TURN UP THE BOOST FORD FOCUS RS

[@WhiteWingSTI]

Travis man... thank you for spending your time to actually explain what's going on with the car, how it's responding, etc. These are facts. No BS from the typical "car guys" on youtube/internet.

[@Snailperformance]

No problem man

[@finnleylondon2755]

You probably dont care but if you're bored like me during the covid times then you can watch all of the new movies on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my girlfriend for the last days xD

[@hayesharlan1592]

@Finnley London yea, I have been using InstaFlixxer for since december myself =)

[@DukeNuggets69]

Not a particular fan of your channel but i'm glad you're a youtuber that actually show us unseen stuff on the RS , look like the aftermarket for this car ain't small but you're the only one i find showing it , i'm happy for that , keep up the good work

[@BlakesGarage]

+DukeNuggets69 ummm thanks I guess.

[@Zcypot]

Same, he is providing content no one else has. Good choice on his part.

[@DarrenLovesU]

This message confuses me.

[@Nomega92]

Not a fan, but keep up the good work...? Sounds like someone is jelly! Blake, I'm positive if you keep up with the RS videos and Brandon keeps on adding mods, your channel will blow up, along with the car! You've got something going for you two!

[@Nomega92]

Lol just re read that... not saying the engine will bow up, but the street cred will blow up! :D

[@stutteringkid3262]

There is a dyno mode on the car

[@WorldMechanics]

Awesome comparison between the STI and the RS. Once I am done with the Fiesta ST, Focus RS is definitely on my list

[@custom240sx]

you know there is a dyno mode you can enter right?

[@mojapo01]

Travis is awesome.. he tuned my 2017 STI on flex fuel E85, which I run ALL the time. No more California crap gas 😃

[@sbounty3]

Blake, if they have an AWD dyno, why do you guys disconnect the rear while tuning it?

[@BlakesGarage]

CAN WE GET 1K LIKES? Smash the like button guys for more Ford RS mod videos.

[@badams0311]

I smashed it too hard and now my phone screen is cracked :/

[@FCAutos]

Where are you? Sacramento? Great videos BTW, you'll hit 50k subs in no time. Cheers! -- *FC*

[@BlakesGarage]

Yep Sacramento. Thanks man hope it happens soon I should be at 20K in a few weeks.

[@MrSKlim]

Ermergerd, your descriptions are the best thing I've ever seen. Links to my ENTIRE Brembo upgrade swap, with prices? Damn it Blake, you're the most beautiful man in the world for doing all that.

[@BlakesGarage]

+Sasha Klim HAHA thanks.

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

The intercooler upgrade just puts back the power the vehicle already had, that it lost/loses from heat build up. Hence not a real power increase. It just helps keep the power there that dissipates in heat.

[@badams0311]

You sound stupid.

[@Archontechnica]

Thats basically correct. The intercooler allows for denser cooler air which should equate to more power over the pitfully small and inefficient stock unit.

[@ParkerOviedo]

Michael Harris you're a special kind of stupid aren't you

[@christopherhamel219]

Loving the channel. Just bought a 2016 Focus ST. Love the car, hope to upgrade to an RS after a while. Keep up the good work!

[@putraceface]

Activating the RDU while off throttle will not help with getting the rear end to play unless the vehicle is given some gas. The RDU only helps with that when it is being supplied with power. Off-throttle oversteer is usually a function of suspension setups, that's why it can be dialed into FWD vehicles. All activating the RDU all the time will do is eliminate the milliseconds worth of delay that it takes for the clutches to engage and cause the RDU to heat up WAY faster.

[@MrDefining]

I'm kinda surprised the numbers aren't higher? I have a MK7 GTI that makes similar numbers for a lot less money.

[@kapolani9539]

This was actually a very informative video. I'm not a rookie when it comes to tuning so I understand some of the concepts, etc. Just got done breaking in my NB RS. Plan on getting it tuned with TUNE+ in the coming months. Plan on getting a 93 and race gas tune.

[@Arctice36]

Russell Lee go watch Evans tuning he knows much more than this guy

[@Flip_Angle]

Very good! Its nice to hear from another side of tuning. The numbers are not that impressive considering the mods but as you guys said 91 octane is a killer as well as you guys playing it safe. I like hearing the technical side even more than the "driver opinion" because we all know how reliable the butt dyno is. Keep em coming. By the way, Im not even interested in this car. I just like the work you guys are doing.

