TURNSTILE DEEP DIVE + Glow On ALBUM REVIEW

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

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[@netx421]

Fin a few months ago you did an episode o. something and mentioned a new genre called ultra pop? I think that was the term. It had a video of a girl doing some kind of deep fake or green screen suit video in a bikini and other outfits and you said she had alot of views. Can you please tell me the artist that you featured? I'm sorry I can't remember the exact episode and I've been re watching your vids but I can't find it. Thanks mate. Btw I love your reviews and infotainment blend it's awesome.

[@snacks298]

@@netx421 He did the video WTF is Hyper pop with Charli XCX maybe that was it? 🤷

[@RobbieTayVaughan]

Great thoughtful approach here. Can we get your take on Melvins?

[@aestheticbeatz5700]

Cool band thanks for the video

[@aestheticbeatz5700]

Also Title Fight was a band that did hardcore and they become a practically shoegaze band.

[@techdeathhippie6319]

Glow on is a masterpiece . Idc about the style to call it or the genre : it’s just good .

[@gavinchops]

FACTS

[@dakota7494]

I concur. Solid af album

[@Rr0gu3_5uture]

Boo-hoo! Normies like my band now, but now I pretend to not like them but I'll keep buying their shit on Vinyl. Fugazi for hipsters blah, blah blah etc. Who gives a fuck, they're a good band that makes consistently good records.

[@ChannelForty2]

Well said!

[@Lordvoldemore]

Grunge of the future.

[@huntergalloway3944]

This album basically broke r/hardcore. It’s funny seeing beat-down bros lose their minds over pastel colors and alternative influences.

[@startervisions]

sunn-O)))bather

[@huntergalloway3944]

Big Black Sabbath

[@pizzasandwich8229]

Not to long b4 they lose their mind on DRAIN touring playing with city morgue xD

[@tylerwilson503]

@@pizzasandwich8229 they'll lose their minds again when they find that Turnstile is touring with $uicideboy$, Chief Keef, etc lol

[@sting5956]

It’s been happening since the 90’s, not something new and we’re tired of pretending it is

[@brightnessfalls]

As a 42 old guy I have always liked turnstile because it brought me back to nineties hardcore. Kids should definitely check out these nineties bands because they are still worth listening to.

[@ravingcheetah]

As An 18 Y/O Who Got Into Hardcore Last Summer Via Life Of Agony (Mainly Due To Mina Caputo, Who Helped Me Discover My Gender Identity & Embrace Who I Was Inside), Couldn’t Agree More On That! River Runs Red, Urban Discipline, Time 2 Shine, Scratch The Surface, Train Yard Blues, All Are Absolute Classics!

[@farbneyonddriven]

I had not heard Crown of Thornz and holy shit

[@horror_punk_gamer9932]

damn, im 44yrs old, its kewl to see younger guys/girls stil rockin out crown of thornz (check out SKARHEAD, easy to find, same singer of COT) & other bands u mentioned, too many ppl dont explore roots of what todays heavy/hc/punk music evolved from, LOA RIVER RUNS RED IS CLASSIC (LIKE UGLY ALOT TOO & OTHER STUFF IS OK)

[@Jabberstax]

They sound like s Fughazi rip off to me.

[@croatoansounds]

36 years old here, just discovered Turnstile’s music THIS afternoon haha. I knew of them but had never checked them out, I really dig them.

[@IOxyrinchus]

Finnthony McKenntano here, best hat in the game. Back with another album review Honestly though I’d love if there was a “Punk Rock MBA album reviews” channel

[@justinriley2569]

The singer Brendan has a solo project called Free The Birds that’s like, bedroom pop/disco and it’s a really fun listen. The dude is just wickedly talented and has an incredible voice.

[@mattyice210]

Thank you for this 🙏🏽 I’ve loved turnstile for so long but never heard this. 🔥🔥

[@clintbeavers4762]

He’s in Angel Du$t too. Such a talented and creative human being.

[@christophersanzo1833]

He also plays drums in Trapped Under Ice 🤘😎 dude is extremely talented

[@tramai]

He's also their art/music video director. The dude is insanely talented.

[@NickCorreia9]

wait so is he talented or?

[@Xy0ud0ntkn0wmeX]

I'm an old man (52) and I love Turnstile BECAUSE they bring back so many sounds I loved in early 90's hardcore.

[@RudolfHorvath]

Honestly, Turnstile has the whole package - they write good songs, visuals and they are fucking great live. The amount of energy they bring while still playing so tight is tough, it is evident they work super hard. With that being said, I kind of like Time & Space more than Glow On. It felt more raw to me, this new is way too 'dreamy'.

[@joeyraymond6797]

I agree with every word of this.

[@KonwTheTrut]

Agreed. Glow On is amazing but Time and Space is god-tier.

