Twelve O'Clock High : S1E07 Decision

Twelve O'Clock High is an American drama series set in World War II. This TV series originally broadcast on ABC-TV for two-and-one-half TV seasons from September 18, 1964, through January 13, 1967; was based on the motion picture Twelve O'Clock High (1949).

[@partymanau]

Watched this show as a kid and fell in love with airplanes. Now I am an old bastard, I still love planes and this show.

[@billythekid3234]

How sad I was when they cut Robert Lansing. His voice, the way he carried himself, so much like the real thing! Paul Burke did a good job but nowhere ner Lansing. well we got a full season of him,,,,,, RIp RObert Lansing! I just loved this show now and in the 60's I was 12 when it came out,,,,,, Take care !

[@-khosroemamiahari2883]

Robert Lansing was the best General Frank Savage and John Larkin is the best 2 star General Crowe and Frank Overton the best desk major, they are so perfect in everything we watch as a film , I just love all the episodes ❤ I don’t get enough of it ! Thank s Robert Lansing

[@Doug326]

Having served in the military (Navy), can tell you that flag rank officers are hard and tough as nails. They don't smile easily, they don't tolerate fools gladly, they demand peak performance at all times, and they will kick hind end hard when necessary. Lansing played a General very very well. Very authentic and believable. Flying over enemy territory and dropping bombs, losing crew, required a mental toughness and seriousness of purpose. No one has played a flag rank officer on TV or movies better than did Lansing play General Savage.

[@jimblue39]

Amen Lansing was fantastic in this role.

[@douglasfletcher1861]

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[@billythekid3234]

So very true sir, btw TY for your service!

[@donofon1014]

about the acting... agreed. But in reality the 8th Air force was made of teenagers led by 22 year veterans. Neither this version or the Paul Burke seasons address this. The movie Memphis Belle did. A 1964 show is only 20 years after these losses and showing how damn young they are is too horrible to display. How old was George H W Bush when a sub plucked him from impending Japanese capture. Care to guess?

[@donofon1014]

recently turned 20

[@carolecarr5210]

This tore at this ex VietNam eras Air Force Nurse big time & washed my eyes out twice. "The Point" had produced incredible Officers since it's inception. Best episode of this series to me.

[@axiomist1076]

Such solid writing . They couldnt write like this today .

[@lewiseberhart2871]

Your right not with the Woke generation we have now. Someone out their would be triggered.

[@kathyyoung1774]

@@lewiseberhart2871 Yeah, they’d have to have every crew contain a woman, a gay, a transgender, a dwarf, an American Indian, an African American, a handicapped person, an Asian, and an illegal immigrant -- totally ignoring history.

[@jsfbr]

​@@kathyyoung1774...and the general would have double standards, be a backstabber, and full.of insecurities...

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

@@kathyyoung1774 Not in WWII, the 1940's, or when this is made in 1964

[@richardgrimes4440]

Truly, one of the best series ever to air on TV. I remember it well. Keep them coming.👍👎

[@meherbs36]

1. Loved all that gorgeous P-38 footage! My grandfather flew them, and even after a 20+ year career in the Air Force, they were always his favorites. 2. THAT EPILOGUE BROKE MY HEART. 😭

[@edstyer2566]

Thank you for U Tube and Jake! I never thought I’d ever see this again! Thank you for the beautiful memories ❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸

[@paulgerald5808]

In my childhood , I grew up with Twelve O'clock High . The movie and the series . My aircraft is the , Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress . Thank you .

[@altoncrane9714]

Impossible to imagine an actor doing such a superb job episode after episode as Robert Lansing, damn shame that they did not continue to have him play Frank Savage. RIP Sir !!

[@robinf3817]

100% true. Perhaps the worst insult to acting talent in the history of TV.

[@gerrygrzywinskl6135]

Love this show keep it on you tube

[@conniemcclintock9332]

My.brother watched this when we were kids. I love it now and General Savage has always been my favorite. Sad when they wrote him out.

[@STho205]

Lansing almost always played the same character. It was his perfected stock performance. The irritated, judgmental professional that bulldozed anything and anyone in his way. This was his perfect role. However according to directors and other actors....that was his personality. Few enjoyed working with him. He was playing the Gregory Peck character on the small screen and few other actors at that time would be up to that. In the movie Frank Savage cracked up and had a nervous breakdown at the end because of the intensity of the character. The flight surgeon said, like a light that burns brightest just before it goes out gives maximum effort.