[@BlakesGarage]

+Neil Porter Awesome thanks for the support Neil!

[@crzzymnn911]

Loving that RS.

[@jpwilliams5264]

Charge temps look like a turbo efficiency issue, not so much the intercooler. The larger will help but im guessing the turbo is sized for low end torque.

[@UCTeeth]

Dude hell yeah more RS! Nothing against your subaru Blake but everyone does WRX or STIs on KZbin it's so sick you're doing something different

[@BlakesGarage]

+UCTeeth Yep it's nice to do things that are new.

[@WhiteWingSTI]

stock for stock... RS gives it way more torque at early RPMs. RS do edges out the STI some... not terribly much but still gains. AWESOME video! No "fanboys"!!

[@badams0311]

Nice to see open minded people when seeing facts. Power under the curve on the dyno doesn't lie.

[@WhiteWingSTI]

badams0311 I love my STI. But I also recognize there are cars that's going to be better at making power, putting the power down, etc., etc. I would rather drive them all than spend time and energy proving things otherwise.

[@JohnnyWhytetrash]

Had a 2017 RS. Put 33K miles on it with no issues. Decided to get a 2018 STI ... Test drove it and it was trash. The throttle response, power, and steering felt like my mom's SUV. Went back to ford and got a 2018 RS in a different color instead.

[@bicyclelessons]

Knock knock. Who’s there? Warranty. Warranty who? Exactly!

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

You guys need to come up with a self tune. Adjusts automatically to weather and fuel conditions, on the roll.

[@justincollado5211]

Theres gota be a way to by pass the rdu problums

[@jose15238]

I get 143 intake temps under normal driving here in AZ with aftermarket intercooler. but our average summer ambient temps are from 110-120. not good for boost

[@kifran21]

I didn't read all the comments so it may has been already said but you can also remove a simple fuse to make it FWD

[@AudioPhile]

I don't understand. Anywhere in oz we have RON 91, 95 and 98, e10 and e85 is starting to make more of an appearance slowly. Would tuning for RON 98 make a big difference in power over 91 like e85 has over 98?

[@bongskag]

in the UK we have 95octane as standard , but it costs around $1.50/Litre I go for shell nitro v-power , its 99 octane and around $1.70/litre

[@Clarity199]

Says Ford rs front wheel drive.. all four spin on the Dyno?

[@xampx2k7]

Love how they compare it to an STI, but they forget to mention the Golf R will make like 340-350 whp with just an off the shelf tune.

[@numinous4789]

People run OTS tunes on those cares? I thought VW owners were smarter than that! o.0 On many platforms, OTS tunes are a great way to grenade the block. Gonna spend nearly $40k on a car? Get a proper tune!

[@xampx2k7]

Numinous They aren't really needed. VAG cars have a good bit more advanced ECU's and doesn't respond as well to custom tuning (but there is gains to be had).

[@samiamdj8603]

I've seen three stock VW R dyno's and they were 307, 310 and 312. I had my R flashed using Revo stage 1. It's supposed to add an additional 50hp with 91 octane. I run 92 Ethanol free Tier 1 fuel. I took a friend on a ride. He owned a 3 year old Vette. He grabbed his seat when when the power band kicked in. Impressed with the power. Me too!

[@numinous4789]

sam iamdj Nice. I'm fully bolted/ethanol-mix tuned/GT2871 hybrid turbo on my Mazdaspeed 3. It puts down 385/380 @ the wheels in nice, cool weather. It's definitely a hoot :-D

[@13Recon19D]

And they forgot to mention that the STI’s block wont crack

[@Prince-fr2lr]

Would you get better gas mileage if you disconnect the RDU

[@mikereed1096]

these cars are going to be very fast with little money

[@SrgBlackburn]

loving your channel! Mostly cause of this awesome RS! Makes me jealous my Focus ST doesn't pop like that as often.

[@idventure6036]

I like your discussion. I live in Sweden where we have 98 octan fuel, how big of a difference would that make? Is there anyone tuning specific for this?

