Turrican II Comparison In Order Of Greatness (A true Classic)

[@frankfortfcgoc]

Great upload of an awesome game,great stuff,awesome channel,your knowledge and understanding of what some of these games meant shows your love for retro gaming,can only see you going from strength to strength,best of luckn

[@oldstylegaming]

Thanks man I think I've said this before I don't rate games on gameplay, looks, sound and hardware capabilities alone...yeah they play a big part in my rankings but the overall experience and that includes memories is how I ultimately come to an order...maybe c64 biased comes in now and then but I try to suppress that haha

[@hottuna08]

I grew up with Turrican, and Turrican 2 as a teenager, and some of the best memories ever. I know every inch of both these games and share your passion 👍

[@ΣπύροςΚουκάκης-ι6β]

Amiga.....,the best home computer ever!!!!

[@alkolove1]

ZX Spectrum.....,the best home computer ever!!!! amiga.......suxx

[@ΣπύροςΚουκάκης-ι6β]

Ok Mr ALKO.......!!!...ZX spectrum,Amiga, Playstation 1...the best home computers ever !!!!

[@alkolove1]

@@ΣπύροςΚουκάκης-ι6β Gaystation 1 are not computer.

[@ΣπύροςΚουκάκης-ι6β]

Ok Mr ALKO.....,Zx spectrum forever!!!!..The best moments ever!!!😀

[@geilor]

@@alkolove1 LOL!!! Absolutely NOT!

[@krislambert6625]

I still have my amiga 600 in my attic but I have all my fav games running on Winuae and recently I am playing them more and more,there just something so special about the Amiga and those days of going in to town with enough pocket money to scan all around the shops for amiga games!!

[@SeekerLancer]

The DOS version is how I experienced this series for the first time so I really love it. The graphics are really fantastic for a DOS side scroller. I'd love to find a CD of it some day.

[@illegalquantity]

Seeing the DOS version here, the gfx is indeed nice, but: Our hero looks different than the original (and his helmet is flat!), the scroll is buggy, the audio is is a bit distorted. So the DOS version is not the real thing. Take a try with the Amiga version through the WinUAE Amiga emulator and you will see how much better.

[@GeorgeCee]

My fav Amiga game too !!! Incredible soundtrack with lots of remixes out there !

[@dataduden]

Turrican 2 is a great game on the Commodore Amiga 500 :)

[@schuetting]

This was my first game (even program!) on my amiga. I hooked up the amiga to my hifi system and suddenly the Turrican II sound filled the room. I could not close my mouth! I was speechless! And I recognized this computer was the right choice ... ;-)

[@oldstylegaming]

You know what....I think it might have been mine too now I think about it

[@markpenrice6253]

Having come to the platform rather late in life after being an Atari boy (and passing through Sega consoles and PC along the way), I've found it rather disappointing that, for all the crowing about the superiority of the Amiga sound system, the majority of its soundtracks are complete arse and mostly consist of talentless hack composers throwing a load of samples at the player and going Look How Clever We Are (whereas the ST - and C64 - gave you some very basic waveforms and left you to live or die on your own talents). Which kinda would have worked in the 80s and early 90s, but falls pretty flat now. Turrican, however, is a clear exception to that general rule. There have been at least a few titles I've run across inamongst the mire which actually do sound better, and this definitely counts, much as I already rated the Yamaha reinterpretation. Maybe something to do with how they employed a composer who had already more than proven himself on the 64...

[@oldstylegaming]

@@markpenrice6253 I prefer the c64 sid music in general but huilsbeck defo performed magic on this

[@markpenrice6253]

@@oldstylegaming Indeed, shame there wasn't any in-game music on the C64 version, it's the right kind of score that could sound epic on the SID.

[@stephenhall2980]

I can see why you put the dos version behind the amiga. The gameplay, music and most of the graphics are perfect, some would say better than the amiga, but the main turrican suit sprite redisign is awful! What's up with that blocky lego head?

[@jamyskis]

Not gonna lie, when I only had my Spectrum +2A, I had a lot of fun with the Spectrum version and the rendition of the Level 1 theme which serves as that version's title tune was top notch. Obviously it's pointless when you have an Amiga, ST or C64, but run-and-gun games that were actually halfway playable were a rarity on the Speccy in those days so it was a welcome sight.

[@danmcdaid]

I loved the Speccy version - though it handled poorly and the scrolling was slow, it had a lovely mystique about it. You really didn't know what was coming next. And those colours! How did they get all those hues out of the humble Spectrum? To my mind, a handsome and atmospheric experience. Do Navy Seals!

[@jaysmith2858]

"As far as ST games go ........" . Still can't let it go after all these years eh.