[@DigitalBath306]

i think they kinda sound the same after you heard 3-4 songs

[@WhoBlah21]

Glow On to me sounds like sounds like something that should been on Time and Space, but they didn't want to over crowd the album. Great album though, Holiday and TLC are bangers but Time and Space was what did it for me.

[@Kcasadont]

100% agree

[@johncole6028]

I see Glow On as being a newer generations Refused-the shape of punk to come.

[@31TV_TX]

That makes sense, at least at first thought, I agree

[@Cabal97]

That's a great comparison. Still, shape is soo good and I'll have to give Glow on more listens.

[@davidb4935]

My first thought was that you cant make Glow On without loving the shit out of Refused

[@dalekay9ine]

Really? Seriously? Hmm I'll have to listen to it. That's a HUGE bar to reach.

[@johncole6028]

@@dalekay9ine yeah but just not as good

[@matthewr7593]

Love this album. They just hit number 30 on the Billboard charts, which is a huge jump for them. None of their albums before that hit the Top 200.

[@IOxyrinchus]

To me they’re basically doing the Hardcore equivalent of what Parkway Drive did with Ire: making music that’s really catchy and groovy but still maintains the heavier influence of their older material. I’m all for it

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@IOxyrinchus Wasn't big on Ire but I'm a big metalcore guy so it wasn't my thing. Glow On was a huge surprise for what hardcore needs.

[@olliewhitham6084]

@@IOxyrinchus i just want the OG parkway back tho! 🙁🙁😊

[@XpapricaX]

Lets get this clear no hardcore band should be on the charts.disrespect to the whole scene.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@olliewhitham6084 I feel like they’ll please the old fans too on the new album. I mean, look at what Memphis May Fire, The Devil Wears Prada and Bullet For My Valentine are all doing. Going back to being heavy.

[@allweneed2057]

It feels like what Turnstile is doing with early 90s alternative and hardcore music / style is what bands like Nirvana did with punk from the 70's. They picked up on what made the music good and did it better with songs that people were finally ready to accept.

[@wantstoruletheworld5678]

🙄see where I'm going with this reply 👉🙄👈lol All imma say is yeah maybe mainstream wise/ but Nirvana was not like some kind of 90's version of 70's punk no matter how hard mid life stoners be pushing in the comment sections everywhere I go with "sounds like Nirvana " 🤪 (or some kind of correlation to said band) or in this case legitimizing their sacred status as a "relevant " influence in more current underground circles I guess. They old corporate trash- Btw can u smell my dislike for Nirvana? Lol , I'd say Melvins would be a better example if even that. Grunge was not underground and Melvins was def underground and not grunge... lol I usually don't leave these kind of comments- your thoughts

[@zachary6737]

@@wantstoruletheworld5678 NIrvana didn't go corpo, corpo went Nirvana. They did not change their sound, look or ideas for the public. Everyone molded around Nirvanas image. I get that Melvins where there but they didnt perfect the sound, they have even admitted this.

[@wantstoruletheworld5678]

@@zachary6737 ok. Most people listen to the sound when it has been "perfected " hence the scene kids typically not relating to "the sound " I'm older now and like whatever sounds good whether it popular or not and whether other people like it or not. Hey if you like Nirvana you like them 😄 But as far as their roots go they were industry planted. Edit: also I gave your comment a like so you're notified I responded for sake of convo. Feel free to return the favor bro so I don't gots to go to my history and scroll down through the comments (for convo sake)😄

[@guyonagravitronmachinestan7595]

1000 percent agree with this, not just sonically speaking, but culturally as well. And I'm hoping that it gets to a point where they have the same impact on the modern landscape of music as Nirvana did back in the 90's. Nirvana was a total culture shock back then, and that's exactly what we're seeing with Turnstile right now.

[@wantstoruletheworld5678]

@@guyonagravitronmachinestan7595 😄 lmao man NIRVANA SUCKS AND ALWAYS HAS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE lol

[@MrMerzforthewin]

100% wasn't looking for this record. I wasn't asking for it. I didn't pay any attention to Turnstile other than they were on shows and toured with bands I liked. That being said, i was introduced to Glow On and this is the record of the year IMO. I absolutely love everything about it. I can't even properly deconstruct why. Sometimes an artist just strikes gold. The timing, the sound, the aesthetic all fucking hits. Im in love with this record and they completely sold me. I'm not afraid to admit it.

[@nikopoa6555]

Have you seen this? Magic. The album had been out a month and the audience already know it word for word. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnOad4iwnrp4ebs

[@JoelyPera]

Man. I feel the SAME way. You put it perfectly. It’s so cool to see that other people feel the same way too. I’ve been starving, thirsting for a band like this and didn’t even realize it.