[@wayfarerwayfarer7749]

@@STho205 That is interesting.I have also read from one director on the show who said he was one of his favourite actors to work with and he was angry for years that Lansing was fired.Another actor who worked on the show said good things about him ,had worked with him before and done promo tours with him and that he never thought of him as being difficult ,he was just totally committed to the role ,another actor said he lived and breathed the role and shouldn’t have been fired.Lansing actually said nice things about the actor Paul Burke who effectively replaced him.He has also been described as an intense actor by the director of another TV role he did and quiet ,but excellent by an actress.Another said how it irritated Lansing that people didn’t come in prepared and used rehearsal time to learn their lines,instead of working on the scene.The producer also didn’t like that he wouldn’t do what he was told in scenes if he didn’t think it was right for the character,such as they wanted him to smile more 🤣 .He was so committed to doing a great job as he knew they were representing a generation of men,many who never went home.To make his acting as authentic as he could,He learnt to fly himself and became a pilot,had plans of the B17 flight deck and asked a psychologist to talk through the motivations for the character.So I think while he did annoy Quinn Martin and some producers,it seemed to be in his pursuit for excellence.

[@wayfarerwayfarer7749]

.I have read from one director on the show who said he was one of his favourite actors to work with and he was angry for years that Lansing was fired.Another actor who worked on the show said good things about him ,had worked with him before and done promo tours with him and that he never thought of him as being difficult ,he was just totally committed to the role ,another actor said he lived and breathed the role and shouldn’t have been fired.Lansing actually said nice things about the actor Paul Burke who effectively replaced him.He has also been described as an intense actor by the director of another TV role he did and quiet ,but excellent by an actress.Another said how it irritated Lansing that people didn’t come in prepared and used rehearsal time to learn their lines,instead of working on the scene.The producer also didn’t like that he wouldn’t do what he was told in scenes if he didn’t think it was right for the character,such as they wanted him to smile more 🤣 .He was so committed to doing a great job as he knew they were representing a generation of men,many who never went home.To make his acting as authentic as he could,He learnt to fly himself and became a pilot,had plans of the B17 flight deck and asked a psychologist to talk through the motivations for the character.So I think while he did annoy Quinn Martin and some producers,it seemed to be in his pursuit for excellence.

[@lynnesaginaw8061]

True dedication to one's craft is the mark of a great actor.

[@carolecarr5210]

Excellent note. I had no idea Lansing was fired. His rep U just outlined sounds like I would expect of an Officer.

[@jameshughes455]

FANTASTIC episode!! One of my favorites!!

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

Tim O'Connor was Dr. Huer on Buck Rogers.

[@wrotenwasp]

Tim Oconnon almost looks a lot like James Mason. As a kid I never really appreciated how well these old shows were put together. The acting was excellent.

[@Shortsircut1]

Dr. Huer from Buck Rogers!

[@MrPloopy]

He also resembles the late Senator John McCain....

[@lsmart]

@@MrPloopy His face is not at all like McCain; it's his stance, physique and speaking style. Of course, his character Temple also resembles McCain in his heroism as a POW.

[@tomnekuda3818]

My Dad built runways and worked on P38 Lightnings in WWII in the Pacific theatre ........he was with the Army Air Corps engineers. He really was impressed by the plane. The Japanese feared this aircraft.

[@donlove3741]

Army air corp.engineers? No .

[@Buzzbox3rd]

Awesome show this really was very well made.

[@DetTigerFan]

This was a great TV series. In this episode, hats off to those reconnaissance pilots, in this case the P-38. It took a lot of guts to fly into enemy territory, without guns, just a camera, for pre-strike & post-strike photos of targets.

[@johnt.4947]

Yes, this is a great TV series, even after Robert Lansing left. I watched this series when I was around 10 years old. I never get tired of watching WW2 aircraft footage, especially the B-17. This episode is good by itself, but with the footage of the P-38, it makes it awesome! Two of (some of) the best looking/hottest WW2 aircraft, IMHO.

[@carolecarr5210]

P 38 Lightening shot down Yamamoto in the Pacific.

[@MrUniqueness7]

Twelve Clock High like the as a kid growing. What real combat scenery. Love the shows. US military still strong with power.

[@ohwhatelse]

What is "strong with power"?

