Whats Better? RMK PRO or RMK KHAOS

[@brianashdown4836]

I'm 60 yrs old and snowmobiled till I was 40. I have experienced quite the evolution of machines. Today's generation of machine and rider are so extremely capable that the adventure has kept becoming larger. I really enjoyed this 20 minutes of sledding! Thanks!

[@turcotte16]

Glad you’re stoked!

[@firefighterpk2440]

I'm 56 years old and really thinking about getting back on a sled to ride with my 21 year old son. We used to live about 20 minutes from probably the best mountain riding in Wyoming, good place to spend my couple weeks of vacation next winter. 😎

[@tdelam]

@@firefighterpk2440 never too late. I am 41 and my dad is 63 with 1 shoulder that works and 1/4 of his other doesn't. He rides a 2019 Pro RMK 163 and is one of the harder riders in the group. He was out today smashing a creek. He busted some a arms. He put a spare on tonight because we have a 3 day technical tree riding trip coming up that he's looking forward to!

[@Chris-8047]

Started 5yrs ago at 50. I've never been more excited for winters and snow. So much fun.

[@nathanburroughs2646]

@@firefighterpk2440 do it

[@taylormade8873]

One of the best videos I've seen that really explains a lot between the 2 great job

[@turcotte16]

Thanks!! Had a blast making this one!

[@lavingunn4468]

The first video I have seen that showcases both sleds by same rider on same terrain. Thank you

[@danielware4316]

Khaos for fun, pro for functionality.

[@bobjones-iu1jd]

They are both fun. If your not having fun on an rmk your a pessimist

[@comradeeverclear4063]

The Khaos is every bit as functional as the regular RMK.

[@stevetrojano1595]

@@comradeeverclear4063 IMHO, if a professional rider can't get it into the same spots then it isn't as functional.

[@cstevenett2779]

Thanks for the great comparison ride Brett!!! I was lucky last week in Sicamous to get a chance to ride a 2020 Pro 800/163 as well as a 2020 Khaos 850/155 the same day/same epic snow conditions! The Pro works well but is a little too "planted" in the front end. I prefer the light feeling front end of the Khaos. That being said.....the track length could have made the difference I was feeling plus I wasn't able to set up the suspension to suit me. I think for my personal style of riding I will be choosing the Khaos with a 155 skid which feels similar to my IQ 800/155/2.6. I will be 60 years young in a couple of months and I think the Khaos to be the most comfortable transition for me. Always looking forward to your next video.......keep them coming! Cheers!

[@hoyboyz9400]

This was exactly the video that I was looking for to help me decide which one to purchase for Centennial. Looks like the PRO is my choice but I would be real fun to just try the Khaos for a day or two. Great job trying to keep the two on similar terrain and conditions for comparison. It's impossible to do. Excellent Job!!

[@alaskadrifter]

This is the best comparison video between the Pro and the Khaos I’ve seen. It actually shows how they react to different conditions.

[@turcotte16]

Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it

[@alaskadrifter]

@@turcotte16 going into the video I was leaning towards upgrading to a Khaos someday, but now I think I’ll stick with a Pro.

[@swovay6963]

Props. What a breath of fresh air. No background music, listening to you work the throttle. Felt like I was there. Heart was pounding, trying to follow lines lol

[@turcotte16]

Hang on for the ride!

[@WRCWRX]

Great edit Brett! I was able to ride my friends Khaos last week in tech/steep terrain & was not for me. I much preferred my RMK Pro. If I wanted a inefficient wheelie machine I would be on a Ski Doo turbo probably LOL.

[@dustinkaczmarek2106]

So glad you are becoming more detailed in your videos and more publicly involved with your riding! This year's videos have been a blast to watch! 🤙

[@turcotte16]

Thanks for the kind words! I will do my best to get in depth as the season progresses!

[@dustinkaczmarek2106]

@@turcotte16 Absolutely man your killing it! But Hey I've been asking 509 for a song title from your turkey segment with the tripple cat. It was something like "everything is bad for you" but they never got back to me... any hints??

