We test Diesel vs Electric power: 450-mile roadtrip - Porsche Taycan vs BMW X7

[@b87plr]

If one can afford either a Taycan or a X7, I don't think, that the cost of fuel or charging plays any role 🤷‍♂️ I think comfort and travel time are way more important...

[@anton_grahn]

There are some comforts that come with an EV that are non obvious before owning one, charging at home and always leaving with a full charge, be able to ”keep climate” when going in to a store, preheating the car from the app instead of clearing windows from ice etc etc So depends on what a person sees as most important for comfort

[@amato5232]

The electric car needed an expert in the back to make sure all was well. I don't want to work out every little detail when i go anywhere, i just want to get in and go

[@imprezaaudi]

You don't, buy a Tesla, works everything out for your journey.

[@Alberto-xw8vx]

Then buy a NIO, battery swap in 3 minutes. ❤

[@marcwaller3657]

It didn't need that to make the journey, they just chose to invite him along.

[@tim66612343]

@@amato5232 they made a big issue about that in the video but this is just BS. He made things worse. That car is one of the fastest charging cars if you just put the destination in the satnav. Stop where it says and you’ll not lose any time. In the US they tested it against an ICE car over a 3000 mile road trip. It was only just over 2 hours behind over that distance. Should have easily kept up over 400 miles.

[@pauldavies7251]

​@@imprezaaudibut i want to be in control not a poxy computer in a milk float , why is that so hard for you people to understand

[@davidyoung9561]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use something like a BMW 5 series saloon instead of the X7? The X7 and the Taycan are two completely different car categories. By the way, EVs bore me to death. I love a straight six.

[@Jeddin]

Stopped watching at 9:00. As the diesel driver drives on on a mission, the EV driver is stopping for a second breakfast but couldn’t bother to time it with a charging station when you know you would have to add at least two charging stations along the way? Even knowing that diesel was going to win, the comparison of diesel versus EV was at least going to be interesting. But this wasn’t it. This was driver A pushing hard to a destination vs Driver B stopping to eat extra meals and do some shopping.

[@user-sf5bt8eb4y]

Lets be real here, even if we swap the drivers into the different cars, the outcome will still be the same. maybe the time difference will be smaller but ultimately the EV needs to stop and charge

[@Jeddin]

@@user-sf5bt8eb4y​​⁠ except it would have been a lot more interesting to watch. If say the diesel driver had driven the EV instead with the same dedication. Driving the Taycan down to 0% SOC and charging it back up in five minutes only on the 0-20% charge curve, which happens at over 300 kilowatts. And the diesel driver could have been switched so that the diesel drive is lackadaisical and take additional breakfast stops and shopping. I bet even then the diesel might win, but it would be a lot more interesting challenge instead of saddling the slower EV with an even slower driver.

[@user-sf5bt8eb4y]

@@Jeddinfirstly , we both agree however you flip it, the EV is going to lose, so there won’t be any difference regardless who’s driving Secondly, fact is if anyone is to drive a diesel , they would never have done 4 stops for this trip. Also, I suspect the “extra lunch or stretching” is just an excuse/replacement for “we need to stop and charge this thing”

[@madmikesch2453]

@@user-sf5bt8eb4y The Taycan charges so fast that there is usually not enough time to pee and eat something. So in reality there should be no difference. If it is the reason is the bad charging infrastructure in UK. In Germany I need the same time from Lake of Constance to Hamburg (520 miles) with the EV or the Diesel.

[@tim66612343]

@@madmikesch2453 yes that’s correct. If both cars had done a 1 stop trip with a toilet break of 10 to 15 mins they would arrive at the same time. You don’t sit and wait to charge on a long trip. You just park in a different place, plug it in and head to the services. The only time it makes a difference is if you don’t stop at all, then the EV will be 10 minutes behind.

[@tim66612343]

So your “EV expert” took the Taycan to a Tesla supercharger which is a 400 volt charger and said it’s a 250kwh changer? The Taycan is an 800 volt car, it won’t charge at full rate at that charger. An expert would know that. Should have just trusted the software and stopped where it said. It would have done it in 1 change while you had a 10 min break. EVs aren’t for everyone and have limitations, especially for towing but his is not how living with one is. Most of the time I’m rushing back to the car cos it charges faster than I can pee.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

totally agree, that 'expert' was just probably someone from the office that has an EV, probably a Model 3

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

the so called 'electric car expert' should have advised a quick top up at Gretna on the 800v IONITY and not at a 400v Tesla charger which will only charge the Taycan at a max of 150kw, if i'd been driving there is no way the gap would have been 90 mins and the cost would have been a lot less using a subscription as most EV drivers will have. I can get my E-Tron GT from Manchester to Benidorm for a little over £100, yes granted charging in France is cheaper but there is no way an ICE can do it for that price.

