Two classic 12ga actions - Black Aces S4 and S2

[@allenneva5213]

TFB TV has a great video series about the "Turknellis." Curious to see how these hold up over time.

[@sheepocalypse3898]

Spoiler alert they're awful.

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

Mine has been perfect with hard use.

[@rabbitdaze2243]

After about 100 rounds, they run fine as long as you're not abusing it with super heavy loads

[@vazhavazha6761]

I don't know what they are selling in the USA, but not living in the USA, I have two Turkish made shotguns, which I use primarily for hunting. One of them is semi-auto from HUGLU, and another one is newly-acquired double-barrel from ATA ARMS. From semi-auto I have few thousand shots, without any major issue, and from double-barrel - few hundred rounds without any issue. And many of my hunter friends which are using Turkish shotguns, in general are also satisfied with their guns.

[@isthistwitterbruh]

​@@vazhavazha6761thank you for your uncommonly reasonable take on these firearms. Here in the States they're a bit of a meme unfortunately, but I myself own two turkish pump actions and one turk semi auto - i will recommend them to newbies/casual enthusiasts/home defense on a budget types EVERY single time!

[@AllAboutSurvival]

it's always interesting to see how these clones stack up against the Benelli originals. While Black Aces seems to deliver solid performance at a more accessible price, I'd be curious to know how the reliability holds up in more rugged, long-term use.

[@clifflloyd6234]

I always love the sound that shotguns make when loading shells into the tube.

[@ArmoredCore5000]

I’m digging the wood furniture one 👍🏻

[@jeffreybean5363]

I'm totally digging the S4 with the wood trim. I also enjoy watching the second legacy 🇺🇸👊

[@ericbergfield6451]

Interesting, thanks for the presentation

[@rquest3059]

I bought a Beretta 1200 40 years ago, and it still shoots everything I put in it. Edit: I paid $250.00 for it...

[@-RM-]

I have the Stoeger M3000 Freedom self defense 12g w/pistol grip and 7+1 capacity. It has the inertia system like the Super 90 and S2. My shoulder hates it. A lot. But I really love my Remi 870 pump in 20 gauge with 13" LOP stock and 6+1 capacity. It's a "light n' tight" little house sweeper!

[@TheMailmanOfSteel]

The wood on the M4 clone is just so SEXY.

[@Jaywalk318]

I have a stoeger m3000 and love it. I haven't put alot of rounds through it yet but it has cycled everything ive put through it from bird shot to slugs. Stoeger is slept on.

[@mikereimus8879]

Thank you for what you do

[@thudable]

HEY MAC I've been looking at these for a a few. I appreciate you taking the time to review lower cost firearms. I think I'll give Black Aces a try. Thank you.

[@DavidBrown-it9ig]

TFB found that the clones from Turkey are not very durable and none have survived his 500 rnd burndown

[@terrybrown5402]

Ok but how many of us are going to do a 500 round burndown. Heck i probably wont shoot my turkenelli by tokarev more than 500 in my lifetime. Its not a 22 so im not gonna plink with it. And considering it was $109 im not out much if it dies at 300😂

[@D_Boone]

@@terrybrown5402It’s about reliability. If it can’t survive a burn down, you really shouldn’t trust it with your life,

[@jaretmoskal5558]

@@D_Boone not every gun is used to defend life. Most are just range toys

[@eriklambert3809]

People getting the M4 clones should do at least one class or comp. It would be nice to know it will make it through. Panzer(I think) showed one and it made it, but gotta see a durn down

[@popupheadlights]

​@eriklambert3809 I do have about 500 trough my panzer. Not in a burn down fashion but overall. Guns been super reliable never failed to fire, just had to clean it really good out the box(gas pistons were lubed obviously not supposed to be) shoots high brass and even 10 remington low brass

[@herdogoats]