[@Logsi27]

They have a different octane system in the US. I'm guessing you're on RON octane rating. IIRC they're on AKI. So 98/99 RON is around 93/94 AKI.

[@idventure6036]

+Logsi ok. thank you for the explanation.

[@trickmustang1994]

I have a 2013 focus st with a stock exhaust system and I want it a little louder than what it currently is. Does anyone know what the best catless downpipe is for the st?

[@lexist2112]

Blake, are you guys using the adjustable or fixed Tubosmart blowoff valve??? If your using the adjustable blowoff valve, did you preadjust it just when you saw the "O" ring??

[@badams0311]

We are using the kompact dual port. It is adjustable. It really depends on what spring you're using and if you have the factory 3 port hooked up that controls the factory bov. With the ECU controlling the BOV, the method you mentioned will work just fine.

[@Lexist-gn5ub]

Thank You

[@35RSkyline]

such a beautiful car. I hope the 2.3 holds up better to tuning then the 2.0l

[@ericmichel3857]

Beautiful? compared to what? Your mom's minivan maybe. It's a Focus with a slightly different front/rear treatment. It is a hopped up economy car with better than average performance. None of the economy car based hot rods (EVO,STI,...) are "beautiful" when compared with a true purpose built sports cars. Even the low end sports cars like Mustang, Camaro, FRS, are far better looking. These are the asymmetrical fat chicks of the automotive world, granted they are gussied up with a bit of hair and makeup, but let's keep it real. In many ways (to live with) they are much better than the exotic purpose built machines, but they are no work of art. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but in general these are not beautiful cars from a purely esthetic perspective. Do you think the standard Focus is Beautiful? Because slap a wing and a slightly different shaped bumper cover and you have the same car, from a distance, and even up close most people would not be able to tell them apart.

[@MrWarmhole]

Jordan Scheurer you're a fucking idiot. Sorry guys shut it all down only cars approved by master builder Jordan are ok for enthusiasts.

[@chadwick228]

I bet your a blast to hang out with Lol

[@gordonandsandy]

Eric Michel If I'm not mistaken, it's the mustangs and camaros that look like fat chicks when they come anywhere near a track (or track-like situations)... especially when compared to a far more practical daily which happens to have awd torque vectoring 😁

[@briang7254]

Great video, be interesting to see how the dual clutch packs hold up to the additional torque in the AWD system...keep up the great work! ! I think you need an RS...

[@BlakesGarage]

+Brian G I think you're correct.

[@macdawg6403]

Where did you get those rims and tires ??

[@kenc7615]

Why turn the rear wheels off?

[@epyone2001]

Doesn't the RS's intercooler have a portion of it blocked off? Is it possible to remove the plate and dyno the car again?

[@badams0311]

I removed the plate as soon as I took delivery of the car and it went on the dyno for the first time.

[@rolandotorrellas2223]

I was thinking the same thing... Guess it doesnt work...

[@jrzez]

It's only good for a 5-10 degree difference moving that plate.

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

Great vid guys. This is useful stuff as i hopefully get the money to buy an RS next year =P

[@WorldMechanics]

man, I bet you cannot wait. All I have seen about this car so far is simply amazing

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

You dam right about that haha

[@zinner927]

Nice to hear some candid comments from the tuner. Why are you switching to FWD to dyno is it required by the stability or traction control to allow dyno ?

[@badams0311]

Yes, the car starts to act up as the RDU is constantly adapting. With it disabled, we get clean runs with no intervention from traction/stability control.

[@patricklogan4319]

why did you disconnect the rear?

[@Yeptturbo6969]

+blake's garage do u know of any good tunners in the pnw I can take my RS too

[@maycondeivisferrari7422]

nice video......350 cv in focus an 282 cv in dyno ????

[@Bra55Monkey]

So you make the car FWD so it gets higher dyno numbers? Then compare it to an STi with an AWD... Obviously the STI has lower numbers but to skew it even more WTH?

[@badams0311]

Read through the comments so you can understand why it's needed for this car.

[@raf8474]

The way the torque vectoring works on this car if you don't disconnect the rear the car freaks out on the dyno and gives you extremely inconsistent numbers.

[@chrisjones2.021]

+badams0311 you're not much help, are you? Lmao.

[@badams0311]

+Chris Jones 2.0 nope!