[@chrisbeale9022]

I have an EV9 which costs about £35 a month to travel 1,200 miles per month locally using cheap rate overnight charging at home. I regularly drive Glasgow to Leicester with one 20 minute charge stop each way plus a 90% charge at the office for an additional charging cost of about £85 for the round trip. That amounts to about £120 for 2,000 miles driven in a car the size of a Range Rover. I like not having to stand at a fuel pump, especially in cold or wet weather, and not having to queue to pay for fuel. En route charging hasn’t been an issue since more charging stations have come online except once when many of the dispensers lost their cables due to theft. I couldn’t be happier with the Kia, but I accept that my use case would not suit every driver. That said, it’s obvious that electric vehicles are improving rapidly and will eventually be the best choice for most drivers. The situation at the moment is rather like that of the late nineteenth century as internal combustion cars began to appear. They were reviled as being expensive and dangerous and many argued that horses would always be the best mode of travel, whilst others thought the horse would be redundant. In fact, whilst cars proliferated, horses were still in regular transport roles for another forty years and now, more than a century later, horse racing is still a popular thing. We won’t see the end of the internal combustion engine for a very long time, perhaps never, but electric vehicles are here to stay..

[@tmm5ive]

How much more expensive than the equivalent petrol?

[@chrisbeale9022]

It’s roughly the equivalent of a Range Rover in size and comfort, but arguably much more reliable. One of those with equivalent specification would be well over £100,000, £25,000 more expensive than the Kia. In terms of fuel the only comparison I have is my Land Rover Discovery 4 which manages about 28 miles to the gallon and costs approximately four times as much to fuel.

[@tmm5ive]

@@chrisbeale9022 to the same equivalent KIA

[@chrisbeale9022]

@@tmm5ive There isn't an equivalent KIA ICE vehicle sold in the UK however they make the Telluride, which is similar in size, for the US market which is priced at $60k fully loaded. If it were to be sold in the UK it would be priced in the £65-£70 range.

[@pauldavies7251]

​​@@chrisbeale9022😂😂😂please don't compare a kia to a range rover, I'm not a fan of RR but for gods sake get a clue before commenting

[@S4MM7ify]

You dragged around an extra person in the Taycan for what? To make every possible poor decision? 😂 Of course the car which is stopping so the driver can go shopping several times will be slower on a journey than the guy who’s hell bent on winning the race. Also, I’d have stopped once for 20 mins in my Polestar 2 on that journey - or perhaps 2x 10 min stops as and when my bladder/stomach dictates. Doesn’t seem much of a hardship on a 7-8hr journey. An EV hasn’t changed or complicated my long journeys whatsoever, except for making them smoother, quicker and quieter. Also, I’ve never come across a broken charger on my travels up and down the length of the UK. Either I’m exceptionally lucky or there’s something a little suspicious about almost every EV long journey test encountering the problem.

[@madmikesch2453]

Tesla Chargers with a 800V car is a very bad idea. Somebody missed the physics lessons in school. That cuts the charging speed of the Taycan more than half

[@fred3527]

While the trip is easy achieved in the Porches, I like to get the journey over with, and with certainty of timing and delays. So, I guess for me it would be the X7.

[@Gazer75]

But how often do you need to drive this far? 99% of EV owners DC charge a few times a year if going on longer trips because the regular use is done with home charging. And with experience charging breaks are done while on a food/toilet break anyway.

[@fred3527]

@Gazer75 I agree with your sentiment that mirrors Tim's. I just said that in the scenario presented, the diesel would be my 1st choice.

[@gordonmac3616]

Horses for courses. I have a Mini electric for city shopping, with a home three phase charger run from solar panels. I have had the car for three years and have never used a commercial charging point. Also have a D300 Discovery for long distance, load carrying, towing and when road conditions demand. Average use over the last three years is 5000 for the Mini and 10000 for the Disco - even though the Mini is used much more frequently.

[@izuaff04]

Cant beat diesel..

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

i bet someone with asthma would disagree

[@lanehogger1532]

For long journeys I totally agree 😊

[@timtim4603]

Taycan will depreciate massively and not many people can afford 100 grand cars and not ordinary people can afford basic electric cars as they are so pricey as well I’ll stick with my diesel for now and see how it goes with Road tax hikes

[@sig6394]

In my opinion like others have said of you can afford a 100k + deisel or electric car fuel or electric won't be an issue in view of cost, but what I would like to see is a more affordable duel as I did enjoy the video 🎅👏👍

[@motorpoint]

Thank you! We’ll do a more affordable version in the new year

[@Gazer75]

@@motorpoint Something in the 40-50k range is probably more sensible.

