Hey Brett, I came across your PRO vs Khaos video about a month ago and became an instant subscriber. I really appreciated your approach to doing that comparison. You killed it on this one also. That being said, what really fascinated me the most is that I have been doing my own comparison of sorts. I'm 58 and just got back into sledding in December of '18. I had not been on a sled since the 70's. I see that they have been improved a little bit. I'm sitting on 2 sleds right now. A '19, 850/163x3 (VOHK built), and an '18, 800/155x2.6. I picked up the 850 in the summer of '19 based on something Burandt had said ("It is a very forgiving machine"). I hadn't heard anyone say something like that about any other machine. I picked up the '18 this past summer. I wondered if my inexperienced ass would even see a difference. Well, I saw more difference than I ever could have imagined. The 155 wanted to trench like there was no tomorrow, it would dive into turns, and the stuck fest that I would get into did not make sense to me when I could ride right thru with the 163. I was at a loss, so I reached out to Burandt for some advice wondering if it was shocks, or whatever. He said to me that "You just described the exact differences between the 2 sleds. You need to be more aggressive on the 155". Ok, that makes sense as I look at the gearing, track length, paddle size, motor, etc. All operator error as it were. I'm finding that each sled has it's sweet spot for riding. Having learned that, it makes it so much easier as to what type of riding I plan to do, along with the ever changing day to day conditions. My style is more meadow mashing, easy tree riding, single track exploring, and carving easy rolling hills. Age, wisdom, and a few aches and pains sorta dictate my day as to not get to crazy. Anyway, thanks again for your time and effort on these videos. It is appreciated.
@TheJeston7333 жыл бұрын
Thanks or taking the time to thoroughly explain the difference between the two sleds and showing us how to simply set up our suspension for the riding we want to do that day. I'm a big sled guy and love to hop on one of my buddy's 155 to rip around on but still doing homework to see if next sled will be a 155. Your video shows how you have to be creative and more particular on line choices on the 155 if you want to make it up to the top. I've subscribed and will be sharing your channel with my riding group
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input, glad I could help!
@nathanforest77363 жыл бұрын
Dudes reviews are very good.
@ircoll3 жыл бұрын
Awesome camera transition from rider to rider down the trail! Great vid!
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments! I love making these vids!!
@Joe-kx7bl2 жыл бұрын
So stoked for the early fix on my new sled! Thank you Polaris!!!!! I have some good news, we have begun receiving the repair kits for the fuel system problem, so your sled should be among the first to get the fix. Unless you would prefer to wait until later in the season, I will have your sled assembled next week if possible.
@Joe-kx7bl2 жыл бұрын
Customer service has been just great. Appreciate them
@Canadianwildlifecams3 жыл бұрын
Every khaos owner needs to see this video! So informative
@skipheald73003 жыл бұрын
Awesome content ! I ride a 155khaos and the info on the adjustability of the shocks is excellent! Ty for posting that sir!
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@slikskys97732 жыл бұрын
Best video I've seen on snowmobiling logistics! You went above and beyond. I can't believe how talented you are
@turcotte162 жыл бұрын
Thanks for Watching!
@rylanpickett96833 жыл бұрын
SO glad you made this video, I think I'm set on a 165 Khaos!
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Cheers!!
@trymiak3 жыл бұрын
"And I could feel it, because I´m the one riding" Haha, you´re funny!
@markbertoli41733 жыл бұрын
Hey Brett. Great job on all your videos!! Very informative and fun. You found your niche. MB
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Cheers mark! Thanks for tuning in!
@johnhorsfall40327 ай бұрын
Just a follow up. Just bought a 24 155 24 Khaos. Learning it. Perfect watch. Kept my 23 RMK. Both are great.
@thebigbail3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the effort it takes to make a video this well planned and executed. Very informative 👍🏼
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the input!!
