Twelve O'Clock High : S1E18 The Lorelei

Twelve O'Clock High is an American drama series set in World War II. This TV series originally broadcast on ABC-TV for two-and-one-half TV seasons from September 18, 1964, through January 13, 1967; was based on the motion picture Twelve O'Clock High (1949).

[@tomnekuda3818]

Bruce Dern always plays a damn good Bruce Dern!

[@jstetzer01]

He's a great character. Would love to see him in more movies.

[@BrianR.]

@@jstetzer01 well he's been in 117 movies so far....

[@williambrownlee4534]

Dern has starred in several episodes of this series .

[@billylongnights6205]

“If you can dodge a piston, you can dodge a ball!” -Patches O’Houlihan

[@jefferyballard894]

Thanks for posting the episode. Rip Torn has been one of my favorite actors since High School. I have been trying to see all of his work for years, especially his early stuff like this. Thanks again.

[@donallan6396]

He portrays a jeweller who steals his nephew's lottery ticket on Columbo. Also the sleazy Southern Gentleman trying to fix the card game in the Cincinnati Kid.

[@theresadelicot5104]

Wonderful, well written episode.

[@mariakelly4179]

I love Bruce Dern's performance in this episode. And the look on Savage's face when Royce says that he wants another aircraft because the Lorelei "doesn't like him".

[@alhanes5803]

Yeah that was funny. So,,,,,, this plane doesn't like you? lol.

[@marilyncooper7208]

I keep watching 1st season over and over😍

[@guyazbell7437]

Marilyn Cooper me to

[@dindinprivate3477]

You are not alone LOL

[@DBEdwards]

It's the best. Season One beats two and three hands down

[@lsmart]

Second time around for me. The episodes seem even better, given that it now follows my viewing of seasons 2 and 3.

[@Doug326]

I am on round 3.

[@jerrygundecker743]

This announcer could make a box of pencils sound exciting.

[@waynebender7720]

This is a spooky story. This one always gave me the chills.

[@axiomist1076]

Loved this more than regular action or emotional discussions episodes. This was twilight zoneish and much fun to watch.

[@stevensica89]

Berney Philips was in a well-known TZ episode.

[@robertball786]

@@stevensica89 000000000000000000000000000

[@watchgoose]

An incident similar to this landing actually happened. Great pilot, RIP.

[@sleddog1935]

I recall reading about that incident.

[@richardcline1337]

I've searched everything I can but can't find anything on it. www.snopes.com/fact-check/santiago-flight-513-wormhole/ is as close as I could get.

[@cattornado]

@@richardcline1337 They are referring to the crewless "phantom b17" which landed itself near an airfield in Belgium during WWII.

[@watchgoose]

@@cattornado that happened, but also an incident like this one - all crew deceased upon landing. PIlot had been badly injured and if he could have laid down and been treated, he might have made it. But with all crew injured he had to fly the airplane, which now had all the flying characteristics of a Mack truck, and likely bled out with the increased physical effort.

[@nordan00]

Great episode. Twilight Zone with a touch of Lord Jim! Plus, Rip Torn! Bruce Dern! And, let me tell ya, unlike B-17s, B-52s take forever to get out of after a mission! I know this from many long hours of personal experience.

[@garshdarnitibelieve8260]

Wow! Rip Torn from a Deputy Commander in the Army Air Corp to a top secret Men In Black organization...love it...thanks for the upload!

[@Hunpecked]

It took me most of the episode to recognize Rip Torn.

[@sillyone52062]

And Bruce Dern as the bombardier.

[@peterbrowne5589]

Lighting 3 cigarettes of the same match = Bad Luck. I haven’t heard that in a lot of years.

[@sillyone52062]

WW1 truism....a match lit that long attracted fire, either small arms or artillery.

[@juanmonge8]

A sniper would get a persons position by the third cigarette he could a lock on that person and get a shot off.

[@skuderman1]

I was U.S.A.F in Air Rescue during the Vietnam Era and we took three on a match seriously.

[@DBEdwards]

Goes way back

[@philbellamy5556]

@@sillyone52062 One the sniper sees it, two the sniper draws a bead and three the sniper fires.

[@danielrutschman4618]

Superstition or not, as a retired technician and engineer I can say from my experience that some machines are just jinxed.

[@Doug326]

So are some cars. California has a Lemon Law. If a car continues to require repairs, it is a "lemon" and the dealer must buy it back.

