Sourdough Levain! The ONE thing that can make or break your sourdough!

Ash explains the number one cause of flat, gummy, or dense sourdough bread and how to fix it with your pre-ferment! She demonstrates exactly how to construct a proper levain for ANY sourdough recipe and what it should look like in order to achieve optimal fermentation of the dough.
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[@san-ramon-flash8077]

I’ve been on sourdough journey since 2020. This is the very first video explaining the levain and what strong starter looks like. Thank you so much!

[@JohannesJunkJournalLife]

I had moldy starter

[@shanleander6009]

I agree!!

[@jgutscher3339]

I agree. Thank you for sharing this information. It's been very helpful for me in making successful sourdough bread.

[@monicaconverse3857]

Beginner bread maker here. OMG, been frustrated with my starter for over a month now thinking it wasn't ready when in actuality it was. Just needed to go to the next step of making the leaven in order to have enough for an actual recipe. Been waiting on my starter to magically grow enough to do it not even understanding....You gave me that Ah ha moment. thank you sooo much.

[@turnerfarm]

So glad that this helped you!!

[@keig2551]

Oh my gosh I am new to sourdough I've had so much trouble even after watching hundreds of KZbin videos. I have thrown away so many failures. I need to tell you that you are the first person that has explained the whole process that I could completely understand. My starter always looked ready had bubbles it grew but it just didn't grow enough you turned on a light bulb in my head and I thank you so much. I am excited to keep going.

[@suelawson7273]

Google The Clever Carrot, simple recipes for sourdough starter and breads 😅 I'm 4 loaves in, now using KZbin to work techniques out 😄

[@VeronicasVeil333]

I had more failures than successes thus far.

[@vickimiller537]

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[@catwithoutthehat]

You never fail until you stop trying, you just learned what not to do😹

[@turnerfarm]

I am so glad to hear that this helped you out!

[@kew32084]

My starter is perfectly active and it is not stiff. It pours out and is slowly runny, it’s perfect. Lots of bubbles all over, very active and you can hear it when you move it around. There’s a lot of opinions out there and I watched countless videos and they all caused a lot of unnecessary frustration and confusion, actually pushed me away from wanting to try. Thankfully I did not give up and am finding with trail and error, experience and time you will find it. Every environment, home and geographical area is different. What works for one person may not work for another. Also everyone has different temps from different ovens. Just think what did people do a long time ago without all that we have now. They figured it out!

[@lizdevries2463]

Yes! I'm new to this and had a similar experience, this video is so helpful for me too :)

[@Tyuvfdhb]

Agreed,

[@mln7771]

I’ve had similar experiences. Try it out. Make mistakes. Even though it’s not text book sourdough it’s delicious.

[@turnerfarm]

Sort of. they lived in large communities of people who shared their secrets and tips and tricks and how to make it better. just like I am doing here. This method shown here has helped hundreds with their sourdough, so I am thankful for the technology to be able to share it, JUST like those people did long before we had all this ;) Thanks for watching!

[@cookingmamaw]

If the recipe calls for 2 cups of starter, how many grams of starter is that please? Thanks. BTW, I love your blog.

[@Bella-oc1lz]

Finally someone explains the Levin and how to calculate ratios! Thank you!

[@turnerfarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@rachaelgirouard4619]

Exactly what I needed to know!!! Terminology was a bit difficult at first just because I’m new but I fully understood what you explained, very clear & the only person that really took the time to show this distinction in all of the videos I’ve watched so far. Thank you!!!

[@Wibb14]

I've watched a lot of videos about sourdough starters and this is the first one I've seen that has gone into this much detail about the optimum starter state. Thank you!

[@nursekiki81]

This was hands-down, the best video that I’ve seen explaining this! Now, I understand why my bread was flat. My starter was more like the runny one, so I probably wasn’t using enough flour. Thank you so much!