[@bakerbrown6]

Well put

[@joeymils4252]

Turnstile made me fall back in love with hardcore, so happy they are finally being covered

[@cplhicks4744]

As a punk fan born in the 90's I think Turnstile is in the special place of becoming a band's band. I think they're going to inspire a lot of young bands (mine included) to start experimenting with what punk/hardcore really can be in the 2020's. The scene feels like it's been a little stuck in the 90's and people don't really accept any band that is forward thinking like Turnstile. But with Glow On I think that the floodgates might start opening up for newer bands to start using similar production to hip hop instead of pretending like it's shitty and not the future of music. Why shouldn't my band make an indie song with a hardcore breakdown? Why shouldn't we use synths and autotune to give our recordings a more modern sound? The sky's the limit with modern production and genre is dying . Why does my band need to have the same aesthetic that punk has had for 40 years? Let's add some goddamn color to the scene already, let the metalheads keep wearing all black and dressing like it's the 80's, we can be more forward thinking than that. Why shouldn't we collaborate with rap artists and producers to make something that sounds like it was made in 2021 instead of 2001? Even if Turnstile aren't the first band to challenge these things, they are the ones doing it right now and they're doing it fantastically. Their aesthetic is fresh as fuck, their sound is fresh as fuck, and when they get on stage they're as badass as any other hardcore band. The scene will survive but also has to advance into something that exists in the present, and with bands like Destroy Boys, Together Pangea, Fidlar, Turnstile, and a heap of other new punk bands experimenting with new styles I think it's happening. My local scene sounds nothing like the old punk scene from the 90s and that's fucking fantastic. Musical inspiration is great but musical inbreeding is unsustainable. New punks, new sounds, new ways for our music to challenge the status quo.

[@moecowbell637]

Wholeheartedly agree, especially everything in your second paragraph.

[@riv6580]

Did we just become best friends?

[@dominicbornman267]

huge facts

[@ale_calleja]

I think that this album of turnstile remind me not just about what hc is, instead about how a band grow. I mean do you remember the old AFI and then change so much that they just don't sound like AFI anymore, but we all wish that they could have a transition for what they are now...that's why we love this album, because we can feel the T.L.C.

[@b1gnutt]

Turnstile is today's Refused (shape of punk to come)

[@tylerlougheed569]

Holiday is so catchy...even when it isn't playing I hear it in my head.

[@nate-otero]

I keep humming that damned riff

[@tylerlougheed569]

@@nate-otero I'll never get it out of my head. I ain't mad.

[@alextaylor417]

that chorus in dance off is so fuckin catchy too. album is just sick haha

[@Joshua-ww1fz]

DUN DUHNUH DUHNUHNUH DUHNUH DUH NUH

[@PM-vv3uc]

NOW IT'S A HOLIDAY

[@jbasti227]

Can you please do a video on Title Fight? Listening to Glow On reminded me of Title Fight's level of experimentation and influence with Turnstile really taking it up another level, and I feel like they were a major player in a lot of the hardcore/pop punk bands transitioning to that more indie/shoegaze style that we've seen these past few years like Citizen and Turnover.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Totally agree!

[@dannorris642]

This was actually pretty important. It was cool to hear pop-punk bands digging shoegaze, but it was also cool for some of the older shoegaze bands, like Slowdive and Swervedriver, who've enjoyed a pretty good second go-round from finding a new audience.

[@bbqribz570]

i was literally just about to say this

[@Joyceages]

I’d even make the argument that Title Fight’s early stuff inspired (directly or indirectly) pop punk bands liking and being affiliated with liking hardcore, wearing hardcore band shirts, even having breakdowns

[@ericfoster8411]

There are definitely a few spots on the album that totally hit like a title fight track

[@philipbeadle6446]

I keep telling everyone who will listen about this album and band lol. They're so great.

[@1xmikax]

Another band I would consider Turnstile sounding like is Quicksand. I never heard you mention them on your channel before and would love to hear your thoughts about them. Thanks!

[@ryanl.8286]

YUP

[@damiangardiner1318]

If the Bad Brains released and album in 2021 I think it would sound very much like Glow On. I love all the subtle Dub elements that are creeping in.

[@slowdeath811]

I’m such a 90s post hardcore, alt rock fiend, there’s a strange satisfaction in hearing bands like handsome and orange 9mm get a mention. Turnstile are awesome, they tick all the boxes, great songs, great image, great live show, love em!

[@slowdeath811]

@@diydylana3151 haha, just gotta like what you like man!

[@slowdeath811]

@@diydylana3151 fair enough brother! Do you think it matters?

[@slowdeath811]

@@diydylana3151 I think thats a good thing!

[@pekkapietikainen7348]

THIS. Helmet, Quicksand, Fireside, Into Another, Man Will Surrender… I love that stuff, and Turnstile reminds me of that sweet, sweet era.