[@user-sf5bt8eb4y]

@@motorpointI would love to see a more realistic version of this comparison too! I don’t think the vast majority of people out here are driving or looking to buy 100grand cars

[@hmi1750]

This is a flawed argument. People who drive such cars also have other financial priorities and may prefer to save on BIK and cost of running for majority of their driving. Apply the longer term saving elsewhere

[@MyRealName]

Diesel is king for people with brains. Also, the careless traveling ICE offers is more luxurious. Having anxiety about range and charging is anything but luxurious.

[@jayem8981]

Anyone with lesser-functioning brains. Those with higher-functioning brains realize the range ability of diesel is never needed. Who drives for 8 hours straight? The Taycan can drive 300 miles and recoup 70% capacity in 14 mins. As we saw here, even with taking her time, the Taycan made it with little delay on a journey longer than most people would normally be taking.

[@Wroe]

Spot on 😊

[@leegoodman297]

If I swapped to a diesel from my EV it would double my household electricity bill and quadruple my vehicle fuel cost, my brain tells me to stay with my EV. It's all thanks to Octopus energy and their intelligent Go electricity tariff and Renault for making the sensible and efficient Zoe 50 EV.

[@Wroe]

@@leegoodman297 so tell me what do the intelligent ones do without a drive or private parking space ? , and no access to any of these facilities. With ev we have created a problem that didn't exist and now have to solve ....now is that really smart !

[@Mew-ip3iy]

​@@Wroe No shit sherlock. Before petrol we didn't have the problem of air pollution and oil pollution. Solving space for EVs is easier, if China can do it then the West should.

[@joaomatos14]

438 only need one charge 🤦‍♂️ if she want to win she should have made at least 300 miles with the first charge, then make one charge and would be enough to arrive, 4 charging stops is crazy, max she needs is 2 charging stops of 10 minutes our only 1 but more time

[@loftysaltmarsh69]

Yes it would be an interesting video testing two £20,000 cars.

[@WilliamLaverick-wo1nb]

Went to visit my daughter for Christmas and my 2ltr diesel Octavia returned 70.8 mpg over a trip of approximately 315 miles. Drive in Eco and learn to drive like a chauffeur. No planning needed and I fill when I decide not the car as with EV’s.

[@camdened123456]

A good one to test for this would be the Kia EV 3 (with the bigger battery) against an Audi A3 with the diesel engine. They would both be circa 36k specced up and so it would be interesting to see a review of how they compare both around town and on a long trip.

[@motorpoint]

Good shout! -Tim

[@beatles4sale2007]

They should load both with luggage and a couple of people, too many reviews negate this fact and would be more “realistic”…..enjoyed the review nevertheless Rebecca and Tim are a great combo.

[@motorpoint]

Thank you! We’ll revisit this in the new year and take feedback on board! -Tim

[@beatles4sale2007]

@ Also, 100% kudos to listening to “Real Dictators” nothing like a McGann read Pod on mass murders and tyrants.

[@AbuSmily]

Put someone serious in Porsche not someone who stops for a second breakfast and a 40 min lunch. Bit of a shit race tbh

[@chrisbeale9022]

It depends. I leave Glasgow with a full battery and need only 15min top-up at Ionity 49p/kW to reach the office 365 miles away. I charge to full there at 28p/kW and have another 15min top up on the way home. That is only an occasional 700 mile round trip. The rest of the time I’m driving in the Scottish lowlands at 8p/kW. Best stop trying to prove that good EV’s are costly to run - they aren’t, unless IQ has something to do with it.

[@rocket3man]

Oh my word, Rebecca on a road trip and Tim on a minimal comfort break trip. It was lost from Motorpoint Glasgow. Wrong EV if you want regular reliable and fast charging, only one choice a Tesla! I bet if you had changed cars Tim would have won by the same margin driving the porker.

[@rotoehu9266]

Be honest Tim, if it was your partner in the passenger seat and your girls in the back, would you have gone 3hrs before the first stop with it only taking 5mins?

[@motorpoint]

Haha no. But they weren’t there! I’d do a version of this video with kids as a factor but it’d be a darn sight longer than 22 minutes… -Tim

[@chrishar110]

My latest journey from Wigan to northern Greece, two thousand miles to go and 2k more to return, with my wife, son, daughter in law and a big labrador showed me that I made a huge mistake that I heard them and didn't drive my Tesla and instead I drove my son's Ford Ecosport. First of all, we had to stop every 2 hours. Somebody wanted to pee, then after two hours somnebody was hungry etc. Tesla wouldn't need a charge so often. Second and most important, my Tesla has autopilot, and the Ford doesn't even have a cruise control. We forgot the word comfort in the Ford, it is a B segment city SUV. Even the cost wouldn't be higher with the Tesla, especially with Germany's diesel prices on the motorways. We paid 2.1 euros/liter!!!!! The power at superchargers in Europe is cheaper than in the UK. I regreted it so hard, I was the one that drove for almost 30 hours and I couldn't have my car because they have range anxiety. That's exactly what happens at people that never drove an EV.