[@chrisspencer8356]

I've had both pro and khaos models and they both work great depending on what your looking for. The pro is better in the trees and hold's a better line but isn't as fun.The khaos has better shocks. You can drop the front suspension skid on a pro down into the assault hole and make it closer to a khaos for the fun factor or shorten the limiter strap on a khoas and it makes it hold a line much better.I tested both sleds against each other with identical clutching and they were so close. They had same ski lift and acceleration in one ft of fresh. Basically they were a blend of the two models when doing this.In my option Polaris should make one model with and an adjustable limiter strap with the khaos shocks.Great video Brett this helps alot of guys

[@turcotte16]

Yes

[@brandonternes926]

Great video. I know you usually train for X-Games this time of year. With Covid restrictions its nice to see you putting out more backcountry stuff as you are an awesome rider we don't get to see in the backcountry as much as others. If you ever get tired of doing back flips and do riding clinics I'd be there in a heart beat.

[@kevinyaremchuk8325]

I don't even ride a Polaris and this video was outstanding! Fantastic work Brett. Look forward to more of your comprehensive and honest analysis!

[@turcotte16]

Thanks for watching!

[@Nicksterzone]

I'm glad I found this video. I was really set on a khaos, but now I know it doesn't fit the type of riding I plan to do.

[@turcotte16]

They’re both awesome machines, one just works better in the steep and tight stuff!

[@Nicksterzone]

@@turcotte16 That's exactly what I was curious about. Very much appreciate the review.

[@davesdelta7836]

Khaos, Install the Pro limiter and have Carls Cycle Revalve the shocks with a stiffer rear spring. Much, much better.

[@mdjak3686]

Now I don’t know much about snowmobiles. But I know talent when I see it. Damn good. Earned my sub.

[@billygrossjr.5585]

Solid review man. Thanks for putting in the work to make it!

[@turcotte16]

My pleasure!

[@SledorFish]

Great comparison! I have been debating over the 163" Khaos and the 155" Pro and I think this video is helping lean me toward the 155" Pro. My current sled is a 163" Pro RMK 850 and I miss the fun factor of my old 155". The 163" sure does have some "get it done" when you need it though.

[@turcotte16]

I love the 155 pro!! So much traction!

[@codyjurenka8850]

How soft did you have the rear suspension on the khaos? Curious if the rear was stiffened all the way up so the steeper skid angle was the main difference how the two would compare? Great video.

[@slcbuilds3687]

Wow, great video to see how much different those two sleds handle. I can see how nimble the Kaos actually is compared to the Pro. I have a 163 pro which always felt really ski heavy, but climbs like a maniac and is really hard to throw around. Nimble enough, but not pulling up wheelies like that Kaos does. Looks fun, maybe need both as well.

[@selenejakob7262]

Love my Pro but was considering the Khaos so I appreciate the comparison! I think I will stick with what I have for now 😉

[@selenejakob7262]

I’m only on my third year riding so a bit naive. Lol But what would you change on your Pro to make it more playful like the Khaos like you commented in the end? Would love the best of both worlds

[@turcotte16]

Could soften up the rear shock, add some preload to the center shock and it would make it feel somewhat in between what a Khaos and a pro feel!

[@toyman2k]

@@turcotte16 would the slash 22 model Pro's feel a little more like the Khaos ? still torn between Khaos or Pro. Have 19 pro now and love it. KICK ASS VIDEO for showing us how it reacts in the trees.

[@shaneparker2060]

@@turcotte16 Would there also be some benefit to lengthening the limiter strap on the pro? Would these changes require some additional preload to the front to maintain ski pressure on the trails out to the playground? looking for a more Khaos like Pro. Thanks

[@ippielb]

When my finger heals up Brett, offer still stands from 2 years ago to come ride with us in sicamous for some spring time booters and filming.

[@steveboisvert]

best comparaison video i have ever seen. thanx Brett

[@turcotte16]

Thanks for the rad words!!

[@kurtnelson9714]

Very cool to see the comparison, from the same rider and same terrain!

[@JaimetheNomad]

Great vid man! These are literally the exact spec machines I can’t decide between. Even after watching it’s a tough decision, you did it right, get both haha! But only one for me right now. Thanks for the excellent comparison 🤙

[@SlipperyDucky]

exactly the video i needed to see thanks man 👍 makes the decision so much easier

[@PJ-si2po]

Really good control Really enjoyed the last part thought tights trees that was really well controlled RMK Pro 163 would be my final choice Thanks for the video from pros

[@pike3531]

Dang it would be nice to have one of those sleds!