[@johntydee6367]

The US is a failing lawless shithole and its military is full of trans morons.

[@1stinsonguy]

The P-38 at 23:00 is a beauty. A rare sight.

[@doctorartphd6463]

This show, and Combat with Vic Morrow were my favorites... Oh yes, let's not forget Black Sheep Squadron !!

[@droldsw31]

Yes they were Doc! Just don't watch these shows if you're trying to quit smoking.

[@JFF35753]

My favorites as well!

[@caseyjones745]

Great stories!

[@allenhuddleston4616]

Photo Recon variant of the Lightning was called the ( F-5 ) . Nice flying sequence used for the show .

[@Russia-bullies]

This brings back good memories.Tim O’Connor would later act in Buck Rogers In The 25th Century.

[@billhuber2964]

My uncle flew in b-24s&25s. He liked this show for its realism.

[@tommccall3972]

If you can find the article in Air & Space Smithsonian magazine you find what the author says was the best movie about the Army Air Corps and the eighth Air Force in WWII-12 O'clock High. All the characters were based men that served with 8th in London.

[@b3j8]

I'd heartily agree!

[@scottuehlinger7887]

Van Dreelan, the actor portraying the German Army Colonel, was Dutch and often portrayed Nazis on TV and Film (Von Ryans Express, even a TZ). Ironically he worked for the Dutch resistance Against the Nazis...apparently on one occasion impersonating one!

[@BETTERWORLDSGT]

The Episodes keep getting better! Newly was in this!

[@robertpayne2717]

Those men that were in their twenties in 1942,43,and 44 that are still alive would be in there mid nineties now. Maybe there grandchildren should try and get their personal accounts of their experiences before its lost completely

[@michaelhewitt258]

Yes,They should

[@videomaniac108]

The letter of condolence written by Gen. Savage is dated in June of 1942, about one month before the 8th Air Force began aerial bombardment operations against the Germans.

[@rowdycallahan9935]

Robert Lansing was superb as Savage! Should never have been replaced! Paul Burke would have been better serving under him!

[@robinf3817]

With his voice and fierce character, he was born to play a military man. It's amazing his agent could not find him another role in the same vein.

[@el_aleman]

He definitely nailed the persona of a true military commander …and he had the “stare that kills” look

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

Yes, a Lansing-Burke format would have been just fine! On the surface the problem with season 1 was audience ratings-- the series faced tough sledding late nite Friday's against Gomer Pyle and former Tonight Show host Jack Paar. I'm wondering if the other issues brought forth would have affected the series with the thorough changes that came about. Wish I was a fly on the wall at Fox, ABC and the QM office, wondering if Robert Lansing did or did not wish to continue on the show with changes.

[@user-qy8ld8du1u]

Mr. CVanDyke, excellent analysis IMHO. Ck out 1949's Command Decision, starring Clarke Gable. Also, the Gallant Hours,1960, starring James Gagney. Two excellent movies Abt command.

[@johnrogan9420]

Frank ..2nd fiddle...his expression after the darts hit the floor and Savage drops one in the middle is priceless..."love my husband ...but he is a lunatic!"

[@meherbs36]

😂😂😂 Lol, that's exactly what it looks like!

[@mariakelly4179]

My favorite scene is when Savage is telling Harvey about how he and Temple met. One of Lansing's best scenes in the series.

[@mariakelly5]

@Matrox One Robert Lansing was great in every scene of every episode.

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Note the time frame!!!?! The P-38 was most likely what they would have had available!!

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Well HELL, that was supposed to be comments on the recon. aircraft! Sorry!!

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

@@rodfirefighter8341 True!

[@deanguando1335]

John Larkins is one of my favorites.

[@kathrynrobertson7923]

Yes, a lot of the meaningful human interaction went missing after he died in real life in Jan. (1965?). Mutiny at 10,000 feet, the first episode filmed after his death, is flat-just not the same. They were a great duo!

[@edl617]

51 minutes of storyline, not the 40 minutes we get now a days

[@memphoonthemississippi2554]

AND usually 26 - 39 episodes a season - not 13 or less as today's shows

[@timothycadoo6765]

Bob Lansing was always a competent actor, but everyone in the cast really stretches their ability on this one! Good work! Really miss Robert Lansing and Tim O'Connor!

[@skye1212]

Frank Overton was superb also!