[@damindra]

Ev just don't work for uk, flats, terraced housing, long journeys where you just want to get to where you want to go... finally, why would you want a car that basically determines when you have to stop rather than the human

[@Wroe]

EV don't work full stop

[@oldgit15]

Any car determines when you have to stop, unless you think that ICE cars can achieve perpetual motion or create their own energy from nothing? An ICE car has a bigger fuel tank than an EV. That's the only reason it goes further.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

don't work for long journeys bollocks, my many long EU road trips says otherwise and since going EV i now always arrive a LOT less tired

[@pauls4708]

and a 5 series would be even better than a ridiculous X7

[@motorpoint]

We were trying to use cars that cost the same. An ICE 5 Series is a lot cheaper than a Taycan -Tim

[@pauls4708]

@@motorpoint yes I saw that explanation later thanks

[@wheelspin10]

If your doing big milage in a year the diesel is king. Plus better resale value at the moment.

[@jameskole3584]

The idea of a comparing two more affordable cars is good, something like a VW Golf and VW ID3.

[@Gazer75]

Was the price for the EV calculated only from the DC fast charging? A fully charged EV at home would be dirt cheap.

[@johnhaynes9910]

Nice one both of you and very interesting. One of my sons travels that distance to Scotland and back every month to see his children and currently drives a 3ltr diesel BMW 5 estate with an average mpg of +50, oddly real world stuff Tim :)

[@karkybibek]

How about u guys try east to west in 🇦🇺 😂😂 EV will be a generation behind.

[@DJDinaggio]

How much does it cost to replace the high voltage battery in the Taycan when it finally packs it in?

[@chillout1109]

By the time the battery packs it in, you'll have already sold the car and upgraded to something else.

[@tim66612343]

There are current EVs driving round today with over 200k on there original batteries. Battery replacement costs but so does a new engine. Individual cells or groups can also be replaced rather than the whole battery.

[@piotrskolasa796]

X7 the biggest SUV Vs best performance electric Porsche Take Passat and on one tank going Glasgow and back

[@oldgit15]

You made a video about how big the fuel tank on a diesel ICE is? Why?

[@Blandie-wm8mq]

Geez - it blows my mind that BMW can produce things as nice looking as the current x5 and 3 series, then come out with things as hideous as that X7 and i7...absolutely horrendous

[@motorpoint]

I agree, but having spent a few days with one I’m totally converted and want one! -Tim

[@Viggen1]

Do the same test with the same cars 1 year from now, and take depreciation into account with the true cost. The X7 will be worth around £75k with average mileage and the Taycan will be worth £50-60k, makes a big difference.

[@johngriffiths1480]

Whenever ICE v BEV are tested like this, they should both start and end with a full tank and charge.

[@MiniEggs1999]

Interesting result but all these big trip videos tend to do N S or S N I think it would be more interesting to do E W say Aberystwyth to Southwold or something like that. Much less motorway although A14 pretty much is.

[@motorpoint]

I like the sound of this - the wilds of Norfolk need a visit! -Tim

[@DJDinaggio]

Most people won't have access to their own private EV charging points and would have to rely on expensive public chargers (when available). Therefore I can't ever see more than a small percentage of the population owning an EV.

[@tim66612343]

More than 60% of the uk do have off street parking. It does make a big difference to the convenience and cost for those but others have workplace changing which works just as well. So when you say most that FUD.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Actually it's the majority in the UK population that would meet your criterial of having access to off-street parking able to privately charge. The UK average is circa 60 to 70% of households have off-street parking access, once the 20% of non-driving households plus multi-car owning households are factored in. In England for example, the average for those households without access to off-street parking is 24%, raising to a peak of 36% in some urban settings; giving 74% average with access, lowering to 64% in urban settings. These figures also don't factor in those with access to charging at work nor those with company car / automaker charging cards. (Source: UK government, RAC and charging access NGOs).

[@DJDinaggio]

Another thing to take into account is that widespread EV ownership would also require a massive increase in electricity generating capacity (more power stations) in the national grid to meet the higher demand. Since there are no plans to build more power stations (especially nuclear) there's likely to be a shortage of electricity in the future with a possibility of brown outs or even black outs as power generating companies start rationing the supply (and hike the cost).