[@markpenrice6253]

TBF, it is a bloody good game when stacked up against other ST platformers, even if it doesn't quite reach the Amiga's dizzy heights. I can just about make out the reduced colour depth, for example (on the sprites and scenery - the sky is a bit too obvious, seems no attempt was made to even raster-dither it like on the Amiga, and AFAIK no STe version - which would have fixed that - was ever made), but they hid the lack of registers and their lower resolution extremely well. And of course we were always hurting for sprite-wrangling and smooth scrolling ability (again, if only there'd been an STe version...), the fact that almost the entire screen (albeit 320x200 not 320x256) is in motion at somewhere around 17~20fps with so many simultaneous sprites is pretty miraculous. Shame that, like the sky fade, no attempt was made at producing sampled speech effects, but on the standard machine that probably would have eaten up just a few too many CPU cycles (...ditto). As I recall, the controls and timing were pretty damn tight, too, very responsive, which made it _feel_ faster and smoother than it actually was, and if you didn't have an Amiga racked up side-by-side it felt exceptional.

[@Mark-pr7ug]

The ST version shows you just how close in ability the machine (without hardware chips) was to the Amiga. I also liked the CPC version too. No 4 coloured ZX port there.

[@Lucasrainford]

What a iconic game! and even more iconic tune! Some great ports here especially the Dos port which looks fantastic and I can understand if some believe it should’ve been top. So glad you put the Amiga in first place because it’s where it belongs imo, Turrican 2 is just a legendary Amiga game. Great vid m8 🙂

[@oldstylegaming]

Thanks Luke :-)

[@TheSuperPlayer707]

If it would have been existed an Amiga GS this game could have competed against Mario and Sonic in an amazing way. Turrican, for me, the Amiga mascot by excellence.

[@markpenrice6253]

That's what the CDTV and CD32 were, mate - and as demonstrated, the games were just fine, definitely 16-bit console quality, but didn't really make much use of the CD hardware - not even a streaming soundtrack, which would have freed up the Paula to play lots of sound effects without clashes. They literally just slapped the floppy image on a CD (much like the data may have gone into a half or 1MB ROM cart), possibly did a slight tweak to make the background fade a bit smoother (as the CD32 was AGA based), and left it at that, with the only real upgrade being a near-HDD loading speed (even a 1x CDROM can load the entire contents of an Amiga disk in about 5 seconds, vs the minute or so the original machine took). It's just a shame they didn't make a cartridge based one earlier on, like what was originally planned... But the computer itself sort of filled that gap, is the thing. It wouldn't have taken enough off the price to remove the keyboard, floppy drive and maybe half of the ports and RAM to make a consolised version very much of a success - much of the cost of the thing was in the main chipset. Kinda how the ST was less than half the price at first, despite otherwise having much the same silicon and other specs (...now a consolised version of _that,_ especially the STe, could have actually been affordable, done a reasonable job if it got established before the other 16-bit consoles came along, and possibly saved Atari... but they were too hung up first on pushing the 7800, then spending forever and a day making the Jag...)

[@TheSuperPlayer707]

@@markpenrice6253 I usually thought the possibility that Commodore would made an Amiga GS in the place of that garbage that were the 64 GS. Back then, in 1998-9 commodore planned its first attempt to get in on the videogame industry. There's two projects that were proposed: an Amiga GS (that would been used cartridge versions of the hard drive versions of its games, just as you mentioned) and an Commodore 64 GS. Commodore finally decided to make the 64 GS, because it was a cheaper project, but if they have chosen the Amiga GS in its place the history could have been way different. An hypothetical Amiga GS planned in 1998 would been released in 1990, and probably the First Turrican could have been its flagship title (in the same way that they planned it for de 64 GS), but the thing is this... If they launched the Amiga GS in the 1990 Christmas they could have been anticipated to Super Mario World and Sonic The Hedgehog, building a notable reputation so was actually happened in real life, and the console could have dominated the European markets absorbing an important market share. The Amiga GS might not ever leadership the American and Japanese markets, but I'm convinced that would competed against its rivals decently, and most probably it would have won in the European countries. The good situation, eventually might have crashed in the moment that they potentially planned something like the CDTV in response to the Sega's Mega CD (because in real life they created the CDTV based on the Mega CD) and the thing would ended with the eventual failure of the CD32 (created to be a competitor to the 3DO, like it was in real life), and commodore would had crashed like it happened in real life. ¿What's the point in all of this? Well, the thing is: if the things had happened in the same way I told, the history could have been different, and Turrican could have been remembered as a third important mascot of the early nineties, along Sonic and Mario, and in my opinion Turrican could have been a synonym of gaming, because in real life his games were so good that made school in level design and music. Sadly the actual history is different, and Turrican is poorly remembered, something unfair considering the impact that had in the nineties. If the history was the same that I told, the Turrican's impact in gaming would have been greater, and could have been better remember nowadays. Now, talking about your Atari ST mention, yes, I think the same as you, Atari would done its glorious comeback if they launched that planned Atari STGS instead of the XEGS. And the history could have been different, so as I mentioned before about commodore. The both companies didn't planned so well in that time, the both had in that time some of the worst CEO that a company could gotten, and this is a shame considering the potential of the projects from both companies. Nevertheless and also that I told with commodore, Atari neither would have maintained it's supremacy in the gaming business, because the competition in that era was very chaotic, and they could have taken bad decisions, and its final crash would happened anyway because of the monster... The PlayStation... Thanks for reading, I liked your comment so much, and I hope that this comment has also been to your liking. Good bye!