[@LivingLifeSlower]

+badams0311 Haha! :)

[@mojapo01]

Keep up the good videos Blake!

[@ispellitsean]

As much as I am a Subaru fanboy I'm glad another manufacturer has come along to challenge them hopefully they can take the FA20 platform somewhere to compete with the RS

[@BlakesGarage]

+Sean Davison That would be nice Subaru hasn't stepped there game up for days.

[@ispellitsean]

Yeah exactly, I do think the FA20 has potential but still needs tweaking to make it more competitive.

[@BlakesGarage]

+Matt Coffey 5k more like 15-20k

[@BlakesGarage]

+Sean Davison Subaru should just give the next gen STI a closed deck block with forged internals stock. Then everyone could tune it to the moon.

[@ispellitsean]

+Blake's Garage Yes! They need to stop messing around with cars that blow on stock power with good maintenance.

[@jaredfloyd8173]

So why did you beed to make it front wheel drive for the dyno if it is an AWD dyno?

[@BlakesGarage]

+Jared Floyd check the comments below.

[@DustinB855]

Damn impressive numbers! These cars are monsters!!! I would still buy the sti tho cuz of the trans and awd system. Gotta give the sti props tho for almost keeping up with it. Can't wait for the new 2.0 motor coming to the sti in a couple years.

[@BlakesGarage]

+DustinB855 Yeah hopefully Subaru will step up the power levels. 400HP stock would be nice but it will never happen.

[@DustinB855]

+Blake's Garage No but guessing around 340

[@xroyal9023]

Should i buy a new subaru wrx sti or a focus rs. I'm torn right now, based off of the MotorTrend tests reviews for each/both cars. Seem similar. So i need help making this decision! Any help will be appreciated.

[@BlakesGarage]

x Royal well I wouldn’t recommend an STI unless you want to dump another 10K into it after you blow up the stock EJ. I would get an RS or do what I did and get an Audi S3. Also the new Audi RS3 is amazing but your looking at 55K so probably not in your budget.

[@jesimoyes4218]

lately I've been wanting to get a focus Rs and put some mods into it. how do the internals hold up with that kind of power in it? do u know how it would hold up once u start getting closer to the 400who mark?

[@BlakesGarage]

Jesi Moyes watch all of my RS videos and you can see what kinda power they make. Also lots more mods on this car. Been holding up great.

[@jesimoyes4218]

Blake's Garage do you expect the stock motor and internals to hold up ok with more wheel horsepower in it? I mean around 400+...i would be coming from a Subaru so that's why I'm asking. I watched all of your RS videos a little bit ago already, you have about 320/390 right?

[@GuhbsBeats]

Hey Snail tuned my 2012 Wrx! Fw motorsports is great, and sparco is dope lol. Sacramento is the hottest hell hole on earth lol

[@BlakesGarage]

+Kryptonlte All true facts LOL!

[@H1GHD3FF]

What AWD has good turning ratios? None that's how many

[@BlakesGarage]

+H1GHD3FF Subaru really isn't that bad.

[@H1GHD3FF]

Blake's Garage My evo is terrible but that's how the cookie crumble

[@badams0311]

+H1GHD3FF subarus have an amazing turning radius. Most cars that have transverse mounted engines suffer from poor turning radius due to geometry.

[@SpencerHogg]

Absolutely beast!!! 😍😍

[@TheArchetypeGamer]

are you going to install an oil catch can system? I would recommend the system I'm using on my 2014 focus, team rxp dot com check them out

[@grandfinish8929]

Thank you Travis!

[@ericcongarcia]

will the RD go E85?

[@joemomma7161]

Subbed and liked!! Please help me! Last year, I bought a 2014 evo x gsr brand new for $30,999 (they still had two 2014s). Ford Focus RSs were being marked up at the time and I'm not willing to pay MSRP, so over MSRP is out the question. What type of power can I get out of the RS? With my evo, I was quoted 345hp on 91 (cali) and 385 e85 for $3,600. Includes flex fuel. And 9k for 400+ on 91 and 450+ on e85. I know they are different cars but if I slap on a whipple on my 2012 5.0, I'm at 600hp. So spending that much for that little kind of makes me not want to do it. Where are you guys located?