[@jerryw6699]

Rip Torn, I don't know what to think of him, Bruce Dern, I'm pretty sure he'll be famous someday.

[@watchgoose]

just google and you'll see what they both did.

[@LazlosPlane]

@@watchgoose That was a joke, Cletus.

[@dindinprivate3477]

That name: Rip Torn - pure Hollywood agent talk...

[@jameshughes455]

Bruce Dern killed John Wayne in "The Cowboys"!! Shame on him!!

[@alhanes5803]

Rip I think was very unlikable in this.

[@dougearnest7590]

According to Wikipedia, Bruce Dern appeared in four episodes of Twelve O'Clock High ... playing three different characters.

[@errolfan]

And we still won the war?

[@dougearnest7590]

@@errolfan - Yes, an actor who can play three different roles in the same series is called a force multiplier.

[@zefallafez]

More importantly they won their time slot!

[@pjpiling]

great series well done

[@68bonneville]

Pj McCabe #

[@gregford2103]

The first season has two strong actors, John Larkin and Robert Lansing. The show really suffered when the former died from a heart attack and the latter was fired.

[@vanillagorilla8236]

Lansing fired, tell me more please...

[@gregford2103]

He was fired after the first season. There was never a clear reason given, but the most believable is that the producer, Quinn Martin, didn't get along with him and fired Lansing.

[@richardcline1337]

@@gregford2103, what I read was that ABC gave Quinn Martin a "choice", fire Lansing or they would not pick up the next season. They wrote him out by killing him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ23inyVeZaSjtU

[@gregford2103]

@@richardcline1337 That's sounds plausible as well. Often networks will meddle for whatever reason, often to the detriment of a program. In this case, Twelve O'Clock went from being a show about a bomber group, and how the war affected it and their commander, to one that was more action-adventure oriented. It may be that ABC executives wanted it that way.

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

Vanilla Greg I've been researching this for a long time, using communications library information at the university I'm attending. The "You're Fired/I Quit" joint scenarios seem to be sharing the same seat on the bus. There's a large body of information to back up both positions. In researching the 64 65 season I found out that HIGH wasn't able to scratch up a large enough sampling as they call it of the "mass audience". It played late night Friday's at 930pm. Big problems were CBSs new GOMER PYLE and at 10pm, the color JACK PAAR SHOW hosted by a popular TV celebrity who previously hosted the Tonight Show. Surveys were taken immediately. Problems were said to be: Lack of Mass Audience Identification with the layout; with an "officer driven " format (730 Tuesday COMBAT by contrast was staffed largely by "enlisted"); and many former military were highly critical of a General in the pilot seat and of the show overall. Objections were aimed at the QM style of drama which military buffs said was irrelevant to their interests. When a QM show falters, it's said that QM looked immediately at the lead actor. ABC's deduction was that a start of the evening time slot would help. As with COMBAT...Thus the reasons for the moves to retool and remodel the show. Midseason the series was moved up to 10pm and out of the GOMER PYLE problem. Ratings did improve, enough to encourage ABC to plan on a second season renewal. Another problem was that ABCs string of half hours leading up to HIGH was not delivering any lead in strength. 930 belonged to GOMER PYLE and 10pm belonged to JACK PAAR. According to VARIETY the Hollywood/New York trade paper , in their "Top 40 for the Season " Chart printed in April 65, the show entered the Top 40 in April at the end of the season. In a full season roster of all shows for 64 65, Fall through Summer, number 1 to 106 ( there were about 20 more unlisted here; I had hoped to find Outer Limits Yr 2 but alas it wasn't above the 106th mark) ....12 O'CLOCK HIGH is shown as being at around 101st place; a Friday night running mate Jonny Quest made about 105th.... Please note thar I do NOT endorse "audience ratings". Many mathematicians claim that they are accurate, but again I'm not proposing that they are. I do study these "numbers" just the same to learn all I can about the fates and fortunes of our favorite shows. From what I've gathered in research so far, ABC and COMBAT were pleased to base their strength on a "male demographic". Women viewers were drawn to NBC s HIGH School drama MR NOVAK opposite COMBAT. Women and "girl teens" according to the trade papers. ABC undoubtedly intended to use some of COMBAT s recipe for audience getting to jump start the B17 dramas. One important exception was the intention to include women as well in the "new" (intended) demographic mix. Thus the mix of crashes behind enemy lines plus more romantic dramas back in England. Quinn Martin's dramatic recipe plus his enormous roster of guest performers guaranteed the appearance of the series as we have come to know it. The new time slot chosen for the series was Monday 730pm. Replacing Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea which was shipped over to Sunday. Opposition would be two half hours on NBC in color (which didn't prove to be much of a problem) and two CBS panel shows which were listed as the time period winners but which had been weakened by earlier ABC efforts here ---Cheyenne, Outer Limits and the aforementioned Voyage. HIGH managed to land in 55th place for the season according to one chart I've found--- will need to confirm this; more Retro ratings charts are being posted on line and many are reaching down a little further than the overdosed Top 10s).....HIGH managed too to obtain the requisite 30% audience "share" that enabled ---- barely---- another renewal. (Please pardon shaky proofing. My screen is too small for the best work here.)

