in the 90’s after that he just seemed more real and authentic to any other rapper and people miss that those incidents greatly enhanced him in American black culture and in turn enhanced him worldwide also

[@fruitpac]

speak for yourself. Pac's fakse in=mage has a thug influenced more young males do ridiculous things than they normally would've. Pac was fake.

[@matthewmann8969]

Pac is overatted the way I see it when he was alive not many where considering him the greatest of all time yeah he may of been very famous and popular but not many were saying he was one of the greats like they were saying about Biggie, Kool G Rap, Nas, Rakim, KRS One, Big Daddy Kane, Big Pun, Ice Cube, and some others

[@DragonsBlood1]

bro pac the goat

[@BMOCTV]

A lot of people feel that way