[@MrWarmhole]

Joe Momma $700 gets you about 350whp/420wtq I came from a 2013 5.0 and the power will always be better in the mustang. The handling though is amazing in the focus. I haven't tuned mine yet but I'm kinda underwhelmed with the stock power right now.

[@joemomma7161]

MrWarmhole on what Dyno? The numbers I was quoted for my evo where on a mustang dyno

[@scottcraft7690]

Great video! Love the white color!

[@Nirvash24]

RDU has a fuse in the engine bay.

[@WorldMechanics]

thanks for sharing, that's a good advice

[@ryanmattson1735]

How can you compare dyno graphs on an sti to an rs when the rs is being dyno'd in 2 wheels drive? That leads me to another question why dyno a car advertised as having this great 4wd system in 2wd mode. Im sure there is some reason for this since this sint the first time Ive seen this done. You can take these numbers with a grain of salt in 4wd mode you are going to have more drive train loss but i guess non the less good numbers for stock turbo and shitty 91

[@BlakesGarage]

+Ryan Mattson read the comments below Brandon addressed this.

[@badams0311]

As Blake said, I explained the awd vs 2wd. We get this question asked a lot. Also the reason for disconnecting the RDU is because the rear wheels are overdriven (the front and rear gear ratios are different in this car). When connected on the dyno, the front and rear rollers are connected and the car thinks it is slipping so the ecu steps in and will cut power. Ford actually has a 'dyno mode' coded into the car which disconnects the RDU electronically. Cobb is working on this so you can disable the RDU through the AP without unplugging it.

[@samiamdj8603]

My understanding is that Ford was focused (sorry for the pun) on weight, so they maxed out the RS's hp. Basically it can't be modified without things breaking. And what a bummer that you have to add a Rear Diff cooler to be able to rally it. A stupid way to save weight. And what's with the Subie comparison?? Subies are no match for an RS. But an RS is no match for a Mitsubishi Evo, and from all of the video's I've seen the VW R beats the RS. In only one video did the RS beat the R. By 2/10th of a second and the R got off to a pitiful start. Where is the massive hp that Ford touts?

[@halfcocked364]

Make it 2wd and then run it on an AWD Dyno?

[@BlakesGarage]

+Half Cocked read the comments on this.

[@halfcocked364]

Blake's Garage I read that the manual suggests dyno in 2wd. I don't understand why you can drive the car and race it in AWD but you dyno in FWD. Is that to make numbers look better?

[@KJCurtis6595]

anyone else notice he is running windows on the macbook?

[@Bones12x2]

KJCurtis6595 that's common. Most tuning software like COBB etc will only run on windows. So some tuners will just run a dual boot option so they can use windows when tuning.

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Intercooler will show temp changes while on the roll, not much at a stop, on a dyno, with the hood wide open.

[@Snailperformance]

The log that was shown was from a dyno pull not from just sitting on the dyno. Also we dyno the car with the hood open to evacuate heat. Ford engineered the intake on this car to work with the hood open while on the dyno.

[@burlyheads]

WTF are you smoking. Of course you're gonna see a large temp difference when not moving you pillock. No air hitting intercooler = heat soak

[@numinous4789]

FWD results make you feel good, but realizing you'll lose at least 10%whp plugging back in the AWD system makes you feel not-so-good... And that peak wtq ~3,250! o.0 That makes me pucker. Mazdaspeed 3s have windowed many blocks before we realized how dangerous it is to have a ton of torque that low in the powerband. We generally always tune it to be >4,000 rpms on stock engine internals. Hopefully the RS has much stouter rods. Mazdaspeed rods are really solid too; it's just tq that low in the powerband is especially hard on rods. I'm putting down 380wtq, but that's not until ~4,250.

[@msalazar89]

made it fwd to get higher numbers ?

[@BlakesGarage]

+Silver 07FA5 No you have to disconnect the RDU because it overdrives the rear wheels and will do weird things on the dyno. Everyone Dyno's it in FWD.

[@Badxperiment]

the RDU does not talk to the dyno correctly and freaks out. so you have to make it FWD to dyno it. the power difference is slim (10whp) from what I have seen and heard.

