TVR Sagaris review: did Blackpool save the best for last? | PistonHeads

[@N13CRM]

I have spoken with the engine designers ex-TVR and the reason for the side exit exhaust was to curb drive by noise so it could be type approved. They disconnected the near side on and had all the exhaust through the offside then drove it past the noise test rig without the independent validators realising. It worked so they kept the look.

[@marty3553]

I never new that 👍

[@goreilly29]

Never seen this presenter before now, he’s good 👍

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Did some good work on YesAuto, but that vanished 1-2(?)yrs ago. Good to see him back

[@camtait]

Thanks for the kind words! Great to be back on video 🙌🏻

[@MrGB1999]

Except he can't pronounce the car's name properly..

[@rfwhyte]

Reminds me a bit of Catchpole which in my books is a strong compliment.

[@bonniedrasco8166]

Very good

[@39PSIOnTheDaily]

The "Racing Green Sagaris" video on TVR's site back in the early 2000's was something I downloaded and watched hundreds of times as a teenager in High School, here in Canada. When I'd show my friends the video (who were completely uninterested in cars) even they'd shout out in agreement that it was indeed "Wicked!" or "Sweet!" and lamented in how the car was unavailable here. 15 years or so later and I still want one. I think I'll have to work towards it over the next few years, before prices go out of control!

[@diggagt3574]

I spoke to Ted a while before he launched Pistonheads (Petrolheads at that time) and he tried to explain the idea of an internet chat group, but I only really got involved later. We, TVR owners, were definitely not all complaining about the cars though, there was a lot more to it than that and a lot of love and respect for the marque, as well as a wealth of knowledge on running and fettling. Never drove a Sagaris, but it's slightly smaller sibling the T350 was magic. Lovely engine.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Great to see Cam back presenting.

[@camtait]

Great to be back, thanks for the comment 👊🏻

[@charliehmi76]

There always used to be a Sagaris street parked on my regular route home just north of the river in London a few years ago. First time going that way in ages a few months ago, and glad to say it's still there! It always looked compact, but even more so now that modern cars are all getting so huge.

[@iainmackenzie3704]

I'm a car video guru from Blackpool. That was a fantastic video mate. Well done.👏

[@camtait]

Thanks very much! Our videographer Harry did a mega job on this one, I just open my mouth 😅

[@GadgetyMV]

Quite an influential design. Among other details the headlights which have been copied by so many manufacturers. Love the sound of the Speed Six engines, too.

[@oikkuoek]

Everything about this car makes perfect sense. Down to the missing driver aids and airbags. And that exhaust is amazing. And the doorhandle solution is enviably clever. Proper engineering solution. As for the reliability issues of TVR, no other brand is better. Every manufacturer who dares to play with performance, and most of the basic cars as well, brake down eventually. When you try to push them without fully understanding what you are doing, all of them blow up. TVR is a mad scientist car. If you treat it well, it gives back good performance. If you mistreat it, it bites back. That's called character, and you can't get that in a Ford.

[@Tracertme]

Peter Wheeler had a point, because all the nanny state electronics introduced over the subsequent decade have only created worse, drivers who have no idea how to manage a car when and if it gets out of shape for any reason…. Modern super cars maybe easy to get in and drive and yes you could throw the keys to your grand parents, but it doesn’t make it safe because interventions only occur once something has already gone wrong and that’s the wrong way to introduce road safety, versus train drivers so they know what to avoid and what situations not to get into beforehand.

[@andrazstrmcnik2331]

yes and no I had my ass saved by esp couple of times not when driving fast but normal driving when you are not fully ready to be going sideways and conditions surprise you like bad road surface and dried leaves that are also wet … If there was no esp on my car I would probably be in the guardrail because I would simply be to late to react. If you drive fast and concentrate fully on driving fast that is where i kinda agree with you 😃 but on the other hand you might be right maybe my approach to driving would be different on that day if I knew I am in something that gives you no safety blanket and I am on my own 🤔 Or I might just put it in a hedge anyways 😂🤷🏻

[@simonl8819]

Having owned a Chim450 and a Tuscan S having ABS would have prevented many a pair of soiled underpants.. S1 Elise the same later provided in th S2 but I expect in TVRs case it was more to do with cost saving than pure driving.

[@antonoat]

Let’s be honest, on some of these KZbin channels we often see outrageously inconsiderate and generally very bad driving!