[@nanajoyceful]

I’ve been making sourdough bread since 2016! One day I realized that I had tons of starter in my fridge. Couldn’t bring myself to through them all out. So I decided to share my bread baking techniques with friends and offered a sourdough class! I discovered that I love talking and sharing all the things I’ve learned over the years. It was a success and so I taught more.then a friend convinced me to sell my bread at our local amazing farmers market! Anyway, I say all that to tell you that this idea just happened to come up in my feed this morning! Nothing is by chance! After being so successful baking loaf after loaf, I’ve recently started having problems with my results! I’ve been experimenting with different flours, oven temp, etc. but I think your method of determining the viability of the starter is the key to what I’ve not been fastidious enough to pay attention too! And I’ve never weighed or measured my flour/water/starter ratio!! This could be key to my problem of not achieving a good slash and not getting that ‘eyeliner’ and crusty crust like I used too! Thank you so much! I’m going to link this video and your starter recipe video in my class notes if that’s okay with you! You would also get the credit and more followers! Thank you so much for sharing!! ❤❤

[@jamiesaylor4111]

That was the most clear explanation of the starter I have seen for several months of learning. Thanks!

[@LuckeyClover]

My starter started making big bubbles this morning, and im so proud of myself😊

[@ferluiz69]

To summarize,: 1) feed your starter to 1:5:5 (levain, flower, water) 2) Use your starter at peak (or a little before peak), never after peak. If you use after peak, acidity developes and the starter becomes liquid. Suggestion for a follow up video: How much time does a 1:5:5 feed takes to develop ? (compared to a 1:2:2 or 1:1:1 often used in professional bakery) and the importance of a strong flour in your levain.

[@turnerfarm]

thank you for this suggestion!!

[@karendavis8764]

Your starter tutorial has changed my sourdough bread! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!! I have been trying to make sourdough bread for 2 years with very frustrating results. You have truly blessed my baking!!!

[@turnerfarm]

thats amazing!!!!

[@mollybellswallow]

I’ve been trying to work out what am I doing wrong with my starter for two days now. Watching loads of videos on KZbin with no real answers. This video was like a light bulb I know what I’m doing wrong now. Thank you. Subscribed ❤

[@twopeasonaspoon]

Same! I baked a TON of sourdough and non-sourdough bread through lockdown like everyone else. But since moving to Portugal 3 years ago I hadn't done a ton of baking. Jumped back in recently and have been SO frustrated because the flour we get here is only 9% protein so my starter and leaven have all been active, but extremely limp. I've been searching for answers everywhere and this is the first time I've really gotten the actual information I need to fix my problem. I have since been able to find some French flour here with 11% and a whole wheat from spain with 12% and even though they aren't the ideal, with the info here, I think I'll be able to make them work. Like you said, a light bulb has turned on!

[@coreybarnwell2621]

Thank you for taking the time to help all of us ❤

[@christineschlichte7366]

Thank you SO much for showing and explaining what a strong, healthy leaven looks like! That helped me tremendously 😊

[@tiffanytimares8239]

Great breakdown of the stages of making a leaven! I’ve been baking with Sourdough for about two months now and this video was very timely, I’m ready to perfect my skills. Oh and the weather has changed and with it the timing of my Starter and Leaven has changed. This info gave me the skills to troubleshoot! Thank you Ash 😊

[@colincrosby810]

Let’s go!! I’m finally starting to understand this levin game. You rock!!

[@HenkVeenendaal]

There are more ways to skin a cat I guess. I keep my sourdough in the fridge. It's a 500ML container which. It has around 300 Gr in it. Every time when I bake a bread, I take out 150Gr of the sourdough to put in my dough. I add fressh 75 grams of water and 75 grams of flour. After an hour or so I put the container back in the fridge.Keeping it cool this way is just to slow it down. Then I use the 1-2-3 method. 150Gr soudough, 300Gr water, 450Gr flour (9-10 gr salt). After about 5-6 hours on room temperature this is ready for the night. In the morning I bake it in theDutch oven. Works for me everytime. And my Sourdough is always superhappy when it comes out of the fridge, ready to work.

[@turnerfarm]

yep to each their own!

[@trinitymueller3132]

Do you put it in the fridge overnight or leave it out?

[@kurtbjorn3841]

Very nice. I've had great results using miniscule amounts of crummy watery old fridge starter in large flour/water quantities, say 1:20:20 - You are adding adequate microbes and yeasties without a large amount of watery acidic waste. The levain takes longer, usually overnight, but with such a huge food supply, it blows up nicely and will not peak and withdraw too quickly like a levain made with a larger proportion of starter. So, prep in the evening, by morning it'll be close to peak and ready to go... all temperature dependent of course!