[@turricanrocks1552]

lucas sosa it could be awesome if the Turrican series came back with a T4.

[@TheSuperPlayer707]

@@turricanrocks1552 yes... That it could be amazing...

[@turricanrocks1552]

lucas sosa or if Bren McGuire became a new DLC fighter in Smash Ultimate. I'd love to see that.

[@paultrundley6408]

Turrican 1,2 and 3 on the Amiga were brilliant. Gaming at its best

[@Rip-Van-Tinkle]

My favourite game ever, and you're right, the Amiga version is the best... It's gaming perfection!

[@philjamprimate]

C64 for me. More atmospheric because of the lack of music (and colours!) I thought the amiga version was too cartoony when I finally upgraded and was actually disappointed

[@retrogamingdatabase9880]

I must admit the 8-bit computer ones were brave efforts for what they were and as usual with console ports of Amiga games they never fail to disappoint LOL. You did an accurate job at rating, but I would've bumped the CPC one up a few slots and the Universal Soilders ones down some slots. DOS is the best for me though.

[@philscomputerlab]

DOS version #1 for me! More colours, no slowdowns and more audio voices 😀 Use a CRT shader to get that Amiga feeling and you will never go back.

[@oldstylegaming]

The Amiga version will always have that nostalgia factor for me though... and theres a new Aga version now

[@Leeki85]

MS-DOS gaming lasted for about 15 years. PCs got hundreds of times faster over that period. First PC XT machines with CGA were utilized quite well, with support for CGA composite mode popular in games. Making them on par or superior to 8-bit computer of the 80's. PC AT with 286, EGA and Adlib that were supposed to compete with Amiga 500 and Atari ST just couldn't do it. Later 286 with higher clock and VGA cards were finally on par with Amiga 500 graphics hardware, but no one really knew how to use VGA hardware scrolling, split-screen etc. When programmers started to use VGA to it's full extent, 32-bit 386SX become the lowest supported CPU. Not faster than 286 with same clock, but fully 32-bit internally with groundbreaking for x86 flat memory model. Turrican 2, Super Frog, The Lost Vikings and few other games are such examples of how to get smooth animation on MS-DOS PCs. It wasn't long, when programmers realized that 486 + VLB graphics cards were so fast, that they no longer need to use VGA hardware tricks. They started to simply redraw whole screen every frame. At that time PCs were totally superior to any Amiga home computer (68030+ Amigas were able to keep with early 486, but they weren't meant for games). Amigas never really changed during their commercial life. ECS Amiga with 1 MB of RAM was the target since 1985-987 till it's end in 1995-1998. Amigas with AGA got very limited support, mostly quickly done ports of ECS games or bad ports from PC or 16-bit consoles. This is why Amiga games are very even in quality and MS-DOS games are ranging from really bad 8-bit-ish ports to PSX level graphics, with some definitive ports like Tomb Raider with 3DFX support, with best graphics at 640x480 resolution with 30+ framerate. MS-DOS just can't be threated as a single platform. It evolved from 8-bit era to something that was between N64 and Dreamcast. Then games started to run in Windows 9x only.

[@sjarken3979]

That might be so, but i still miss amiga Workbench 3.9. Windows and linux feels like a downgrade.

[@solamon77]

When people pronouce the SNES as if it's one word as apposed to S.N.E.S. I die a bit inside. Aside from that, great video! I love these kinds of comparisons. Young gamers these days don't realize how different porting was back then.

[@oldstylegaming]

Haha I struggle enough without having to worry about pronunciation...I'll take it on board though for future videos 😃

[@gumdeo]

Everyone I knew said snez.

[@d77gaming62]

A favourite of mine too - having played it first on the Spectrum (sure, it's not as good as the other versions but it's still pretty darned enjoyable) and then the Amiga (like you said - nigh on perfect). Must've played a good few hundred hours across the two formats.

[@ash81b4u]

Good stuff. The Amiga version is one of the best games ever. Just love it. The CPC version looks a bit messy to start with but does get better.

[@meh78336]

As bad as the Speccy port is, those colours just give me a happy nostalgic feeling. Never even knew it was on the Speccy, by the time it was out I, well my dad, had the amiga "epic music" version.