[@edstyer2566]

Thanks for the memories

[@paulsuprono7225]

I'm lovin it - 'rank, has its' privileges.' A favorite, of mine ! 🇺🇸

[@Bettyfan92614]

The copilot was Barry Russo, another Star Trek player: Lt Cdr. Giotto, The Devil in the Dark , Commodore Robert Wesley, The Ultimate Computer.

[@danielrutschman4618]

Start Trek also inherited its music from this show.

[@billchapel5248]

I remember back when i was a young lad, we would smoke in my buddy's garage, and we always remembered the three on a match thing.

[@skuderman1]

Yeah, I was U.S.A.F. in Air Rescue during the Vietnam Era and we did the three on a match thing too.

[@dindinprivate3477]

It is not a superstiton but based on military reality. In a fraught situation showing a light could get you killed. Three on a match left the light lit too long.

[@superbmediacontentcreator]

This was a favorite series of mine when I was a tween and this was my favorite episode. I have remembered it and have always found that machinery of all sorts including computers and other equipment all have personalities, perhaps not as eccentric as Lorelei but for 58 years now (it's 2022) I have remembered the personality of Lorelei and the characters in the series.It also shaped my feeling about luck and that luck only happens when you don't need it even if it is of course welcome, just don't depend on it. I always wondered if Slim Pickens got his inspiration for the Col that rode the bomb in Dr. Strangelove from Bruce Dern in this episode of 12 O'clock High?

[@asya9493]

They do have personalities, I was a pilot and some aircraft definitely have their own ways; others don't as much. Yep, don't depend on luck and try to push the need for it into the corner as far as you can, but a bit of the need for it is always there. Poor Lorelei, all she wanted was to have the Four Leaf Clover gone and her own name back.

[@superbmediacontentcreator]

@@asya9493 Great comment...

[@terryhawkins8191]

lol ! The look on General Savage face at shooting her down says it all........he didn't know weather to feel relieved or sad about destroying her !!!

[@ricks1019]

Finally someone who knows how to render a proper salute...

[@mariakelly4179]

Rick Shannon Well, Robert Lansing was the star of the show so he could salute any way he wanted to.

[@fhuber7507]

Flag officers are notorious for less than "by the book" salutes, except to higher ranking officers.

[@nordan00]

@@fhuber7507 Kind of the same with your buddies back in my USAF days (86-92). However, the sharpness of your salute was directly proportional to the seniority of the officer you were saluting.

[@johnrettig1880]

Wow .... So far this episode reminds me of the comic book of " Weird War Tails " . Some stories of combat were true and some where made up . There's two stories of airplanes coming back from a mission one a bomber and one was of a fighter . Also the " Twilight Zone " played with a couple of stories about "Dead Aircraft " returning to base / airport .

[@toml.1408]

I remember watching this episode back in the day. Very creepy.

[@82Echo411]

Torn & Dern - quite a crew.

[@mariakelly4179]

82Echo411 My favorite line is when the plane fouls up for the final time and Bruce Dern yells, "I knew it! I KNEW IT!"

[@tss77]

Like most things The Lorelei was just a huge lemon from the demand from the Factories for more Flying Forts, Hollywood just added something spooky to it for dramatic effect.

[@DirkDiggler6903]

Thanks for posting!

[@stevedandy973]

The Red Badger 1 bombardier is Bruce Dern.