@terryknutson32023 жыл бұрын
Thanks for riding these two snow machines and sharing your video. As you said it, "that thing is such a tractor." People love the Snow, love to get out there in the deep, deep. Why do some insist on riding these short tracks in the Snow up to your waist and deeper? Do they enjoy being stuck and shoveling? Have you ever tested a 175"? Wood be interested in your thoughts. Thank-You for sharing. "May God keep us all safe. Amen."
@yt310yt3 жыл бұрын
Keep the videos coming. Best sled content around.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Appreciate this, and you tuning in!
@weezy_af3 жыл бұрын
Great vid!! What impresses me the most is the technical stuff that you went over with the shocks. You made it very simple and the way you showed the real world difference made it even better. I'm excited to go play with my low speed compression on Saturday. Ever think about doing a clutching video? Setup, tweeks, and what adjustments change how your sled acts? That would be awesome!! Thanks again
@jipper28223 жыл бұрын
Awesome review of both sleds. Great video.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@antonsalopek59532 жыл бұрын
Best video yet!!! Great job guys!!
@shawnmoore56213 жыл бұрын
Looks like a super fun day! Really enjoy your videos, keep up the great work you do!!
@cwfarrell683 жыл бұрын
Perfect Brett the only thing I've ever heard from anyone about that suspension is it's complicated Thanks man...
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this helps break it down to the general user!
@Joe-kx7bl2 жыл бұрын
I grew up riding ATV’s, dirt bikes and adjusting shock spring rates and low speed dampening is same same on a Khaos.
@dc-pr6xt3 жыл бұрын
I missed this video somehow when it was posted. I love my 165 Khoas 2.75, it is an absolute technical terrain slayer. It responds much easier to rider input than the Pro but it is not giving up much on deep straight up climbs. The 165 transfers less than the 155 and while feels tamer than the shorter track it can still be tuned to get rowdy if you want it to. The 165 Khaos is possibly one of the best all around mountain sleds Polaris has released to date and gets a bit less praise because of how people perceive it will ride. Great job on the video and suspension differences which people are always asking for.
@k2buildit3 жыл бұрын
Sweet comparison, very cool to see the differences between the two...
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
I felt like it needed to be done! So I went and did it and had a blast doing so!
@billkenyonbk3 жыл бұрын
I’m a trail guy from NY right on the other side of the peace bridge, currently have a matryx 850 VR1 137 and as years go on I’m wanting to get into the back country. This video helped a lot with making a decision on what would be best for me thanks bro
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah dude!!
@ippielb3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation on the suspension Brett. Cat has a decent set up with the 3 positions as well. My 154" alpha wheelies like crazy, i need to soften up the front skid shock when my finger heals up.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
The cat does a good job with the FOX Qs3 system For sure! I run fox shocks on my personal sled for the quick adjustments!
@brycereimer60783 жыл бұрын
Wheelie = stiff front, soft back Climb = soft front, hard rear. I have an alpha and use 3 front 1 back for play and 3 back 1 front for climbing.
@IdahoMthman2 жыл бұрын
This is really helpful for me. I had to snowchecked a 900 165 since all the 900 155 that Carls were allotted were gone. I have never owned anything but 155. I might convert it to a 155 when she comes in
@turcotte162 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@cutznfadez46833 жыл бұрын
I like all the comparison videos you've been doing - very helpful 👌🏽
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@cutznfadez46833 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 of course, got to support my local Clearwater peeps 😎
@hagenrobles35823 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison. I think I’d go for the 155 for how I like to ride . But the 165 is a beast !
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
So true! I’m a huge fan of the 155, Definately intrigued by how well the 65 got me into some of the terrain I put in front of it!
@davesdelta78363 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Great video. Your findings are identical to mine. If you’re looking to tame down that khaotic 155, try a 210lb rear spring and a Pro RMK limiter. Add a Carl’s revalve on those Velocities and it will be money. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
I’m sponsored by fox so my shock options are covered!