[@CoreRye]

I loved my Noble for the purity and lack of assistance, but having lots of average drivers in hedges and upside down while learning driving dynamics isn't ideal. A button to remove the assistance on the track or for experienced drivers is the best of both worlds.

[@user-ue6iv2rd1n]

​@@andrazstrmcnik2331 I've done that with TC off, relaxed driving, accelerating like I always do and hit an unexpectedly slippery patch of tarmac and got spit into a wall. Lesson learned you have to stay focused driving a rwd car. I'd slid the car about on my own terms before but I lost my reaction time when I wasn't expecting it.

[@alenseven11]

Sagaris is a great car, raw and timeless to my eyes! And great video and presenter. 👍🏼

[@automotiveaffairsshorts]

Pistonheads originally was a forum for mainly Lotus and TVR enthusiasts. It started to resemble a real website in 1999. I made my first contribution in January of 2000, and my last in 2008. The original owner never liked the idea of paying anyone, so it was only good for putting something on the resume! At least, I got to have some fun!

[@MercSLRFan]

Maybe he had a thing for people who don’t know where to use a comma

[@themrmarkprior]

The original owner of PH sold PH and eventually came back to the fore helping create Collecting Cars.

[@automotiveaffairsshorts]

@@themrmarkprior interesting info… didn’t know that he was involved with Collecting Cars 🚗

[@themrmarkprior]

@@automotiveaffairsshorts I had an interview at CC in 2021 with David Edmonston. David Edmonston sold PH to Haymarket Media Group in 07 for (many) millions. Edmonston origially built PH at his apartment after his day job hours. It was first a simple forum, then came news articles, then came car sales. It was a simple hobby and soon ballooned out of all proportions and Edmonston took a gamble to quit his 9-5 and do PH full time. This was when PH was just a forum, way before Advertising, Media, Car Sales etc were added. I got the impression that when Haymarket made the offer to buy PH, David struggled to let go of his baby but the offer was To Good to pass. Then, when Edward Lovett was dreaming up Collecting Cars in 2018/2019 he needed someone to build the site, algorithms and everything else. Edward teamed up with David who did just that. CC are a great team and David was a sorted normal chap, grounded passionate and knowledgeable. I didn't get the job tho.

[@automotiveaffairsshorts]

@@themrmarkprior thank you for the insight, David didn’t stay in contact with me after selling PH to Haymarket. I met up with David on a few occasions, when I would visit UK from Canada. We went to the unveiling of the Aston Martin DBR9 race car - event was held at the AM HQ in Gaydon - in his TVR Chimera (which refused to start after the event, because he forgot to turn the headlights off and hence the battery drained). Next time I saw him, he had upgraded to a TVR Cerbera. Good to hear he got millions for his baby, and that now he’s behind the team at CC - which is a great organization! Thanks again, Mark, for all the information, I really appreciate it.

[@kledomuc1713]

Always wanted to have one of this but the prices have never come down, so the Cerbera MK2 Speed 8 was the alternative. Sagaris should be a lot better because of the shorter wheelbase. I know the AJP Speed 8 is great but the i6 4l is nuts. Thanks for the great video.

[@timbonfield3589]

Have a real soft spot for the Sagaris, Tuscon and a single light Cerbera.

[@shmooautomotiveltd5212]

These cars are special, and their importance within the story of British manufacturing and design is somewhat overlooked at the moment in my opinion. For a car that was penned 20yrs ago, it still looks bloody fantastic, fresh, aggressive and what a noise they make. Yes, it’ll throw the odd wobbly, sensors and dash glitches when it’s cold and damp, and if you buy one you should always have a ‘running fund’ on top of the purchase price, but is that any different to any other 18yr old, 180mph car? Generally anything you do spend on them adds to their saleability and resale value, which is more than can be said for some marques. They only made around 180 of them, and a fair few of those are no longer with us, having been exported or having taken a trip into a hedge. Once these cars hit 25yrs old, they’ll be off to the USA and Australia, so get one while you can…..

[@ayrshiresoundman]

I wish I still had my shedy Chimaera, it did have a few issues but it was an incredible thing that could only be replaced by another TVR. If only!

[@TheGinger1]

Great video. The PH production standards have gone up several notches

[@Draxindustries1]

Agree with you but...the forum is mostly full of goofy idiots..

