Good afternoon. There are two settings for pre-infusion in this coffee machine. The first setting you used changes the delay time between the infusion and the main flow for making coffee. But there is also a pre-infusion spill setting, you can set the spill time, the set time of 1 second just goes from the factory. The original name of the coffee machine is Gemilai CRM3007L, this is the second version, the first version was CRM3007G.
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Someone else commented about this adjustment. I just double checked the documentation that came with my unit and the only adjustable parameter listed is the time I show in this video. I will see if I can access a spill time setting and if so, will absolutely update!
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Just an update here! I tested this and could not access this setting on the unit I have. Another person suggested a long press on the manual shot button - on my unit this does NOT allow for changes to the preinfusion spill time. Adjusting the spill time is not listed in the documentation that came with my unit. For the time being I stand by my comments. As I said though, I would not be surprised if this is updated on future units. It seems like it would be an easy firmware change.
@phoenixtx10 ай бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffeemy Legato cannot access the spill setting via long press of the manual button either. The latest version of the MiiCoffee Apex now has this feature so I immediately tried it on my Legato to no avail. It will probably be added to future versions. I’ve been leaving the pre-infusion disabled and have been quite happy with the results.
@demerzelnguyen10 ай бұрын
To change the pressure to 9 bars, you adjust the pressure flow vault while you are pulling the shot. It'll not work if you adjust without pulling the as the same time.
@NevrNewd10 ай бұрын
@@demerzelnguyenThat’s not adjusting the pressure, however. It’s just adjusting the flow rate. So a different dose, tamp, etc. will make it so that the flow rate doesn’t stay locked to whatever pressure you want. I’ve gotten used to and enjoy a 7 bar extraction and there is no way to make sure it’s consistent. I’m sure they’ll add it in the next version though.
@nrafaco10 ай бұрын
I will wait for v2.0 but definetely would buy it wirh OPV and a fixed ppre infusion
@DavidFricks9 ай бұрын
Pre infusion is fixed now and they have a free user replaceable control board for anyone who wants to upgrade an old one.
@liquid801hlm_910 ай бұрын
Great video on this. I hope they'll go the same route they did with the DF lineup and the Gen2 of this comes out in a couple years addressing all of the concerns you raised in this video. I also selfishly would like it to take a couple years to sort out so I wouldn't feel as premature in moving on from my GCP to this for my house. Maybe in the mean time I'll get the guts to do the Gagguino mod on this machine and not even need an upgrade.
@ianshepherd64769 ай бұрын
With an OPV I may have bought it but went profitec go instead and love it
@hash51913 ай бұрын
Profitec GO is a well-built excellent machine. Would have been nice if it had pre-infusion though but I'm still considering it.
@ianshepherd64763 ай бұрын
@@hash5191ya the GO is awesome it’s a little take I love it. You just have to be ok living without pre-Infusion. The vib pump has a slow ramp up to pressure anyway so it kinda acts as a short pre-infusion. If you aren’t doing really light roasts it doesn’t matter as much anyway
@46spanner2 ай бұрын
@@ianshepherd6476 I've just bought the 3007Z, it has an OPV
@kyllerkill9 ай бұрын
The pre infusion is great. That’s all I want when I’m doing mine.
@marquishardy234111 ай бұрын
I think this machine is amazing and I've been watching it pretty closely. I am not one to do mods on anything, and it seems with the gaggia it's pretty necessary and almost expected to mod it. The dual heating elements is a big selling point for me as well! Thank you for your review! 😊
@confusedhop61894 ай бұрын
As others pointed out, this is a rebranded Gemilai CRM3007L. There is a hungarian company called AVX that also sells this machine (rebranded as AVX DB1), but the internals are slightly modified to be a bit more robust, and they also sell spare parts so it's quite repairable. Then there's also the Kafmasino One, a heavily modded version, that is basically a competitor for precise prosumer machines at a lower price. So there's a rabbit hole with these machines and how much they're reused in different markets. As for the OPV, I'm not totally sure it doesn't have one, I have a rebranded entry level Gemilai (from the aforementioned AVX company) and after some rummaging around, I found that it has a white plastic attached to the top of the pump that is sealed with red glue. After removing the red glue I found an adjustment screw and was able to calibrate the machine to 9 bars. Now again, this is not the same machine, but a cheaper one, so I would assume the same can be done with this machine. Though messing with it would most likely void the warranty.
