Wild West Shootout! Empire vs Dwarfs - Total War Warhammer 3

[@spookydan39]

Lord unsummon should 100% cause the same penalty as your lord retreating, I mean honestly it's no different in principle.

[@turinRTS]

Agreed

[@JustinFike]

this would absolutely be the best fix. You still get the benefit if a bit of a supply refund if you manage to unsummon them rather than have them die or route, but there should be a penalty. If that's harder for CA to implement I'd also be fine with just removing the ability to unsummon lords entirely.

[@williampounds5191]

@@JustinFike Yeah, if all else too hard to implement there's no real reason to be able to unsummon your lord. If them dying or fleeing is the only option so be it.

[@NerexaGames]

Lord unsummoning prohibited wouldn't change things. Afterwards its just lord standing in the corner meta. And really if you prohibit lord unsummoning, you need to remove all those insta-lord snipe spells from the game or you get a really unfun experience utterly gimping the factions, that have no tanky choices.

[@Kasaaz]

At this point the game’s code might collapse if reset tried.

[@NerexaGames]

The build was obviously a meme. Trying to get as many guns into a build as possible and dwarfs offer the rare chance of not being able to run them down with cav^^ Though the optimal build isn't quite far off. The regular handguns replaced with some Knights of the Black Rose at best. But more importantly were the positioning misplays from my side here. Trying to actually kill the cannons cost me a lot of value and all of my greatswords and achieved nothing. And the best initial positioning would be to move the long rifles along the forest lines, guarded by greatswords, so that they can't be hammered by cannons. Terrain matters! Even if the map kinda looks like plain fields for the most part^^

[@HateradeConsumer]

Hey I don't play domination much, why did you unsummon your lord? And why gelt? Does that let you summon another unit or something?

[@NerexaGames]

@@HateradeConsumer its just cheap so that I could bring more guns^^ Damned be the cap of 12 missile units! Other lords don't super fit with the playstyle. Markus maybe, but he costs twice as much as a light caster and does less of a job, if there is no big things to shoot. The rest either gets slapped by dwarfs or is way to expensive to combine with wide gun line. Those cannons getting 1900 value without good targets, kinda tells you how it would be, if you bring a lord that is indeed a good target.

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

@@NerexaGames that's a defendable reason for a lord unsummon, to double down on a skewed build

[@Mazapine]

Respect for not bringing a completely busted build, F&$% the meta 👍

[@deadlyydude5522]

knights of the black rose would struggle tho because they lack AP

[@Tuboshi0815]

I love the smell of flame cannons in the morning.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

Smells like victory

[@wafflebrains2702]

Turin I would love some sort of video that shows the general build for each faction in Domination. It's really daunting to get into as a newer player to the multiplayer side of this game and you always have a lot of builds ready in your streams. Love your knowledge for all these factions

[@dawgman13]

This is a great idea for content imo, I have the same issue

[@SyBorg-to3ni]

Problem is there are no general builds, there is a "meta" build for your faction for each other faction. As soon as Turin would be done with a few factions an update would change the meta and he could start over again. I am afraid the only thing you can do is pick a one or two factions and learn matchups (and play a lot). I think Warhammer 3 is extremely hard to get into as a newbie because most of the good players play since game 1 and learned all the units and matchups as they released.

[@Pook54]

@@SyBorg-to3ni Yeah I think Turin has said before about doing guides that it's not worth it because every time a patch comes along it changes everything.

[@darumanu9276]

If empire has long rifles dwarves should get short rifles

[@chickenraptor2339]

SHORT?!

[@arn1345]

BOOK

[@Tuboshi0815]

@@arn1345 BOK!

[@badgersauce]

That's what grudge-rakers are

[@Attherealkyle]

You’re going in the book

[@Metaguy8443]

Where is the Empire cavalry??? "My horse, my horse, my kingdom for a horse" --Gelt

[@Contractkillamax]

In all that shitty times your work really helps me shutting off for a few moments. Thank you for all your effort!

[@revaril6859]

Always love a Dwarf video!

[@blindwoozie]

That was actually a really fun watch with that many missile troops on both sides, felt like an entirely different kind of battle Makes me hope for 40k 👀

[@lich109]

What a great game. I'm glad the flame cannon has a niche it appears, and all the gunpowder was a sight to see. I love how at the end it was just a graveyard across the entire field. Also, you could add the Long Drong Slayer Pirates into Old World without any issues, the Storm of Chaos supplement which has their rules requires no tweaking to include the Slayer Pirates.

[@seppafer]

one advantage the empire had in this midgame was that since it had ranged units it could just sit back and shoot to soften up the enemy and accrue value while the swordsmen and melee troops massed up to make a concerted push. and I guess the thought with not taking cav was that the mass of ranged would help cover the distance and respond but the flaw there is really the capture weight

[@davidnoble8748]

Damn, the middle ground was a killing field for both sides' melee units.