[@slowdeath811]

@@pekkapietikainen7348 yeah! Some satisfying nostalgia!

[@jasoncecala757]

I'm so glad you mentioned Shelter!!! I thought I was going crazy. Some of the vocals reminded me of Shelter! I'm glad I'm not the only one.

[@allinthereflexes6302]

The video they do for the Love Connection EP really shows the talent these guys have in the Aesthetic department. It’s like an A24 short

[@KnivingDispodia]

I’ve watched that an unhealthy amount of times.

[@grantbrucia9618]

I never liked them too much and that was a difference maker to me. I always thought it looked like Midsomar the music video

[@liagreco3245]

When you said "Handsome" I legit thought you said "Hanson" and was immediately like "They never did a Hardcore album."

[@youthofyesterdayrecords]

Turnstile are magical because they touch the soul. This has become very rare in the Idiocracy based reality we now face.

[@coffincat1465]

TUI, Turnstile, and Angel Du$t all have perfect discographies.

[@Blackwater313]

Because they’re all basically the same members lol love each and every band 🔥

[@Christopherdaviddd]

Love them all!

[@travis8106]

Baltimore is on some shit

[@MarrowEternal]

Check out Slope

[@DMFNDreviews]

I'm glad you brought up Shelter. they were the first band i thought of when I listened to Turnstile and the main reason I became a fan~

[@momo_brobro]

I think another band that makes a different album every time is Ceremony. You can see their gradual progression towards their 80s synth pop/rock record they have out now. It’s why I love Turnstile and Ceremony, they never put out the same record twice.

[@johnleschak4605]

I agree with you 100%!

[@alfianbanjaransari4096]

Selective Wreckage & I Was Trying to Describe You is perfection

[@Joyceages]

@@alfianbanjaransari4096 That’s Crime In Stereo my dude… love both bands tho since I’m a hardcore kid in my 30s now haha

[@alfianbanjaransari4096]

@@Joyceages my goodness, I'm an old guy too! Guess it's catching up on me! Hahaha

[@codytabor3065]

I live in the DMV and never really got into TUI and turnstile despite them being a big deal in the area, but somehow I've never found angel dust before this and it's right up my alley. You have blessed me with a new band to dig into and for that you are truly a hero.

[@Pilipo850]

There is so much Bad Brains I Against I influence on this album that folks seem to be missing…

[@iwillnevergetone5]

exactly. the snare, the groove during the first 15 seconds of "Don't Play", the whammy guitar part during "Fly Again." has Dr Know's right hand and Earl's snare tone all over the place

[@treycherie6236]

my thoughts exactly!!

[@treycherie6236]

she’s calling you ---> new heart design

[@bleeone]

There lots of that… and early Jane’s Addiction… and Warzone… and others. That said I don’t want to diss these kids because they kill it. It’s been a long time since rock music really rocked, and I’m behind it.

[@bleeone]

@@treycherie6236 Secret 77 too.

[@jayzerblade95]

I like Turnstile. I honestly hear a big Bad Brains influence and even 311. I think 311 took them out on tour. That Handsome album is incredible.

[@awesomesquares7023]

this album made me so happy. i love how they can still share a bill with bands like sunami or knocked loose. having this kind of sonic diversity (at least diverse by hardcore standards) is definitely part of what makes the scene so great rn

[@jazzturkey2108]

Up to almost a million monthly on Spotify now, and they were just on Kimmel. Pretty close to mainstream. I'd say another solid album away with equal indie influence.

[@kierenbuckley370]

Now over 1 million monthly Spotify listeners then next hardcore-ish band behind them is Knocked Losse at 700k

[@tysonwastaken]

1.7 million

[@jazzturkey2108]

@@tysonwastaken I can't believe it honestly lol. Literally saw these dudes at a VFW hall not even 3 years ago

[@angelaarmie5789]

I always wanted to be a film maker but I let go of those ambitions and fell into booking diy shows in great communities about a decade ago. I love the way you breakdown where music comes from. You got historical cliff notes and anecdotes from your own experiences. This is how I breakdown and talk about old films in my head and to my friends who listen. Your knowledge helps me further understand helping current diy scenes and audiences who grew up listening to music I did not. Appreciate it!

[@SterlingJergens]

As someone who spent the 90s going to hardcore shows and skating, I love Turnstile, it's def a throwback and I'm really liking the less-hardcore tracks on the new album, it's familiar but refreshing. As much as I can listen to multiple snapcase albums in a row, I appreciate the changeup from track to track. And as for their merch looking skate company\hypebeast-ish, the merch for the new album was done by Carpet, which IS a skate\streetwear company. Turnstile knows what they're doing. It's kinda funny seeing them hyped up now, I seem to recall them getting a lot of hate a few years ago for not being "true hardcore"

[@yoraffetto]

I did not expect to hear an Orange 9mm reference today! Nice callback.