@TheMartinChnnl4 ай бұрын
If it's an OPV valve, it should have a pipe that goes back to the water tank, which I doubt it has...
@confusedhop61894 ай бұрын
@@TheMartinChnnl Yes, this is probably an older model, I heard that the newer model comes with a built-in OPV.
@diggpen1249Ай бұрын
Would you happen to know if it's also the MiiCoffee Apex? It looks identical.
@sunrise-vx5ld22 күн бұрын
@@diggpen1249yes
@Kiaulen9 ай бұрын
Just bought this, it comes in this week. I'll almost certainly mod it with an OPV, but then I have basically a half price profitec go, but with less wait for steam.
@KarowatoАй бұрын
The new version of this machine is coming out soon, with proper preinfusion settings and easy pressure adjustment.
@Purple_Hayes11 ай бұрын
The preinfusion has been the most common issue I see raised that feels like a really big miss. It feels like it could be fixed with a firmware update though. Just need to let it push more water out before closing the valve. Could be a pain to fix for units already out there, but it seems like they could easily fix this without doing a full revision
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Totally agree here!
@superknibs11 ай бұрын
So glad you got around to this machine. I've had mine for over a month now and enjoy it a lot. Of course I picked up the bottomless normcore portafilter right away. Opens up that area for drinkware and just better shots tbh. You're right about waiting longer for hotter shots, i got used to that after the first week and just adjusted my coffee prep. I never bothered with the pre infusion mode from the beginning as im always paying more attention to timing/weight of my shots and being able to adjust the 'needle' valve was a big help in that. I still love all the features this machine has that only show up on Profitec or rancilio machines for triple the price or more. Dont get me wrong, once i can afford a machine like that in the future i would probably buy one, but for now im happy with my sleeper machine punching way above its price point. Loved your fair review ✌️
@darrenmortimore17719 ай бұрын
Do you find you need to adjust the flow rate for each bean? Struggling dialing in my shots in this! I'm super new tho to that's also why. I have the flow rates down to 3ml/sec to lower the pressure hitting the puck.
@NOturtle20 күн бұрын
Why would you say a bottomless shot pull is better?
@youngsook9571Ай бұрын
Just ordered as V2 fixed many of these issues.
@Rolando08015 ай бұрын
This is actually a rebranded Gemilai 3007 which sells for about $200-$300 here in SE Asia. Gemilai makes a lot of espresso machine models which can rival well-known brands as far as features are concerned for a fraction of a cost. Hope you review some of them.
@ChrisWilliams-vm1do3 ай бұрын
I have the DF64 Gen 2 grinder and it is amazing. I can’t wait to see the second generation version of this.
@evmdafilipino3 ай бұрын
Version 2 is available for pre order now
@raydioz2 ай бұрын
@@evmdafilipino links always help.
@Tristan_the_ultimate11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the awesome review, sir! Was just curious if maybe you can try a long press on the manual shot button to actually change preinfusion time. Because the long press on the minus button I think changes the preinfusion pause time. Saw this on Tom's Coffee Corner video. And if it does work on your unit then maybe you can make a follow up video to clarify the "useless" feature remark? More power to your channel sir!
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I will certainly test and report back. This adjustement is not listed in the documentation that came with my unit but I will try it and see if it works! If it does, I will certainly update!