[@bentait7018]

Great video guys, my favourite one yet 👍

[@timrodierides]

Brilliant video Cam! Lovely production quality too… I've always had a soft spot for these since buying one in Test Drive Unlimited 😂

[@camtait]

Thanks Tim! Blimey, that bought back some memories. Also had a T400R in my TDU1 garage, too…

[@TeaVR]

Makes you proud to be British. Lovely little review that. Keep up the good work 👍

[@camtait]

Thank you! And I agree, great to be reminded of the British sports car glory days

[@DamoDrives]

Not driven the sag yet but have reviewed the T350 and the Tuscan S, wonderful cars

[@MilesHardy]

There is a request for a full nerd out on a Sag, maybe we should schedule one before it's gone!

[@DamoDrives]

@@MilesHardy let’s arrange it

[@jasonbourne7499]

The Sagaris and Cerbera are class.

[@MilesHardy]

CORRECT :)

[@bmsdesignltd-engineeringse9502]

Great review thanks PH - Proud Days x ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

I think this highlights the importance of durability in great cars. There was a great recent-ish Autocar piece comparing the Renault GT Turbo saying it was better to drive than the sainted 205 GTi but no one remembers it because most have disappeared.

[@-DC-]

Always thought the 5 Turbo was far more exciting to drive as good as a 205 was .

[@RichardEnglander]

The lag was horrible on the GT Turbo

[@shmac96]

This is where modern media outlets like KZbin are welcomed. I feel like Im gettin reaquainted to TVR since the last time I read about the mentioned "hand over" to a young 20 something Russian billionaire when I was 15 in a Car and Driver mag. The last time I saw a TVR in motion was in I think a John Travolta movie? Its like my mind couldnt process how the car actually looked because there was literally nothing in North America that looked like it did. That said, thank you for this video! TVR was like the unicorn car company that I couldnt learn enough about and clearly havent. Britain you need to revive this brand. Cheers!

[@chawenhalo0089]

Piston heads forum was like a baptism of fire into a world car purists. Great car education, nice to see thrive 25 yrs. on.

[@Adam_9th_Legions_Son]

This was a great review and that Sagaris is a great car. I will say that the Tuscan Mk II was similarly good in quality compared to past TVRs as it was built around the same time as the Sagaris, the controls are tight, compliant throttle, the engine, good ride etc. However, the key point I learned a little while ago, that the presenter made regarding any TVR was that generally speaking, the quality and reliability of a TVR is down to how well it has been looked after!

[@BoogalyTheGreat]

AH, the british viper. Always enjoy seeing it.

[@MiMicheIIe]

One of my absolute dream cars, right here. Captures EVERYTHING I look for. Maybe someday...

[@hambo76]

I bought a Tuscan S in 2002 and I still miss it to this day. That said, if they'd have made the Tamora with the Sagaris front and rear, I'd have bought that instead!

[@jazzventura]

I love this car, I remember driving it in a lot of video games if this era. One day maybe🤞

[@carlwinslow4175]

Remember seeing this around 2005 and the want was strong as a Brit living in the US it would be the antidote to a Vette or Mustang

[@fillman86]

to be fair, airbags can cause more damage than they prevent... sometimes rudimentary traction control like the mk5 fiesta st has is dangerous as you enter a t-junction and all your power is taken away as cars are approaching as for ABS, some old systems could be made in a way that it removes all brake pressure in a racing scenario so he wasn't lying, but he also wasn't truthing lol

[@adnaanebrahim]

Nice video but it would have been great to see more of the car itself. Maybe hear that great startup sound you mentioned.

[@camtait]

Thanks for the feedback, we’ll take that onboard for the next one

[@jesbunce6116]

Great review, totally agree about the mileage, 118k on my Tusc 2 and still driving like new

[@julianadams2206]

Great Video of a (sadly) all to rare TVR. Looks like a monster but actually drives like a push cat. I was lucky enough to spend a day driving one at Brands Hatch when they were new. Overtaking a newish Porsche GT3 on track was epic.