[@pawet9478]

OMG, thank You so much for this video! I've been struggling with sourdough bread for a couple of weeks, results were always the same - sad, flat loafs... I had no idea that good levain is so crucial to the final effect, now I did all like You explained and BANG - perfect oven spring, beautiful loaf of bread! Thank You so very very very much!

[@kimboda9019]

This video is everything. I used to add flour without thinking of what amounts and what I was actually doing. You gotta keep the right ratios going at all times. It’s ALL about the leaven you’re starting with. 👍👏

[@davidmicu3359]

Oh my goodness. You answered SO many of my questions. THANK YOU

[@turnerfarm]

Glad you found it helpful! :)

[@lokelani3337]

So glad I found this video! My boules have been a bit flat and this helped me understand how to read my starter/levain. 😊 thanks!

[@QuoteQueen4Reelz]

Thank you! This is the most useful information I’ve found so far. You explained it so thoroughly. 👍🏾

[@narsham852]

Have only been making sourdough bread for a year. But have struggled with consistency. Learned more about sourdough starter from your video than any other. Subscribed. Looking forward to learning more from you. Many thanks!

[@Cynthia-ju2re]

Oh my finally!! You are the best!!!

[@theresamiller996]

This was by far the best video I have watched for what to do with my runny sourdough starter! I am so excited because abuse today I had the perfect starter! I had almost given up after watching so many other videos. Thank you!

[@RomeoSierraHotel]

Great video. This is by far the best instruction video on sourdough starter I've ever seen. Thank you for the great info!

[@GuidoW.]

Very cool and very well explained. One note for viewers from Germany where rye starters are also very common: 8:33 does not work with rye starters according to the missing gluten 😁

[@bartendersunny1]

This is the sourdough video the world needed. Thanks. I’m going to search for the bread video im sure you have. Thanks for this.

[@thedaydreamerplans]

Oh my gosh, I've been struggling with gummy flat sourdough bread. Thanks for making this video!

[@gsquaredmke]

This is so darn helpful. I started off strong with some great loaves, but the last few were...not so great. Now I know why. Thank you so much for making this video!

[@annemarietosse788]

me too. Its going to change thanks to this video!! A friend sent me here!!

[@drrontx]

Very helpful. Clear explanations on how to improve your bread. Easy to understand

[@mestep511]

Incredible. My last couple days were several examples of why this video was so worth making. I was really messing this all up. Thanks.

[@samlynes7015]

People overcomplicate sourdough. You'll know what to look for after you bake a couple/few dozen breads. And yes, your first loaves are not going to be blue ribbon winners, they may even be unpleasant to eat. Learn from your mistakes. Always make notes of consistency of sourdough, ratios in your mixes, ambient room temperature and humidity and baking temp/time. It will seem daunting at first... but; like I said, get a couple dozen loaves behind you and it will become second nature.

[@connieromanishan6780]

This makes so much sense - I was having the sticky dough problem and I felt my starter was not spongy enough. Thank you.

[@nickmateko4885]

Thanks Ash. I'm just learning all this science regarding the starter from different videos and yours helped a lot to know what to look for 'before' attempting to go for a batch of bread dough to bake. My first one ever failed of course - lol - and I was sad. The next try, using a half batch this time, my dough still didn't double in size and now I'm realizing why (soupy but nicely aged/fermented starter) thanks to your help. I can see the leavening technique would really save everyone a lot of possible grief, waste of ingredients and time due to all the various / changing conditions we have to work with. Something I found useful along the way though was to stir the mixtures with the spoon faced backwards, so things can be blended against the side of the container and also pushed back into it, without getting trapped in the concave part. Have a great day !

[@kega6487]

Thank you very much for the Explanation! I will give it a try.❤

[@turnerfarm]

You're welcome 😊let me know how it turns out!

[@marilynfrost8866]

Thank you for explaining the starter. This morning my starter rose out of the jar. So glad I listened.

[@turnerfarm]

Love to hear this! Glad the video helped!

[@suebolton5]

Very helpful info thank you, I’m off to sort my weak starter out, no wonder I’ve been struggling with my bread. So helpful to actually see consistency, a pancake batter in U.K. is different to US pancake batter I think so seeing it has been so, so helpful

[@lenavoyles526]

Yes, American pancakes are a completely different thing from British pancakes. Thick and fluffy, leavened. British pancake batter is much runnier than American pancake batter. American pancake batter is more like a sponge cake batter, perhaps even a little thicker.