I picked up one of the Black Aces FD 12's in tiger stripe and so far, it has been great with their Black Aces rounds (they are spicy). I bought extra rounds from Black Aces just to run through this for break in period and to make sure I had shells that would run through it for a while. Fiocchi low recoil buck didn't run well initially, I need to put more rounds through the gun to see if it breaks in a bit more and will run those lower recoil rounds reliably. Overall I like it, even if I have to use their hotter rounds honestly. Size and function are good SO FAR (the 10 round mags I picked up look a bit absurd, but having 10 rounds with one in the chamber is pretty nasty in a semi-auto shotgun I will admit). I haven't put a ton of rounds through it yet, but I'll be putting more soon for sure. I'm a Mossberg 500 series guy from like 8 years old on up (bought my first 500 combo at 12 years old from Walmart) and I have quite a few of those (500s, 500ATP, 590 shockwave, New Haven 600AT) but I recently picked up a 96 year old Remington 10 in riot configuration that I'm absolutely in love with as far as my shotguns go. I gotta say that S4 has looked interesting, as well as their lever action offering. Appreciate the video on these!!

[@tedfuller5771]

THANK YOU TIM ALOT OF PEOPLE BEEN ASKING WHAT BE A GOOD SHOOT GUN FOR DEER HUNTING SO I SHSRE YOU POOST BRO I GROW UP ON OLD SHOT GUNS

[@fabian116]

Excellent video honest and informative.

[@justanotherpatriot7873]

Great video Tim. This is one of those that I have been looking at forever it seems like, but just can't pull the trigger on. More than likely, it would be fine, but if I can't depend on it, it's hard to spend money on. But then, it would be a fun gun, so why not. This is why I can't throw my money at one of these. Also, thank you for not shilling for sdi.

[@Mrgunsngear]

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[@MattCaliber]

I have a MAC 2 that's similar, but different to the S4 and I love it! Lightweight, beautiful wood stock, and was less than $400. Shoots like a dream to boot.

[@Grizzlyman420]

I love the Mossberg 590A1 I did snag a new Remington 870 field master and it’s very nice! A lot better than my express model. We need a review on the PSA GF5 AKM

[@bluepunk182]

I enjoy videos like these. More affordable options for those of us who don't shoot too often, but want something reliable and fun when we do without a high entry point.

[@dtdlilcoold]

Then just get a beretta a300 and get something thatll actually make it 1000 rounds lmfao

[@davidunderwood3605]

I believe those are definitely a good choice. The older I get the more that recoil hurts after any session longer than 25 to 50 when using the 12. Have relied on 20 Mossberg pump for years but that pump really wairs the elbow in long sessions. The only advantage of it is being able to do a quick barrel swap from bird or clay to rifled slug barrel or 18" smooth bore mod choked in about 1 minute. The gas powered clone really seems like a good replacement, better if it uses changeable chokes or barrels.

[@hopewilliams6705]

Please give us a follow up! I have been wanting one but mixed reviews have made me apprehensive! Thanks MAC

[@alfredjr2k556]

I missed Black Aces episode. Happy Halloween!

[@SPORTINGCLAYSMAN]

I have the Black Aces S2 Prophecy. Ran it during dove season with 1oz light loads ran flawless. Also has ran anything Ive put through it.

[@joebutton9681]

I have the same s4 black aces its been super reliable over 500 rnds 0 issues

[@nathanmeyer2470]

Tim!!!! 3 wire,,, send this video to Tampon Tim titled how to properly load a shotgun!!!!😂😂😂

[@einsteineinstein7782]

I have that same Benelli Super 90 and an M4 both in the 14" entry version!

[@randalljeffs7272]

“Because of the sand” MAC bending over backwards, not give his sponsored firearm a bad review

[@Tactical_reload]

I have a GForce gas shotgun, at first it wouldn't reliably run light game loads but after half a box of 3" shells it runs everything fine

[@lyfandeth]

What, no thousand round reliability test? Or at least 500 rounds?