@steveboisvert3 жыл бұрын
wow amazing comparaison video. thanx for sharing your knowledge and experience. you are so humble, helping us be better rider and understanding the basic of suspension settings and everything. how do you setup your front suspensions in those type of conditions ?. how do you think the Little Assault Matryx 146 you had recently would have compete with the 2 Khaos ? Keep up the good work
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
The matryx assault is such a spring weapon! In the right conditions it will go anywhere a full sized mtn sled will go! Yes typically I will make ski shock settings changes based on snow conditions. Typically the softer the snow the stiffer the shocks setting, and vice versa
@martintetlock47263 жыл бұрын
Great video Brett and Aaron! If you get the chance I would love to see a video of the new 146 Khaos Slash put to the test. I’m sure it will be a very fun sled.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
I would love to shred that thing! We’ll see !
@mattjohnson2682 жыл бұрын
Great video. I’m trying to decide on a purchase and this definitely helped! 🤙🏼
@208SledHead3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Brett. Thanks man!
@CRC7803 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid Brett! Very informative! And entertaining!
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@briandhoward61373 жыл бұрын
Thanks you for this, I am working on getting my Khoas dialed in, Great video
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Good luck! Have fun with it! Let me know how it goes!!
@briandhoward61373 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 I will, riding tuseday, I'll report back. Thank you
@briandhoward61373 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 I tightened my rear preload a tad more that you did, man what a difference. Thanks for the video on the khoas suspension it helped a lot
@TheTysurfs3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Definitely have me looking into the 165 khaos
@MrAuz43 жыл бұрын
funny seeing you here
@TheTysurfs3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAuz4 hahaha
@ryangrenz73473 жыл бұрын
@Brett Awesome comparison videos you putting out. I'm thinking of switchibg from my G4 to the khaos this next snowcheck. Couple questions, -Was the limiter strap out? It looked pretty tight which would affect those playful feelings. -everything else being equal in your terrain (ie both had qd2) would you opt 3" or 2.75? -lastly how much does a short tunnel make a difference in playfull feeling? Does a 165 play more like a 155 with a cut tunnel? Thanks!!!
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan, the limiter straps in each sled were factory setting -I much prefer the 2.75 over any sort of 3” variation -a cut tunnel on either sled would Definately help with their playfulness!
@ryangrenz73473 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 I'd guess that letting the limiter out would allow full extension of that front shock for the khaos with more playfulness right? I'd love a 165 with a playful 155 feel of course!
@andrewconnor65453 жыл бұрын
Your videos are awesome maan!
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@cletust95553 жыл бұрын
Can explain the difference between the low speed adjustments and the high speed adjustments on the shock? In the last video you talked about adjusting the high speed dial and I see in this video you adjusted the low speed. Thanks in advance.
@yt310yt3 жыл бұрын
I had the same exact question..
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
To answer both questions...I adjust the high speed primarily to have a baseline...then use the low speed adjustments for fine tuning for feel!
@yt310yt3 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 so how were the high speed clickers set during these tests and did you leave them unchanged during each of the test scenarios?
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
@@yt310yt they were set directly in the middle settings as seen at the start of the video. I’m not a suspension specialist so I didn’t want to do a “how to” in this video. I based all the changes made using only the low speed clickers
@cletust95553 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 Thanks for the info. Keep being awesome.
@stevenpold79283 жыл бұрын
Hi Brett, Thanks for these awesome comparison videos. Trying to decide on a 22 slash snowcheck (155 khaos vs pro). When fully adjusting the khaos suspension - just how close does it become to handling like a pro? (exact same, very similar or only a little bit similar)
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Very similar!!
@stevenpold79283 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 Thanks man! Stoked for next season!!
@Yamadeere3 жыл бұрын
Great vid again Brett. Im a bigger guy at 240 & im riding a 2016 Axys 155. But Im wondering if I should go with 166 nxt time around. Do you find riders size comes into factor for track length??
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
For sure it does, a rider of your size would easily benefit from the 165 length!!