[@PeterHardyPro]

This was very insightful! You're an excellent teacher.

[@donjode1]

I had been making Kamut sour dough for about 3 years. I have the sourdough book. I have the subscription. Buying the masterclass and now the masterclass being reinforced by this video has totally changed my success rate of making sourdough with Kamut. 1- the water… I was using tap water😳 2- my starter and levin were not thick enough. Total game changers for me. Looking at the starter and leaven for the gluten strands was so much better/easier for me. My levain always floated but it didn’t always make a great loaf of bread. 3- Ash,s bread mats👏🏼 4- the pulp banneton . 2- my starter and leaven were not thick enough.

[@sheilaturner5127]

Thank you! Makes so much sense to me now! My loaves were a sticky puddle last night and I thought I over-proofed it. Remembering what my starter was like that I used yesterday helped me understand what happened to my dough. I did over-proof it but my starter was my problem!

[@lindseyst.claire1060]

This is amazing!! I’ve been trying endlessly to have a successful loaf of bread. This has answered all of my questions and solved everything! Thank you so much!

[@marvelx8173]

Thanks for the great video!! I am really getting the hang of managing a great starter.

[@txsears]

I am new to making sourdough bread and your explanation was exactly what I needed to making my first bread. I didn’t know when was the best time to use my starter and what that looked like. Thank you!

[@27kjh]

To me starter and levain are basically the same thing. If the recipe calls for 300g of levain/starter, I would do 135g of flour, 135g water and 30g of my original starter. In your example, would you not be using 30g more levain/starter than the recipe calls for…using the 30g starter, 150g,water,150g flour? You did an absolutely great explanation and example of what the levin/starter should look like when it’s ready to use.

[@turnerfarm]

no. once fermented it will provide exactly what you need for the recipe.

[@27kjh]

@@turnerfarm yes thank you. I been finding that out lately, because when I measure the amounts out for the leaven as I said…I’m always a little short.

[@Mr_D555]

New to sourdough and was getting information overload on levain, thanks for clearing this up in a simple video.

[@naomibunch1383]

This explanation was exactly what I needed. I’m excited to try another loaf with this information in my arsenal. Thank you!

[@patriciaswanson2067]

After four years of sourdough baking, I don’t have starter problems. But, I LOVED this video. Will pass it on to friends.

[@turnerfarm]

thank you!

[@christinadzindzio3632]

Yes!! 2024 This is the year I'll be successful. Thanks for your help!

[@sherry7x777]

This is the best video I’ve watch yet that explains how to get a good strong starter. Thank you so much. Finally!❤

[@mnprlgrl79]

This is extremely helpful. And I LOVE your spoonholder!

[@lynneddy8851]

Thank you for showing what they look like!!

[@melissamoves8355]

Honestly I love this video and the examples you gave. This is exactly what I have been doing storing only a small amount of my starter in a small jar then transfer it to a bigger jar that gives me more room to feed it when I need it in a recipe sometimes I have to feed the starter I transfer twice over 2 days to get the amount of levin that I need for a recipe but keeping a smaller amount in a smaller jar has helped me gain a stronger place to start and have less waste with feedings now that it stays put in the fridge on non baking days. For probably the first 6 weeks I wasted so much flour keeping my jar at room temperature and having to feed the starter twice a day. I know your video was about getting a better rise in your bread but after 2 months for myself it makes sense with maintenance. I'm cheering yeah I did it right after watching this and experiencing a better finished baked loaf, perfect pizza crust, native fry bread and more

[@michellekerbs2559]

Thank you Ashley! You gave a great explanation of how to make a strong sourdough leaven. ❤

[@emirfatima3697]

OMG! GBU for making this video. I learn so much just in this alone!!! Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

[@tatianayakovenko147]

Thank you so much! This video is very helpful. I just started my sourdough bread journey, and have made 2 loaves so far. I couldn't understand why my dough turned out so sticky and full of air. It raised beautifully during proofing, but was light as down and never firm. Now I know why! 😊

[@drhelenloney1426]

Really helpful, very clear.