[@Erebus2075]

love that dwarf built :D so much arti and flame cannon was wanted to be seen ;D

[@donfluffles1154]

As someone who mains both of these factions and knows their workings. this was certainly something, there were alot of questionable choices

[@dmitriyk.2890]

Just won my very first Empire campaign yesterday (never played them before). Always fun to see some less orthodox builds sometimes.

[@shadow-jc3vp]

I love the Death Star reference for the flame cannons! 🤣🤣🤣

[@ChocolatePancakeMan]

Can't watch, at work, but I predict the game to go: Gelt: *blaring Fortunate Son* Malakai: *blaring Ecstasy of Gold, louder*

[@francescobianchi595]

"Your friend will find it is fully operational" is the name of the game here. 10/10

[@lucynamarzec8000]

LB player here. Slightly increasing the speed of zombies would barely have any impact.

[@PlayLikeLegends]

never underestimate that dwarven grumpiness😠

[@DocLunarwind]

God, I love these themed armies is what I live for

[@christerprestberg3973]

Damn, pretty cool empire army, kinda how I like to play Coast. Basicly go pike and shot and arty ^^ .

[@tcxbeast]

Have you played mechbellum? It’s really fun. And mainly multiplayer.

[@andrewendowy1229]

Hype aside, even in ideal situation that 300 gold more expensive flame cannon scored the same as the standard cannon (that has almost twice the range, does not need to be put in a risky situation to shoot effectively and is a better counter to most of the threats)

[@travelalfapet]

Same damage yes but took longer to do it, and therefore probably allowed the enemy units to do more damage in return. DPS or burst damage or whatever you want to call it is a factor that needs to be considered alongside total damage, not to say that the flame cannon is good, I think it still needs a bit of a buff, but it was crucial in this game.

[@Michael-kb2gk]

Karma hunts the unsummoner

[@TheRealElThang]

10:15 SHORT?!

[@Marlerc11]

Why choose Gelt to unsummon? Is he the cheapest lord option?

[@florians9949]

I can imagne those miners stealing the back point wearing troll masks.😂

[@dunderjones]

Markus or even a cheaper huntsman general would've offered some counterplay against the flamecannons, at least more effective than a missing Gelt if they wanted to keep it cheap. I know Gelt is something crazy like 400 gold if you bring him with nothing and you can go really wide with quality units like ironsides doing that, but I agree it's pretty bogus and a naked huntsman is like what, 800?

[@manuelramospetruchena4620]

the formula says faith steel & gunpowder. I see magic but no sigmar

[@christianweibrecht6555]

I wonder if dwarf rangers can counter empire guns

[@Ezael]

"THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!!!"

[@AustinSquare]

no lord, no cav is an interesting strat, to extend the gunline.

[@tinatpasselepoivre]

What year IS it ? 40 k ?

[@majormoolah5056]

Turin in the depths of the gunpowder meta: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZDEknduiM-Fmc0

[@darumanu9276]

This one goes into the book....

[@krzychupl4044]

who would guess that some day we would get napoleon total war gameplay in TWW3

[@badgersauce]

Dwarven spec-ops ftw!

[@HIIIBEAR]

Dwarven fire power

[@konstantinriumin2657]

Dreaded Long Dong slayer pirates

[@gottagofastest]

NOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO USE CAVALRY AGAINST THEIR ARTILLERY TO WIN

[@Anvilarm07]

Hurrah, Dwarf win.

[@nosir5596]

No cavalry build was a bizarre choice, Empire player kinda deserved the L for the Gelt unsummon the second the game started. Feels super cheesy. Funny meme build though.

[@nicklindberg90]

Pew pew

[@Nemesiz00]

Please more Dune!

[@TheMagicalPinata]

Gelt Craventail

[@urarti9895]

Why do you want to unsummon ur lord anyways?

[@kaiserjoe2316]

Do you have a background in horse raceing commentary? 🙂 Sorry. Thanks for keeping WH3 interesting. Can't be bothered with the campaigns anymore (AI is guff and diplomacy pointless) but multi-player is still fun.

[@regulusm1518]

Gg

[@FoogleBoogle]

i never like the capturing points part. The winner should be who survives the battle. No time limits either.

[@petercalhoun5837]

Nerexa big time noob got no idea what the strengths of each faction are.

[@prospero7849]

Honestly, as soon as I saw the Lord unsummon, I lost interest in the battle :(

[@JoeL-ji7uw]

I think Dwarves are so cheap.

[@pjadtron9415]

To be fair this is still the worst match up in the game for Empire.

[@NerexaGames]

Nope. Could have won it with some prevented misplays (going for the cannons) or having better start positioning (going for forests, where cannons can't kill the long rifles). Its pretty even now I'd say. Open maps favoured dwarfs, forested ones favoured empire.