[@vetodrom]

Personally I prefer Turrican 2 on the C64 slightly more than the Amiga version. The reason is that the levels seem to be designed with the area-wise scrolling (esp while jumping) in mind, which makes discovering secret areas or hidden objects a bit more rewarding. The other reason are the shmup-stages which look and feel more dynamic compared to the 16bit versions. Hard to tell which version is best at the end of the day. The lack of ingame tunes still is a big loss.

[@GhostNGaming]

My second favorite game... 1st Ghost and goblins...

[@satan3959]

Ghosts and Goblins, not Ghost and Goblins

[@RetroMMA]

If I had to choose a best soundtrack, it would have to be Last Ninja 2. Did you know that a stereo version of that is here on JT? Amazing stuff, I tell ya!

[@bighairydel]

love the commentary with the birds chirping in background!!

[@oldstylegaming]

Haha I tried to reduce that ...but I can't stop them chirping and I record in my shed .... I'll buy an air rifle before I record the next commentary....

[@ShaunBebbington]

I guess how good the MS DOS version was depended very much on the hardware that you had? Was it a VGA only release, or could it be played on the CGA? And did it require a sound blaster, or could it be played without? It also seems to have been released up to four years after the Amiga debut, by which time the Pentium class processors had started to supercede the 486DX CPUs.

[@RETROCENGO]

I truly enjoyed this video, great work. How do you get those awesome screens around the picture? Which editing program do you use?

[@markpenrice6253]

Surely any video editor worth its salt should be able to add a border / do picture-in-picture effects? Might be something as simple as AviSynth, but the fire-effect transitions and the like suggest it might be one of Adobe's stable.

[@christschin3708]

My head tried to compute what was going on, when you started talking! Nice one and good see you back!

[@oldstylegaming]

Haha

[@CalmCal]

The spectrum version looked unfinished 🤦‍♂️ - Great vid 👍

[@CalmCal]

@Growing Perspective 😂😂😂

[@Sinisteve]

Top video Paul, think this is my favourite series... I’ve really got to put more time into turrican series, I’m ashamed to say I have never played one for more than 10 minutes at a time🙈

[@oldstylegaming]

Haha you really do have to invest more time...maybe play it on your next live stream ;-)

[@larsenmats]

Turrican II was my favourite game on C64. Then later when I got my Amiga 500 it was my favourite there aswell. And probably one of my favourite games ever. The Amiga version is just in it's own league. And the fact that it runs on an unexpanded Amiga 500 (with only 512KB RAM) is just mind blowing. The first Turrican game is probably my 2nd favourite game on both C64 and Amiga. Turrican is not lacking behind much at all. These games on C64 and Amiga are just miles ahead of other platform games and they aged really well. I still play them today. On real Hardware.

[@gumdeo]

Still one of the greatest 2D action games ever.

[@oldstylegaming]

It is mate

[@illustriouscampbell994]

Just found your channel a few days ago. I'm enjoying your content. You have earned a new subscriber. Keep up the good work bro.

[@oldstylegaming]

Thanks mate, im improving all the time too so some of the older videos like this one are a bit naff tbh as far as voice overs go

[@fradd182]

ZX has jumpy scrolling, but there is no way to do it differently if the game is not totally monochromatic, due to attribute clashes. If they put more colors on the screen, it has to jump by 8 pixels at the time. I would put CD32 version at least 5 slots lower, cause they didnt use the machine (AGA graphics) and have copied the OCS Amiga code instead.

[@markpenrice6253]

Looks like they made the sky colour fade a bit smoother, maybe using the same screenmode but with the expanded AGA palette? But other than that... As for the Spectrum one, I'm actually fairly impressed. Naturally it's not a patch on any of the others (even the C64), but given the hardware limitations, by god they seem to have tried hard to deliver as much of the experience as possible within that, to what would have still been an extremely large audience... there's lots of little details that they didn't strictly need to bother with, and aren't common to other Speccy platformers, but they're still included. I wonder even if we're seeing the 48k version, and there's a 128k one that includes a YM soundtrack (IE, borrowed from the ST), which would not only sound better but probably free up an extra couple of percent CPU (as it's no longer having to run the beeper) to make everything else run a bit smoother?

[@fradd182]

@@markpenrice6253 Agree, despite all limitations ZX port is a decent effort. But i dont think they could simply borrow ST version of the soundtrack. Not sure about this one, but ST generaly uses samples here and there in addition to AY sound, which can not be done on speccy, at least not while game is running.

[@Asphodellife]

It wasn't on the (AGA) CD32 but on the CDTV (An Amiga 500 with CD basically) but with no extra's like CD sound.

[@fradd182]

@@Asphodellife Right, my fault. But im not sure it should be listed as a separate version in that case.

[@elmariachi5133]

@@fradd182 It shouldn't. The only thing the CDTV could have done better than a plain Amiga, woould have been CDDA soundtrack direct from CD.