[@markjames8664]

I bought this album on iTunes, which I’m not doing very often these days. I watched the Fantano review, heard it on Spotify, and liked it a lot (I had not heard the band before). The songs are good but the album also flows really well, it’s one of the small set of albums I enjoy front to back. I am not really into following particular genres, I just know what I like.

[@AlexandreBiguet]

I agree probably the first album in years where I don’t skip a single song

[@PaulAndrews08]

Thanks, Finn. My hardcore days were in the '80s in Boston. You just turned me on to six bands I was not familiar with!

[@ezequielcarrascorodriguez7687]

You nail a very important thing here: their understanding in style and aesthetics. It permeates everything, from their sound production to their marketing and live performance.

[@andrade2129]

And makes everything better

[@pescarojo]

Great review with great background. One year later, and the only thing I think you got wrong was their ability to go mainstream. :) One year ago 700k monthly spotify listeners, as of today 1.3 mil. They're doing it. And the hardcore scene can already see the arrival of scene tourists, drawn here by the accessibility of Turnstile. Also you mentioned that they didn't have a big enough personality present in any of the individual band members. I think that too has been shown to be incorrect. Brendan has it. Freaky Franzy has it. And their collective presence is amazing, and amazingly diverse. A black member, an Asian member and now a female member too. They symbolize the modern age of inclusivity,and it really is highlighted by that lyrics of theirs that I see everywhere: "thank you for letting me be myself; thank you for letting me see myself". And that's the other thing, they've got the lyrics as well. I think in your review you said "every line is a lyrical hook" or something like that. They are a truly unique animal. They build on what has come before, and channeled through them it becomes something original and new. I'm an old bastard and I've been listening to hardcore and other kinds of heavy and guitar-based music for decades. Rarely do I find something these days that excites me. Turnstile has managed to do that. Not only that, they make me feel young and hopeful, and let me tell ya, that is something extremely hard to accomplish with my crusty, grumpy, jaded self.

[@BillGardiner]

Man, thanks for the trip down hardcore/post-hardcore memory lane! I had that Black Train Jack CD, plenty of Shelter, and I grew up in Buffalo, NY so Snapcase was ALWAYS around.

[@chrisculpen9205]

Basically Minor threat became Fugazi. These cats didn't have to break up to make "different " style music.

[@ScottMosier12345]

Feeling Helmet and Quicksand vibes with all of these bands. Especially early Helmet.

[@dalekay9ine]

Will Haven guitar vibes.

[@jburdsinfuse]

For sure. I remember getting Driver Not Included and thinking it was just a rehash of Strap It On. Not identical, but also, not as good.

[@SCOODAMcGOODA]

two of my favorite bands!!!

[@comaofbowls84]

The first song sounds like new AFI mixed with Helmet which is laughable. Most overrated hype ever

[@mitchellprizzi3947]

They went on tour with turnover before the pandemic and I imagine playing and touring with them is where the dream pop influence they incorporated on their new album came from.

[@gmitchell5000]

That tour was crazy because the energy levels of the band were so different. Turnstile came on stage and the venue opened up into a giant pit surrounded by artsy alt kids. Set ended and it went right back to a chill alt show

[@flaminghead1va]

Turnstile and Turnover? 😆😆 that's too funny and also perfect. (Plus, a friend of a friend knows the main guys from turnover, so it's cool they made it big)

[@Mazzty]

I figured it was that or them playing Coachella a few years ago. Either way its my AOTY

[@rabbitruler44]

That makes a lot of sense. A few tracks really reminded me of Turnover especially their last 2 albums.

[@jckorn9148]

I haven't been this hooked on a new(to me) album in a long time "Glow On" is phenomenal and scratches an itch I didn't know I had. As the kids say, it's a vibe, it's really really good.

[@particlejim]

That Snapcase - Caboose snare is right up there with the Deftones - White Pony snare in terms of best drum sounds of all time

[@b1gnutt]

Snapcase is criminally under-rated

[@fullmetalfunk]

the snare on the first two Helmet albums is up there as well

[@FirstNameLastName-kt3zn]

Both of those bands got that snare sound from John Stainer of Helmet

[@ryanl.8286]

Very well done video. Lot of Quicksand/Helmet in Turnstile. It’s clear the band did their homework

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

I've been to two Turnstile shows - Nu-School meets Old-School. Songs are catchy as hell, vibe is hella-cool, crowds get totally-aggro when they play. Everything is good with this band - they need more fans.

[@malcolm9996]

For me, being a '90s-born rock fan kinda sucks because I love the music to pieces but missed out on when it was big, so Turnstile's ability to recreate that eclectic '90s atmosphere in everything they do is a godsend. Them and Code Orange. Shoutout to Roadrunner Records for understanding the vision.