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Just an update here! I tested this and a long press on the manual shot button does NOT allow for changes to the preinfusion water output time. For the time being I stand by my comments. As I said though, I would not be surprised if this is updated on future units. It seems like it would be an easy firmware change.
@Tristan_the_ultimate11 ай бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee thanks for the update, sir! I guess even if they are same machines and just rebranded, some resellers like MiiCoffee has more updated models. This is great to know! But man, with the preinfusion actually working then the only question will be its build quality and longevity. These new cheaper machines are really shaking up the market.
@RasenRambo238 ай бұрын
@@Tristan_the_ultimate Working preinfusion plus adjustable OPV, then I am on board.
@davidmarsh115811 ай бұрын
I received mine yesterday. Pretty happy with it. Agreed the pre- infusion is questionable 😊
@loganmontgomery195511 ай бұрын
Got this for only $400 with a pre-order deal on Turin's website. I'm loving it for the money and found that once you get the grind and flow-rate correct, you can pretty consistently get 9-10 bar shots. I've never used one of Turin's grinders, but I'd definitely be interested to see if they have the same value for money that I believe this machine has.
@RasenRambo238 ай бұрын
They do. Famously so. Most performant grinders in their price bracket. Go for the DF64V with SSP burrs - endgame grinder und $1K.
@hash51914 ай бұрын
Hasn't there been a fix to fix the pre-infusion and the steam wand to have one hole for greater steam?
@davidcarlin38502 ай бұрын
Nice Review. I appreciate that you showed us inside the unit. According to Amazon there is a 1.1 version that has fixed the pre-infusion issue. Does it come with a bottomless filter basket ?
@matthewwilson97496 ай бұрын
I really like mine. It's made some outstanding shots for me.
@nrafaco10 ай бұрын
Great review, thanks
@TheMartinChnnl6 ай бұрын
How does shot taste compares to the taste of let's say, a big machine with 5L boiler or more?
@ricric95212 ай бұрын
The new version 2 has the 9bar opv
@jeffjones666711 ай бұрын
Cant wait for version 2 or 3, if i need machine right now i would still go gaggia
@ScepticMatt11 ай бұрын
I would go for bambino plus in this price range unless you go the gagguino route
@RasenRambo238 ай бұрын
Why? It's better than the GCP already.
@pdxrunner11 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to have a comparative review of this. The Gaggia and a Rancilio.
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Yeah I really need to get one of each. Dual heating elements is a big one though.
@garyadityatanojohardjo8259Ай бұрын
Do you have any tips since the steam wand sprout water more rather than the steam itself?
@alexwilson2711 ай бұрын
The only reason I’m a little disappointed I got a Bambino Plus instead of this is because eventually I’m going to want to upgrade my machine, and when I do I’ll have to upgrade all the accessories too. With this having a 58, it would be a lot more seamless. I didn’t feel like going with the Gaggia though because of the lack of PID.
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Yeah 58mm is def an edge over the brevilles if you plan to moving to 58 at some point in the future!
@jordancullenphoto11 ай бұрын
I feel like it's not worth the upgrade from a bambino plus, even though it's 54mm.
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Definitely valid! It won’t be for everyone!
@akfisher713825 күн бұрын
what is pre-infusion?
@ricric95212 ай бұрын
Is that preinfuson short spurt of water the same for 10 vs 30 seconds?
@DaddyGotCoffee2 ай бұрын
On the version i tested, yes. The pause was the only thing that was longer. I heard there is a V2 that I have not tested.
@georgiosgalanopoulos737910 ай бұрын
Gaggia classic and rancilio silvia terminator
@DaddyGotCoffee10 ай бұрын
Exactly 🤯
@TheMark58harr3 ай бұрын
Hi miicoffer machine I know it's a 58 I want to buy a bottom minutes porter filter
@greysuit1710 ай бұрын
Can’t be crazy picky at $500 for this with the options it includes. That being said a few improvements would be epic with maybe a small (if possible price jump) opv, pre-infusion to be actually a useful feature, insulated steam wand with different hole options, & a bottomless portafilter. Maybe a pre infusion option on manual mode. (Is this asking too much?) 😂 but seriously 🤔
@DaddyGotCoffee10 ай бұрын
My first day and a half I was convinced preinfusion was broken but it was because I was pulling manual 😂☕️
@acac434810 ай бұрын
Can you change the PID from C to F like on a Lelit?