[@beast0339]

Simultaneously the best and most interesting part of my hometown TVR was. I wasn't born in Blackpool unlike my sister, but I did grow up there. and I've seen many a TVR around those roads. Shame they went bust. And I don't see this newer Welsh-owned TVR going anywhere outside of Wales production line wise any time soon. I'd love to own a TVR at some point. Give it a bit of a clean up and maybe make it a bit....less deadly on the way 😅

[@BigDuke6ixx]

I always remember seeing TVRs on the way down to Le Mans in the 90s and 00s...all parked at the side of the road with their bonnets up.

[@BombSponge]

Porsche owner by chance?

[@BigDuke6ixx]

@@BombSponge Caterham.

[@BombSponge]

@@BigDuke6ixx nice!!!

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

more urban myth bollox

[@MrDead1975]

94,000 miles and still feels really tight. triggers broom comes to mind lol

[@MilesHardy]

Wrong! It has been well looked after, I'd rather a car that's had a load of work done and pre-emptive maintenance than a car that's never had a thing, you know you'll be replacing it all otherwise! If you know TVRs, mileage is actualy your friend. Anyhow, I sold the car yestreday...

[@MrDead1975]

@@MilesHardy so what components have done 94,000 miles? engine, suspension?

[@virtualcarmuseum]

Great review.

[@PistonHeadsTV]

Thanks very much! - Cam

[@Senna-xi1gr]

The Sag is a work of art. I had a TVR for 8 years with no great problems apart from its maintenance. If we have to drive EVs in many year’s time why can they look like this instead of something your gran drives. Love TVR 👍🏆🇬🇧

[@kramnam4716]

Cracking review I like the t350

[@bingoberra18]

Thats a car I would love to understand more about. Hearing designer, financials, and engineers and production storys from the first scribbles to finished product. There is a documentary about making the first Elise, and this would be similarly interesting.

[@MilesHardy]

I beleive @DamoDrives is going to do one just like it on this car with me soon!

[@bingoberra18]

@@MilesHardy Were you involved in the project?

[@MilesHardy]

@@bingoberra18 Yes, I am the selling dealer - HPC Classics. So the car is in our showroom as we speak! :)

[@Strike86]

Saw my first one in person a while ago and was surprised how small it was. Fabulous cars though - all these mid-'90s to Sagaris cars are some of the most sexy, interesting and unique cars ever made. Great names, great designs, great interiors... TVR had the talent and the potential to be world-renowned.

[@pj9375]

I think it’s wheelbase is shorter than an mx5 😮

[@djgoldthing7166]

Every car enthusiast that knew about these cars wanted to drive or own one. It's such a pity, that the ones that could actually afford one, didn't buy one. Now they've gone and everyone is looking for old school thrills from brilliant cars like this.

[@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST]

I wonder if the designers of the LFA and new Supra took ideas from the Sagaris.

[@TVtwarn]

My favourite part at launch - the billet rear hatch hinges 😂 just remembered thinking that was super cool at the time . Now quite run of the mill (pun intended) in the restomod world .

[@Surannhealz]

The Lotus Exige has a very similar looking part. I actually thought he was sitting in an Exige at first because the part in the background.

[@ThexMJT]

Sagaris is so rare, I think I have only ever seen 2 on the road, I've seen as many Veyrons and Zonda's as I have Sagaris's. Sagaris also looks like a lunatic, such a brute.

[@damiendarlington]

I can remember this car coming out in production when I was a kid. If I had the money it would be my first choice definitely! The styling and presence of it is timeless!!!

[@Alex-UM7GTE]

People should pay this company more attention.

[@Evertubo]

Since 2005 it's been on my car dream list. To own one hopefully one day

[@MilesHardy]

Sooner rather than later, we're selling them all round the globe at the moment before the USA reaches it's 25 point, they'll be £250k before you know it...

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

A sad day for the British Motor industry when TVR died. They always seem to do something that no-one else would do.

[@pizzagogo6151]

Always wanted one, but unfortunately will never own or drive or even see one for real! (basically they don’t exist where I live.)....”.really cool! Glad to see it get a good KZbin presentation, thanks!

[@AVM-Music]

25 years of pistonheads….all hail the creation of Ted Makes me feel old, but proud

[@ThinkfreeorDie]

Top 20 car for me. I've always wanted a TVR.

[@Eratosthenes0815]

Diddn't got to buy one in the early 2000th's. :( - Would like to have. One of my dream cars this is...

[@observantmonkey4055]

this was my fav car in tdu

[@ToreHansen]

A cool and strange legend... some said the design was done by the owners bulldog... Cool video!

