Pin Up vs Pin Down and How to Use Them! | Ballsplanations Ep.7

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[@cowleysmobilewelding]

I bowled league and tournaments 30 years ago. I just got back into it this year. Crazy how much has changed

[@cwagner4704]

Same here my friend , just the amount of information and instruction that’s available now as opposed to back then is staggering . My best resource for instruction back then was Bo Burton’s tips on the PBA championships every Saturday

[@TheShackGuy]

And now I know WHY I prefer pin down drills. Another stellar video Mikey, please keep them coming!

[@ghettoshopper7509]

Love this, you are definitely one of the better people to explain and flesh out what you're teaching us. Thanks so much

[@thebigeasy8609]

Good stuff EasyMikeBreezy! I really like my pin downs. Being a lefty and playing that typical lefty line pin down works really well for me. Thanks Mike for the explanation of the two. Preesh.

[@danschweiger3700]

Great demonstration Mikey! Been watching yours and Darren’s tip videos for about 3 months and my average went from 185 to 200. Thanks for the help!

[@timmartin1354]

Love the low flaring balls, I find most balls now are too aggressive for me so need to tame them down. Good to see the difference.

[@TravisHunt-w5s]

One of the best technical explanations of pin up bs pin down I have seen!

[@johnmaxwelliv8472]

Very informative, my favorite ball is pin down. It's my most predictable controllable ball. It leaves the fewest splits and most make able spares. I'm a right speed med-low Rev down and in bowler. I like stroking that "thang". This was extremely helpful. Thanks

[@lonnieschwartzkopf2185]

Just got my first personal ball from my brother in law and you, your brother , and Chris have helped me learn and figure out a lot over the past few months

[@melodicchronic5181]

Very helpful. I'm new to bowling and I just had a new ball drilled and I noticed they drilled directly into the pin. I wondered what that meant. And everything online is "pin up vs pin down". No one talks about what directly into the pin does. So, Now I'm extra curious, why did they drill my ring finger into the pin and what does that do??

[@checkmate647maverick3]

Great explanation! Thank you!

[@SteveJones-ul9ex]

Very well stated and demonstrated so we could understand and make the decision for how we throw it. Keep up the good work!

[@bowlersoup]

Awesome timing on the vid. Been wanting to mess around with pin down layouts for a while now! 👋🏻

[@tenzz2428]

Love the content! Can you do a video explaining what ball is good for high rev low speed players! 400+ revs 14.5 mph.

[@umbra9273]

Is that 14mph at the break point?

[@tenzz2428]

@@umbra927315-15.5 off hand and maybe 14 by break point

[@IronMaiden756]

This was SO good. Very easy to understand. Thanks!

[@AyoMrB]

Let's go 30k! Love to see your channel growing. Seems like yesterday you were topping 20k.

[@jenniferboone-sz1lo]

Very helpful, Michael. You answered some questions I've been mulling for a while. Thanks a bunch.

[@jasemook]

on tour, how often did you use different layouts? would it have been easier to keep ball changes as the only main difference in your arsenal? do some types of bowling balls benefit greater from pin up vs pin down layouts? Great vid Mikey!!!

[@Mathewtrades]

thank you for the education on the pins! great content!

[@Chrisplayssports]

I was actually thinking of finally adding a pin down ball to the bag and this video sealed the deal! Thank you

[@geoffnash3098]

Good video mike. I like pin down better ball doesn't go crazy on you. Very controllable. Keep those videos coming. Can you do a video on adding surface to a ball and then what polishing does?

[@raycheljohnson304]

Super helpful video, Mikey, thank you! My boyfriend and I have gotten into bowling this year, this was much needed. Surface change video next!!

[@CrAzYPiNoY_69]

Another great ballspanation. Keep them coming 🔥🔥🔥

[@stevenjaragosky4633]

Like the vid. Just started bowling and trying to learn.

[@txb4u]

Thank you for explaining the difference, it makes more sense to now.

[@minjoongkim3119]

what would you recommend for different types of players between up and down on the house shot?

[@CliftonDon74]

Another good one Mikey. For the next Ballsplanations video, can you talk about tape on the forearms and wrists? When to use them. That would be helpful.

[@markwilliamburright8160]

great explanation

[@MikeLoves2Bowl]

I drilled my first pin down ball about a month ago. It's different since I'm use to throwing pin up. I've noticed my ball goes little longer but more skid flip in the back end. I'm throwing the bw3.0

[@Jackal_Blitz]

Probably also worth mentioning: The bigger the core, the greater the delta you'd see with a pin up/down comparison. Anything in the .020-.030 differential category is already flaring pretty tightly from the factory; going pin down on a small core can cause the ball to roll over its own oil and cause carrydown (yes, even if it's resin - nothing to do with urethane).