@carrscoffee10 ай бұрын
No you cannot bu this machine is the only and best option for the price range without spilling out 1000 and then you might as well got to 1500 its a solid machine
@mtysk11 ай бұрын
How's the steam pressure compared to the Ascaso Steel Uno/Duo which also has therm block heating?
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
It’s quite comparable. Both are about 35 seconds to steam 6-7 oz!
@coreymbonge953211 ай бұрын
is this the same machine as the Kafmasino?
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
Same case. Internals are very different
@doxman1311 ай бұрын
Hi, for the PID, any Offset required?
@jabillon11 ай бұрын
I got DF64 Gen 2, Is this a good option to make upgrade to revile barista? Thanks
@devonmoonie686011 ай бұрын
Yes!
@JeepBigE11 ай бұрын
Looks like a great machine for the price.
@andrewdavis943810 ай бұрын
Bought one on Amazon and it didn't work after two uses. Poor construction, casing was incredibly flimsy, preinfusion might as well not be there, no OPV valve. Wanted to like it but the price was too good to be true, unfortunately. Saving up for a machine with better build quality.
@jwanger14211 ай бұрын
Hey apologies if you already covered this but your audio sounds fantastic. Would you mind sharing what you use for audio recording, I'm trying to replicate the sound quality in my own kitchen for some videos my wife does for her meal plan business. Thanks, always appreciate your coffee knowledge.
@marquishardy234111 ай бұрын
Hey there! If I had to guess, he's using a shotgun microphone since I can't see a lapel/lavalier mic or anything around. That shotgun mic would either be going directly to his camera, syncing the audio together, or to an audio interface or field recorder allowing him to later edit the audio further. Sennheiser, rode, and audio technica all make fantastic shotgun microphones. My favorite of the 3 being the sennheiser mke 600. The mkh416 from sennheiser is nearly 1k, but is a stellar microphone and the one they use on NPR tinydesk. A simpler/more cost friendly option may be getting a lav mic like the rode wireless go depending on your experience/affinity with audio equipment!
@jwanger14211 ай бұрын
@@marquishardy2341 thanks for the detailed reply. Will for sure look into those options.
@marquishardy234111 ай бұрын
@@jwanger142 you're so welcome! Please feel free to reach out if you have any more questions!
@tomscott44388 ай бұрын
Turin (for Espresso Outlet) is probably buying them for $150, rebranding them without adding anything, and selling them for $500. Pretty nice profit margin for zero R&D or manufacturing costs. For $350-$400 I’d probably jump at one, but not for this price. I know it’s relatively inexpensive compared to the competition, but that doesn’t make it a bargain. IMHO, espresso machines in general are grossly overpriced.
@57RazАй бұрын
You are correct, sir. Even with the innovative, established companies, the low-end machines are marked up more, but subsidize the design, development and improvement of the higher end models. But all these re-branding, re-distributing companies are effectively pirating that development work done by others that charge what their effort was worth. Coffee is coffee, but the IS an element of consumer awareness that they are undercutting the industry quality overall if they support these types of low-end market entrants. The established companies cannot compete on the same low costs, so they will have to cut corners in workmanship, quality control, or customer support to make up the difference and match prices for features. That will mean the entire industry segment gets more cheaply made, less reliable, or less durable. Did we really save anything?