[@lizchelgren1270]

i love this show, so glad they are on youtube. did anyone notice at 40:35 the outboard engines were used to taxi and then when the crew was leaving the cockpit area 41:22, the in=board engines were spinning down.

[@johnt.4947]

Good eye!

[@jsfbr]

I did 😊.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Robert Lansing chain smoking throughout...looked it up, sure enough dead at 66 from lung cancer :(

[@charliegood1967]

They should never have written Robert Lansing out. Every episode of the first season was extremely well made and really reached into the hearts of the real men of the 8th Air Force who suffered the highest casualty rate per 100 men of the entire American military in WW 11. After the first season the show seemed to loose itself in Hollywood hype.

[@gregford2103]

Charlie Good I think the producers wanted more of an action and adventure storyline, similar to Combat. Unfortunately, that took away from the series strongpoint, which focused on the mental toll that the war took on soldiers and airmen.

[@ohwhatelse]

Lansing may have wanted out...

[@mickey1849]

@@ohwhatelse Lansing was fired for a fresh face. However, the move turned out to be good for him, as many opps had opened up due to his year on the show.

[@mickey1849]

@@ohwhatelse .

[@jstetzer01]

Check out U.S. Submarines. Lost 52 boats. I believe they suffered the highest losses compared to the rest of our forces and their total size.

[@skuderman1]

Even at 1960's prices, I would have liked to had the cigarette concession for this show, everybody smoked almost through the whole episodes.

[@kathrynrobertson7923]

The U.S. government included cigarettes in their rations. Nobody knew any better during WWII. As for Lansing, he quit after this show-although apparently too late. He used to do card tricks to keep his hands busy dealing with withdrawal.

[@theresadelicot5104]

Emotional all around with everyone involved.

[@waynebender7720]

Another great show. Remember what it took to win WWII.

[@paulgerald5808]

Watch the movie that was made in 1949 , Twelve O'Clock High . Daryle F Zanuck ,20th Century Fox .

[@blusnuby2]

Read: The Wild Blue, by Stephen Ambrose.

[@waynebender7720]

@@paulgerald5808 The man wrote the book 12 O'CLOCK HIGH. Also wrote the book on bio of Jimmy Stewart. He was his Commander during WWII. Flying missions over Europe.

[@waynebender7720]

@@blusnuby2 Read the book written by the same man. Who wrote 12 O'CLOCK HIGH. The bio on Jimmy Stewart. He was his Commander during WWII and they fly missions over Europe.

[@blusnuby2]

@@waynebender7720 Yes, James Stewart was not just a "celluloid hero." He was THE REAL DEAL !

[@kathrynrobertson7923]

The U.S. government included cigarettes in their military rations. Nobody knew any better during WWII. As for Lansing, he quit after this series-although apparently too late. He used to do card tricks to keep his hands busy dealing with withdrawal. He plays a character his own age-36, in the series. Makes it much more credible.

[@lennyhendricks4628]

This episode has a brief shot of a B-17G (at 5:34), the final development of the B-17 with the chin turret right under the nose. If you watch enough of these, especially season 1 with Robert Lansing the time frame seems to be much earlier in the war. This is the only shot I remember seeing of a B-17G,

[@jagcop8357]

At the end of this episode, you can see the date 15th June 1942 on the letter which was Gen. Savage try to write to Temples widow. So the series plays very early in the war. BTW its a great serie with great actors...

[@lennyhendricks4628]

@@jagcop8357 - The B-17G was the final model with the "chin" turret". Nearty all the B-17's in the show are earlier than the B-17G. Look for the chin turret, you'll find it only very rarely on the show. I did look for dates for the various models but could not find it.

[@jagcop8357]

@@lennyhendricks4628You are correct. If i saw this B16G in this clip, i thought that the 918th BG got new planes and the episodes plays at the end of 1943, but i was wrong.I think, the 8th AF got her first B17G's in October/ November 43 but i haven't real accurate infosabout that too.only by wikipedia i read a short notice, that the first flight of a B17G was in August 43. But that's all history and long time ago...

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

@@jagcop8357 thank you for the info!

[@Thomas-em9du]

Some of my best, longest friendships started out with a fist fight 😊😮

[@KIP51448]

Who are the 18 people who give this a thumbs down? I don't get it.