[@jrb664]

People smoked back then. It was appropriate for the period. It’s irritating to see people apply today’s attitudes to things made decades ago. If you don’t like it then don’t watch it.

[@scottuehlinger7887]

An incident like this did happen...I believe it was written up in Martin Caidin's book Flying Fortresses. The similar TZ episode was "The Arrival" - a good one!

[@scottuehlinger7887]

I also read a WW2 anecdote about a B-29 abandoned by crew which kept on flying (Pacific Theater)...a P-61 Black Widow was dispatched to shoot the B-29 down...which it did...with difficulty.....

[@dannyhonn973]

And a crewless B17 landed in France. Pilot engaged auto after target, crew bailed out, malfunctioning engines made it land. In one piece.

[@fhuber7507]

Rip Torn... before the bad choices.

[@OldCavLT]

What did the crew die of, fright? Zero flak holes. Zero bullet holes. The mind boggles.

[@jeffblacky]

ive read reports of oxygen loss in a number of planes. Some even landed with crew dead from suffocation

[@paulsuprono7225]

@@jeffblacky OMG . . . 😲👿😱💀

[@irish89055]

Weak script

[@DBEdwards]

Joe Cobb comes over way better in this episode than General Savage. Joe Cobb had intuition and was right about Loralei. Someone mentioned Twilight Zone Episode. It was.

[@TEGRULZ]

Something that always bugs me, Joe Cobb ought to have been Deputy Group Commander and a Lt. Colonel by now.

[@carlkalman1148]

TEGRULZ At least he’s alive in the series :-D ....in the movie his plane blew up.....

[@barryking4771]

I thought is why is a General, commanding a Group. That would usaully be a Lt. Colonel slot or maybe a Colonel.

[@TEGRULZ]

@@barryking4771 the movie makes it clear that Savage took over for a Group Commander that cracked under pressure. Actually Joe Cobb's role isn't very clear in the group, being a Major and apparently Regular Army Air Corps/Army Air Force means that he is likely fairly senior, and he does lead missions, but he's not formally a Squadron commander and he's gone by Season 2, because we have three new Squadron Commanders (Joe Gallagher and the other two.) I will say that the logical conclusion is that he's transferred out to get his own Group.

[@Maria-co9eg]

​@@TEGRULZThe guy Savage took over from in the movie was named Keith Davenport, played by Gary Merrill.

[@mariakelly5]

I am so sick of all of the self-righteous, judgemental remarks about Robert Lansing's smoking habit. Yes, he did smoke too much. Yes, it did cause the cancer that took him away from us too soon. But there was more to Mr. Lansing than his smoking. After all, I was under the impression that his acting was the reason why people are watching these videos.

[@adamscott7354]

Someone said it finally, (although I'm guessing we're both smokers ourselves am I right?)

[@rodfirefighter8341]

A man!

[@lindakeogh4178]

My father told me that smoking was prescribed to servicemen to help them relieve stress. He smoked during his time in service but gave it up when he left the Air Force. Smoking was a part of those times.

[@dindinprivate3477]

Right on!

[@lsmart]

@Carol Young I'm not sure which particular comments you had in mind, but in general I don't see mentioning his smoking as looking to find fault. I see it as a sad reality. It is painful to watch a man smoking his head off when you actually know that it will soon take his life. The fact that he was such a superb actor only makes that fact even more tragic, considering how many more years he could have lived and won the public's adulation.

[@rogerlynch5279]

It was very much like the script about an airplane on THE TWILIGHT ZONE. must had been a Halloween episode

[@tomnekuda3818]

Haven't thought about the WWII "three on a match" deal in quite awhile. This sure brought it back. Mrs. Royce sure is a pushy broad!

[@skuderman1]

I was U.S.A.F. in Air Rescue during the Vietnam Era and we took three on a match quite seriously.

[@tomnekuda3818]

@@skuderman1 Yes, we did, too, as ground pounders. Thanks for having the sky when we needed you.

[@tomnekuda3818]

@Maria Kelly Why what?

[@DBEdwards]

Bet you don't know the cost of a Boeing B17 in 1943. It was $250,000 dollars at that time.

[@matrox]

A drop in the bucket because taxpayers picked up the tab.

[@billhuber2964]

put that plane in the twilight zone !!!!!

[@mariakelly4179]

Bill Huber Speaking of The Twilight Zone, Robert Lansing appeared in what I consider to be one of the best episodes of the series, The Long Morrow.