[@tim66612343]

@@DJDinaggio so you moved from one EV myth to another. The nation grid requires less power now that it did in the past. It’s a transition and they are planning for mass EV ownership. It doesn’t happen overnight. Rather than post this rubbish that you’ve seen others doing why don’t you go and educate yourself. The little book of EV myths is a good start.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@DJDinaggio - The National Grid (NG) have stated that the extra energy demand for widespread EV ownership is a very managable target, being only a 10% increase (not a massive one as you've claimed). Perhaps you're confused with the NG having stated that there is a much bigger picture of ramping up electrical power generation to support the rapid electrification of industry and domestic (heating/cooking) energy use in the UK, displacing a significant chunk of oil and gas usage. Of course, what with 90GW of new renewable generation capacity in the pipeline to be deployed by 2030, plus the 860 grid scale battery systems being deployed alongside, then the risk of outage is fairly low; certainly improving on what has been a more precarious internationally exposed situation with oil and gas supply and generation in the past.

[@commuterbranchline8132]

Drive an EV if you like or drive a combustion car, it depends on your individual use case. If you have the facility to charge at home, overnight, it’s much much cheaper than diesel for fuel and servicing. The government’s of the world are taxing and legislating combustion vehicles off the roads, so enjoy combustion cars while you still can.

[@JAZCA1]

Ice cars have been in development for 150 odd years. Electric vehicles have been in serious development for about 10/15 years go figure.

[@jansefran1752]

Diesel is KING. 💪

[@DontPanicDear]

It was downhill all the way too, which helped 😮

[@motorpoint]

Forgot to mention that!

[@Astke]

Ah yes, range tests in the UK, because the UK is sooo large..... not

[@pabloescobar6714]

WHY DOES THE X7 BLOKE LOOK LIKE TYSON FURY LOL WITH HIS SUNGLASSES ON 😂

[@bradyfilm]

What about the depreciation ?

[@AjesJohn-it7nf]

The EV needing a so called “EV expert” to help with making a simple journey says alot about EVs

[@Stewiedude1]

It says the people driving it are mentally incompetent and can't understand basic principles regarding batteries that even a toddler could understand Probably best you do stick with ICE 😆

[@leaulife569]

Having to plan a journey around charging stops? It`s the future apparently.🤣🤣🤣

[@joebloggs4191]

On a long journey where time is important EVs are rubbish!

[@ps96t1]

Electric cars are good for drag racing, that's it

[@alexberry5118]

I’ve got to drive down to Chichester from Stirling and I’m doing it in a very comfy Discovery 4 3 litre v6

[@philpoole5670]

Like the idea of battery v diesel comparison, but still no KZbin videos have done trips with real life scenario…. Family of 4 or 5 vehicle fully loaded as going on holiday ….. then we can have some true figures

[@tyler.greene]

@Tim - Where did you get your jacket from please? ❤thank you ◡̈

[@motorpoint]

Levis-Tim

[@jackdanielsamarreto]

I couldn’t care less how good an electric car is I will stick to petrol or diesel cars you cannot beat them.

[@victorgrasscourt3382]

Smaller, lighter and more efficient car batteries have been successfully trialled. These can be recharged in under five minutes, implying radically new EV designs. So why is the Government pressing the car industry to produce EVs for the present generation of heavy, road-wearing, slow-charging batteries? They will soon be obsolete, as will the cars they are designed to power.

[@damirbajic4579]

Diesel all the way.

[@alasdairstuart3394]

Great video, genuinely useful - the issue as you point out is that both are v expensive. My EV issue is I live in a City with on street parking so no garage / charging access apart from lamp posts - which doesn’t work if everyone has an EV. So I have just ordered another petrol car…

[@oldgit15]

Everyone doesn't have an EV. If you don't want an EV, don't get one.

[@alasdairstuart3394]

@@oldgit15which is why I have ordered a petrol car - as I said above. Maybe you missed that ?

[@aysbg]

This is why we opted to use EV for our city car and keep diesel SUV. We do a longer trips every other month and anything over 150km in one way is simply not possible with EV without planning ahead… with kids, luggage and everything else, planning which chargers to use and which to be used as a backup is simply an additional hassle that we really don’t need. No Tesla is not an option as they are simply put bad as a car. We looked at iX and eqe suv but decided on GLE.

[@m44nee]

So basically, if you are in a hurry use an ICE and if you want to take your time use an EV 😄

[@kalex381]

I would like to see the same test with a Nissan leaf or BYD atto versus the diesel…

[@fredbear-sf9st]

Well done as you proved EV’s just useless as a transportation mode. My Touareg V6 diesel can drive to Sydney some 900 kilometres with less than three quarters of my tank. That’s carrying all 5 of us. A fairer comparison would have been with a BMW X3 2 litre diesel as the weight of vehicles would have been similar. Killing time to make it even closer in terms of time just shows what a joke EV’s are. In Australia when my children were young we could dive home in 10 hours to where our parents lived. That required one 15 minute stop. You would need an over night stay in an EV which adds more to the cost.