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

Good info. Thanks

[@desperado8605]

Grew up with benelli super 90. I want an m4 to go with it ive thought about a turknelli but im afraid my dad would haunt me lmao. Idk ive has great luck with my canik and sold my g17 cause of it so i might get one of the higher quality ones

[@codyscheumann3765]

I've had issues with the Turkish Walnut stocks, but the actions on everything I've tested out have been great

[@pjbarney9580]

I love my Turknelli... I put a +2 tube and side saddles on the stock and reciever I love that thing . Just chuck it in my patrol truck and have various loads. 21 rounds of ammo in and on the gun. that doesn't take into account my scout rifle and general carbine or my sidearm....

[@stackscustominc1]

Still love the m1 super 90, always been a reliable and trustworthy gun with anything i put in it. Out of thousand of rounds of a mixture of everything from cheap Walmart federal birdshot to 3" Magnum Buck and slugs I've only had less than half a dozen failures that we're most likely ammo related

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

a break barrel shotgun with a xhamber adapter barrel makes for a great all purpose ranch rifle. add a scope and a 223 and u can hit coyotes, rabbits, praire dogs, birds, and much more. chazel still sells them (they sell fast when in stock, of any cal so buy when u see them)

[@josh656]

Picked up a gently used LE trade M1S90 for 570, was able to find the discontinued Surefire DSF forend.

[@whomagoose6897]

Anything concerning shotguns is interesting information. I have more pump shotty skills and experience. Plus, there's no issues when using non-lethal ammo shot out of pumps. Don't expect the fast split times between shots. There are pro's and con's to everything. Plus, my 590SP has every upgrade available. One upgrade needed for every shotgun, both pumps and semi's, is an oversized safety. Then a barrel clamp for the shotguns with extended magazine tubes. Helps stabilize the muzzle area of the thin walled aluminum magazine tube. Mounting a side shell holder is a helpful idea. Lasty, a good quality combat sling. Recommend adding quick release attachment clamps. For choice of shells look for Federal Flight Control shells. The wadding keeps the pellets together longer for extended distances. Within 10 yards you will think you shot slugs instead of buckshot.

[@michaeltomsa-musatin]

The only thing I have against shotguns is that 9 rounds. I want a Keltec 25 as it will hold 25 rounds, but if you use the little short 1-3/4" buckshot shells it will hold 42.

[@EchoSigma6]

Yes, I have the same Benelli and it basically sits in the safe. I much prefer my Mossberg 590.

[@sharp3322]

Ive had nothing but good experiences with my 4 Turkish shotguns

[@jacobdeem8499]

It takes off chunks great

[@carlosalberto-zt3gq]

Excellent performance for an auto SG at that $$.

[@PreservationOfLiberty]

I picked up a Panzer Arms EG200 and a G-Force GF-1, both are Turkish manufactured shotguns & imported. I believe they’re cloned after a Benelli design although I’m not familiar with that enough to know for sure. The EG200 is surprisingly reliable & well-made. It’s been very reliable with multiple loads. The GF-1 had a few rough edges on a couple of the parts but those were easily smoothed & polished out. It has been very reliable as well, although it seems to favor hotter loads & occasionally won’t cycle low brass 7 1/2 shot. Maybe that’ll change as it breaks in a little. I’ve been extremely impressed with both shotguns, honestly. Not perfect but for the price I have no complaints.

[@Doublezzranch]

I have a BENENILL M1 TACTICAL. It doesn't share the same recoil spring as the super 90. It also won't cycle bird shot, only slug & 00. SWAT had the same thing ( 14"barrel on them). My recoil is almost non-existent. If I didn't hate shipping guns, I'd send you mine to try out & see what you think. I did train with it for 4 years on dynamics training with a SRT team & it worked flawless. Great video & thanks for fixing the AK-V 9MM LOL.

[@greggullett1272]

Those inertia guns always kick more but they are reliable

[@ronaldkuehl]

Hanna Indiana checking in..