[@ljtinney]

I haven't stopped listening to this record since it came out. I'm happy you're doing a video on it.

[@mitchellprizzi3947]

Turnstiles second album is time + space, not generator, generator is just a track off of it.

[@smokin_hulk_logaan8425]

Turnstile is a lot like Deafheaven where I think they appeal to a unique audience that likes a wide variety of music but has an "indie" foundation and with indie music and it's popularity, bands like deafheaven and turnstile with that indie aesthetic and influence serve as entry level groups to an obviously more extreme genre like hardcore or black metal. Not taking anything away from either band, I personally really enjoy both but some of the praise of "uniqueness" is more rooted in ignorance to a genre by a more outside observer type than anything. Again, not knocking either band or saying that they aren't doing interesting things and creating great music.

[@jamesatchison8253]

I skimmed the comments and didn’t see but one person say this. The 2018 album is called “Time & Space” and NOT “Generator” this video was well-researched otherwise, but that was one hell of an oversight.

[@cayeminterviews]

Great points for sure Finn. You killed it. Another couple things to add are their label being a staple and heavy hitter in metal/alternative. Lastly, I think their balance between the contrast you brought up are exactly why they flourish. What other band is pleasing both the heavy hardcore crowd and the alternative/indie crowd? Nobody. They are capitalizing on an untapped market with great aesthetics, good sound, management, and label support. It’s so hard for all of those things to come together with the talent they have. Such an awesome deep dive!

[@oddmnemosyne2869]

I really enjoy how you always find something to appreciate in music even when it's not necessarily your bag. Thorough video, and far from the typical review. This was a good one man.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Thank you!

[@blahblahblah2243]

Time + Space not generator and that song “moon” is the one song on that record that sounds like that. They have “that different sounding song” on every record starting with Blue by You on Nonstop Feeling

[@flyfishmich1970]

It's called "post-hardcore", like Quicksand, Helmet, and Fugazi, etc. Really enjoyed this new release from Turnstile though, reminds me of the late 80's/early 90's.

[@knowledgegod2635]

I can respect what Turnstile has done with their music, Constantly growing and not being afraid to try new things. I do enjoy their newer stuff but nothing rips as hard as Pressure to Succeed and Step 2 Rhythm.

[@sinaiulliel1700]

yes!!! i wish they would play more of those albums live, they finally played Pushing Me Away and Canned Heart in one of their shows in nyc and that’s how i happily died in the pit

[@knowledgegod2635]

@@sinaiulliel1700 amazing.

[@blarghblargh]

got here from a recommend off the fantano review. the extra context is good stuff, thanks man!

[@carlosq1020]

Bands have been trying to expand the bounds of hardcore since the 80s. Husker Du went from a pretty straight forward hardcore band to basically inventing alt rock. This is absolutely not anything new and hardcore dudes that are upset at the sound change don’t know hardcore history

[@markwrenn5965]

Yes. I love fuckin Snapcase. This is literally the only channel(s) where I will ever hear someone speak of Snapcase. And that's why I love you

[@HessianHunter]

My joke about Turnstile is "I didn't know it was possible to sound like straight edge and like drugs at the same time". It's cool to learn about capital "H" Hardcore bands that were getting weird and funky back in the 90s too. I had never heard of Handsome before and that track absolutely rips.

[@tyler951]

Now up to 1.16 million monthly Spotify listeners. Just bought tickets for Nov 11th in San Antonio with Snail Mail. Not many seats available in a ~1500 cap venue. I'll be watching the kids go nuts on the floor from safety up above. :D

[@winnguyen1407]

You should’ve mentioned the Blood Orange features on this album. I know it’s not an essential part that’s helped boost their existence but it definitely is super cool to see it be a thing.

[@pizzabb8112]

100%

[@Kerbycine]

Thanks Finn, checking this out from Sydney Aus. Found this deep dive really interesting and now I am going to go check out those other influences you mentioned and buy a ticket to Turnstile's live show.

[@complexmanifold]

So the first time I heard this band I was hooked and began exploring why I loved them so much and then it hit me. You see I played bass in a NYC band called October's March in the early 90's. We played heavy rock with lots of influences from our ethnic backgrounds (two Greeks, an Argentinian, a half Grenadian Ghanian and me Puerto Rock from the Bronx) So we mixed in Latin rhythms and Freestyle, Hip hop swagger, Dancehall Reggae with the heavy sounds (also from various heavy genres). As a young boy in the early eighties I was smitten by Bad Brains and Dead Kennedys and did the whole CBGBs Hardcore matinee thing but I loved to listen and play all kinds of music. Maybe on the East coast we get that global music perspective from our port cities (think Liverpool getting blues and rock records from America ). With all these stylistic influence we played heavy but used danceable bass lines and polyrhythmic drumming. Fast forward to Turnstile and I'm like wow! These kids have picked up the torch on this style and have really given it more form and direction. So Finn is right that Post Hardcore sound is a proto version of where Turnstile is today, that is the musical DNA. They however should be wise to keep the musical language of hardcore central to their sound. The two step beat that whirling dervish sound that whips up crowds, Hardcore is a great release and is key to their success much like how Nirvana married Post Punk with Power Pop. Their audience is so incredibly diverse and they are so astute about the mechanics, meaning and etiquette of moshing (slam dancing) It warms this old farts heart! The kids are indeed all fuckin' right!

