Two more "The Acolyte" Teasers | Leslye Headland thinks the Jedi have a monopoly on the Force?

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[@brettloo7588]

That public statement that 'She knows the EU and canon' will be a statement they will regret, because the fans are experts on the IP. If they respect the IP the confidence will be celebrated... if they don't it will be a roast.

[@rector0455]

She's telling you here that Acolyte is about to rewrite the last 1000 yrs of established canon, as many of us have been saying for months now. Idk in what universe that qualifies as respecting canon.

[@pcb462]

Fanboys will be fanboys. Star Wars fans will continue to enjoy the content and look forward to the future. Thoughts and prayers.

[@kurtmccathron3781]

@@pcb462if your a fan you can also admit when something wasn’t enjoyable. That’s how it works to provide better content in the future. If not and anything is as good as anything else all you have is (less than) mediocre material which is represented in the sales, or lack thereof resulting in less content for “fans” or worse case scenario, none at all.

[@Decoto87]

The only lore she needs to worry about is the movies and tv shows.

[@johnd1466]

Yep, she stated it’s Before George Lucas’ SW in a tone like George filled a timeline

[@SimplyJohn155]

In episode 1 of the clone wars, Yoda says to the clones “in the force, very different each one of you are” wouldn’t master Sol be able to tell the difference between his student and her sister?

[@rector0455]

Should be. Luke can also sense Vader onboard a totally different ship. Not maybe the emperor, not maybe an Inquisitor or fallen Jedi, but specifically he can sense Vader.

[@DarthDevorin]

How do you have a monopoly on an energy field that touches all life?

[@delrunplays2903]

Sith landed on the fully upgraded Jedi Temple property with hotel and had to give up all their Force properties to the Jedi to pay the rent

[@istari0]

You can't. That's one of the problems the show has.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

I mean, they could try to enforce it through violence... But there's never been enough Jedi for that to cover the entire galaxy.

[@jibril2473]

That’s why I’m not watching Tge Acolyte. I formally refuse to watch this bastardization of the meaning of The Force.

[@goosetheloose8332]

The Jedi are the dominant sect that uses the force, therefore they have a ‘monopoly’ on it. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp.

[@kurtmccathron3781]

She must not have read as much of the Fiction as she said. As Luke and Ben Skywalker visit different Force using sects, which is how they stumbled upon Abeloth and her origins within the Maw. I know, it’s legends now but at the same time it pertains to one’s view on the Jedi.

[@DarthEjsmont]

They definitely do a lot of marketing for the Acolyte. Much more than usual. It seems Disney is really betting on this one.

[@miragewizard]

Twice the pride, double the fall

[@kurtmccathron3781]

If the Sith are known in any way, its rips apart canon. As the Jedi would not have been as off guard when TPM comes along. As they would still be a threat, not dismissed as an extinct order.

[@stevena.7022]

They knew about the Rule of 2. So they figure the post Bane Sith are .... dead?

[@lukeorloki]

@@stevena.7022 Ki-Adi-Mundi: Impossible! The Sith are extinct! They have been for nearly a millennium. Mace Windu: I agree. The Sith would not have returned without us sensing it. Yoda: Hard to see, the dark side is. Yoda knew about the rule of 2 from Bane and other council members don't sound surprised when he mentions it. Ki-Adi-Mundi saying the Sith are extinct for NEARLY a millennium says maybe he and other Jedi believed the Sith had indeed switched to Bane's rule of 2 a 1000 years ago but at some point those last Rule Of Two Sith were destroyed centuries ago making even the Rule Of Two Sith extinct in his mind for NEARLY a millennium as he some emphatically proclaims. Yoda doesn't seem surprised and does not also say the Sith have absolutely been extinct for nearly a millennium. To me it seems there was enough evidence for some Jedi Council members to believe the last Sith, which would have been Rule Of Two Sith, had gone extinct NEARLY a millennium ago. While also some Jedi Council members like Yoda believed it was possible the Sith still existed even though there was apparently No evidence of the Sith for nearly a millenium.

