Twelve peers, number trouble and Xmas faux pas | James O’Brien - The Whole Show

[@megannehover]

I had an aunt who never passed a math test in her life - couldn't do math at all. But she played piano and danced, got a first in philosophy, taught English, was head of a large girl's school, worked as a magistrate, became a pillar of the community. She was a brilliant organizer. Today she would never have got a job at all, without math.

[@GloriaHoulihan]

The right to trial by jury is a basic right of a safeguard of freedom from an arbitrary government.

[@MrEmpireBuilder0000]

I began listening being biased against juries. But your discussion has changed my mind. Amazing how discussion can change opinions. Thank you, kind Sir.

[@midnightrider287]

I consider myself a reasonably balanced, mature person who can look at things objectively, yet I don't think I have any place to be a juror making decisions that massively affect others.

[@andrewstevenson118]

You may under-estimate yourself.

[@brianferguson7840]

I have done jury service twice and can only say that I tried my best to come to an unbiased decision based on only the information put in front of me.

[@andrewstevenson118]

1 hour 1 minute: "What do you call those people who hang out with musicians?" "Drummers." 🙂

[@TheLucanicLord]

Protip: enter a timestamp like this 1:01:00. It's clickable!

[@brianferguson7840]

​@TheLucanicLord I'm nowhere near analy retentive enough to do so !!

[@andrewstevenson118]

@@TheLucanicLord Ta. I generally try to avoid posting links. Dunno how YT will take it,

[@andrewstevenson118]

I've been chosen for jury service a couple of times. I'd like to do it. But once it was the first day of a new job, and the other time I had mobility issues. But... having heard the experiences of other people, I'd rather leave it to the experts. AKA judges and lawyers.

[@brianferguson7840]

Really? A section of society riddled with prejudices and preconceived views of other classes and social strata ?

[@richardgilbert5339]

There's a common misconception that if you have a criminal record that prevents or rules you out for jury duty ! It does only if you've had a custodial or a suspended sentence.

[@richardgilbert5339]

I've been on Jury duty twice,a whole week on both occasions of absolute boredom . Both times we the jury were instructed by the court clerk not to discuss the case,not just with family and friends but also each other until we deliberate the defendants innocence or guilt. By lunch on the first day some were already discussing the case. And by the third day had already made up their minds ! You are also provided with s note pad and pen for taking notes. I filled the whole pad snd more on notes on evidence given. After a week or more of hearing evidence you need to reference information when deliberating,I was one of three who took notes. It was an absolute shambles in the jury room. Also the jurrror carry prejudices, politics and religion with them Are juries actually impartial ? In Scottish law we have three verdicts. guilty, not guilty and not proven. Not proven essentially means neither the prosecution or the defence has convinced the majority of the jury of the defendant's guilt or innocence. Not an ideal outcome for potentially the vici of a crime if there was one. Or in the defendant's case they are neither guilty or innocent. If further evidence comes to light the defendant can be re arrested and summoned to court again. All sounds so simple until you take part in a jury !

[@robinhood20253]

I have flip flopped a couple of times listening to this about juries. My final position is that we should keep the judicial system rooted in the common people. Thank you to the caller who first made that statement , cause i was leaning the other way till that moment .

[@alanandjess7516]

Having served on a jury I would not liked to of been judged by it. There was certainly At least 2 to 3 people on it with very limited intelligence and obvious bias. Being judged by all and sundry is not justice.

[@chantalhughes4939]

When the program is this interesting they should not take news break,ads and be longer because so many intelligent conversation are being cut short,rushed or didn't get on...

[@tukicat1399]

Totally agree about juries, many years ago I was on a jury for break in, and assault, cut and dried, but some of the jurors still questioned it.. I think a panel, still with lawyers would be more efficient and fair.

[@charlesmclaughlin4444]

We had Diplock Courts (no jury) during the Troubles in the 70s.

[@andrewstevenson118]

33 minutes. Very disturbed by the anti-wombat sentiment. Lovely animals. (Es una broma)

[@nanslife]

Here in Australia when I went to my sisters, we have moved away now, we would all contribute so the expense is not carried by the host. One would provide the salads and bread rolls, one would provide the hams, or an chickens and one would providevtge seafood and deserts.

[@TheLucanicLord]

If you want a desert you can just go outside.

[@PleiadesImprezaT2000AWD-l4l]

Simon in Surrey @13:30 I think motoring offences stand alone in a lot of ways. He mentioned that lots of people drive and can see themselves making the same "mistake" (I'd call it wreckless negligence, but lots will see it as a mistake). We have a car-centric society and as a society accept quite a large number of deaths on our roads as a price for the freedom to drive everywhere. I'd also contest James's use of petrolheads, its as much your ordinary driver who probably isn't the most competent and can see themselves making a similar mistake.