@Jefafa7311 ай бұрын
Maybe on a version 2, like the DF 64 some of the kinks are worked out, but for now I would get a Gaggia Classic EVO (USA) for $450 and self mod it with a PID. I'm usually looking for a track record of reliability, so that's why I'd go with the Gaggia, and I consider myself handy enough to do some simple mods. At first I was really disappointed I got the Classic only a month before the reviews for the Legato started coming out, because I would have really liked a built in PID. But I think this product is really going to push other companies to find ways to reduce prices or make new products if they want to stay competitive in the entry level market. Maybe the Bambino line is safe because it is solid for the price, and the plus model will do auto milk steam which is very nice in the morning when you're trying to run out the door in a hurry.
@tagheuer0211 ай бұрын
Gaggia having problems with Teflon flaking off their boilers, many retailers are offering extended returns on them
@robinlawson698 ай бұрын
Just returned my Gaggia Evo , returned it due to flaking, got the Legato yesterday from Espresso Outlet.
@gigin2421Ай бұрын
Latina Altro V2
@dantae66620 күн бұрын
Did not steam milk and show us it in action, could of also shown the screw in action with a second shot. otherwise a resonable review
@Thetache10 ай бұрын
Seems like the factory behind these products is using the first wave buyers as beta testers with the low price as the temptation to get an unfinished machine, then the mk2 will be the real machine with the bugs ironed out. I am at the stage of trading up to a better machine now so its not on my radar.
@DaddyGotCoffee10 ай бұрын
As far as I can tell, they have been manufactured for some time already under the “Gemilai” brand, but are new to the North American market under Turin/MiiCoffee
@jebegonzalez11 ай бұрын
🔥 🔥 🔥
@DaddyGotCoffee11 ай бұрын
🔥💪
@halfwayj276611 ай бұрын
“Welcome to the rest of the global community “ 😂
@LorenzoNW11 ай бұрын
I'd rather save up another $450 for an Odyssey Argo...but that's just me.
@Aiken-ev7zz2 ай бұрын
Made in Foshan Guangdong China😂
@Cccoast9 ай бұрын
Who can spend 3k when this is ~ $500
@carrscoffee10 ай бұрын
You seem like kinda a snob about theses things all the other reviews of this machine have been nothing but good . Even from sprometheus. He is the very definition of a coffee snob and he gave it a solid reveiw. Just saying
@DaddyGotCoffee10 ай бұрын
As it stands, my verdict on this machine in the video is great value for the price and potentially disruptive to the market overall. I even went as far as to say nothing is touching it on features for price. I think it makes me diligent, not snobbish, to point out areas for improvement or places where what is advertised may not match up to reality. If the preinfusion actually did something useful I would be less critical, what it actually does in real world use could actually lead to MORE channeling. I don’t think criticizing this feature is overstepping. An OPV would put it over the top, and if a preinfusion is billed as a feature it should at least work. The warm up time is something I felt responsible to point out as a reviewer and not even really a negative, just something to be aware of. Despite these critiques, it’s still solid value.
@carrscoffee10 ай бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee I was talking about your description of the build quality. It's an entry level machine it's not all gonna be copper and brass . I know you have to mention it but it doesn't have to use the words junk or cheap. All entry level machines are built to have less expensive level builds. I think imo it was a little harsh. That's the point I'm making.
@DaddyGotCoffee10 ай бұрын
@@carrscoffee ok, that’s fair. It does feel significantly cheaper and less polished than a bambino in many ways, which is less expensive. But maybe I should have phrased that differently.
@carrscoffee10 ай бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee again I'm not picking at you at all I did like the reveiw tho
@stephenw17998 ай бұрын
You sound like a pain or maybe the Chinese seller. It's his view, he's entitled to say what he wants. The Turin website is dodgy, links that don't work, they essentially say they don't care about import costs from China. You'll get screwed if this machine stops working within warranty. So get rid of that chip on your shoulder, it's holding you back!!
@BenjaminGetenet11 ай бұрын
My 200€ espresso machine has a 3way valve ... And about the opv, don't be so lazy 😂