[@rickkennett3192]

Also it was directed by Don Medford who directed five episodes of Twilight Zone

[@johnheigis83]

Oh,Oh! I just hit the 1000 for Thumb up. Lol.

[@matrox]

That means good luck and the perfect time to play the Lotto within 7 and 13 hours.

[@idolhanz9842]

Yeah get the flight engineer on it.

[@olentangy74]

Dominic Frontiere’s musical score is recognizable across other scores he wrote for other series. The Outer Limits, The FBI, and The Invaders. You can recognize certain arrangement that all the shows had that are similar.

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

In the beginning I would have never known that the Col was Rip Torn. Holy cow

[@lsmart]

Me neither, although once he starts talking a lot you start to notice his distinct style of talking with a protruding lower jaw, although it was not nearly as exaggerated as it became in his later years.

[@johnmoorhousedecorated-nam899]

The general should of given him another plane.. just because he's his second in command and he asked...

[@mariakelly90210]

WRONG!

[@errolfan]

Rip Torn. Must go through a lot of flight suits.

[@rodfirefighter8341]

Yeap, the engine restarted they showed was feathered!

[@ziblot1235]

Yeah I feel cheated. So what was wrong with the ole Lorelei? They ducked that.

[@dindinprivate3477]

She was possessed.

[@juanmonge8]

Savage’s co-pilot looks like Martin Landau from the side.

[@user-vl4kh6yt9i]

Which side?

[@jeffblacky]

should of done a star trek ep called "The USS Lorelei "

[@panzerdeal8727]

I do believe in secret, Savage was glad to be RID of it.

[@ziblot1235]

What astrange one. Lorelei. Go figure. And the flak made just enuff holes for it to run out of gas! So strange. Who thought of this! And Bruce Dern too! What a character. He always plays the same role, whether its Gunsmoke or 12 O Clock. How about those mechanics..what super fix it guys. Working 24-7 patching up hopeless wrecks, ad having it ready the next day. They were the real heroes..on both sides.! Well unsung anyway Doing the impossible.

[@coreyandnathanielchartier3749]

There was at least one case of a abandoned B17 landing itself in England.

[@mariakelly4179]

Corey and Nathaniel Chartier Really? Do you know the details?

[@mikearakelian6368]

I always liked my airplane; and worked on it 5 days a week...and made sure everything worked.even the heater.never got prop de ice to work.used another ov ice ex in winter however...just like pam...ice not stick!

[@mikearakelian6368]

Darn Chinese can't spell for shit

[@rankedpsiguy1]

The Twelve O' Twilight Zone episode.

[@edbdiver]

Another was Season 2's "Angel Babe"

[@DBEdwards]

My thoughts exactly. Only where was Rod Serling for the intro?

[@williambrownlee4534]

OMG !! Rip Torn !!! How funny ...

[@vanillagorilla8236]

Bruce dern ?

[@MrBurninCross]

"We're over the city; ok, fire away."

[@meherbs36]

Yaaaay! We get something Paranormal, as a treat.

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

The thing is ... people get used to having to deal with problem machinery - and - they would NOT have continued to use that aircraft as a Group Leader. They'd have used it - but not leading the Group. It was common for them to have Hangar Queens that just had constant problems. Often times these aircraft would end up being cannibalized for spare parts and never be used again. That wasn't the intent but just the way things worked out. The more they cannibalized it - the farther it got from ever being put back on line again. Because of this phenomenon there were commands that forbade cannibalization - but - that was ignored the first time they had one plane down for multiple reasons and a reliable aircraft that just needed one part they didn't have in stock. The Hangar Queen was chosen to furnish that part. This was true of any mechanics shop, regardless of what machinery they were using. In the Navy it went as far as entire ships. This had nothing to do with superstition. If you had a problem machine - you just didn't put it in a role where you had to count on it. In the case of the Navy - what had happened - was that they had one or two entire classes of ships that had been completed - and they had a lot of parts left over - so they built four more ships of an experimental class from those parts. The problem was - a lot of the parts they had left over - were parts that had been rejected from the previous ship classes while under construction. These parts had been rejected for reason and while they were able to use them - they were not the top quality parts that had gone into the ships of the previous classes. The Navy had constant reliability problems with these ships. Eventually, though they tried to use them for some time, they gave up and scrapped them. .