@Yamadeere3 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 guess ill have to see what comes out with the new models today. I picked the SKS 155 2.6 sled based on where I ride. Up in north east Alberta a longer sled wasnt really needed. I only make it to mtns 4-5days a yr. But it would be nice to have a 165 for a little easier time when I am in Mtns
@mobilewintercamp75153 жыл бұрын
Hello! I was wondering, when I watch you guys today and other western mountain deep powder videos, you take what looks like trail to get to your riding zone. Everyone rides all across the trail, are you not worried about oncoming riders? Is it not part of a trail system? Is there little chance of other riders coming home that early in the day? Great test, this all makes sense thanks 😊
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Common sense and trail courtesy on the way up is needed for sure! Most of the time we don’t meet down riders in the am, but I ride with the expectation that there will Be an obstacle around every corner!
@FErdr203 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping it real and not speeding the footage up like burandt.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Hahah! Keeping it real always!
@worship7463 жыл бұрын
It would be cool to do a comparison like this on cut/un-cut tunnels
@jennburns41073 жыл бұрын
Sick video brett
@TheJeston7333 жыл бұрын
When playing on those pillows at the end of the video on the 165 where did you have the shock settings at? And where did you prefer to have the settings on each sled for an all around ride day? Leave them right in the middle?
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
The settings were in the middle when I was playing on those pillows! I liked the 165 setup fairly neutral for the style of riding I like to do!
@ASH-cw9uh Жыл бұрын
Very nice, I know it’s a year old but applicable. I’m on a 16 axys 155 (which I feel is wayyy to planted with burandt Fox floats) and have always ridden 155’s but this video and my age (almost 50) has me wondering about the 155 or 165 matryx slash khaos. I’m pretty much done with jumps but still want to learn hop overs/unders better and ultimately want to learn re-entries before I can’t do it…. 6’4” 215 before gear. Colorado what do you think?
@turcotte16 Жыл бұрын
55 matryx! so much agility but also gets the job done!
@SledorFish3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a comparison between the 165 Khaos and the 155 Pro? That is where I am at trying to decide which one to get. Guess Polaris could throw another curve ball at me tomorrow too.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Excited for tomorrow as well!!!
@SledorFish3 жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 I'm hoping for something like 400lb dry weight on the 155 Pro.
@johnhorsfall40327 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Thanks
@синийлис-т5к3 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand a damn thing, but it's very interesting. Hello from Siberia.
@keerzy71578 ай бұрын
its called english
@синийлис-т5к8 ай бұрын
This is a joke, no matter what language))).
@slcbuilds36873 жыл бұрын
Wow awesome video. Always wanted a bit more playful setup so my best option would be a Kaos. My 14' pro 163 is great and climbs like a beast, but man is it hard to throw around. Sounds like I need a 155 for the hard pack days. Great content, thanks for the reviews.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Wait for the release tomorrow! Gonna be good!!
@kimjarlthomassen33602 жыл бұрын
love it :) thanks for cooool videos :)
@claytonmichael52372 жыл бұрын
I ordered the 22 khaos 850 165. I'm torn between the 2 55 and 65. I haven't even road a sled in I don't know how long. I am not an experienced rider I'm hoping I made the right choice.
@turcotte162 жыл бұрын
Both are great choices!
@gavinboser3 жыл бұрын
Saw these sleds at Quartz Creek last winter
@uni38313 жыл бұрын
shed some light on the 600s? thinking of upgrading my 08 rs 600
@CaribouMatt3 жыл бұрын
I have been debating moving from Ski Doo to Polaris but have been scared of the reliability of Polaris. Seeing Brett reaching over for the gas when he’s starting them gives me reservation. I was confused at first because I can start up a Ski Doo after 6 months on the first pull.. I thought the days of the reach over were done with fuel injection. Anyone have issues with their Polaris 850’s? I’ve loved the reliability of the Ski Doos.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Most time’s that is just habit, I grew up racing carbed sleds so hand on the throttle while starting was just normal. Old habits die hard I guess. The 850 motors have been really reliable, I’m loving it!
