Twin Cam 88 engine noise issue. Cam Tensioner? Lifters? let's find out.

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rusty7two

rusty7two

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@tssa5466
@tssa5466 Жыл бұрын
Same problem with 09 trike. Did a rebuild over the winter and used old lifters. Was quiet for 500 km then started the noise. Thanks for the insite
@oldasdihrt5993
@oldasdihrt5993 Жыл бұрын
Ya know...I started watching these videos cuz my bike makes a whining chirping noise. After watching about 8 or so videos, I have come to the conclusion that , " We're all in this together ", Cheers and have a nice day .😂
@dutchv.6019
@dutchv.6019 9 ай бұрын
Ever find the fix? My bike does the same thing. I need help.
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
You ain't joking. Posted this over a year ago and have had two more Harley's. seems to always be something.
@tylerkelly1044
@tylerkelly1044 3 ай бұрын
Was that whining chirping noise your cam chain tensioners? I had mine go out in Minneapolis on my way down to Kansas City and almost shelled my engine. But it was that same whining chirping noise. Also be very cautious a lot of people try to sell the gear drives to eradicate the cam chain tensioners those come with flaws so just be wary... I wasn't knowledgeable Anna and I had an old boy convinced me to put a gear drive in and I think that ended up showing my motor as I didn't keep up with the crankshaft run out and tolerances of which I was ignorant to. So be careful of that on those 88's
@thomaskavney4656
@thomaskavney4656 10 ай бұрын
Wow as I read through the comments and the ones who would do a rebuild and reuse the lifters you go that far the cost of new lifters it kinda makes sense to replace them
@douglynch8791
@douglynch8791 Жыл бұрын
Well it’s been five months. You never answered if you fixed it or what the problem was. Come on bud, you left us all hanging.
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
I am so sorry. Just posted an update. Link in the description.
@scottwilliamson9187
@scottwilliamson9187 Жыл бұрын
I just had my 02 wide glide making the same exact sound. I just bought my bike 2 weeks ago. They called me and said that my lifter has imploaded. I'm still waiting to pick up my bike but it's a highly reputable place that's doing the work. I 1000% agree with you when you say time gets away from people. The guy I bought the bike from showed me receipts for everything he just had done. Just had was 4 to 5 years ago but he didn't ride it much so
@igorgorzkowski4879
@igorgorzkowski4879 5 ай бұрын
Good luck brother! You are looking in all the right places but success is not guaranteed. I torn my engine twice, lifters rockers pushrod compesators chain tensioners OEM and aftermarket, sns crankshaft se plate and pump and the bike still sounds like a bucket of bolts. Found one real thing that made a bit of a difference though. Oil squirer, the one that wets the bottom of the piston was seized open. That helped a lot. The other thing is i actually went back to non adjustable rods and found them to be marginally quieter. I am done looking though. To much money in this project. Have fun!
@WesterStarThunder
@WesterStarThunder Жыл бұрын
The thing done last is what should have been done first. Change the oil. Is the level low? If so, oil starvation maybe the issue. The description of the oil tells me the oil has lost its viscosity. Thicker when cold very thin when warm-hot. If the noise is still there after running warm for a bit with new oil and filter, pull the cam plate and check passages and oil relief valve. Check the push rods to see if one is bent or clogged. (removing them intact is no big deal if you have been turning wrenches like you say you have) If all that checks out then turn your eyes to the lifters. Don't be a parts changer, diagnose.
@dylanfuller9501
@dylanfuller9501 Жыл бұрын
How’d it go? I have a high mile harley that started ticking fairly hard and I was wondering what solved your problem
@jamessouthworth1699
@jamessouthworth1699 Жыл бұрын
Good luck with the lifters and I hope that fixes your problem. I reused the original lifters in my cam swap but at the time my bike had less than 2,000 miles on it so I considered the lifters like new.
@rusty7two
@rusty7two Жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed! yes at 2000 miles I wouldn't hesitate to put them back. This one was at least 40k miles. In my mind that's a mistake.
@jamessouthworth1699
@jamessouthworth1699 Жыл бұрын
@@rusty7two Yeah at 30,000 or 40,000 miles I would have replaced them too....unless the guy wasn't familiar with Harley's. If he was going by car logic he may have thought that they were still low miles for lifters. A lot of the things I know now about the twin 88 came from experience with my own. Before that I had only worked on old American cars, newer Japanese cars and a few old Japanese motorcycles.