[@oldgit15]

Your diesel only does that because it has a bigger fuel tank. Not that much of a boast tbh. An EV would do it at 90%+ efficiency and around 150 mpge - your diesel nothing like those figures.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

they proved nothing, i'd have gotten there in the Taycan a hell of a lot quicker without the so called 'EV Expert" whom i suspect is just someone from the office that has a Model 3

[@fredbear-sf9st]

@ When I had a 2 litre BMW X3 I could drive to Sydney and part way back home. That’s 1100 kilometres with almost 100 kilometres in reserve. It just what a diesel does. The new Touareg does almost 1400 kilometres on a tank. We get in the morning and drive the 900 kilometres to Sydney with two short breaks. That’s something an EV just can’t do , as you need an overnight stay. When I lived in a rural town a young fellow would drive 10.5 hours every Friday afternoon leaving at 3 pm to play tennis on a Saturday afternoon. He would get to his parents place at 1:30 am and be on the court by 1 pm that day. He would leave Sunday at noon and would back Sunday night at 10:30 pm. An Ev is just not up to and this. Rural people do this regularly and Ev’s are just useless in the bush.. They won’t travel the distance and generally there aren’t any charges. If there is a charger it is powered by a diesel generator. That kind of defeats the point in the first place.

[@Stewiedude1]

What an absolutely garbage test. The Taycan could have easily done it in one or two stops. Handicapped the car to push your narrative. If anyones interested in actually educating themselves rather than this crap then check out outofspec channel. They ran a number of EVs against an ICE car across the entire width of America in a cannonball run (only stopping to fuel and swapping drivers to drive non stop). The taycan came in only 5% slower than the ICE car.. 3 minutes for every hour driven - in the worst possible situation for EV vs ICE. Yet the rest of the time, so 99% of the year you never visit a fuel station, on aggregate you'd save more time with an EV if you actually charge when needed or when stopped to toilet/eat anyway.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

yeah this video was probably sponsored by an oil company

[@jesterm7597]

Blah blah blah

[@Stewiedude1]

@jesterm7597 sorry if an actually fair test is beyond your comprehension 😔

[@ashleynightingale8459]

The depreciation of that EV is absolutely insane about 90k over 3 years, mind-boggling.

[@Sttratt]

This was hilarious well done team

[@boogboog8097]

But suppose i want to go the scenic route not on the motorway...no chargers so its no contest.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

there are more chargers than petrol stations, a lot more

[@boogboog8097]

@@thelifeofbatteries2603 😆 1× petrol station =20+ pumps each capable of filling a car in 5 minutes, your reply was perfect ev misinformation 👅

[@JohnCraig-y2o]

It was not a true test - it would have been much closer in time if treated as a direct test comparison.

[@andrewanderson3351]

Ridiculous. Take a look around and say honestly how many people you know who could afford that porche ..an average diesel car for 5k would do that trip. The average EV would get just over 200 in winter .

[@pd1596]

Did we really need to see the wee stop?? haha. Jokes aside, not the best advertisement for EV's lol I drive a diesel and do a lot of miles. I can't image how i would be able to run an EV in a cost / time effective way. An hour and a half difference over 450 miles is HUGE. I think if you compared a Model 3 Long Range and a 330D (not e) you would have a more realistic situation. But overall good comparison and I do like the big X7.... Although second hand Taycan's are looking pretty tempting these days!!!

[@6770connor]

There is no comparison. ICE is the only way to go for long distance trouble free driving. Unlike the 100k EV with a ‘big battery’ all you need is a 5k blue-motion diesel VW Passat with a 900 mile range.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

yeah but does it come with a 900 mile bladder and stomach and i can guarantee you've NEVER driven that long a distance NON STOP

[@danieltesfaye8517]

@@thelifeofbatteries2603a lot of ICE only drivers are very ignorant and overestimate how many people actually drive these kind of distances? The furthest I’ve ever driven by car was just under 200 miles which you could do on a single charge on an EV with a big battery pack. More than half of all journeys made by cars are under 10 miles. Why is it so bad that of one of journeys you make it one year, you can’t do it without stopping? I agree that diesel is good for people who drive long distance DAILY, not occasionally, because a lot of those drivers are company car drivers. If you are making a long distance journey for personal reasons what is the big reason for not wanting to stop, charge your vehicle and relax? Like you feel less tired when you take more breaks. A lot of crashes happen because some people don’t want to stop and take a break.