[@turcotte16]

They’re both super rad!

[@bryanmcdo1149]

Can the rmk pro still wheelie good

[@snobiwonkenobi]

Great comparison! As an older rider who rides technical terrain in Michigan's U.P., the Pro RMK, or in my case, Rookie RMK, is my choice.

[@turcotte16]

That’s awesome!!

[@joeyclark8266]

You sir are impressive,especially on the khaos which seemed either way to light or had more power than it needed

[@turcotte16]

it wasn't about the power, its the different rail profile, and the longer center shock and limiter strap. it allows for more ski lift, which in some cases could appear as more power, but they are clutched identical, and use the same 850 powerplant

[@JasonMcMurray]

I actually converted my khaos to rmk rails and limiter straps. Huge difference not only in the wheelie but because of the tip on the front of the rails the khaos tends to trench. I think I might even try an anti stab kit on my rmk rails and slightly longer limiter straps to make it more playful

[@korben8336]

So why didn’t you just buy a pro Or did you not know you would like the pro setup more than the khaos

[@JasonMcMurray]

@@korben8336 for a couple reasons. Got a good deal on this khaos mid season, better shocks and the real kicker was this was all the dealer had in a 155” lol

[@heatherwatkins9536]

just changed my snow check to the pro rmk matryx slash after seeing this video so thank you!

[@turcotte16]

Awesome!

[@pacifica721]

Awesome comparison! Would love to see some other brands on that hill to see how they stack up.

[@turcotte16]

Maybe that should be a video in the future on my channel

[@jc9601]

I did a comparison 2 yrs ago , rmk vs alpha vs a doo, all 160 class track, rmk had a 2.6. Found a untracked steep hill, riders started thier climb at the very start of the hill, no run, both doo and alpha got close to same height, both started trenching and got lots of ski lift and turned out 3/4 ish way up, my rmk when easily over the top, no ski lift, doo rider says to me," that sled is like a tractor"... I'm buying a new 2022, def will be the 2.75 , 165, just not sure what version, the common sence part off me says rmk, but I'd love to have the easier riding khoas on those shallow sno packed days. Great vid brett

[@j9845IQ]

Great video. Khaos is literally a RMK Assault with a narrow front end. I always had trouble trenching with my Assault. Just shows how marketing can re-sell a product.

[@Icutmetal]

Close.

[@Deadlyshu]

Rad video man!! Great job on the comparison!

[@turcotte16]

Thanks Chris! Hope to see ya out on the snow soon!

[@brandondougherty7213]

That’s a good review. I was going to convert my Pro to Khaos, but I think I will leave it now. Are you running any engine mods or just stock with cans?

[@TheTysurfs]

Thanks for that video! I liked the comparison. Not perfect, but that’s real world. Have you ever ridden the khaos in the 165? Much difference in that front end lift? Brother and I have identical pros but with different track lengths, and I can notice less lift with the 163. I’d like to find something in the middle of the two you rode.

[@turcotte16]

165 Khaos would be a good middle ground for sure! I don’t often ride anything longer than a 155 but for some playfulness but predictability the Khaos 165 would be a great choice

[@TheTysurfs]

@@turcotte16 That 165 is going to be a top contender for me going into 2022!

[@sundogtune]

DAMN,, I WISH I COULD RIDE A SNOWMOBILE LIKE YOU. i have seen those lines and always thought i dont have enough people to get me out!!!

[@turcotte16]

Having a good crew builds confidence haha

[@FreeRiderFMX]

Love the vids! Gives me a sled fix while I'm stuck up in camp at work.... 🤘

[@turcotte16]

Keep grinding!

[@mav22100]

It would be interested to know how if the 165 Khaos would have less front end lift and do better in technical terrain. Great Video comparing the differences in performance and summary of where the two sleds excel in regards to terrain!

[@turcotte16]

I would assume with the longer length it would definately keep it down better, I just don’t ride that length of sled ever!

[@canadaeast8358]

Khaos is for people like barant who just like playing around wheeling over backwards all the time. I’d rather the pro anytime just because it’s easier to get into harder places. All depends on your riding style. Awesome video man thanks. Dam good riding too

[@turcotte16]

Definately a different ride for sure!! I don’t mind either, but I really do love the pro in the trees where I ride most my season!