[@Ezyasnos]

Turrican 2 was pretty much a remake on the pc released at the same time as Rayman, in 1995. Back then I didn't know either of these games, and when asking about it, classmates said: "oh just some platform games nothing to write home about". And I thought, cool, I love platform games from time to time, let's check them out. I was not disappointed.

[@gullpayne]

Never played these must try it - great video

[@AmbersKnight]

I can't really fault the list at all. MS-DOS version I'd never seen before and weird main sprite aside looks good. The ST version is actually the first one I ever played and I think it is a superb version. Differences onviopusly from the Amiga but it is a superb game. I owned an Amiga and played this game to death although I was never any good at it. As a former Spectrum owner, and one who still has a lot of love for it, I agree that the version for the Speccy is terrible. I wonder how much of it was down to the limitations of the computer and how much was down to the programmers themselves. I would like to think a better version could be done. But maybe Turrican and its sequel were just too much for the humble Speccy.

[@FunkyM217]

Great vid on a Great Game. I've got my own order, and I'd probably bump up the C64 version a few places, but Good times all around.

[@GrahamIsOnTheTube]

This is one of a few games that left an indeliable mark on my gaming psyche and a game i would happily play today over the newer stuff because it had that simple pick up and play aspect that many games forget nowadays. Cut my teeth on the MS-DOS version and felt that it had the edge graphically (even if the main character has Princess Leia hair cups) and it really hearleded the future that gaming had on the PC. The music was sublime; a soundtrack that you can listen to (as i have) without playing. And you are right about the Spectrum version - i am a fanboy for the speccy but what the hell were they thinking!!? Turrican 1 on the speccy was better then 2 - they actually made it worse (hmm Target Renegade and Renegade 3 comes to mind). Despite bashing T2 on the speccy, the music rendition on the title page was actually really good.

[@1cmman]

Definately also one of my favorit Amiga games of all time and even today I still listen to the epic intro sountrack sometimes. It was pure scifi.

[@Retro_B8]

What a game, an absolute must have for any commodore fan on C64C or Amiga. ManFred worked miracles on the C64!

[@roartjrhom4932]

I mostly agree on this one! And I would also put the Amiga version on top! Turrican 2 is a real showcase for OCS Amiga. I really wonder what they could have done on a AGA machine twice the clock speed and twice the ram and also 256 colours and all those tricks.. I think that would have sold many Amiga 1200. :-D :-D Great video!

[@oldstylegaming]

Mostly agree? Which ones would you reorder?

[@roartjrhom4932]

@@oldstylegaming for me the sound of the ST is horrible so I would put that version futher down. And also if you take into consideration how incredible the C64 version is , despite the limitation of the C64 i would put that even futher up! :-D :-D

[@oldstylegaming]

@@roartjrhom4932 I would get hung by viewers if I put c64 where I think it should be all the time lol

[@roartjrhom4932]

@@oldstylegaming Hahah...well, the world needs your videos so better not to do it then! ;-) ;-)

[@markpenrice6253]

Yeah, particularly the CD32 one should have looked much more like the PC version, or at least been enhanced along the same lines even if not reusing the same graphics. And of course they should have provided a CD soundtrack (seeing as the actual soundsystem hadn't really been improved much, especially if you were using standard 15kHz video output). The A1200 might not have got the benefit of the latter unless you hooked up an external CDROM, but it could have had the enhanced graphics at least. (Question is, would they survive mode promotion onto a hi-rez monitor without suffering massive slowdown?)

[@zyxyuv1650]

I'm surprised that after all these years somebody hasn't made a C64 Turrican II romhack to add SID versions of the Huelsbeck music back...

[@Simon0]

I love c64 turrican! I even managed to finish it

[@RetroUnlim]

Nothing touches the Amiga version, I personally like Turrican 3 more.

[@listerofsmeg884]

Turrican, T2, Super Turrican and Mega turrican have been re-released on the PS4 and Switch. The first two are the Amiga versions. I grew up with the C64 version and find the Amiga version more difficult, especially the last level with those damn timed platforms.

[@LeeDarkParadox]

A great video 👍 But ... How is the C64 greater than than the Megadrive version? Plus the CDTV version and the Amiga version are the same, if anything the CDTV 2 button controller makes it the best version?

[@oldstylegaming]

I think I explain both of those in the video.

[@Asphodellife]

Amiga version had 2 button support as well

[@bjrnen8505]

Sure, the Factor 5 releases for the 16 bit computers and consoles look good. Plays great too, probably. But Mannfred Trenz had npthing to do with them. He worked with the C64 version.

[@MarkWhich]

The MS-DOS version wasn't released until 1995, 4 years after the other conversions, hardware improved so much more by then, it's a nice polished version.

[@5HlNOBI]

One of my top 5 Amiga games for sure. Great comparison.