@Sled.ATV-Magadan2 жыл бұрын
Top content!
@thatmodshop71603 жыл бұрын
I'm a die hard 155 guy although I still prefer 144
@j-dunn37953 жыл бұрын
hey are you using a go pro? Our go pro batteries die after 5min of footage. Maybe because of the cold.. What do you guys suggest to film ?
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Go pro hero 8 and hero MAX...in between uses I stash it somewhere warm
@MMm-px9wj3 жыл бұрын
Brett Turcotte16 could you please do a video on proper suspension setup for jumping the Khaos.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Good idea!!
@Derrick_Neill3 жыл бұрын
So the black(low speed) is the one you move more ? What is the red(high speed) dial for ? Like which one is for more bottom resistance?
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
High speed is for the harsher impacts, jumps, whooped out trails, crossing old tracks etc
@tappedout15 Жыл бұрын
Good video.. what weight are u?
@turcotte16 Жыл бұрын
170lbs before gear!
@machine77673 жыл бұрын
How come there is only 3.5 inches length diiference? I would have expected 5 more inches of track on the ground.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
I don’t have the exact answer for that question. I made that fact claim based on the specs sheet I found on the Polaris website.
@jc96012 жыл бұрын
Brett Can u share shox setting for whopped out trails on the khoas?
@btosborn86262 жыл бұрын
So then what happens when you soften or stiffen both at the same time?
@blaserlongrange76163 жыл бұрын
"Low speed adjusting" is that the black in the middle ?
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Yessir
@tappedout15 Жыл бұрын
Was the velocity shocks tuned to have the high and low speed? Doesnt seem to be standard with the 23's.
@turcotte16 Жыл бұрын
the walker velocity does yea, i think just the khaos version. the rmk version is only one compression dial
@tappedout15 Жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 ahhh yes makes total sense. Was checking out the 9R at the dealer today and didnt notice it, even tho I recalled it from ur video.. it was a rmk tho so yup thats the magic answer.. thnx bud
@thatmodshop71603 жыл бұрын
I want to see the new 650s
@Fatonzzz Жыл бұрын
Could the information in this video be applied to the same sleds on the Matryx chassis? I’ve heard the Matryx is more front heavy and that the 165 Matryx Khaos has less ski lift than an Axys. Is this true?
@turcotte16 Жыл бұрын
new comparison video coming soon! the difference in the matryx chassis is a little less one sided!
@Fatonzzz Жыл бұрын
@@turcotte16 Nice! Will it publish before Snowcheck?
@mlemorande3 жыл бұрын
Great content! Not even a Poo rider.
@gentilejoshsaved16463 жыл бұрын
Where's the 91 phazer?
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Parked
@gentilejoshsaved16463 жыл бұрын
Shit, you need some parts? I got a fresh set of jugs and gas ported pistons. Exciter carbs. Aaen pipe.
@donrochester70373 жыл бұрын
wait, so 165 khaos or 155 pro RMK, that is the question....
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
55 Rmk is hard to beat!!
@reekinhavok4203 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my 2006 m7 lol 153
@jrossrmg3 жыл бұрын
Wondering how much of a difference the weight of the electric start would make
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
Minimal, plus it’s on the longer sled so if anything it wouldn’t be advantageous in any regard
@firdous.bhatsonamarg70803 жыл бұрын
Hi
@mikehd39043 жыл бұрын
Best Kaos?? Yah ok
@Brobro4493 жыл бұрын
i know without even watching and its none of them
@jiggyquinn56353 жыл бұрын
Ha ha "165 little ski lift" one steady rpm. 155 on and off the throttle ski lift ha ha you have to treat them the same to get the same result.
@turcotte163 жыл бұрын
If I was to hold The 155 wide open like the 165 it would have just trenched out and gotten stuck. I’ve done this for a while, I know how to get a sled up a hill, couldn’t hold the throttle at the same rate without wheeling over or getting it stuck