[@turnerfarm]

Glad it helped! :)

[@robinwilson5217]

Finally a full explanation of what, how, and when!!! I want to be successful so bad 🙏🏽

[@1Ggirl1959]

This is good explanation. It is very helpful in understanding. Now I see what has happened to a loaf of mine. Thanks so much!

[@brwneyedsue02]

Excellent video and so easy to understand! Thanks so much!

[@imemilywilliams]

This makes sense. My first batch I fed and used the starter 12 hours later! Yesterday I did 6 hours after feeding and it didn't have as much stretch, but was "ready" visually and with testing. My dough got a dry layer, and also isn't holding shape and tacky. Hoping to still have an edible loaf 😂 always learning lol

[@susangaida321]

This is so good thank you I want to begin my sourdough career and watching you is so great many thanks❤

[@karenlampe5426]

Super helpful! I caught the sourdough bug a year into COVID but never felt like my starter was ready to bake so I finally gave up. Last summer it hit me... Duh! Using bleached flour. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Switched to unbleached and it took off. I've been baking bread every week or two and have had some misses and some hits. Over watched many videos... Your video showed me how the timing of my starter makes a huge difference. Now they're all hits. Thank you!

[@jackiej3155]

I love the Duh! Part😂

[@tammyshelley9723]

Thank you! This has been the best video and I’ve watched A TON!

[@LindaPitzer]

Great explanation. Thank you for this good teaching.

[@Janet7144]

My starter was like the soupy one then I used a high protein one and the difference was amazing. Thank you.

[@leahgillespie1692]

Thank you for this video. When I followed your directions, my starter went from okay to very healthy overnight! Game changer for sure.

[@monawahlstrm2151]

I think I got it. I have baked a lot of bread during some months. A lot of them not so bad. I think that I probably have been waiting a little bit too long so that my starter has not been at the most active. Now I know what I am looking for and how the levain should look like. Look forward to se if it helps me. Thank you ❤

[@dstdrummer]

This changed the game for me! I was getting a decent loaf before, but as soon as I changed to a levain, I’m getting great results. Although, I still have a slightly chewy crumb. But maybe that’s normal? Anyway….THANK YOU!

[@jessicacox6212]

Thank you this is so helpful, I've been trying for a year to make a good loaf and no one has explained this

[@luv2sew2much]

Excellent video. Cleared up a lot for me. Thank you!

[@turnerfarm]

Glad it helped!

[@tamichildofGod8249]

I love the jars!!

[@tahochm]

Where did you purchase your jars! Thanks for the video!

[@kategraham5808]

​@@tahochmThey're Weck jars. Amazon has them but I've seen them less expensive from Weck website. .

[@Misshoney4991]

Yes! I’d love to order some.

[@brucekangas5645]

WECK. They have several varieties and sell on their web site.

[@mysikind8076]

@@brucekangas5645 Great jars from Germany, a little more expensive but for me worth it.

[@eldamonterroso7956]

I want to quickly say THANK YOU so much for your videos! I have been interested in sourdough for some time and your videos are what finally helped me get started. I really appreciate these and hope you continue to make content like this!

[@turnerfarm]

thank you so much

[@kelliesundstrom4306]

Wow what a great video. You really broke it down for us, I appreciate it.

[@luvdisneyworld]

This is so helpful! Thank you! It was nice seeing the comparisons

[@leannekenyoung]

I love all your helpful tips! You are without a doubt a pro sourdough baker! One question about your glass jars I’ve seen similar ones from ikea although they have a silicone ring around the lid, I’m wondering if those are the jars you are using except you’ve removed the silicone ring? Is there a reason to remove it? Does it allow yeast in the air to be captured vs a sealed container? Just curious. Thanks again for your amazing content. I would love it if you took your experiments one step further and made the bread from both to show the variance in the final outcome. I’m sure you’ve seen it many times before but for us new to this incredible world of sourdough it may be helpful. Thanks again and Happy new year! It’s a pleasure to support a fellow Canadian!🥰❤️🇨🇦🍁🙏🏻

[@turnerfarm]

yes exactly. that is why i remove it :)

[@foxyhoot4311]

Fantastic video!!!😊

[@turnerfarm]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@Mike-wh9dq]