[@oldstylegaming]

Thanks man

[@markpenrice6253]

I'm wondering, now... was there a NES version? Master System/Gamegear? It seems like the right kind of era that it would have straddled the 8-bit consoles as well as the 16-bit, and the existence of both a C64 and Spectrum/CPC version means the core code would already exist for 6502 and Z80 CPUs, making the conversion job a bit easier even for the less-popular-in-Europe platforms... And the quality of those could very easily go either way. And... Archimedes? Mac? :D

[@oldstylegaming]

I bet this would have been great on the Archimedes

[@turricanrocks1552]

old style gaming or better yet, on X68000!

[@markpenrice6253]

@@turricanrocks1552 ... yeah, but that's just showing off, isn't it :D How was the Archie for fast scrolling platformers? I only really know a few things on it, like James Pond (relatively slow action), "Lemings" [sic] (obviously no scrolling other than moving the map side to side now and then), Virus/Zarch (very limited view area and it was all 3D render rather than 2D scrolls so the CPU put the limit on framerate)... and it's been probably 25 years since I last had contact with one (or 20 for a RISC PC running more graphically staid music software) so the memory is pretty sketchy for fine detail. Obviously it would have had suitable screenmodes to do any Amiga originated property justice when standing still, I just don't know about the motion. Or indeed what its sound capabilities even were...

[@reagandow850]

I’m assuming your aware of the new Physical switch and PS4 releases that came out today from Strictly Limited right? I hope you get your order in my brother.

[@oldstylegaming]

I don't have a ps4 ...but have a switch so I'll defo check that out

[@8bvg300]

Man my ears can't take all those harsh cracks of the speccy/CPC port and the ping pong balls of the SNES

[@mwaawm]

Loved this on the ST especially the awesome soundtrack.

[@Slimer_CBM]

Another nice Video, the Amiga ist the best Version. I love the Commodore 64 Version. The Master himself programmed with all technical Tricks on this cool Mashine. Yeah

[@oldstylegaming]

They both class...in fact all accept the Spectrum were very playable

[@satan3959]

I wish this series would have continued.... There was a pretty decent tribute game/remake made for Windows called Hurrican a number of years back

[@The77Game]

Even though i had/have the CDTV i never had Turrican 2 for it. Nor did i know that a specific CDTV version existed but i don't agree with the choice to put it below the regular Amiga version just because you expected more. The CDTV was pretty much just an Amiga 500. It looks just like the Amiga version and looks and sounds better than the DOS version.

[@moomah5929]

Played it on my brother's C64 back in the day, together with Turrican 1. My thumb still hurts, because faster clicking = faster shooting! xD (Competition Pro joystick) Also got the DOS version (released quite late in 95) in my collection now. For Mega Drive I only had and still have Mega Turrican. One thing I never liked about the Turrican games is that dying didn't reset the timer so you could easily die twice in a row with the second death being time out. Turrican levels were nice and big but the time limit ruined the enjoyment of exploring them quite a bit.

[@ixk3844]

My favourite game sound track ever also great video

[@steveford1070]

If the Amstrad had hardware scrolling and a decent sound chip, it could have been amazing

[@turricanrocks1552]

Also, what's the difference between the Amiga and CDTV version?

[@oldstylegaming]

Nothing really...and thats what really used to bug me about CDTV, CD32 ports..they never added nothing to the games most the time..might as well just play them on the good old A500

[@turricanrocks1552]

old style gaming okay then!

[@oldstylegaming]

do you not feel like that about the CD32 and CDTV? maybe thats why they were no where near as popular as the normal Amigas

[@turricanrocks1552]

old style gaming I feel the same, especially due to the fact that the CD32 is just an Amiga 1200. Btw, maybe if you're aren't busy, maybe you can make a comparison of Raiden or Doom, not sure if you made Raiden's comparison video.

[@oldstylegaming]

Ill Raiden to the list...Doom is already on my to do list

[@rapunzel4771]

By the time T2 came ut on the Speccy I think they just gave up, most games were colour clash hell spawn and played like dogs.....This is coming from a die hard Spectrum lass. The Amiga version is King, long live the King !

[@darrenjones3080]

old style gaming Where about's are you from? Definitely a north east accent there, but I can't work out if its Newcastle, or maybe a bit further south. Maybe Durham or Sunderland area? Nice video by the way!

[@oldstylegaming]

I'm from Houghton le spring ...so I'm the middle of all those places you mentioned lol

[@darrenjones3080]

@@oldstylegaming Yeah I thought it was that kind of area. I used to play rugby at Houghton Kepier school years ago.

[@oldstylegaming]

@@darrenjones3080 Haha I used to go there too

[@natelecarde962]

Maybe do Ghouls n Ghosts next?

[@curlybrownliz]

Yet another example of the brilliance of the Amiga hardware and those who produced games for it. It is a shame the marketing people weren't as good...