@blockheadfxstc0428
@blockheadfxstc0428 Жыл бұрын
I'm having the same problem with my 91 softail custom! I was about 20 yards from my driveway after running pretty hard, eh, maybe not that hard, but yeah the bikes sound changed. Little back history with the bike: it was owned by a long time friend and he had 96" jugs and heads(all S&S) it shouldn't have more than 20k on it since the work was done, I know it went to Sacramento(from Elko Nv) but the last 3 years it hasn't ran much, because he was sick, bad heart and emphysema and he just didn't have the strength to pick her up anymore, so I found out he had passed away and left her to me, Also the maintenance regimen did also suffer in that time. I was asking a friend what I should do and he said run it, lol, I have started it a few times since the sound changed but yeah man it sounds exactly like that bike, I sure do hope you post what you did to fix it, if you have a email I would love to correspond with ya, and ask you some questions, I too am a life long Auto and heavy truck mechanic and also have ridden metrics forever 😂, thanks for the Video My Man!
@jeffhawkins711
@jeffhawkins711 11 ай бұрын
He had lifter problems sounded to me. Unless sucked a valve?
@bonzomoonify
@bonzomoonify 10 ай бұрын
Check the large oil pump O ring on the back of the pump into the case and the assembly.
@hollowsfn8091
@hollowsfn8091 Жыл бұрын
Did you ever put in the lifters and was it the issue??
@johnnielsen5076
@johnnielsen5076 Жыл бұрын
Take a blunt object and push down on all 4 lifters now that you got it open. Youve got a bad one if the plunger moves easily. They should normally all feel solid. Easy check.
@bbgdaddy5198
@bbgdaddy5198 Жыл бұрын
Two things stand out - the oil was extremely dirty and it's louder when it warms up. I didn't see a follow up video but i bet the problem is a stuck/dirt in your oil pressure relief valve in the cam plate. I was lucky on mine as I had an oil pressure gage so I could see that when the engine warmed up, my oil pressure dropped out because the oil got thinner and the lifters start making noise that just keeps getting worse/louder.
@timbarnett3898
@timbarnett3898 Ай бұрын
88 twin cam need cam chain tensioners replacement! Its a major task but videos all over internet about replacing tensioner pads! These cam tensioners can go at 1000 miles or still be good at 15,000, there is a flat plate with hydraulic pads putting constant pressure on pads. Kit comes with new oil pump. Depending on milage cams an cam bearing might need chsnged while motor is broken down so far?
@LittleOLosBurnouts
@LittleOLosBurnouts 3 ай бұрын
These compensators were good from 2001 to 2005 2006 and later had issues
@goodboyringo9716
@goodboyringo9716 Жыл бұрын
Right , how did it go ? I would change the lifters to S&S , add S&S adjustable quickie push rods and change the oil . Also , add the Hy cam plate with Andrews 26 cams. But , it does seem bad , like the rocker arms are not getting oil.
@williamsingleton7036
@williamsingleton7036 Жыл бұрын
I have the same problem with 2001hertiage softail,,what did you find out,,,,before I start on mine
@blockheadfxstc0428
@blockheadfxstc0428 Жыл бұрын
I have a 91 soft tail custom, 88 bottom and 96 inch S&S jugs and heads and have the same problem, sounding like this problem runs through all the twin cam years
@GregMorris-w2t
@GregMorris-w2t 8 ай бұрын
Lifter was my first thought. It's definitely dropping one cylinder and sounds like lacking compression on one cylinder. Possibly not opening an intake valve.
@411adaptivegolf
@411adaptivegolf 4 ай бұрын
My 2000 rd King dash is computer controlled. I swapped one out because my tach was separate n i wanted it together, mileage was exactly the same as my stock one once plugged in!
@JeffHawkins-x1w
@JeffHawkins-x1w Ай бұрын
You have the set up.i did the same thing a year ago
@EarlGuyton425
@EarlGuyton425 6 ай бұрын
That twin cam 88, is probably the B version which has counter balancers in the right side engine case, Those have an inside chain that runs on a guide and turns the two counter balancers. That might be the noise
@rickymann66
@rickymann66 Жыл бұрын
Did you find/fix the problem?
@brucewayne7996
@brucewayne7996 Жыл бұрын
Update?
@PNW_JS
@PNW_JS Жыл бұрын
Did you ever figure out the problem??
@JimBachman-j6u
@JimBachman-j6u Жыл бұрын
Did you find the problem with the bike? I have the same problem bike been sitting for awhile and when warmed up it sounds like yours . Thanks
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
inner cam bearings
@josephtussey7699
@josephtussey7699 Жыл бұрын
Was the lifters the issue? They can make a racket when they collapse for sure
@jimmynelski6186
@jimmynelski6186 Жыл бұрын
Well ,what's the verdict man!
@ariclyon2366
@ariclyon2366 Жыл бұрын
Was it squeaking even when warm? I need to do my cam tensioners on my 46.5K mile 04 Electra Glide.. Hoping it isn't the rockers or lifters.