[@boogboog8097]

Real life story i read on one of these taycan was people going a day trip which should have been 8 hours but they couldn't find a working fast charger except by going an hour in the wrong direction then found a queue there added 4 or 5 hours to the day iirc not what you spend 100k to experience

[@siimplygrxce3263]

Entertaining test but hugely misleading. Do the same test in a Tesla Performance. It will be quicker, lighter and cheaper than either of these. Stick your destination into the app and send to car. The Tesla will do the rest. A short stop at a Supercharger will be factored in and will be both quicker and considerably cheaper. That stop will take less time than it takes to eat, drink and pee.

[@motorpoint]

It’s not misleading to use a car that isn’t a Tesla… -Tim

[@shanewaller2864]

Hi guys I would like to see you test a top of the range bmw i5 estate against a top of the range skoda superb diesel estate .cost per cost and the maximum bang for your buck ,my money 💰 is on the skoda ,but I would like to see a proper road trip ,I'm talking starting at Lands end and finishing at john o'groats. I've owned the skoda superb 2.0 190 tdi dsg sel executive estate previously and it would do well over 800 miles but would if hyper mileing 1000 miles is achievable

[@patrickbrady4919]

Why are you using the most inefficient diesel why did he not use a Peugeot 3008 diesel?

[@motorpoint]

Because a Peugeot 3008 diesel isn’t £100k like the Porsche! -Tim

[@user-sf5bt8eb4y]

i would gladly pay the extra 8 pounds to save 1.5hours any day of the week besides, if you are buying these cars, your per hour rate must be like 50 pounds/hour?

[@arda_]

We recently got delivery of our X7 40d (very similar spec as the one in the video). I just did a 1400km 16 hours journey in one go, refueled one time. Pretty much impossible to do that journey in a day in any EV currently on the market.

[@NoName-md5zb]

Your point being? If you dont need ev - dont buy it. Its like saying, whats the point of smaller shoes if they dont fit me? Maybe its for others? Also its not possible to get cabin heating instantly with diesel.

[@Astke]

Even if your lifestyle does not welcome an EV, no need to HATE on them. That s what baffles me most about anti EV people (especially diesel range advocates)

[@oldgit15]

Yes. It's got a bigger fuel tank than an EV. Not much of a boast to be honest.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

you stopped for fuel so you didn't do it in one go and i bet you were knackered with the lack of breaks, accident waiting to happen

[@helixvonsmelix]

Should start with both only 30 miles range in each.

[@Realist-m9c]

Starting full, 50%, 30% or empty, the EV will lose.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

wtf they need to test here anyway!?you will come before with diesel or petrol car too no matter of horse power and now fuel are cheaper then electricity on chargers and of course minute for refueling tank/reservoir and hour for charging of EV junk

[@Watson1973]

I’d take any of those two cars tbh or both in my two car garage Preferably a sports Turismo

[@SuperBonko123]

Thought this video was about how often you csn talk about going to the toilet

[@motorpoint]

It did get a bit wee-heavy didn’t it… -Tim

[@forevered4270]

I thought your mrs might have bought you a new jacket for Christmas? Do you sleep in it aswell ?

[@motorpoint]

I have one for sleeping in as well -Tim

[@Ayeright.]

EVs are a complete turn off. Absolutely dull as dishwater.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

spoken by someone that has been left off the lights many times 🤣

[@pauldavies7251]

​@@thelifeofbatteries2603yep & then says goodbye to the ev in the corners with a big smile on his face listening to his flat 6 or V8 or his turbo charger

[@Nick-ct1ww]

More Tim and Rebecca please couple of my favourite car journo's. No one likes change but change it's a coming. In 20 years ICE vehicles will seem a quaint as steam engines. Might as well bite the bullet and go electric while second hand prices of neatly new cars 8:51 are rock bottom.

[@DMurph-y7t]

Cornwall to morpeth would be nice

[@Wroe]

All thr bells and whistles on the Porsche with 1000hp and you cant use them in fear of reducing your range. Even worse is fast charging your vehicle and slowly degrading your battery in the process !, while we have invented fuels to extend the life of iyour internal combustion engine, everything seems backwards for the EV revolution. Lets not talk about EV deprecation! . The whole EV bubble will one day burst ..ICE vehicles are here to stay . Synthetic fuels and clean fuels will be the future.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

yeah you keep telling yourself that snowflake

[@davidyoung9561]

I can't justify spending a 100 grand on a car. Waste of money.

[@adrianlw2750]

A quality quick-dry paint takes only a couple of hours and goes further on a can. I really think you should test spirit-based vs water-based on a job like this though. Brushing that aside, cheaper vehicles would be more relevant to more people but would anyone actually watch the vids? Sad as I am, I enjoyed the vid for a bit of light entertainment…. Did the sugar crash occur the next day though? You must tell us!