[@simonl8819]

That was Peter Wheeler's dog biting the Chimaera prototype that became the front air intakes..

[@ToreHansen]

@aitch8237 Thanks for update

[@Faust64]

Great video Cam, what a car! TVRs really are like no other. A quick unsolicited advice drop - overuse of the word 'super'

[@camtait]

Thanks for watching! Bit rusty for this one, but I’ll be doing a lot more of these in the coming months 👍🏻

[@Faust64]

@@camtait I'm looking forward to them! 👍 👍

[@Faust64]

@@Lizpig I have no idea what you are trying to say

[@Lizpig]

@@Faust64 but tell Cam if you don't know what I am saying

[@carlolaschetti3482]

War und ist es immer noch! Ein Traum!

[@Ammageddon89]

The Sagaris is just such a beautiful car. Absolutely love it!

[@stevehines5256]

Cool vid Cam 😎👍

[@camtait]

Thanks very much! 🙌🏻

[@plap.]

I love quirky and different from all else. Its the experience of the drive that wakes you up and pumps your blood. Cookie cutters don't do this and TVR has it in spades. Also agree with no airbags. I don't want to be knocked out of the way and off the steering wheel when trying to negotiate the car after an accident. Also would like to breathe the air which is impossible with air bag gasses and powder floating around the cabin that makes people bail out of the car door when finally stopped.

[@user-ue6iv2rd1n]

Yeah that's not how airbags work...

[@plap.]

@@user-ue6iv2rd1n it was at the wreck I was at, don't know about yours

[@mikepowers572]

Those stalks are also the same as the mk1 focus, a car in production at the time.

[@hpmetabolics7558]

That is a sports car in its purest form!! Perfection!!

[@MilesHardy]

Correct!

[@davidbranch1077]

YES...YES...TVR..!!! You've finally created a properly handling,Car !!!..said Jeremy Clarkson 💙💯👍

[@pgr3290]

Sagaris is gorgeous and unique. Too many safe bland cars with no personality these days. People not convinced, you're just wearing rose tints, how can a car have personality? Let me introduce you to the TVR Sagaris.

[@jimmybags1494]

Gotta get one of these in America, oddly enough this is a dream car for me. I'm not sure what draws me to it specifically but it's styling is so angry. Coupled with a straight 6 like all things should be, man... gotta get me one of these

[@MilesHardy]

Buy this one!

[@carsandcontraband7217]

I've know 3 tvr owners ...all of them said the cars were great . The only people who said to me they are rubbish hadn't owned one.

[@MilesHardy]

Spot on!

[@otavionovaes5865]

I am still believe they should have started from there and bring the basis of the Sagaris to 2010s instead of creating something completely new.

[@SmallBlogV8]

If punk rock was a car, it would be a TVR. I'd have a Sagaris in a chameleon colour and have someone cut-open those arch vents.

[@camtait]

Couldn’t agree more! 🙌🏻

[@robertoverbeeke865]

noice

[@OriginalDarkMark]

Almost. If Punk was a car, it would be a TR7. A style statement underpinned by nothing of substance.

[@OriginalDarkMark]

@lux caeca TR7 fan, punk fan or both?

[@OriginalDarkMark]

@Lux caeca Straight in with the insults 🙄 what is your point, ultimately? That you disliked my flippant comment, or that you are inherently better than me because you are you?

[@hpmetabolics7558]

Did they make any in left hand drive?

[@MilesHardy]

Very few!

[@lauraeccleston6070]

Handmade built in my hometown that's what made me to be an engineer 25 yrs on for another British company ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@billshoe22191]

Such a cool car. Shame cars are no longer unique or analog like this.

[@mk001]

I miss my TVR Chimaera so much. Sold it 4 years ago…

[@srspower]

03:36 what the hell? It's done 94K miles and it's on it's third engine?!

[@cosmic-tiger]

There was a time I considered all TVR’s to be a bit ugly & weird but I’m beginning to really appreciate the quirks of the Segaris design language. Perhaps it’s the lack of modern electronics cluttering up the aura of a proper drivers car - aggressive, slightly wacky looks, a great soundtrack & an interior that doesn’t look dated almost 20 years later make it an attractive proposition if you have the money & want something a bit different.