[@allandavis8201]

KIP51448, it never ceases to amaze and confuse me when people dislike a video, film etc without commenting why, but you can bet that they aren’t classic tv series buffs, probably younger people who expect everything to be like todays Hollywood big budget movies.

[@ohwhatelse]

From the DUMBED down set who haven't a clue about war, heroes, bravery, or the extra mile. OR they're neo Nazis, I suppose.

[@kathyyoung1774]

@@allandavis8201 They probably disagree with actual history and want to change it. These brave men would also be accused of “toxic masculinity “ by pajama boys and strident feminists.

[@frederickwise5238]

Recognized Cpl Buck Taylor later to ride in Gunsmoke.

[@jameshughes455]

Yep - that was Newly!!

[@scvandy3129]

Another great, unique location used to perfection -- the German depot / compound / distribution center. The Quinn Martin Productions location scouts come through again. Nice to learn of Savage's background, what with his friendship and boxing match with Tim O'Connor's character. Well played by both. How nice to see a very young Buck Taylor, as the American corporal who dies in the escape attempt's gun fight, three years pre "Gunsmoke" as Newly O'Brien (1967). A trivial point, but too often we see movie and TV bartenders get "stiffed" for non-payment of drinks. Savage, suddenly realizing his precision bombing brainstorm when he spots the darts, and the chaplain dashed out of the officers' club shortly after ordering a second round. Interesting to see in the b.g. $.40 displayed on the cash register. Finally, the epilog with the chaplain advising Savage -- who can't put into words what he needs to say in his letter to O'Connor's widow -- was very effective. For me that scored more dramatic points than the dialogue about putting in for such-and-such commendation for bravery. A real crime we're never going to see 20th Century Fox TV release the definitive, authorized version of "12 O'Clock High" -- utilizing their vault's video and sound elements -- on BluRay and DVD.

[@dindinprivate3477]

Just FYi - Major Harvey Stovall is not a chaplain but the ground exec.

[@mickey1849]

Yes, the German depot, until when those guys are escaping out the front gate and suddenly you see the California desert across the street!

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

@@mickey1849 couldn't be, I didn't see it!

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

Why not?

[@mickey1849]

@@MaveRick-on2cm A lot of the airport scenes were shot at some locally used airport outside of San Bernardino somewhere. I suspect it didn't take much to set up their "German depot" somewhere around there.

[@deanouellette1868]

QM misspelled John van Dreelen's name in the opening credits...

[@johnmoorhousedecorated-nam899]

Milk runs nice when your short.... In NAM it was called 'SHORT TIMER', My last day was not a Milk Run by no stretch but was called out of the field prior to leaving. My NAM TOUR was over

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

Thanks for your service sir!

[@carlreed6186]

As an old dart player we all had our own darts and extra flights

[@johnmoore8016]

That would have made a good target for the Havilland DH.98 Mosquito bomber.

[@stevejauncey3086]

Eighth Air Force flew these on recon

[@paulbeasy7863]

Geez, doesn’t that mosquitos rolls Royce’s sound pretty. Much better than the the 17s Pratt and Whitney’s.

[@bilhanissenson]

When I was a girl, in an army base in Asmara i was deeply in love with general savage, now that I see him again after 50 years I can understand why, a real hero.

[@pjzdreamz]

Me too ! The character represented here by the Brigadeer qualifies as a warrior. In that same 50 odd year period I have served in the US Navy and met a few in three military services. There are lots of good soldiers and sailors, but the title 'Warrior' denotes a very special, select breed.

[@jimelliott6232]

pjzdreamz ac tion movie z action movie's a great day to

[@mariakelly4179]

Bilha Nissenson I've been in love with General Savage since 2010.

[@frederickwise5238]

Bilha, you said a magic word. 10 years later I was writing software for "guys" at that base. LOL Had a good friend posted there lost his truck when the "natives" got restless and attacked the base. Direct rocket hit on his pickup. Never was reimbursed.

[@terryhawkins8191]

Bilha Nissenson I hate the episode where he's shot down and KILLED off !!😢👍👍

[@blusnuby2]

A Mosquito, or a Bristol Beaufort Bomber would have been used in that 1-plane mission to do that pin-point bombing assignment---not a B-17.

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

But the mission was done with the B-17 because it was given to the yanks. Sorry.

[@paulgerald5808]

There was a bomber named The Lucky Lady and the Lady Lady Luck , both were I believe were B-17s . Thank you .