[@sega20x80]

Hello old style gaming. Will you do a future episode of Sega Arcade SHMUPS order of greatness? Here are Sega Arcade Shooters. Scramble Spirits, Sonic Boom, Mister Vikings, Tac-Scan, Thunder Force AC, After Burner 1&2 and Climax, Raffelisa, Brain, Space Attack (Space Invaders clone), Gradia, Heavy Metal, Fantasy Zone, G-Loc& G-Loc 360, Strike Fighter, Choplifter, Regulus, 4D Warriors, Sky Target, Space Harrier, Repulse, Zaxxon, Action Fighter, SDI, Thunder Blade, Galaxy Force 2, Astro Flash a.k.a. Transformer, Aurail, Future Spy (Zaxxon clone), and Astron Belt.

[@krissymarklewis1793]

I till hold this as one of the best action games of all time, that soundtrack. Brilliant game.

[@avenginglettuce]

They should have stuck with the first team and engine for the Spec version. If they'd have taken that as a basis, added some AY jingles and improved performance, they would have had a winner. Shame it wasn't to be.

[@chesneyhawkesinofficial3742]

The Mega Drive version was surprisingly good, I don´t mind the Universal Soldier part, the additional levels are also ok. Nevertheless, nothing can beat the Amiga version, let alone the brilliant sound.

[@oldstylegaming]

True :-)

[@TheDavemaen]

Immer noch im Jahre 2022 mein aller erstes Amiga und Lieblingsspiel.

[@SaturnJap]

I'm 100% agree with your toplist and I guess that the C64 version (already a masterpiece as it is) with some Sid miracle would have been surely the winner. The Ms Dos main sprite is horrible and so in all the other versions except the Commodore and ST ones in which Turrican looks cool as it was intended. That 10th place... even the Vic 20 could show something more decent.

[@oldstylegaming]

I have a vic20 and you are right..don't know what the spectrum programmers were thinking of

[@homejonny9326]

I hope the majority of your subscribers enjoy and prefer this new "era" where your vídeos are commenrted, becouse i do by far S2

[@oldstylegaming]

Thanks mate...im starting to get more used to it myself now

[@stoicvampirepig6063]

Why did you expect more from the CDTV? It's just a stock amiga with a CD drive, it's the cd32 version that should be held to higher standards maybe, but there wasn't a CD32 version of this game. You shouldn't even have put the 'CDTV version' separately from the amiga, you got the exact same game at place 3 and 1.

[@oldstylegaming]

Yeah thats right the cdtv is just an a500 with a cd drive but the fact it was on cd meant that they had way more room to enhance the game but didnt ...the just put the a500 game on a cd. Its marked lower as really this is a missed opportunity

[@chloedevereaux1801]

how does the lack of speech let the st down??????????? seriously its pretty damn good on the st

[@perge_music]

The C64 and DOS versions are my favourite, the Amiga is perfection but they improved the graphics and speed on the PC, it's a pity that I just can't get 16-bit sound to work on DosBox to emulate it properly. But both 1 & 2 are such iconic excellence for the Amiga and C64 platforms.

[@oldstylegaming]

I would gladly play them all except the terrible spectrum version

[@elmariachi5133]

The DOS version has more colors of course, probablz the typical 256, giving it a sligth technical advantage, but not siginificant. I never found 256 colors looking significantly better than 32. But I think this slight advantage is really lost because of an horrible art style I think. The DOS Turrican looks way too cartoonish for my taste. It's silly, especially tha bulky head.

[@perge_music]

@@elmariachi5133 Perhaps, but the frame-rate is much higher which was the main benefit for myself.

[@elmariachi5133]

@@perge_music It runs with perfetly smooth 50 fps on the Amiga, while PC in general couldn't do smooth scrolling for years to come after, so I don't really see the point there. Did you play this in an emulator?

[@perge_music]

@@elmariachi5133 No on a PC. It doesn't run right on an emulator. This will be a circular argument, sorry I don't agree with you, it ran better on my PC than it did on my 500 and 1200.

[@FancyPantsUSD]

Turrican II was the pinnacle of Amiga platform games. None better.

[@BenGmanUk]

Such a cool game. I've got the orchestral soundtrack on CD still. Well worth a listen.

[@oldstylegaming]

It's a great soundrack...don't make them like this no more

[@BenGmanUk]

@@oldstylegaming Well kind of. Nex Machina has an amazing soundtrack and very synthwave sounding. Could almost be a Huelsbeck track. Try the 2nd track Dark Shivers kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKO3mWefd9-Vfbs

[@turrican3839]

The MS-DOS port is really good, and I do like some quirks such as the bosses actually being much harder and more patternized but GOD the enemy A.I almost makes it bad, some enemies like the flies, underwater enemies and others really hinder it a lot and your hp drains much faster, and world 3's bosses are absolute garbage, and powerslide was made needlessly harder

[@krissymarklewis1793]

My fave Amiga game, actually one of the best games on any platform and that soundtrack. I had a cracked version so it crashed on the 2nd disk so never finished it.