[@lookarabbit2888]

Every time I shoot a twelve g, I have the same reaction... Damn I love this gun. haha.

[@brandenosborne3556]

Is this a commercial? He makes them seem awesome and I hope they are!

[@hololightful]

One of the biggest things for me when it comes to 'clones' like this, is I want to know just how close is it? Do I get parts interchangeability with the 'real' one (if so, which, or all?)

[@mrshort2379]

@MilitaryArmsChannel I have been interested in that newer Ermox Hybrid 12gauge, that is like the old Spas shotgun. except that it is a box magazine fed AR style 12guage msrp of $699. besides Benelli and the SPAS it is the only other pump & semi auto 12gauge that I have heard of.

[@ReubenOaks84]

The Beretta 1301 and Benelli M4 are the only duty use semi-auto shotguns I would trust. These Turkish shotguns do not seem to last much past 500 rounds, some sooner, not stock anyway.

[@patrickkelly1070]

I used a Benelli for years during my law enforcement career and loved it. What I didn’t love was the price tag. I recently bought the MAC1014. From Military Armament Corporation. The equivalent of the S4. (Appears to be similar if not same) I'm not willing to endorse it just yet. But, so far it's worked as a shotgun should, without drama. It's growing on me.

[@dtdlilcoold]

Is everybody broke or are these comments just bots 😂 these things are ass just save a little bit more and get a beretta a300 if you want a budget semi shotgun

[@kybbe112]

6:25 or just press the bolt release button and simultaneously push the lifter up?

[@majikr80]

Can you shoot slugs through it and how does it act?

[@TheArchangel1776]

Can these Aces shoot the 1 3/4in short shells. It seems only the Mossberg 590 can out the box.

[@MateuszKliszkowiak-b7i]

Witam mam pytanko czy pokaże Pan pistolet Canik MC9LS i zrobi test zawodności pozdrawiam 🙂🙂🙂

[@David_S_1967]

I saw a review of the orthos raider s4 by Pewview and it seems pretty darn good for an M4 copy. I’d be interested in that one for sure. It is twice the price of the Black Aces though.

[@gabewright2690]

Im really starting to want wood furniture on my Benelli M4.

[@favreing0474]

Haha “shooting hot loads”. I like this shotgun. I’ll take 2.

[@FullSpectrumWarrior]

I was about to get. A Mac 1014 but got an a300 instead

[@goodcitizen64]

Good information and nice looking shotguns! I still prefer my 870 super mag pump action!! Thanks MAC

[@timunderbakke8756]

I was excited until 3:33 when it’s out that they’re Turkish. They are going to beat themselves to death and not be worth it. Turkey may be doing ok with the Canik pistols but their shotguns have a relatively short shelf life if you’re doing more than a range trip every other year

[@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073]

the m3 super 90 is my favorite.

[@matortiz2322]

I think it would be cool to compare a Winchester sxp and sx4 for a long term testing

[@AusJackal]

Love the wooden one... just looks the s**t.. i wish either Mossberg or Black Aces would bring out a 14" 12g pistol that i could form 1 to an SBS..

[@martinto138]

Hacksaw is about $15 at lowes or homedepot lol

[@AusJackal]

@@martinto138 🤣

[@NWguy83]

The gun that really won the West, shotguns.

[@Backwood865]

If I could give my opinion. I think a 12 ga is the most versatile firearm. If I could only have 1 that’s what I’d pick

[@cynthiakoehne7004]

the only thing I do not like is the split for end!

[@cynthiakoehne7004]

you forgot to mention chokes!

[@dan7435]

I have a later production LEO Beretta 1201FP Riot which is basically a M1 Super 90, it has never allowed me to ghost load it and it will only cycle hot shells…ONLY shoulder fired, can’t even 80s hip fire it (facepalm)

[@kc0lif]

usually pump shotgun kick.