@dtpdiztruction1
@dtpdiztruction1 Жыл бұрын
I’m having the same thing and I’m gonna be installing rocker lockers too but gonna check the push rods and lifters out as well id like to know what you’re fix is thoe my bike been doing this for like 4 days now oil pressures good bike runs decent just super loud noise if it sits cold start not hateful once warms up it just about what you got but id love to know the fix
@blockheadfxstc0428
@blockheadfxstc0428 Жыл бұрын
Same here, it just out of the blue started, I had been out riding and about 20-30 yards from my driveway the bikes sound changed, it still runs ok, but it doesn't sound right
@michaelbartlett3136
@michaelbartlett3136 6 ай бұрын
What ended up being the fix for yours?
@jroberthadden
@jroberthadden 11 ай бұрын
I searched for your follow up video. Couldn't find it.
@gordonwrichert8240
@gordonwrichert8240 20 күн бұрын
i have a 2015 cvo road glide with 33000km on it blew the lifters cam chest bearings two camshafts the bikes get hot and burn up the oil and then parts fail
@nuffdoggiggey4103
@nuffdoggiggey4103 Жыл бұрын
Thats some funky looking oil.
@alexguerrero8463
@alexguerrero8463 Жыл бұрын
Did you figure out what that noise was bro
@johnnielsen5076
@johnnielsen5076 4 ай бұрын
Dirty oil...one original lifter check ball got grit stuck in it and it collapsed and won't pump up right? That's my guess. New lifters problem solved. P.S. Had that happen to me once...change oil regularily!
@Truthdosentexist69
@Truthdosentexist69 Жыл бұрын
Was it running on both cylinders? It didn't sound like it.
@garyjohnson31
@garyjohnson31 Жыл бұрын
Did the new lifters fix it?
@travisboulton8610
@travisboulton8610 Жыл бұрын
Did you say you let it warm up for 5 to 10 minutes? Did you overheat the bike?
@extremegrunt
@extremegrunt Жыл бұрын
So what was the issue?
@subsonicwarthog
@subsonicwarthog 7 ай бұрын
I bet it is his compensator.
@Hellbilly85
@Hellbilly85 Жыл бұрын
Any luck with bike yet? I have a faint tick when my bike gets hot. Im thinking i need lifters too.
@cholber1
@cholber1 8 ай бұрын
so was it the lifters making the noise in your dads bike?
@JeffHawkins-x1w
@JeffHawkins-x1w Ай бұрын
What about injector coming un plugged
@danwilliams5867
@danwilliams5867 Жыл бұрын
You can check the pushrods and valve train make sure there is no play in there. Check shaft bushings , rockers and lifters. If this happened just out of the blue. There is one more culprit. It could be the piston oil squirter. They work on same oil passage as lifters. They are not suppose to open until 15psi, they do stick open, especially after a tensioner has grenaded and put plastic parts through the engine. Check to see if noise goes away or diminishes at 15 psi oil pressure and up.
@blockheadfxstc0428
@blockheadfxstc0428 Жыл бұрын
I'm having this exact same issue with my 91 88 lower end and 96 inch S&S Upper(jugs heads) cams and the rest, I was looking at pulling the engine and tear down, basically exploratory surgery to see what I could find, I'm also a life long auto mechanic and metric bike "fiddler😂", my bike was Bequeathed to me, and I know that the Last 3-4 years it didn't run much because my buddy got sick with heart attacks and emphysema and he just couldn't pick her up anymore. I'd appreciate any suggestions you might have as well my Man! OH YEAH, ever since I got it it has puked oil out the bag and down my leg, pretty sure scavenge issues too,
@williamsingleton7036
@williamsingleton7036 Жыл бұрын
I finally torn mine down, but before a guy told me it was piston slap an I didn't really know, but I torn it down an it was piston slap, I couldn't hardly believe it,,fixed the problem running gr,,
@williamanthony5021
@williamanthony5021 5 ай бұрын
O.M.F.G. ANOTHER AMF VOIT DILEMNA .GO INTO CAM CHEST ?
@Fernando-z1i1r
@Fernando-z1i1r 6 ай бұрын
When you said at the start of the video; let it warm up 5 to 10 minutes, I threw a red flag right then! I let mine, an 05 Road King Custom flhrsi T.C. 88, warm up for 2 minutes, then take it easy, for the first few miles of riding. I ride everyday! (Hopefully won't come across five traffic lights that all made me stop for three more minutes each!) Remember Harley's are air cooled, and no way to cool it off (if it gets too hot, and you keep hitting it the traffic lights red) unless you stop the engine for twenty minutes or so. Yes, Harley Davidson recommends that your engine is at operating temperature! But unless you have a fan pointing towards the cylinders, it's going to get too hot, and you will feel the heat when you are sitting on it, waiting for the light to change green, and the (water cooled engine with radiator) automobile drivers, decide to get off their cell phones, and go! Long story short: idling for long periods is bad! (Unless it's a very windy day!)