[@BoadiceanRevenge]

Getting rid of juries is not the answer! A change and codification of the Criminal Law IS! 🙏⚖️🙏

[@andrewstevenson118]

One of my lawyer mates - who goes before the High Court, so he's decent - says "if you're innocent, choose a judge trial, if you're guilty go for a jury."

[@duetschesandpoppy]

Numbers are absolute? Poppycock! Pure unadulterated gibberish more like. Hearing 'try harder' is now abusive to me. As a child, in the 80's, no one understood and no one wanted to. I could not use a rotary phone, I would have to have my friends call home for me. By 17 I fully understood that I would never understand the grade 8 math text no matter how hard I or my VERY wonderful teacher tried. In BC Canada you needed min grade 10 math to get a GED in the 90's. I never graduated, and now one needs grade 11. I never will. Turns out I am also autistic, who new? (me), however I'm female so getting appropriately diagnosed when it really could have mattered and helped, was not in the cards for me. Anywho, my attempt at university ended ...not well, the shutdown cost me more than 5 years of my life. I can barely out calculate a gold fish, and when you can't remember the last number you just imputted into a calculator, they are paperweights to me. I have often described my math deficiency as an adult like such: Imagine being handed a 1000 plus page tome written in Cyrillic (or another language you cannot read) and then handed a small $1.00 airport phrase booklet translating English to German and told use it to help you to translate the Cyrillic into English. And then you look around no one else is having a problem with this set up, but to you it's all just gibberish. Ask for help and get told to: Try Harder.

[@MichaelN-l4t]

Acusatorial V. Inquisitorial.

[@kathrynhaworth7599]

Which episode is the one with neurodiversity. I'd like to listen to it.

[@KT_P_James]

James discusses it relatively regularly.

[@allancurrie9472]

The real truth is England , invented , very little , and Scotland , invented most , real things, reaserch that, and prove, me wrong ,don't try

[@saxman1276]

Did Scotland invent the comma?

[@DennisMoore664]

Why, are you, using, so many, commas,?

[@carolinethomas6562]

I'm not sure if the jury system has 'done all right for hundreds of years,' as many innocent people have been imprisoned/ executed. Listening to the discussion it strikes me that callers who haven't experienced being in a jury are in favour of juries, based on the principles of it, and a rather idealised view. All the people who've been in a jury room, and witnessed the apathy, prejudice etc of many jurors, are not in favour of the jury system. Surely it makes sense that the views of the latter group are more valid.

[@MyraRobertson-l8c]

I saw the program with two juries separated and they came up with different outcomes. This is peoples lives.

[@sudodrive]

75% of judges had a private education,6% of the population had the same. Consider justice must be done but also seen to be done.

[@gecila1]

Regards your opening point about train drivers... I've often thought that. It's weird how a lot of journalists are obsessed by them. Apply the same to many other things. Weird.

[@wiseget-f7e]

The London Labour echo chamber at LBC is always a laugh!😂

[@brianferguson7840]

Echo Chamber ? Chamber........ Chamber...... chamber....

[@petermullins6914]

Stuff ray😂😂😂😂

[@happychappy7115]

No juries, no prisons, where does this go?😮

[@geodav5700]

The court system is inherently corrupt. Cctv, recordings etc are loopholes allowed because of police/etc needing to obfuscate their own incompetence. Steel maning conservative talking.points is tedious and existential poison

[@TheLucanicLord]

2:06:17 I remember the Private Eye cartoon - Obverser takeover bid.

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

HAY-beus corpus, not her-BAY-us! {:o:O:}

[@BoadiceanRevenge]

Tony Hancock's The Missing Page! Ohhhh! So knickerwettingly hilarious! Still got the tapes! AND Round The Horn! Oh yeah! 😂😂😂🙋🙏🧑‍🎄

[@tomparker5000]

Andrew is past his perspiration date

[@MV-se4di]

Why has James not talked about the Luigi Mangione case all week?

[@brianferguson7840]

Why ? It's not a relevant story or in our interests.

[@richardmcrandal6696]

He's a puppet

[@andrewstevenson118]

It's one of many news stories around the world. You can't expect Mr O'Brien to address all of them.

[@richardmcrandal6696]

@@andrewstevenson118 🤣🤣

[@andrewstevenson118]

@@richardmcrandal6696 Oh, I see what you are. My mistake.

[@WILLYNOTWALLY]

LBC (LONG BACK COMB) a comb over style haircut with long hair on the top of the head combed backwards to cover the areas of the head without hair. Popularised by James OB.