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

There are many countries I will not buy their products. Turkey is one of them for quite a few reasons.

[@toyotek2]

You were going to show how to unload it????

[@brianc3100]

About the "burn downs" and their use as a gage for determining a shotgun's usefulness in "trusting your life to". If you're in a position that requires you to fire 500 rounds, as quickly as possible, from your 12 gauge, you have made some questionable life choices lol. Give me a reasonable scenario where you, an average American citizen, forsee the need to unleash a 12 gauge firestorm.

[@beanhavok2287]

Do the Turk guns come with Square bullets??

[@dn88s]

They're not perfect at everything but they are for waterfowl and upland game. While I'm way better with a rifle I do enjoy hunting upland game.

[@herknorth8691]

I had a Stoeger M3K. It was trash. I ponied up for the Benelli M2 and haven't looked back. I hope Turkey can figure out how to make a decent shotgun while keeping the price low, but I'll let others roll those dice for the time being.

[@terrybrown5402]

My stoeger is great...what was wrong with yours? Im sure mileage isnt the same for everyone though.

[@herknorth8691]

@@terrybrown5402 Failures to cycle, feed, eject... you name it. I did the recommended break in, replaced the extractor with the Benelli part, all the stuff you're supposed to and nothing worked.

[@LLB984]

I want a turkneli

[@Roblet217]

14:35 So you threw your expensive M1 down on the table over a cheap Turknelli falling into the dirt? Rough day?

[@Militaryarmschannel]

It's a tool, not a show piece.

[@JohnTBlock]

$650. ish beats the snot outta $1500.... as long as it functions properly! The Turks seem to know their bidness, so far...that S4 looks like a good house-howitser.

[@stevegrifftx]

Are Black Aces firearms made in China or Turkey or other place ? PSA seems to have dropped them.

[@AKlover]

The Chinese used to make good guns. IIRC no Turk stuff has survived A "Burndown" via TFBtv.

[@elliszone]

So the "Turkenelli" is not as good as the Benelli, thanks.

[@peterreily1490]

How much do d Fabian pay you Tim? After the zoom call with turkey because the S4 gas blocks literally weren’t welded my buddy that worked on their product development team saved everything before he quit. They’re absolutely garbage. Really Tim what’d you charge Fabian for this video?

[@secrityforcemarine]

but did u follow ur gun to the ground??? lol

[@thelastminuteman7513]

Turkish shotgun gonna Turkish shotgun.

[@ShadyNH]

Shot a Black Aces lever action 12g a few years ago. Everything about it was incredibly bad.

[@dansherman1980]

I got a MAC 1014 for $375 and was a little over $400 after processing fees. Allegedly these are the better of the Turks due to being able to accept actual benelli parts. Again allegedly.

[@dylano7242]

Turkey junk made from chinesium metal of classic off patent design. What could go wrong

[@chriscarnes87]

You dropped the cheap shotgun on accident then threw the expensive one on the ground 🤔.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

It's my party I guess. 😂 It was on a plastic table though, not the ground.

[@psychobeam99]

Ill buy pistols made in Turkey. Shotguns not a chance.

[@tomj5747]

Would not waste hard earned money on black aces anything.

[@mariomoso1059]

they wont last at all.

[@Kenn1969]

“A shotgun doesn’t do anything great.” SAY WHAT??? The dumbest thing I have EVER heard.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@regimes]

Love the channel, love the videos but always skip the intro. Hate the music. Very negative for such great content and friendly/informative and positive delivery

[@otterconnor942]

How is some mild rock music negative? For most it's a nostalgic thing, because he's had that intro for at least a decade

[@bananawatch8158]

Never thought I’d see you have Turkish shotguns on your channel and talk about them like they are good. Moneys money, I guess 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@andrewconstantinides6159]

Hey bro, these suck. How much did black aces pay for this?

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

I prefer my rem 870, thank you

[@Gibsonsghost]

Do not buy these. 🍋