[@canadaeast8358]

@@turcotte16 for sure it’s definitely nice to know it’s gonna go where you want it to

[@Yamadeere]

Great comparison Brett. Excellent to have such a professional view & rider jump from sled to sled & ride same spot.

[@thebigbail]

New subscriber, really impressed with the effort you put into your videos! 👍🏽

[@turcotte16]

Thank you!!

[@CRC780]

Extremely informative!!! Thanks Brett!

[@Parker565]

I’ll be honest I never had that much issue with my Khaos being unruly. Long term though I stretched it to a 163 after my first season as a 155. Only reason being was that it trenched and was hard to keep the front down on steep and technical terrain. The 163 conversion made it way better in steep technical terrain. This season I’m putting a turbo on it and can’t wait. But I had a 17 pro Rmk before and tbh I love the 20 Khaos compared to the pro Rmk for my riding style. Probably will step up to the patriot boost Khaos in another season or 2 though.

[@motorizedjunk6666]

Would be worth while mentioning, if you don’t like the khaos ski lift you can drill a new hole in the front limiting straps and bring it closer in, and end up with ski pressure like an rmk Also in more spring like snow conditions a khaos would really shine, most of my days on the snow are not as good as in your video It’s all a trade off In the hill climb portion you get the khaos to appear to struggle, hitting the bottom of that hill with any speed keeps the front end more planted. I like a short track because I carry more momentum in my riding anyways typically Current sled is a 2020 khaos, have had a 16 rmk and 12 assault, and I highly prefer sleds with more ski lift for my ride style To each his own obviously, but the excessive ski left in a khaos is a very easy tune/fix

[@turcotte16]

All great points! Yes there is plenty of adjustments that could be made, this wasn’t a setup video. To your point about the speed at approach...I did dead stop starts on both the pro and Khaos, same body positioning as well. Both sleds with time, could be setup to what each rider needs! That’s awesome that you’ve been a Polaris rider for a while, they make good stuff!

[@Derrick_Neill]

Definitely will be going rmk pro next time. I find same thing with my khaos too much front end lift

[@turcotte16]

Yessir!! Fun sleds all around!!

[@billallen4793]

Try softening the front shock and going full stiff on the rear shock. ..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠

[@spencerminchau8977]

@10 ish minutes. I had my 2021 khaos 155 2.6 wheeling too much like that when climbing. Added 4-5 threads of pre load on rear track shock and it hasn’t wheeled over on climbs since.

[@turcotte16]

That’s awesome! They do have a ton of adjustment to help with different aspects, for me I set the sleds up for all around riding, not just one aspect!

[@joeyelton407]

@@turcotte16 the adjustability is simple enough to change on the fly......the effected change is weight transfer. the khaos rear skid can be adjusted to reduce the weight transfer, again on the fly.

[@spencerminchau8977]

I am very impressed with the adjustability of the shocks which is the selling point that my decision to go with a Khaos an easy one. Definitely feel the pro rmk is still the best choice for tree riding and holding precise lines but very impressed with the khaos as an all around machine so far

[@turcotte16]

@@spencerminchau8977 would have to agree with you there! They offer a large range of adjustability!!

[@ryanboettcher6172]

Amazing video in real world situations. I just subscribed. I wish I would have seen this video last week. I pulled the trigger on a 2021 Khaos 155" and I'm still breaking it in, but I can already tell that I miss the predictability. I do most of my riding in Wyoming's Snowy Range and Sierra Madre which has open bowls and not quite as technical. I think I'm going to suck up the limiter strap because my new sled is like my ex...a rowdy mess of a handful!

[@turcotte16]

Watch for my next video that will help you with some setups!!!

[@scotthintz8875]

Great video. Best comparison I've seen.

[@yamaforever]

Really good video that gives you a good insight on the differences between these two sleds. Nice done, thanks:)

[@brentlittle2810]

I'm running the fox coils with rear lockout on my 155 khaos. Hoping that will give me climbing ability when needed. 🤞🏻

[@turcotte16]

It should!!!

[@philsautobody]

Love the videos great job! I see you adjust the low speed to change the attitude of the Khaos. Does high speed not have as much effect on wheelie and transfer? Is it more for bumps and jumps? Thanks!