[@krissymarklewis1793]

just looking at the dos version, graphics are lovely but the main sprites head doesn't look right.

[@elmariachi5133]

Well, that DOS version shoudl be one below th ST. Scrolling stutters, the scratching sound quality is hurting the ears and Turrican self looks like a teletubby. The CDTV didn't have much possibilities vs the Amiga, besides it could have had sound from CD of course.

[@0bvious]

What about the normal skinned SNES and MegaDrive ports?

[@oldstylegaming]

Of Turrican 2?

[@0bvious]

@@oldstylegaming yeah. I have never even seen the reskinned version before: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqSWnp1ma5mff9U

[@diegorsv]

Megadrive has "only" Mega Turrican..probably the best Turrican ever..

[@oldstylegaming]

@@0bvious Super Turrican 2 is a completely different game so never included it

[@klaudijevtrkaciteritorij4301]

Turiccan have a great games,only i don't really sure about him it's,it's that be machine or human?

[@smalon75]

Great game with the Amiga version rightly number one. Played this to death back in the day.

[@oldstylegaming]

It is mate ... Thanks for watching :-)

[@Slimer_CBM]

Can you post the DOS-Box Settings? Please, Thx.

[@oldstylegaming]

Configure SoundBlaster16 with a220 int7 dma5 or Configure UltraSound with a240 int5 dma3 Dosbox oversmpl off needs 3300 cycles oversmpl on needs 10000 cycles

[@oldstylegaming]

are you having problems? i did..the rom didnt actually show the settings for sound, i had to go to the top select joystick, then move 2 down and then sound options are in there but that is only on certain roms

[@bachaplegic]

This game should be remastered

[@oldstylegaming]

It defo should be..can't believe it hasn't been already tbh

[@spinal_nerd]

I'm sorry but I totally disagree. The C64 version is by far the best. Yes, Amiga has more colors and Huelsbeck's music.. BUT.. -Manfred Trenz programmed it on the C64, and he declared it's the original version. -The Amiga port has less or no parallax -The Amiga port has less secret areas -The Amiga port is missing the water effect -You can't duck and shot 360 degrees in the Amiga port -Boss fights are a little different and generally inferior on the Amiga. -The Amiga port is missing that little amusing cutscene, where Turrican is starting the spaceship engine like it was a car. -The last level is missing the jetpack, replacing it with moving platforms: simply horrible. The last boss fight is everything but epic on the Amiga. Apart from these objective facts, I can personally say that I prefer to have no music during gameplay. As much as I love Huelsbeck's technical achievement on the score, I find that in the C64 version the overall sense of solitude and exploration is gratly emphasized. And I find that Markus Siebold's music in the intro and outro is simply the most epic music I've ever heard in a videogame, much more fitting with the theme than Huelsback's cheesy techno music. But that's just my opinion. I'm really tired to hear that the Amiga version is the best, it's a great game but nothing can surpass the original!

[@turrican3839]

While the Commodore 64 version is graphically and design-wise superior in most aspects, the Amiga does fall in a few aspects, but hey atleast this isn't like the goddamn MS-DOS port where they cranked up the enemy A.I by 11, (although the bosses in that port are actually quite good with the exception of every boss in world 3)

[@TheVileOne]

Good video

[@MudSluggerBP]

Odd, for some reason I remember the C64 version having in game music 🤔

[@Asphodellife]

The later (scene) released turrican 3 did, maybe you remember that?

[@MudSluggerBP]

Rooflesoft Games that’s probably it, cheers.

[@chrismortimer4068]

Loved Turrican and Turrican 2 on the c64, I even liked the uni soldier on genesis too. Love this game, I wonder why playstation n such dont pick up these gems, I'd play them again on a new console, such a waste that such epic games on gunna be lost, when so much work went into them. Sorry I digress a little LoL!!!

[@outpostorange9580]

What about the NES version?

[@turricanrocks1552]

Majikalnight the NES version is a different game tbh.

[@TonimanGalvez]

The best Amiga game in all the departments.

[@sjarken3979]

The pc version looks pixelated, and the music has noise in the background. Even the cdtv version looks and sounds better. Other then i agree with everything else.

[@NR-rv8rz]

See the late 80's arcade game 'Oscar: Phycho Nics' to see what Turrican was actually based on. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmmni51pmLd9o6s

[@krissymarklewis1793]

Surprised how nice the music and scrolling are on the game boy port, shame they butchered it.

[@turricanrocks1552]

Thanks!

[@oldstylegaming]

No problem i love this game...i did play it for hours and hours when making this :-)

[@SpencerGaming7580]

It seems like i got lucky that i only knew the Amiga version, didn´t know that other versions even exists and from all i have seen today the amiga version is the best in my opinion too. The ones with the universal soldier style look pretty boring

[@F15HA82]

Turrican bro what a game had this on my Atari st best game soundtrack ever

[@oldstylegaming]

Classic mate