[@breathingunderwater]

I want to hear your band!

[@christosiliopoulos4633]

When I first listened to Holiday I was instantly reminded me of Mantra era Shelter.

[@a1ansxe]

I love that Finn does to the internet what I have always done to my friends "listen to these 15 10seconds clips and how much it sounds like x band!" I feel validated.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Don’t want copyright claims or a 1 hour video

[@mickebrunkvist]

THIS^

[@nickdillinger]

I'm so so happy you're doing a video about this. Your take on this album is exactly what I wanted to hear.

[@allkillergaming5623]

I just call them Hardcore Jane’s Addiction 🤷🏻‍♂️ Love Turnstile! And thanks for introducing me to all the bands that you did in this video!

[@Roobencharmer1]

When I first heard of them a year ago I wanna say. They reminded me of a mix of 311 and Mother Love Bone with a sprinkle of EVERYTHING Hardcore. Some good chit fo sho!

[@_ericc.]

I really loved this album. I’ve been into them for a while now but never loved them and wanted them to do something a little different. this album 100% met that for me

[@shauncullen3989]

Nice vid. Overview of that 90s alt-rock/post-hardcore sweet spot brought back a lot of memories and exposed me to new stuff too!

[@MrDrewEdge]

D-fang deserves credit for being the drummer in basically all of the best hardcore/punk adjacent bands of the last 15 years.

[@yunak9665]

I'm an old fart and new to Turnstile. In them I hear a lot of mid-to-late 80s/early 90s East and West Coast stuff when we started to realize that skating was all about a crazy blend on the boom box and genres started to cross over. Bad Brains/Beefeater/Scream, Avail aspects, DRI/Suicidal, RKL/Lagwagon, and even 7 Seconds. I don't know NYC hardcore at all or really any hardcore so I can't comment on influences there. I like them a lot because they draw from a ton of influences an inject pop culture even if it's that early 90s neon/baggy highwater jeans Nike overload gear. Really cool breakdown video. Killer stuff!

[@mannyprieres7150]

Handsome was so underrated! Saw them live and blew me away. I was into all that post HC stuff. Like Shift, Quicksand and Orange 9mm.

[@joba311]

thanks for your point of view!!!!! Turnstile really is a game changer in music right now!!!! I would love to hear your opinion on the npr tiny desk and playing in the late night with seth meyers... It is really an awesome time for them and very well deserved!!!!! hope they continue growing!!!

[@JTPxMETAL]

I’m too lazy to do it myself, but I’d love if someone made a playlist with all the bands you discussed here lol

[@hive04]

kzbin.info/aero/PLgJge2Bxz2NzvgAMgeLZb8Fj3mwD5tdg2

[@KnivingDispodia]

@@hive04 Good man, good man

[@flaminghead1va]

I'd love it too ***on Spotify(?) cough*** 😅😇😇

[@chevals5840]

@@hive04 the hero we deserve xxxxx

[@peterogrodnick5693]

Step to Rhythm is FANTASTIC. I have been obsessed with this band ever since I discovered them. Can’t wait to see them live in Vegas at Sick New World!!

[@scottiequality1981]

When I first heard Turnstile I was like “this is like if 311 was good” my dude said “yeah, it’s like hardcore lite” We both agreed it’s good and accessible. If it gets kids into HC, that’s cool.

[@tommyproductions891]

as a kid who just got "into HC", what other good hc is there?

[@rayplaysgames_RPG]

If 311 was good? 311 is one of the greatest bands of all time.

[@xxZaCh667]

All the bands/songs you showcased that were Turnstile adjacent were sick. I've got a lot of stuff to listen and catch up on. Always appreciate your input on new music and the influences that came before.

[@Eddie8a]

Loving the hardcore history content! I know popular music is what gets you views, but I originally subscribed for hardcore.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

I can't talk about punk and hardcore very often, but it's fun to do sometimes!

[@fromfleshtosteel-24]

Very honest review , I like Turnstile and i heard some of the reference you gave in this vid. I would add also some Rival School vein when we talk about some melodic and bouncy songs such as Mystery

[@royboy1984]

The song "Gravity" combines the best elements of Tough-Guy hardcore with 311. My friend said 311 gave a shout out to Turnstile at their Baltimore show.