[@stevedandy973]

Once a B-17 goes in to a "death spiral," all the crew can do is bail out.

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Bail out is very difficult during a death spiral, g-forces will pin you into certain areas of a B-17. Not much you can do against that!

[@paulgerald5808]

If they can ,centrifutil force will trap you in a spinning or spiraling aircraft , Good luck in bailing out . Thank you

[@deanguando1335]

@@rodfirefighter8341 - thanks Rod - I always wondered how you could possibly get out under that condition.

[@marcelsimard1555]

I recall robert lancing in the show 87 th precient, with norman fell and gina rowland

[@mariakelly90210]

Great series!

[@lonestone55]

I need a drink and a smoke.

[@mariakelly4179]

Kevin D So do I (seriously).

[@joechiodi5529]

Did you get that drink Maria?

[@mariakelly5]

@@joechiodi5529 I'm working on it.

[@mickey1849]

Fast forward to "Platoon" and roll one of the gangster green. I hate the smell of cigraettes.

[@mickey1849]

@Maria Kelly Always my pleasure. I find a lot of good fellowship here in the KZbin comments section!

[@m.w.wilson234]

@6:10 - This is the USAF radar at Tempelhof Central Airport, West Berlin. This is the way I remember it in 1973. I am sure that the internet has some pictures to prove it.

[@Kimdino1]

Nazi Germany was never a signatory to the Geneva Convention. Many of its officers honoured its requirements out of respect, but they were in no way required to. Thus nothing they ever did could be a breach of the treaty and, though unfair, there was nothing technically wrong with keeping Ps.O.W. in a combat zone.

[@cloddert]

Not sure why you think that. Look up the 1929 Geneva Convention (the one that dealt with prisoners of war) and you will see Germany as a signatory.

[@Kimdino1]

@@cloddert The Weimar Republic was a signatory, but Nazi Germany would not accept many of the agreements made by them and never signed on their own behalf. So. Nazi Germany was not a signatory.

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

@@cloddert Nice catch!

[@Scatscar1985]

Tim O'Connor was young once?

[@dontrotter1099]

a german colonel with the knights cross with swords and diamonds but no other badges to show how he earned it.

[@Neal_Schier]

Very well spotted!

[@rexdenemo5235]

If there ever was a tv series that needed to be digitally re-mastered, digitally enhanced and converted to color, this is the one to do. V/r. Robin Rex DeNemo former Lt. U.S.N.R.

[@davidlium9338]

Except I don’t think it should be colorized.

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

@@davidlium9338 I think it's a good idea,

[@deadandburied7626]

June 1942, a grim time.

[@rotax636nut5]

I could see the det cord ignite that set off the dynamite they used to blow up the building

[@isbastardbunny]

Enjoying this TV show so far. Not sure that a B17 was ever used for precision bombing !

[@watchgoose]

better read up on it

[@rodfirefighter8341]

It was not the plane or crees fault. The B-17 had the super duper, high tech bombing sights called the Norton, better motorcycles than all eggs in one basket, super secret that all enemies had working copies of before we started serious operations. Japan improved on it, but really it seemed a dead end. Often wondered why we stayed with it till the B-36 and B-49. Out dated in the late 30's but still being used in front line types in the 50's. Congress should look into that.

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Phone can't seem to spell crew, oh! Not Cree!? That's better.

[@markfields1692]

Rod Firefighter close, it was the Norden Bombsight, invented by Carl Norden. It was still classified a few decades later. I found a book in my local library about it in the late 1970’s that gave limited descriptions. It was so secret they delivered and removed it from the aircraft in a bag. They were supposed to destroy it if they were going down but I would imagine some got into enemy hands.

[@-oiiio-3993]

@@rodfirefighter8341 The bomb sight was Norden, not Norton. www.maxwell.af.mil/News/Display/Article/420450/the-enigma-of-the-norden-bombsight/

[@user-vf5hn9gq4i]

i like in this 12 o'clock high episode,that they had tim o'connor who played elliot carson on'peyton place'!

[@timlaird4323]

A lot of smoking in that era. But everyone is smoking filtered cigarettes which were not introduced until 1954.

[@axiomist1076]

Tim Laird Thats ok. In a movie with Tom Hanks filmed in Israel, he was an American pilot who falls for a girl (this is in 1942) and he takes her out in a 1953 MG-TD.