[@badams0311]

+Badxp3riment we have done pulls in 2wd and awd back to back. The traces were nearly identical. If anything, 2wd was slightly lower. And as Blake was saying, when you disconnect the RDU, it just releases the clutch packs. The driveline and rear spool is still connected. Plus, the rear and front rollers were still connected on the dyno and the calibration was still set in awd. Number are numbers and just used as a tuning tool. They don't matter. They're primary used to show gains for the delta. It's easier for people to comprehend when you calculate the percentage of power gained rather than just looking at a peak number. Hence why Travis likes to look at the average numbers.

[@oceanhome2023]

M Sal89 You need to remove all of the stuff that might effect the output to get an honest baseline numbers . Then you know anything you see is for real after that

[@BrandonCardoso12]

I know this is on 91 octane but I heard him say they were making 330whp on e30 with the mods done. Idk if maybe it's just the dyno or what but there is plenty of other tuners making 340-350whp and 380-390wtq on 93 octane and around 370-380whp and 400wtq on e30 with no other mods done to the car besides a tune. I'm kinda disappointed with the numbers in the video

[@jrzez]

They're "playing it safe" and he said he's still learning the Ford ECU and Ecoboost, so that's probably why. He's not as versed as say Adam (Tune+) or Livernoise.

[@numinous4789]

What kind of dynos? Corrected or uncorrected numbers? FWD only, or in low rwhp mode, or in drift mode to see what's actually at the wheels when the car has the AWD system going full-tilt?

[@Arctice36]

Brandon Cardoso I've seen a tuner tune a rs with a Cobb stage one tune and the engine completely stock and made 350whp and 415 torque on 93

[@Zcypot]

damn, the car runs HOT.

[@henrykenick6404]

You cant compaire an rs in fwd only mode to an awd sti. Run the rs in awd. It will lose power on the graph.

[@BlakesGarage]

+Henry Kenick it actually gained power in AWD.

[@LastHumansGarage]

i love white paint.

[@LastHumansGarage]

wow stock for stock the RS blows away the STI bad.

[@BlakesGarage]

+LastHumansGarage indeed it does. I can say just from driving the RS vs STI it has so much more low end torque it's crazy.

[@LastHumansGarage]

ya its pretty sweet. not the looks for me, but that powertrain is nicer than it seemed in the earlier reviews. only half way thru the video.

[@oceanhome2023]

LastHumansGarage I hate white paint kind of like a County Code Inspectors or US Mail (Boring)

[@boboclown7875]

WELL WELL WELL. What do we have here @2:20 . Looks like the RS really is an STI KILLER. LOL. Subaru needs to up their game to compete. The RS stock is a Beast and once it's tuned, Baby Godzilla Time.

[@warpspeed9877]

Noah with a driver's licence?

[@ken10do47]

wouldn't this dyno be misleading since you are running this car as FWD? octane aside, there is Sooo much power lost through the AWD over FWD

[@badams0311]

Read through the comments of where I posted regarding this.

[@trickmustang1994]

Actually this car sends more power to the rear wheels than the front. At least from what I've read.

[@sublimekid247]

it is technically AWD but the rear wheels arent spinning but the drive shaft and what not are actually spinning

[@khunopie9159]

4:14 Hugh Mungus ... HUMONGOUS WHAT?? !!

[@fleettech3570]

Hold down the TRC button for 5 seconds and go for a car park drifting session..

[@banez152]

The RS is hurting a lot of feelings right now.

[@banez152]

+badams0311 doing good work bro!

[@badams0311]

+banez152 thanks dude! More coming soooooon

[@xGiLL]

In the midst of work but a new video was uploaded...I made my choice.

[@BlakesGarage]

+zGiLL♛ Great choice thanks man!

[@cheefdub4777]

Isn't it being dynoed as a fwd vehicle.. Numbers SHOULD drop dynoed as an awd vehicle.

[@cheefdub4777]

Nvm shoulda watched whole vid first

[@badams0311]

+tim scallan 👍

[@elvis4059]

like the vid but a $40k ford hatch 😞

[@ginoisshott32]

I Think ill keep my speed3..... 380whp 410tq

[@mattb3910]

"spinning ain't winnin"

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

The STI and RS are pretty much equal in a straight line. The RS is 100-150 lbs lighter than STI, and in proper awd mode, makes about 265 awhp/300 awtq.

[@strengthhonor6470]

Michael Harris you think STI is making 300ftlb of torque at the wheels stock? what are you smoking?