[@tvbowlingsupply]

Very valid👍🏼👍🏼

[@CasualGamerPlays]

Omg!! A bowling ball and tote giveaway! I need this, seeing that i'm getting back into bowling after 3 yrs away from it. Thanks for the video, i've asked so many pro shop managers the difference of reaction and movement of a bowling ball when its drilled pin up versus pin down. I'm also thinking about getting the Idol Optimum and Summit Peak.

[@masondew-bw3sh]

Thanks Mikey this really helps me when drilling a ball!

[@brandonsummersii9531]

Just started bowling and I love the timing of this video🎉🎉

[@GCare100]

I’ve been using pin up for 10 years and I’m about to try pin down tomorrow. I feel like because I am an “outside line. Bowler” I feel that pin down is going to be better for me

[@dwightphinizeeii8212]

Can you elaborate please? I think I can relate lol

[@babygraceful]

Thanks for the video Mike! This helps me a lot. Keep these helpful videos coming please. 👏

[@dalewilliams6440]

Thanks for your tips. Now I'm learning what up and down pin are

[@TeamThrowItBetter]

That 5 1/4 with the 2-2 1/2 buffer is my absolute favorite layout. Had a ball with that pin down layout and I couldn't get a feel for it.

[@blakecolcomb6826]

Great video Mike!! As a 2hander what layout does Chris have for pin under?

[@chungchu5426]

Hey Mike, where can i get the racers you are wearing?

[@dtsuinami]

okay much needed, i had no idea this related to the flare lines thank you Mikey

[@jennifergaudet3549]

Love your videos

[@jeffs7773]

Still planning on a visit for a couple new balls next month when I’m in Colombus. I’m really looking forward to some help from a professional

[@RitchieLeong]

Hi Mikey, got a question. Legality aside, can I have a one-hander layout on my bowl while bowling two handed? Does it adversely affect the ball motion in any way? Cheers!

[@THEKOBE7612]

Excellently explained

[@koreylo6082]

Great Video. Congrats on 30k!!!

[@ericdelfosse6089]

Great explanation! Made so easy. Thank you

[@darinbowling2740]

Great information!! Thanks for making this video!

[@Cody7Lee]

i like the dna coil and the new idol i can throw them both from my regular spot and move way right from the left side of the lane at the bowling ball demo

[@BuzzsawBrent]

Another awesome vid! Thanks Mikey!!😊

[@Cazyman24]

you used the word truncating the core with the pin in the palm layout as well. what's the difference in numbers and motion when comparing pin down and pin in the palm?

[@tvbowlingsupply]

Pin in palm is like the ultimate pin down

[@user-fr2om7qf4u]

Love your content. New to bowling. Very informative and helpful.

[@jasonwkamigaki2688]

That ball is so pretty! 🤩

[@whoisthat57]

I have two of the OG Zen's one pin-up and one pin-down. I get mixed answers as to what surfaces match better with both. Should the pin-up have more surface on it to accentuate the earlier motion and polish the pin-down to do the same (accentuate later motion)? Or polish the pin-up and put surface on the pin-down (which may bring them to be too similar areas of the bag)?

[@mikeym4196]

Definitely want to stop by your place when I come and do the pba lbc in IL

[@jeffwatzig2213]

Good info MT, what about doing a short pin vs long pin comparison?

[@louiskuamoo]

Good job Mike! So pin down, the ball rolls longer than hooks? Watching you throw the balls, the pin down was a tighter line than pin up? Aloha

[@daviddeiss7907]

Hi mike, so I'm a low rev low speed bowler and I play league in a house that is medium to medium dry and I have been taking strong asymmetrical balls and drilling them short pin. After watching this video I'm kinda interested in drilling one pin down, how would a pin down layout look compared to a short pin layout? what can I expect to see? Will the pin down hook less or more and will it change the shape of the ball motion? I need to know, thanks for the video.

[@williemorrison5006]

Excellent job

[@tomharrison7346]

Fantastic explanation

[@MrSin360]

What is the difference between the oil tracks being close together vs further apart?

[@phieaglesbw]

I bowl 3 nights a week and have 3 balls and a 2 ball bag. I absolutely love it

[@gysbritz2499]

Wow... ball and bag, can only dream

[@davidbeamon6726]

another amazing video very informative

[@giangdavis]

love your explanations, keep it up

[@anthonydorazio9650]

Nice job Mike.👍

[@garla5851]

6:51 The replay is a different shot , where is the 10 pin in the replay ??

[@Dadpool_510]

My favorite videos by far.