[@turcotte16]

Yes high speed is more for the bigger impacts!

[@kclogging6995]

those lines was crazy Brett

[@skullproductions9496]

I'm getting the Kaos only because I don't do so much of steep climbing and I will be able to set it up like the rmk they are both great and u can set them up how u want them to

[@turcotte16]

Absolutely!! Enjoy the ride!

[@stuartderrick9884]

Yeah it would be nice if we had just any new sled. I have always wanted one but we can't afford it. I am 13 and I have been snowmobiling for years. I just want a new sled like a Khaos

[@atikameg73]

I'm thinking the Khaos is a better choice for a flatlander like me where I don't have the great slopes and I have to create my own fun.

[@turcotte16]

Heck ya!!

[@Icutmetal]

I agree. The Matryx Khaos 155” may just gave me cheating on my ‘Doo done day.

[@CraigVanSickleAK]

Great shots and info! Thanks for sharing.

[@The_Native_wolfAK]

Where them SKS’s? I have a 2002 SKS Polaris 500 runs like a beauty.

[@ammonatamanczyk6481]

Thank you for this very useful, yet entertaining content!👍

[@neilgood7040]

Excellent video best I have seen for comparison 👍

[@turcotte16]

Thank youn

[@zepyep]

That’s why i got the pro rmk rather than a khaos. Awsome video compering the to¡

[@turcotte16]

Thanks!! It was super fun riding them both back to back

[@jackcarrubba]

Great video!🤘Which sled is better for jumping, out of those two?

[@chrismemmott9493]

Very informative video. Thanks for sharing!

[@4930driver]

Well done sir. Im no expert ,, an only 1 weekend on my new 2021 Khaos 163_2.6. I jumped ship from 2019 Ski Doo 165 ,,, Khaos to me anyway seems to act like my Summit. Not saying its a bad thing. But i did enjoy you video. Its gonna be a learning curve for me for sure

[@joshprosser248]

We all saw the snow conditions , ones better in the powder and that’s what it’s made for

[@B.C.EpicExplorer]

koas is sick but rmk pro for me as i love hill climbing.pretty much just less angle of attack with koas and morevwheelie time which is awesome too

[@pyromilk]

Dope sleds! Love the beat also that starts at .40 what’s the name?

[@davesdelta7836]

Great video and feedback. You must have a great cardio program. If you have the opportunity, it would be interesting to see the same testing and comparing of 165 Pro/Khaos. I’m wondering if the differences wouldn’t be as much as the 155’s?

[@turcotte16]

For sure the difference carries over, but with the extra length it is a bit more mellowed out!!

[@Andy-wo9bm]

Excellent real world comparison! Really curious how the 165 Kaos does in comparison.

[@turcotte16]

165 Khaos vs 165 rmk? I’d expect similar results!

[@BackcountryLife]

Love it man keep up the good work!

[@av6067]

What Polaris turbo you going with season you must be very excited to say the least cant wait for your vids

[@turcotte16]

I will be running the KHAOS boost 155

[@byoder0420]

Great comparison this really help.

[@dwightndover7845]

Maybe the Khaos is trenching more because the limiter straps are not on the same setting as the pro

[@masonshaw21]

This shows the khaos as a wheelie monster. The stance all the way back on the running boards isn’t very realistic. Of course it wheelies when you stand way back there. Wouldn’t you normally ride standing closer to the front? Minute 10 is the main example

[@dennismartin3445]

Hey Brett, You have become one of my favorite riders to watch btw... killing it keep it up!!! Looks like you have CFR bars, I have them ready to go although waiting on knucks.. Do I need the tube adapter for 21' polaris khaos 165? Or does it bolt up?

[@turcotte16]

Get the tube adapter and 2” riser!!

[@dennismartin3445]

@@turcotte16 exactly what I ordered!! Thanks!! McCall Saturday- Tuesday!! Whoop whoop

[@TheCoastalForest]

Great video! would be interesting to see you compare a sled with a snowbike.

[@turcotte16]

Wouldn’t that be a party!

[@Steve-holm]

Bret, You make those look easy to ride 👊

[@turcotte16]

lots of hours into my trade!

[@Steve-holm]

@@turcotte16no kidding !