[@allenskaggs8723]

stock pull woulda have been without your methods the car should should be awd vs awd i personally dont care what the difference between 4wd and 2wd

[@BlakesGarage]

Allen Skaggs this car cannot be dynoed in AWD as the rear wheels are over driven.

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Intercooler won't give you much up top, because the RS unit is already pretty good out of the box.

[@ParkerOviedo]

Michael Harris the rs is actually well known for having a poopy intercooler

[@Chase5678]

Why is the numbers lower than 350. You take away power. 🤔

[@BlakesGarage]

+Chris Chase wheel horsepower not crank.

[@numinous4789]

Indeed. And these aren't real RS numbers anyways. They're FWD-only RS power numbers. Once the AWD is re-enabled, it should easily lose another 10% whp.

[@badams0311]

+Numinous nope, that's false. We have tested it back to back 2wd vs awd. Traces were nearly identical. Read through the comments

[@numinous4789]

badams0311 Must be because virtually all of the power comes through the front wheels in the normal setting. It's in the drift setting that the highest proportion of the power goes to the rear. Lemme guess, test not run in the high rwhp mode? Run the test again in that mode and you'll see much different results, I'm sure. Can't argue with physics. AWD drivetrain losses are much more than only FWD or only RWD drivetrain losses. There's simply no controverting this point. I saw a vid of a lightly tuned V6 Accord pull a stock RS HARD.... how much you wanna bet the RS was in high-rwhp mode setting?

[@badams0311]

+Numinous that's incorrect. I guess you didn't read through the rest of the comments. The drive modes do no dictate how much power goes to what wheels. Torque vectoring is always on and adapting, as is the RDU. This car does not "lock" power one way or another. It simply shuffles power where it needs to be. If the car where in either normal or drift, it doesn't change where the power goes under normal driving. Lastly, we don't have a "low" or "high" dyno setting. The dyno is calibrated and that's what it runs. With the RDU unplugged, the only thing not powered is from the rear axles and out. The PTU, driveshaft, and rear spool are all engaged.

[@BeeeeEssss]

Lol 270 HP from stock, really? That is sad. I thought this thing is supposed to pull 350 stock, what happened? You can get the ST to these #s.

[@badams0311]

Sigh... That's wheel horsepower. You know, the real thing that matters. Not crank horsepower

[@BeeeeEssss]

+badams0311 yeah but still, there is roughly 15% power lost in the drive shaft, if that is the case that still only brings it up to 310HP. 350 and 310 is a huge difference. I also know the the US version of the RS is gimped, probably due to the stupid EPA regulations, just wanted to point that out.

[@badams0311]

+Nerd Drivel nope. Not true. It's a global car and the tunes are the same from over seas. I can assure you on that. And how did you calculate a percentage loss in a driveshaft? Or any type of drive train loss in this car for that matter?

[@BeeeeEssss]

+badams0311 it might be a global car but EPA regulations are not. The RS is full of problems at the moment. But that is expected with first year models. By the time I'm ready to pick one up they should have the AWD system all worked out.

[@badams0311]

+Nerd Drivel Nope again. Power output is the same. So is all the smog equipment on the car. Oh really? What problems? I'm sure I wouldve seen something by now with a bunch of problems out there. Especially with how hard we run the car all the time. I guess I must have the shining star

[@TakeitEasyG]

A downpipe wont help with making power? Tf this tuner smoking?

[@mattb3910]

not with these tiny turbo's..it won't help much

[@TakeitEasyG]

/facepalm besides a tune the best performance enhancing mod you can do on ANY turbo car is a downpipe.

[@mattb3910]

TakeitEasyG Not true...best mod for my Focus ST is an IC. A downpipe, when tuned for it, doesn't help much. Spools up a bit quicker (which is not actually helpful). Why you ask? Because the turbo is tiny.