[@poetcomic1]

Brave pilots! All that second hand smoke is deadly.

[@ardvarkkkkk1]

poetcomic1 Bull shit.

[@stevejauncey3086]

Same as being hit by flack and fighters. Life was cheap then.

[@dkoz8321]

This is a Twighlight Zone episode.

[@lonestone55]

The plane is clearly haunted. Now where did I leave my cigarettes?

[@mariakelly4179]

Kevin D This is basically the Twelve O'Clock High Halloween episode.

[@marilyncooper7208]

I keep watching them over and over

[@terryhawkins8191]

Marilyn Cooper ikr..... THIS was a GREAT series !!👍👍

[@terryhawkins8191]

Maria Kelly 🎃 Yeah !!😂😂👍🎃

[@terryhawkins8191]

Maria Kelly General Savage at the end was thinking " I hope this thing DON'T fire BACK " !!🙄🤔😂😂👍

[@marilyncooper7208]

They were the best. First year 🤞

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

Don't give up on the rest of it!

[@timothysowers685]

General Savage.says SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE

[@Macleodking]

I think the general was playing King of the Hill just a little here. The Lorelei was a certified lemon that drew flak like a magnet and should have been grounded. But Savage had to prove that the issues were just coincidence and the imaginations of the crew of the Lorelei. Every mission that involved a missed target would go down on that crew's record.

[@matrox]

How many missions did Gen Savage complete before Col. Galagher shot him down?

[@Gwaithmir]

Rip Torn was so young, I didn't recognize him.

[@johnrettig1880]

Is Everyone else forgetting about the Bugs Bunny verses the Grimlines Should have thrown a Rabbit in the airplane just to see what would happen . 😁🤣

[@errolfan]

The epilogue should have had Lansing walking around a ladder. Fingers crossed will have to do.

[@DressedByTheTrueDiVine]

That was an awkward opening scene, fumbling around with those cancer sticks. That cancer stick addiction ate them up and spit them out.

[@timothyjordan5731]

"Well whaddya know! Bombs away".

[@russg1801]

How TF does an engine restart by itself? Now if the ignition was on and she wasn't feathered, it could conceivably start. But those prop blades weren't going to windmill.

[@mariakelly4179]

Russ G But this was the Lorelei, a bird with a mind of her own.

[@kevinp8212]

Yes, this happened all the time. If the prop wasn't feathered, it was like push starting a car. Remember , only one engine was feathered! If the props were not feathered, they would windmill like crazy! Why do people make such stupid comments? Oh, maybe because you never push started a car, duh!

[@panzerdeal8727]

Lorelei...any relation to Christene...?

[@guyazbell7437]

You would think Gen.Savage would use the bad B-17 as target practice and give another plane to the Col. To many coincidences.

[@gmag3253]

General is savage

[@lsmart]

Just a couple of comments and questions: 1) What is that white thing that Royce rolls his hand over on 2 occasions, apparently for good luck? 2) Throughout the series, they always hit flak, but I don't ever recall a plane going down from a flak hit. The damage to the Lorelei at the beginning of this episode is the first such episode I can recall. Does anyone know how often planes went down and/or crew got killed from anti-aircraft fire in WWII? 3) I just wish at least once the writers would have Savage be wrong and he'd have to re-assess his assumptions. Even his mistaken assumption about Royce's illness is so unusual in this series. 4) Loved the final line and Wiley's reaction.

[@davidmcghee660]

rabbits foot

[@lsmart]

@@davidmcghee660 Thanks. I'm obviously not sufficiently up to date on superstition and amulets. Live and learn.

[@bradhowe9151]

That was a "lucky" rabbits foot...not so lucky for the rabbit... Flak or ak ak took out planes on both sides.

[@lsmart]

@@bradhowe9151 Thanks.

[@GIOVANNI1955C]

That's Rip Torn.

[@andrewachterhof3198]

Has anyone else noticed that they are using the G models as well

[@steve-ph9yg]

The show used 2 G models with the chin turrets removed. If you look very close at scenes of the Piccadilly Lilly you can see the round patch were the chin turret belongs. The Piccadilly Lilly is now at the planes of Fame Air Museum in Chino California. She is being restored to flying condition as a G model KZbin has a large number of video of the planes restoration.

[@barryking4771]

Rip Torn was a good actor. Sad in ended up an alcoholic, in all kinds of legal problems.