[@freeofbug]

have seen her one time, she accelerates like speed light with crazy sound.

[@burgieee123]

What a great car still looks modern by today's standards and very radical and unique 👌🏻👌🏻

[@boomjester1998]

the sagaris is such a good looking car. probly the only tvr i reli want

[@balintk.9373]

I've seen one not long ago for sale in orange with manuals and left wheel drive. If I'd had the money I'd taken in for sure.

[@gairnmclennan5876]

To get the most out of a TVR you need to be very careful to buy one based on the current condition. Ignore the colour the mileage etc just get a healthy well looked after one. That means get a really thorough check of the engine coz the new models with TVR engines are very exotic hence pricey to rebuild leakdown test and oil analysis are well worth any owner doing every now and again, for an exotic engine. As far as the chassis being separate and the body being fibre glass those facts will mean these cars are still going strong in another 50 years time. They are rebuildable and repairable far beyond what most modern cars are. One of the very best drivers cars ever made! And stunning to look at. A poor mans Ferrari.

[@Ramsi-Berlin]

It sounds, that's a very interesting car... I never heard of ❣️😃 I know that TVR is a small britisch Carmaker and thought, they were bankrupt 🤔 I saw a TVR Touscan a half year away here in Berlin 🇩🇪 It sounds awesome...loud and brutal 😅 But in the over 40 years, I saw in Berlin maybe 5 time's a TVR on the streets... really rare ❕ I would love to drive one some days 😍 It's the type of car I love. No ABS, ESP, and all the other "drivers help" things. I want drive the car... not the computer from the car ‼️😂

[@joelbates8243]

song name at 1:00

[@cobar5342]

I have a Griffith - it is quirky and that is what i like. Labels on buttons?? No, of course not

[@andrewpickering8160]

Great review. Real sports car

[@os3990]

Great presenter, great video!

[@abc123732]

Still one of the best looking cars to date

[@stevesas632]

Nice video great car, but trying to highlight about being well built that it's a 94k mile engine, but adding it's had a couple of refreshes, doesn't really hold up does it? Also, why Sagaris so much more (more than double in some cases) expensive than a Tuscan or T350?

[@MilesHardy]

Any race engine to have done 94k miles would be given TLC, these are much the same. Same as BMW needing rod bearings and TA's for example. Buy a supercar slayer for sports car money and you will need to spend to look after it, but it's worth every penny. Not only are they rare, 211 made, 110 on UK roads currently, but Dan Boardman (of Noble fame) did the chassis geo on this and none of the others, so they handle like mad!

[@maya00795]

Hell yeah.......... Childhood memories are fresh......... Greetings from india🇮🇳🤠🤠🤩🤩🙌🤘🏻

[@christophecamus3295]

❤❤❤❤great video thanks

[@gareth198808]

The guy in the video doesn’t do the usual “annoying car journalist voice” like Hammond and other KZbin car guys. I like him lol

[@paulelverstone8677]

I have, and I will always love a TVR. Great styling, loud engines, bonkers interiors and NFG towards driver aids. This is why it's a sniff below 1100kg. Remember the Speed 12? looked like the fucking Batmobile! God, I miss them...

[@aljack1979]

These are going for £80-100k for low mileage example.

[@nickhall7763]

Awesome looking car

[@motorstockholm]

Link to the mentioned Peter Wheeler interview?

[@PistonHeadsTV]

Oops, thanks for the nudge. We've added it to the description, but you can find it right here: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=93986

[@motorstockholm]

@@PistonHeadsTV Thank you!

[@whyalwaysme2522]

Always loved love the TVR Sagaris!

[@mb9670]

My dad was the chief designer for this car. I never ask him about it though lol

[@MilesHardy]

WOW! :) That's rad!

[@Gorilla_Jones]

This car is GORGEOUS!

[@v-gun9735]

Great video. I do find it odd that you are trying to tell us that a car with two engine rebuilds is sort of, “reliable”.

[@BombSponge]

I know a 2005 Sag owner with 120k miles on the clock. Drives round Europe every summer from UK. Never had an engine rebuild, just annual services and tappet adjustments. He gets it serviced the same place I get my 2005 Tuscan 2 done. Many speed 6 owners have heard the horror stories of earlier S6 engines failing so assume 2005-2006 engines need the same, when they rarely fail because of the improvements made in later years.