[@TakeitEasyG]

"A downpipe, when tuned for it, doesn't help much." Let me stop you there. A downpipe will 1. Help lower boost threshold, 2. Increase torque under the curve. 3. Reduce the heat trapped in the engine compartment. Your IC is helping lower IAT's, which with small snails is only a problem with prolonged periods in boost. While helpful, only with turning up boost pressure will a larger IC really be worth it. And to do that you will need a tune... So re-read my second post again ;)

[@mattb3910]

TakeitEasyG "A downpipe will 1. Help lower boost threshold, 2. Increase torque under the curve." Let me stop you right there. The DP is not a significant restriction to the turbo. I had a DP installed on a stock ECU ST and then had it tuned for the DP. There was barely any difference....slightly quicker spool up (which is actually a traction hinderance with the KO3) and combustion temps/EGT where not reduced much. The same 22.xx lb's of boost was reached at nearly identical RPM's. #2-IC's...again your incorrect in regards to the ST. The stock IC on the ST is incredibly inefficient. On a single WOT pull, IAT's increase 50-100F over ambient. I have lot's of data logs to prove it (this is common knowledge in the ST community). High IAT's will result in timing being pulled on the stock ECU and when tuned, boost and timing will be limited. Also, you do not need a tune for an larger/aftermarket IC. The MAP sensor on the cold side compensates accordingly. Try again.

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Its not really "drift mode." It's rwd mode, as Ford RS engineers have told me at my dealer that I work at. And with just rwd on, the rear can step out like a mustang GT or camaro, under power in turns.

[@purplesmurf]

pshh shitty California 91, Colorado also has shitty 91 and in the winter our e85 drops to like e60

[@BlakesGarage]

+purplesmurf Ehhh come on let's get some 93 out here!!!

[@fbf01]

Lol 91 octane...that's brutal

[@edqt]

Whats brutal about it

[@fbf01]

Edi 97/98 here in U.K.

[@chriscoolTV]

same things in france and sp100 in asia

[@oceanhome2023]

Fernando Barbosa That’s what life is in California now

[@mrmagnetsarecool]

Nice

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Lots of other western states with 91 only, fuel.

[@DannySarbs]

This awd system is way more complicated than it needs to be. EVO S-AWC and Subie's Symmetrical AWD systems are way better.

[@fread51]

the evo doesn't have a drift mode just like the new Ford RapTor has AWD/4WD and 8 Driving modes it's one hell of a system

[@JMPC90]

+billy heaton lol drift mode

[@FronkG]

so?

[@jrzez]

You should probably go tell the Ford engineers that they're wrong and you're right, figuring it out from a youtube video about the AWD not needing to be tricky to get the car to do what we want it to. Only people I see type out "Symmetrical" are usually fanboys. Yes the Evo X's AWD is fantastic though, but I remember the suby people saying it was too complicated as well lol.

[@osvaldovalencia6330]

+jrzez pips that's how subaru name there AWD. You can even see it on the new cars in a badge saying "symmetrical AWD". Is not just fun boys stuff.

[@fadedgarage6423]

damn 91 sucks 93 can make 300w too 305whp stock

[@Robert-the-atheist]

wouldn't a water/meth injection help quite a bit?

[@mattb3910]

it would...especially when tuned for it and with crappy Cali 91 oct.

[@MIL1120]

let me take it to the dyno but first let me disconnect the all wheel drive..... lol

[@LightningXA]

Just waiting for the Grand total spent on this already $40,000 dollar car. And add in labor.

[@Wandrew6691]

The power and torque just falls on its face tho..

[@Wandrew6691]

And I understand why it does, would we sweet to see what it does with good gas

[@th33b33]

Wouldnt it be cheaper to upgrade a used GTI/A3 hatch instead. Then you dont have to drive around in a focus lol

[@trickmustang1994]

What's wrong with a focus? I've been driving my 2013 st for years now and I love it. It makes good power and gets around mid 30's on the highway.

[@th33b33]

For $40k+ upgrades etc arent you better off buying a german car and go from there? People slap turbos to civics...but your still driving a civic. Thats my point. At least your getting all wheel drive in this focus.

[@trickmustang1994]

True. I wouldn't spend $40k plus on a focus. But I bought my st for around $20k and I love it.

[@badams0311]

+michael bertucci funny you mention that. The RS was completely built in Germany. So it is a German built global car...with an American badge on it. The engine was assembled by cosworth in Spain.

[@strengthhonor6470]

michael bertucci it would if it was the mk7 they make crazy torque

[@stupidchicken03]

#pluskey #snailfam haha

[@BlakesGarage]

Whoop!