[@brd400]

Most people smoke back then including....... gasp .....in front of children

[@mickey1849]

@@brd400 Drank like fish too. Many would be considered boozers in today's culture.

[@DominiqueCurtis-p8i]

I actually wrote to RL back then about the cig filter. He wrote back a little note (in ink, bleu) explaining. About the filter. W/ an autographed photo. I wish I still had it.

[@paulgerald5808]

The only 4 engine aircraft the flies like a fighter plane . She is extremely manouvreavle aircraft . Thank you .

[@jeffmilroy9345]

The most troubling of this is the results of the strategy. No one has ever proved that allied bombing of Germany ever achieved its primary goals. But then, territorial disputes are an evolved behavior across all species. No individual is spared. At best, at least it can be said it pulled Luftwaffe fighters off the ground campaign. I suppose that is something.

[@bobbarker1476]

This was a hi karate episode.

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

I remember Hai Karate commercials as a kid! Thought they were cool! wanted the stuff, you never know when that might come in handy...

[@letunityblossom5733]

Ich schaue aus die Europäische Union, Litauen. Danke.

[@duanelarue6292]

Apparently Quinn Martin didn't get along with Lansing

[@andresferrari5859]

I am in the majority when it comes to Robert Lansing vs Paul Burk. Rather than killing off Lansing's character of General Savage,... a better choice would have been to give Savage a promotion to a two star general to take the place of General Crow. While he wouldn't have been in every episode, he would have been in many and sometimes would fly missions with Burk's character as the an observer and co-pilot.

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

Good idea. Wish we had all the facts but maybe not possible now. One story goes that Robert Lansing wouldn't accept the proposed changes that seemingly would have grounded the General.

[@lsmart]

For those who wonder why I and so many others can't stop raving about Lansing and bemoaning the downgrade with his replacement Burke, just look at how central Lansing's simple dialogues with Crow and Stovall and others are to each of these episodes. Perhaps Burke was not the only reason that the producers chose a more typical TV approach in seasons 2 and 3 with scripts about loners going haywire and nearly wrecking their unit before redeeming themselves in a final blaze, and with lots of bailouts and POW scenes and commando raids, but part of it was surely because they could not build an episode around quiet, emotional and thought-provoking dialogue scenes with Burke as they could with Lansing.

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

I think that these things you say could be factors in the decision.

[@sillyone52062]

Not typical for the bombers to hit the same target twice in a row, much less 3x in a row. Had to happen for the story, I guess.

[@davidcarr6329]

For all the smoking they do, I wish they'd paid attention to details. Filtered cigarettes didn't exist until 1954.

[@Elvis20101]

Everyone comments on filtered cigarettes, it's a TV show

[@rollosnook]

Co-pilots gets shot in every episode, most dangerous job in the 8th Air Force...

[@rollosnook]

@Maria Kelly And a German from "The Longest Day"

[@ohwhatelse]

I was the 7th child in our family, born in 1944. At some point, we had had a nice fat hog that was meant to help provide for our large family. But, the gov't came & took it "to support the war...", whatever.... We were poor country ppl & I know Dad never again trusted the gov't. about anything! Did they take that much from others, who had more than we did? Or just from farmers & those who had what they wanted? You always have to wonder how much of that kind of stuff is pilfered by greedy fingers, though. Well, at least WE wondered!

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

I don't think I would either! Nixon was in charge of Gas ration cards, and I heard that cheated on those to his own benefit.

[@allandavis8201]

TBH I only watch this series so I can see how many rewrites of history the production company decides to include, so far it’s only one, the main focus of the mission to destroy the German ability to produce “flying bombs” (the V1 and V2) was on Peenamunda where Werner Von Braun (later an American hero and NASA director) was perfecting the V2 to destroy British and European cities, not a fishing reel manufacturing plant, Lyon France. This isn’t about the history of the war, more of a point of principle, it always strikes me the General Savage can do whatever he wants when he wants, did one star Generals really have the authority to ring up a fighter group and get them to do a photo recon of a heavily defended target?, especially when they already had all the photographs they might need, it’s not that I don’t know that this is all fictional but if your going to make a TV 📺 series about the military in WWII then it should reflect the TRUE HISTORY OF THAT WAR, it is almost denigrating to see military operations and procedures swept away until they might never have existed, and as a veteran I don’t think it is right or proper to behave in such an offhand manner with military service. Ok, I take back the reason for the PR flight, but not how it was organised. The other thing I don’t get is why did the German guards fall for the most overused escape ruse in tv history, I don’t believe they would, the German guards would give a dam about a prisoner in pain. I really don’t think that the “pinpoint bombing” of that building would have been done by a B-17, especially when the RAF had the “wooden wonder”, the Mosquito, that had a reputation for pinpoint missions like this one, and again,I know it is only fictional, but nonetheless the Mosquito was faster could carry nearly the same bomb load and could bomb from a lower altitude than the B-17, so it would only make sense to give the mission to the RAF, I’m sure the writers could have written in that General Savage had been trained to fly the mosquito and would fly the mission, if he missed then the rest of the group would follow in and bomb the whole area, just like General Wiley wanted.