[@cundionfire]

@@frankiew311 i thought it was just me but every time they do those spacey sounding clean vocals it always reminded me of nick hexum

[@HowiSpangler]

Yeah I was there that night. He gave them a good shout out

[@DishGuy]

Hey Finn, I really enjoyed your honesty and insight in your review. I'm a geezer, grew up through the 60's, and attached myself to bands that weren't in the mainstream. Thanks for pointing out NY Hardcore '90s bands that I never knew about. I really like the fact that you don't trash anybody, just state that it's not your thing, and still give them credit. Tip Top review, rock and roll is ever evolving, may it bring some comfort to our souls going forward!

[@dannorris642]

Love Turnstile! Been into em since Nonstop Feeling. They're cool and foward-thinking, but they totally honor the past. And, I'm pretty sure if I were to play them for the kids on my bus, they would love them. This new record seems to be pretty huge. I tried to pick it up at a record store, over the weekend, and they were completely sold out of it.

[@Muhahahaaaaaaa]

I heard this album for the first time last week. One of the best albums ever made

[@ramentaco9179]

Turnstile gets me moshing harder than any band, and the groovy beats and catchy hooks are part of that. Sounding good doesn’t mean you’re less hardcore in my opinion

[@BarronVonSchnoot]

This album reminds me a lot of S.C.I.E.N.C.E. by Incubus. Nothing about this record sounds like hardcore, to me. It would have gotten a lot of radio play in 1997.

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

18:35 saw them at the MCR concert in Raleigh and fell in love!! Their energy is absolutely amazing and I couldn’t wait to get home and check out their music!!

[@rainydayaudio]

I’m just glad a hardcore band like them came from Maryland where I live. Definitely want more music rep besides ATL, Good Charlotte, Animal Collective, and Beach House from a state where all we have is one of the most dangerous cities in the country and crabs lmao

[@cultreader9751]

Same here,both in sharing your sentiments and being a Marylander.

[@jschrager23]

Opening for Blink 182 next year....they are growing at a super fast pace. I saw them last night at orlando house of blues and that place was PACKED!

[@MrBradso]

This record reminds me of the direction that Hundredth went in. I really like both bands and all of their records, and they definitely both seem to be going in the same direction.

[@Jtitor177]

You nailed it. So many hardcore bands...and punk bands got wrapped up in the alternative music craze in the 90s and adapted.

[@lorenzoj1923]

I think what you failed didn’t include is the fact that before the T.L.C art video came about, about six to eight months ago, Turnstile was hovering around 300 thousand monthly listeners, within this 6 month period I’ve seen their monthly listeners skyrocket to where it is now (almost 800k) edit( haha yesterday they were 790 and now they’re at 812)

[@Icynova]

Interesting

[@ryanholt9747]

Step 2 Rhythm is what really got me hooked. Still feeling out the new stuff

[@aldaaa]

yeah man it is a great record, did you listen nonstop feeling, it is my favorite turnstile album

[@brognarly3827]

It's weird how hard he's trying to prove that turnstile didnt do anything new or special

[@rvth13ss]

I was really stoked to type in Punk Rock MBA Turnstile and find this Deep Dive. It would be really awesome to see more of these and hear you speak on bands entire catalogue.

[@bobbyp8009]

Wish I would’ve seen them back in the beginning because these days they’re definitely an alternative band with flashes of hardcore. I appreciate it for what it is nonetheless

[@rianlewis2324]

I saw them when they released Time and space and they fucking killed it. Moshing crowd surfing the whole hardcore thing. Highly recommend still seeing them

[@jamesbutler865]

I was at the baltimore show. They don't play the more alternative songs live. That being said some of the alternative songs really get you moving.

[@zachary6737]

I hate this labeling shit lol. You go to a Turnstile show and you will see nothing but a hardcore show. Hardcore can be more than just one thing.

[@jamesbutler865]

@@zachary6737 That was the first hardcore show I’ve been too. Within the first 30 seconds people were jumping off the stage. Its pretty awesome that they filmed it and posted it on their KZbin. My first ever stage dive is forever cemented on the inter webs!

[@rianlewis2324]

@@zachary6737 agreed

[@stevehettinger7709]

Great review. Good job with pointing out other bands in the same vein. Some I hadn't heard of. Big Orange 9mm fan back in the day.

[@stewartdowouis9218]

Love Turnstile. Mainly cuz they sound to me like a 2021 version of Shelter. In fact, I forget sometimes while I’m listening to them that it’s not Ray Cappo singing. *Just got to the part where you mention Shelter and HANDSOME. Right on! That Handsome record is one of my favorites of all time. Criminally underrated.

[@Tikitackfouls]

Head to hole