OMG !!! I can't believe how infornative your video has been for me, thank you for just being you or in my case like a sister explaining something to her brother without any nonsense or goofyness etc. I can't believe how many people comment that the language (new terms and meanings) is seemingly your fault i.e., that you're making this too difficult because they don't understand this sourdough business yet. If it was easy it would be boring, not challenging and far from a rewarding experience!. A pilot of a 747 does not master his craft without a lot of trial and error so ... to all you whiners out there...stop blaming the airplane, crash and burn a few times then start applying your own self to the ART of sourdough making that it is. Put your own energy into this endeavor and be thankful that we have such knowledable and experienced coaches available to us all for FREE. Start your google engine and research the terms on your own and let this presenter focus on intelligent topics at an intelligent level so that everyone can grow and move forward in this sourdough learning curve. This is not sourdough 101 (if you even get that !) so maybe you're in the wrong class. Your whining only displays your ignorance and laziness. Grow your own mind!!!

[@l.t.4638]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Excited to fix my starter!

[@christinehiggins3624]

Always such great tips… you used perfect examples to show us exactly what to look for! Thanks Ashley, love learning from you! ♥️

[@franzmuhl]

Yes. Thanks for the demo. Just what I needed.

[@espenstoro]

This is a really helpful demonstration, thanks for sharing. I simply have to disregard any hydration percentages in American recipes and tweak it to fit my Norwegian flour, it doesn't translate right. My starters and doughs come out liquid every time, unless I reduce the water by 5-10%. I wasn't sure about the levain, but now I have a better idea.

[@turnerfarm]

im so glad!

[@reneeunderwood7718]

Thank you for explaining it so well I was always confused and trying to figure it out from other videos how to start, you made it simple and in order now I think I’m ready to use my starter and should have a great lavein 🙌

[@suzy4889]

What do you do with your little jar of starter? Do you keep it in the frig? Do you add flour on top to keep it going?

[@Grace-Upon-Grace]

VERY helpful! Love the examples. Thank you so much!

[@TanawanKitchao]

Omg thank you so much this is the video that Im looking for !!! Understandable and have a example so I could clearly see the visual. U are my sourdough hero

[@turnerfarm]

Glad it helped!

[@oiltician2558]

Thank you ❤ for this! This is the first video that truly helped me figure out my problem😊

[@ColleenBuford]

When the puppy walked in.... had to rewind afterwards, lost what you were saying! LOL

[@sandriagutierrez2605]

Back in the day, (30 some odd years ago) I kept way too much starter. It took too much flour to feed. I’ve got it down to 3/4 cup (whole wheat/water). Less waste, less stress, and it’s stronger than ever before.

[@mysikind8076]

Also there are a lot of ways to use the discard so one doesn't feel like it's a waste.

[@412milefarm6]

I get the concept and it seems super strong. I’ve looked for a video of you using this amount of leaven in an actual recipe and I can’t find one. This makes a large amount. Other recipes I’ve seen call for like 100g of starter. This makes much more then that with the ratio being 30g/150g/150g. Can I please get the recipe where I’d sue this entire jar of leaven. Unless I’m missing something….I’m super new and definitely don’t understand. Thank you!!

[@mrydjeski]

My exact question

[@NVScrapper]

I was thinking the same thing. If you find the answer on another video will you please share. Thank you

[@luisastorms7016]

Thank you so much for this honest and great video!

[@codybradford7038]

I'm glad you showed us how to do the levin but can you show us how to make the the bread with that Levin please

[@laurajaneluvsbeauty9596]

Yeah using a thicker starter has definitely improved my bread

[@anytx4984]

I ran into your channel and luv the ways you help troubleshoot sourdough situations. I tried finding your recipe videos on how to make a sourdough loaf...I found none. Can you share a link please? It's cold in Texas and so great days for baking baking baking! May the new year bless you and all of us! ❤

[@joef2593]

very informative and great teacher! Thanks!

[@chrisswinnen7019]

Thx a lot!! Because of your video about how a starter should be I became a beautifull dough 🎉, tomorrow I Will bake them 😊

[@stefanopiardi6930]

It is really wonderful how informative your delivery is. Levain to starter, and back again...Ohh if eberybody would have your command of the subject at hand. Thank you..subscribed.

[@turnerfarm]

thank you so much