[@timbumgarner4867]

I haven't seen the ending yet but I bet savage comes out on top, and is right

[@mariakelly90210]

As is right and proper.

[@GIOVANNI1955C]

Rip Taylor was a roaring comedy "queen".

[@watchgoose]

what does that have to do with this?

[@juanmonge8]

You are confusing Torn with Taylor. Torn was married to the great actress Geraldine Paige.

[@motomark9736]

You have the wrong rip in mind

[@mariakelly90210]

"I knew it! I KNEW IT!"

[@Dave-tw9ib]

man those smoke alot

[@matrox]

Everybody smoked back then well into the 1970s and 80s.

[@coreyandnathanielchartier3749]

Did they freak out at every 4 leaf clover and rabbits foot?

[@mariakelly4179]

Corey and Nathaniel Chartier No, just Rip Torn's character. I guess Lorelei didn't like having her name changed.

[@johnc4876]

Smokers…

[@randypochel9313]

Lets go home Its Miller Time

[@carolecarr5210]

Never would a group leader on ground tell a command pilot not to bail on our. Nonsense to TV, & then a 2 star calling him.

[@billhuber2964]

7:00 freaky.

[@SOffenbach]

This is common. It's caused by Gremlins.

[@Lazarus0357]

01:09 Did they have cigarettes with filter back in 1943-1944? I was a baby back then so I don't remember. Regards

[@michaelbutler7987]

I noticed that in episode 16. I know they had them in the mid 50's. L&M, Parlament etc.

[@Ubique2927]

H.M. "Howling Mad" Murdock.??????

[@marty9011]

On the whole this is a great series but... the women are all wrong - wrong clothes & wrong hairstyles & far too glamourous.

[@matrox]

Not really...this was done in the early 60s, just 20 years after WW2...the women didn't change much in that 20 year span. Some of the Brits in the more upper class were well off the afford glamor.

[@russg1801]

Doesn't General Savage know smoking will shorten your life?

[@mariakelly4179]

Russ G This show was set in the the 40's and filmed in the 60's. They didn't know then what we know now.

[@garshdarnitibelieve8260]

It was actually instituted in WWII all the way up to Vietnam by the military to encourage a "smoke break" or any kind of break. That's why cigarettes were supplied in C-rations and sold very cheap at the commissary...

[@rodfirefighter8341]

I know they were still included in the summer of 1978. I smoked them.

[@motomark9736]

@@garshdarnitibelieve8260 the reason the cigarettes were cheaper on bases in the commissary was they weren't taxed and still aren't

[@garshdarnitibelieve8260]

@@motomark9736 understood... I was USMC (1970-76)...at px a pack of Lucky's cost 22cents...18 cents at ship's store... Peace!

[@mf7482]

Was it obvious to only me but General Crowe had 3 stars (Leiutenant General), in this episode he had only 2 stars (Major General). So something including a break in his command discipline caused him to lose a star?

[@juanmonge8]

I thought that it was Prichard that had three stars?

[@elzorro098]

He should be in the brig after stealing the airplane.

[@nofrackingzone2.057]

They wouldn’t have sent a bomber up to shoot down a crew-less plane, much less a general to pilot. They would have simple let it run out of fuel, sent up fighters.

[@nofrackingzone2.057]

Terry Hawkins Agreed. It would have been a waste of resources to send up anything else. The plot was silly.

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

They had the B17 as the star of the show so its doing everything other craft would otherwise do. Many interesting comments on the efficiency of P51s and Mosquitos mentioned here and about.

[@KCOliver1960]

When the show originally aired, it was sponsored by a cigarette company hence Lansing constantly smoking.

[@watchgoose]

sorry, but he was a heavy smoker anyway, which killed him by lung cancer. Haggar Slacks was the sponsor and they wanted a younger "hero", thus the character change the second season.

[@AdmiralNelson1000]

Dutch Masters cigars sponsored, eagerly, the ADDAMS FAMILY another new Friday ABC show that year. Don't know of John Astin was a smoker off screen but Dutch Masters provided Astin with complimentary boxes of cigars regularly. Early Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (also new thus season) aimed at older audiences initially also featured a lot of smoking, and Richard Basehart s shirt pocket has a cigarette pack inside much of the time. "And there was drinking too," David Hedison reported. A complimentary bottle was kept for guests in the Seaview's Observation Nose in season 1.