@bryanmontgomery4050
@bryanmontgomery4050 Жыл бұрын
If it’s like flipping a switch, I’d check tensioners first thing.
@HoustonR6ryda
@HoustonR6ryda Жыл бұрын
they looked good-screaming eagle upgrade was in the cam chest
@jaylstout
@jaylstout Жыл бұрын
Try rocker lockers…worked for me.
@michaelbartlett3136
@michaelbartlett3136 6 ай бұрын
What ended up being the fix for your dad's bike?
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
Inner cam bearings. We did all the bearings and the lifters and cam and cam chest and oil pump as well. But the failure was the inner cam bearings.
@MarioAMM1
@MarioAMM1 Жыл бұрын
Update? Having the same problem
@blockheadfxstc0428
@blockheadfxstc0428 Жыл бұрын
Same here on my 91 Soft tail custom, 88" lower and S&S 96" jugs, pistons heads
@revbikerbigd8664
@revbikerbigd8664 Жыл бұрын
​@@blockheadfxstc042891 is an Evo, not a twincam ! 91 cam bearings go bad !
@mrbroadway226
@mrbroadway226 Жыл бұрын
Why haven't you responded to anyone's comment??? What foxed the problem sir...
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
inner cam bearings
@marks146
@marks146 9 ай бұрын
Why no follow-up video?
@ProNoobRC
@ProNoobRC Ай бұрын
I’m having to see issue it’s definitely not his lifters
@phillipbanton889
@phillipbanton889 Жыл бұрын
so what was the fix??
@jamesfalls3310
@jamesfalls3310 11 ай бұрын
Mine is knocking ,after running hot.
@davidgranado7940
@davidgranado7940 Жыл бұрын
Did you find the problem?
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
Inner cam bearings
@davidfaria6194
@davidfaria6194 6 ай бұрын
Lifters on a twin cam don’t need to be changed that often. It’s only the evolution motors that need to be changed every 40,000 miles one thing I’m sure you’re learning is it everybody has opinions but the facts are evolutions for sure need to be changed every 40,000 miles at least.
@lukeo9459
@lukeo9459 Жыл бұрын
Any update???
@alanmeyers3957
@alanmeyers3957 4 ай бұрын
Crank didn’t spin on you did it, it looks out of balance.
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 2 ай бұрын
Ended up being inner cam bearings
@nuffdoggiggey4103
@nuffdoggiggey4103 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like missing a cylinders not firing or 1.
@HoustonR6ryda
@HoustonR6ryda Жыл бұрын
Inner bearing ..dirty oil
@sticknca7114
@sticknca7114 Жыл бұрын
You have a noise in a TC88 that is valve train related so you cut the one piece pushrods replace them with adjustables, replace the lifters and call it a day? You were a couple of bolts from checking the tensioners. Jeeez...
@rusty7two
@rusty7two Жыл бұрын
You must have skipped over the part where I pulled the cam cover and found the screaming eagle cam plate and hydrolic tensioners.
@robl884
@robl884 Жыл бұрын
@@rusty7two so was it just the tensioner?
@blockheadfxstc0428
@blockheadfxstc0428 Жыл бұрын
​@@rusty7twoyour description of it being like a switch flipped, same thing happened to me, 91 soft tail custom 88 lower and S&S 96 upper, but yeah the sound just changed and it sounds a lot like your bike or your dad's bike I mean
@robertpuleston3676
@robertpuleston3676 Жыл бұрын
Change them lifters
@OEFarredondo
@OEFarredondo 4 ай бұрын
Your brother broke it.
@rusty7two
@rusty7two 4 ай бұрын
Probably
@dizzywehby3442
@dizzywehby3442 Жыл бұрын
So, so uhhh so so uhhh let me back up ummm so so and ummm
@martinwall7297
@martinwall7297 9 ай бұрын
stop running that bike, your killing the engine. I have the exact same firefighter RK. At 40,000 miles I installed a FUELING 525 gear drive kit what a difference, if you have to pull shit apart install the best that keeps it from destruction. I installed an S&S gear drive 509 kit in my 2001 flht, great system but no comparison to FUELING. glade it worked out for you, its an inherited problem with twin-cams, shit lifters, and cam-shoes, but from 1999-2004 they had timken bearing in the crankcase much better than plane bearings. keep it running.
@christoforospilitsis541
@christoforospilitsis541 7 ай бұрын
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