[@greggas1]

Every time my team bowls on the pair you do a video on, I bowl like crap. What are you doing to the lanes?🤣🤣

[@mikedavis2895]

Keep the fire coming

[@pinslayerx]

Should I do a pin up and pin down on the same ball, or should I change to a weaker or stronger ball, if I want to have both in the same bag?

[@froop0330]

Nice explanation Mikey!

[@ninety9million928]

Keep going with the dope content... Thank you!!!

[@rc4361]

Always very informative

[@AverageLeagueHack]

Hello Mikey. Why do I track so high I'm damn near a full roller?

[@SoloBlessed]

Before I watch does this matter for 2 handlers ?

[@jeremyfranklin1510]

I'd like to see Chris Via do a pin-up and pin-down video for the 2 handers and no thumb bowlers and how the RG and differential numbers differ from a one handed bowler.

[@benbugayong1577]

Great demo!

[@tomcasanover736]

I think that ball is going to be amazing

[@Dainslaif]

Since a pin down layout tends to be a slower/smoother arc and give you less overall board coverage, would it make sense to switch from pin up to pin down when the lanes start to get fried and you can't keep anything right of the headpin?

[@tvbowlingsupply]

It could help!

[@thenatural3986]

🔥

[@jaijieha]

Hi Mike, I wonder if it's the same concept for two handed bowlers as well?

[@SteveSmith-mx1bu]

Your tips are fantastic thx u

[@abrianmontoya336]

What about pin through the ring finger?

[@dredugan6893]

Great vid. Gimme that ball and tote!!!

[@lpamaran22]

Only if the Pro shop was in San Diego haha

[@ripvanrevs]

I've bought so many balls lately, I'm ready for another 3 ball tote!

[@umbra9273]

What layout system did you use?

[@edcgearpocketknife]

Good video

[@brianlevandowski3167]

Awesome bag!

[@jamesguido9877]

What do you mean by house shot?

[@pocketrocket313]

I am looking forward to winning the ball and tote.

[@Beamtron]

❤

[@Jordankons123]

Omg I need a new ball bag it’s bad It’s so bad I’m worried the wheels are going snap off and they say I’m done I’m retiring. It’s held together by zip ties

[@hotstovejer]

I've been around bowling all of my life, and had started in the pro shop business back in 94. Worked in several shops until IT lured me away, but I have always been a student of the game. So when I saw this and knowing how many people get it wrong, I wanted to watch it to see if there were any holes in your video. There wasn't, but I do have a question that needs to be answered. So, on the pin down, you state that you are raising the RG and lowering diff. I agree with the lowering diff part, but not with the raising of the RG. By taking weight out of the top of the core, you are lowering the RG, no? You're making it more "core heavy" so more weight is near the center of the ball. And the inverse is true of putting the pin up. By putting hole in the side of the core, you are raising the RG because you are making the core taller. If there is an explanation that covers why pin down raises the RG and pin up lowers the RG, please let me know.

[@tvbowlingsupply]

A video done by Alex Hoskins (in the Storm YT archives somewhere) explains the tech behind it much better than I do. If you can find it, let me know if I’m wrong!

[@AyoMrB]

Drilling into the top of the core lowers the differential. Less flare Drilling into the side of the core raises the differential. More flare Drilling a ball with Long Pin to PAP (pin distances 5" to 6") is a High Rg drilling for -that- ball. Short Pin to PAP drillings (Pin distances 1"to 3") is a Low Rg drilling for -that- ball. Adjusting the pin buffer or VAL angle is also going to adjust where the pin location is, so YMMV depending on PAP. See link below for example kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5iWZWysi7d0sNU&ab_channel=StormBowlingProductsInc. There used to be a Storm Bowling News webpage that explains this better, but it's been taken down and the above is the gist. Hope it helps.

[@Agent510]

Happy birthday to Chris!

[@MyNameIs3RYN]

I have taken bowling more seriously in the past year and used to struggle hitting 100. After watching yours and Darren Tangs videos, it has helped improve my game. I just recently hit my personal high score of 231 the other day😊

[@zackoakes6382]

Let’s go 30K

[@michaelwoods2537]

Wonderful content

[@RoseAndTheDad]

Hey Michael I’m a 1 handed righty but can you explain why two handed bowlers usually have their pin a lot higher? It’s just not computing in my head cause that would mean that they’re getting a lower RG for an even faster ball spin, higher diff for even more flare and it’s supposed to not go as long down the lane? Can anyone help explain it more for me? Thanks

[@tvbowlingsupply]

It’s because 2 handers don’t get thumbs to add that differential, so 2 handers will have the pin much higher to compensate

[@sourdoughprince]

I literally just taught myself the storm VLS system 🤦‍♂️ i should just always wait for Mikey to post a video, would have made it a lot easier lol