[@MaveRick-on2cm]

I don't remember seeing a mosquito in the show, or at the base. the mosquito had no weapons except its speed (and bombs) last I knew.

[@skye1212]

What a show. Based on incredible real life sacrifice. They should have never replaced Robert Lansing in the show. Paul Burke was fine but not as good imo.

[@johnrogan9420]

These stories seem true.. unlike the Space movies and tv shows...sci fi at best!

[@happy04346]

It's surprising that just two men died in something like this?

[@richardleonhardt8440]

I wish I could have been there with them

[@scottgoodman8993]

One of the enlisted crew looks like Deuce Bigalow.

[@Christopher41791]

Robert Lansing was a Great Talented Actor, unfortunately he was wrongfully Fired , because he didn't fit into the Scheme of things in Hollywood , in those Days. I can say the Same about Actor George Peppard .....!

[@paulgerald5808]

Shoulder patch of the USAAF 8th Airforce ???

[@dontaylor9392]

6:35 Why all of a sudden is the general in the co-pilot seat???

[@13TMO]

The general is the co-pilot. 7:06

[@watchgoose]

normally he is the left-seater

[@mariakelly4179]

DON TAYLOR Nice piece of trivia: it's the only time Savage is the co-pilot in the series, for whatever reason.

[@johnrogan9420]

Gasoline truck bomb...pre dates a similar real attack in 1982 of the USMC barracks in Lebanon ...weird!

[@1stinsonguy]

Our brigadier is out of uniform, wearing white socks 41:24 HaHaHa

[@johnrogan9420]

I am going to guess he was in the radio Army group from 1946 to 1948...after WW2...his publicist tried to make it look like he was a WW2 vet...10 in 1939....12...13...14...15...1941 to 1945...supposedly was on the radio on 1948 to 1950 in Indiana. ...he was only 16 to 18 years old in 1946 to 1948...Osaka Japan. .after Japan fell...

[@user-bc5nl6uq5t]

was that robert blake on the bombsite?

[@markhodge7]

If it happened, that has Congressional written all over it

[@82Echo411]

seem like a job for RAF Mosquitos or B-25s

[@Rikki0]

+82Echo411 Indeed. Mosquitoes were the best low level pin point bombers of the war.

[@robertsmoot7640]

82Echo411! Right you are especially about the Mosquitos, they would be perfect for that job not a 17.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@robertsmoot7640 Or a Typhoon

[@rodfirefighter8341]

P-38 would have been what was available? Makes sense!

[@user-wp4zh6po3k]

Robert Lansing/Robert Stack. Related ??

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

Likely not.

[@DouglasKYoung]

When does Sergeant Schultz come into the Show?

[@stevejauncey3086]

I know nothing lol

[@johnt.4947]

At 46:35, "enough with air raid siren!"

[@artiemcc]

I'm going to torch me up a filter tip.

[@johnmoore8016]

why did they have a new call sign for ever mission. looked like it if it was the same unit and squadron was on every mission they could kept same call sign all the time.

[@pjzdreamz]

John ! In Warfare, Intelligence gathering is vital and you would be amazed how much a good, well rounded intelligence unit can extrapilate about you if you DON'T.

[@susanboylefanable]

Except that to do that during war is pretty much to telegraph parts of your operation to the enemy.

[@johnrogan9420]

Think the writers enjoyed inventing new call signs...boyscouts...ramrod to bumblebees...lol

[@johnrogan9420]

@@pjzdreamz photo recon interpreters....

[@rodfirefighter8341]

We never used any call sign twice! Why should we?