[@joeyclark8266]

Weĺl i feel like an uneducated bum since watching this ive come to find out you are a fucking living legend boss,apologize for the ignorance and not realizing you are not only a mainstream rockstar , you're às accomplished and well on your way to surpassing those guys . Here's to GOAT status someday bud

[@turcotte16]

Thank you!!

[@jonsouth2592]

What helmet camera are you using. Picture is clear!

[@turcotte16]

GoPro hero max!

[@censoredviking]

The diffrence of those two is the lenght of the limiter strap :p

[@turcotte16]

among some others, yes

[@beverlyboys73]

Great content. Excellent skills.

[@davidanderson8871]

Turcotte, do you think the Khaos or Pro would be better for a beginner? Lastly, do you think the Khaos suspension setup could be changed to make the sled more predictable? Thank you for taking the time to answer.

[@turcotte16]

Hey David! They Both are really great sleds...beginners will love the ease and lightness feel of the Khaos for sure! With some setup time, it can be close to the RMK for predicting its next move! Keep an eye out for my next video talking suspension setups!

[@davidanderson8871]

@@turcotte16 thank you for the reply.

[@MayhemZ2]

I'm on the 21' kaos also I've noticed the softer my suspension is the less lift I get.. check it out!

[@MayhemZ2]

FYI this is my kids profile... lol

[@BudgetGroundPounder]

If your wheelying so much. Aren't you getting more traction, that's why the front end is coming up like that. So you need to move your body & you're feet more forward. Because you already have the traction. So you don't need to be so far back on the sled. You have 2 different sleds your trying to ride the same way.

[@turcotte16]

Yes and no. I was riding both sleds with the same body positioning to be fair. It’s not because of more/less traction. It has to do with the steepness of the tips of the rail on the khaos. Makes a sharper attack angle, which in turn causes the sled to wheelie easier!

[@nombr]

Solid vid, how do you load them that slow/steady? Lol

[@turcotte16]

Years of practice haha

[@cwfarrell68]

Awesome content keep em coming ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@turcotte16]

Will do! Thanks for watching!

[@let_it_ride9216]

Those 850 motors sound healthy

[@turcotte16]

They rip!

[@rylanpickett9683]

Would you say a 165 Khaos would be somewhere between these two sleds? I ride in BC and prefer the trees but not quite this technical for my ability. I'm wondering if a 165 Khaos would give the forgiveness with some 'playability', or go with a 155 Pro? Current sled is a '18 Mountain Cat 162. Thanks for any advice!

[@turcotte16]

Absolutely! The 165 Khaos is a great combination of both models!

[@nch-wf3tu]

Stellar!

[@westsmith5738]

Awesome Edit

[@FeederCountry]

Great video. Well explained.

[@worship746]

Nice - which 360 camera are ya using?

[@turcotte16]

GoPro hero max!

[@2010Greendayfan]

When Noah started the pro, why did the pull cord look super short?

[@thatmodshop7160]

No idea who you are but great video and great comparison

[@turcotte16]

Thank you!

[@thatmodshop7160]

@@turcotte16 no problem! I am stilling running my old 2010 chassis with an old 700 big block

[@davessparetime83]

Just tighten the limiter straps on the Khaos and it will keep the front down

[@turcotte16]

To a certain extent yes!

[@208SledHead]

If I had your skill set, I think I'd buy the Khaos. But I don't. Not even close.(lol) Best comparison video I've seen between these two sleds - thanks for the info man!

[@TheKfilter]

My conclusion after watching this. God damn this guy can ride, I couldn’t come close on either sled

[@Icutmetal]

@@TheKfilter Agreed. The sled is a big part…no doubt about that, but the rider is what makes it!

[@5cent27]

I have $7 to my name right now and I’m watching a video on which $17,000 snowmobile would best suit my needs 🤣. Now if I save for a little over 200 years I’ll have enough to buy one. Hahaha!!!

[@turcotte16]

Never stop saving!

[@lucsergerie1835]

Hi Brett I really wonder if you think the same for the 2022 sled RMK vs Khaos? what riser high are you using? :)

[@turcotte16]

Might have to do a comparison!

[@jarentaylor1617]

Is it just the rails and limiter straps that make it stand up so much

[@SledSolutions]

Great video!