[@motorpoint]

Haha I was fine! I think I’m immune to the sugar crash nowadays. Thanks for the paint info - will incorporate that into the next one we do -Tim

[@51madmitch]

The ridiculous prices of both these vehicles shows clearly why the EU motor industry is in such big trouble!!! Car production in the U.K. till the end of November down again 10 months in a row, worse in the EU.

[@malph9216]

It's not progress having to plan your 'fuel' stops around your bladder.

[@LynxEng]

Cost was much cheaper with the Porsche. Don't forget there's no oil & filter, glow plugs, air filter, exhaust, DPF, EGR, Turbo, injectors, multi gearbox, starter motor, alternator, cam belt/chain etc to service. Electric cars are much simpler and don't really need a service as such

[@oaip1878]

But battery cost 10 x more then everything u just mentioned 😂

[@davesound7188]

You don’t get your cat stolen in an EV

[@melvinnnamah9040]

@@oaip1878a battery is far less likely to need replacing. It’s the equivalent of having to swap out a cars entire engine. Pointless comparison

[@oaip1878]

@melvinnnamah9040 not really, small bump or damage from bottom of the car can cause battery damage and replacement

[@melvinnnamah9040]

@@oaip1878 that’s a scenario that only happens in Geoff buys cars KZbin comments

[@ukmost5606]

Robert Mugabe 😭

[@51madmitch]

What this test forgets is filling station diesel/petrol can have hundreds of cars fill up each hour, now think about how many and how long one hundred EV's will need to charge, at every station to support one million EV's, the M27 from Portsmouth to Southampton has over 10K cars + an hour passing Rownhams, just not possible to do !!! And a lot of miss information about diesel emissions have twisted the facts, both fuels give of CO2 gases (more from petrol, the green house gas remember that) and both give of NOX gases, diesel more, but they disperse in the air, cities are a problem for all, hybrid better, use electric in towns, diesel is a far better fuel, thermally more efficient than petrol, why much better MPG, need to spend more money on better exhaust for both fuels, not waste £billions on driverless cars that most people don’t want !!!

[@jrs9264]

🤣 here across the pond in the states, 430 miles is short trip. try running that test here without taking hours just to charge the EV junk, or paying a premium price for dirty diesel fuel. now that we had an election to throw out green nuts, we have a choice once again, without government mandates forcing unwanted vehicles on us. 👀💯🥳🤗 p.s. upstate NY , Rochester , to NYC also involves snow, plus cold, plus wind, plus moutains and valleys. much easier traveling in the UK. 🤔

[@camdened123456]

Watch Out Of Spec Motoring if you want to see how petrol vs EV compares on long journeys in the US. They recently did Seattle to Boston non-stop and the porsche was only 2 hours behind an Acura V6 for the full journey. Beyond which you're an idiot if you think for trips like that Petrol > Diesel. For those who do these journeys all of the time diesel has been (and remains) the default choice because you get well over 20% better economy at a lower RPM (and hence a quieter ride). This extends all over Europe including in Germany where sections of the motorways have no speed limit and so this isn't merely driven by the lower average speed we drive at in the UK

[@andrewwaller5913]

Petrol is so cheap in the States that EVs are pointless. You're not going to drive across Texas in an milkfloat 😂

[@bumblebee9288]

A 1 hour 30 min difference is negligible 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dcasteaux9181]

You left out the two kids and partner as passengers from this ‘test’. Why?

[@motorpoint]

Because we’re not taking our kids out of school for a KZbin video! -Tim

[@dioki007]

7h za 420 km????U hrvatskoj to prođemo za 3,5 h😂😂😂😂

[@CaptainMir]

English please

[@therealquaid1694]

U wot M8?

[@therealquaid1694]

U wot m8?

[@zulfqarali905]

Hi well done you keep it up you are doing a great job and having fun making some brilliant videos superstar Ali Walsall west midlands england junction 10 m6 Walsall churckery up the walsall

[@Rhodgie]

What a stupid comparison, wrecked any sort of journalistic credibility you ever had 😢

[@motorpoint]

Oh no -Tim

[@NoName-md5zb]

Both cars are poop and too different to compare. Electric is more expensive.

[@tim66612343]

Diesel is more expensive. You didn’t watch the video?

[@NoName-md5zb]

@tim66612343 i didnt. EVs are more expensive generally

[@tim66612343]

@@NoName-md5zb you commented on a video you hadn’t watched? Says it all. Your comment is therefore irrelevant.

[@NoName-md5zb]

@@tim66612343 i dont need to watch this video specifically to know that

[@51madmitch]

Who and why was someone sat in the back of the Porsche? I may of missed why, 🥱do all buyers get one 😂

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

i so called 'ev expert' that clearly knows nothing about them