[@Xelpherpolis]

I dunno. Yoda and the Council knowing about Bane and the Rule of Two is a big question mark. It’s not a plot-hole _exactly_ but it does demand explanation. Cuz to know about Bane and the Rule of Two is to know that the Sith _survived_ the very same “extinction” event that Ki-Adi-Mundi was talking about, so what the crap? Did the Jedi have some kind of shadowy encounter with the Sith at some point that the Council actively _chose_ not to disclose to the rest of the Order?

[@lukeorloki]

@@Xelpherpolis Agree that there are definitely some big question marks to answer which leaves me nervous but cautiously Hopeful that The Acolyte will address this in a cool way that most importantly makes sense especially with the PT. If Wookipedia is correct, The Rule Of Two was started in 1032 BBY by Bane. Ki-Adi-Mundi emphatically says the Sith had been extinct for NEARLY a millennium. It's possible the initial Rule Of Two Sith were active against the Jedi for several centuries which is why the Jedi were aware of the change by the Sith to the Rule Of Two. Perhaps the early Rule Of Two Sith not having the success they wanted against the Jedi decided to then fake their demise NEARLY a millennium ago so they could plot and grow more powerful hidden in the shadows without interference from those meddling Jedi. By specially saying NEARLY a millennium ago there is time for Sith to have "gone extinct" a couple of centuries after they had been under the Rule Of Two. So the PT Jedi Council could have had both knowledge of the change to the Rule Of Two by the Sith and knowledge of what they thought was the extinction of the last Sith NEARLY a millennium before their time. Still if the Sith hadn't been detected by the Jedi for NEARLY a millennium and had maybe disappeared a few centuries after implementing the Rule Of Two, why did Yoda think Sith finally appearing after nearly a millennium would still adhere to the Rule Of Two? Maybe visions? Maybe something to also be answered. The Acolyte could end up being a very good story if it satisfactorily answers some of the open questions and also tells a good Star Wars story. It probably won't be perfect but as long as it's not horrible like the sequels I'll be content.

[@JoRoq1]

That they make references to “maybe” doing certain things in a presumed Season 2 is another warning for this show. It tells us they don’t have an overall plan outlined for the characters or story. (In contrast, Andor was pitched with a full 5-year outline, and was reduced to only 2 seasons.) This is taking the established network tv approach, which makes sense from Hedland’s background, where a show only gets planned out one season at a time and each new season tries to do something different. The problem arises with trying to utilize this approach while having external bounds placed by other productions (here, being sandwiched by the High Republic novels and the PT). Traditional network-style writer rooms don’t normally do well when constrained like that. (As another example, Agents of SHIELD.). That is even before getting into the issues of specific continuity and agendas.

[@Reddprogram55]

This is what throws me off. People today have a strong understanding of say Ancient Egypt. Egypt In that state has been gone for a long time. But knowledge of something can remain nearly forever. Everyone knows about pharaohs and mummy’s, landmarks archaeological digs etc. I don’t think the passage of time would degrade the knowledge or understanding of the sith to the Jedi who have access to thousands of years of info about them. Average citizen sure. But Jedi fought these guys across the galaxy for centuries. I’m not throwing down some deeply thoughtful take, just on the surface it seems kinda odd 🤷🏾 It’s a weird justification for something that didn’t need explanation to me. Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing here🤔

[@MariahJade1]

yep. They have a whole giant library of knowledge where there is no doubt plenty of info on the sith, plus holocrons.

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

No, you're not missing anything. They seem to be hanging their chances for this show with the idea that that "moment" between Yoda and Mace Windu was supposed to mean more than what We were led to believe. Gee, maybe Headland and Kennedy could've just asked George Lucas whether or not Yoda and Mace knew something about the existence of The Sith that pretty much nobody else did. That way, this series didn't need to happen by being based on that question.

[@DaleESkywalker]

6:34 If a fan only watches the movies, they'll have a vastly different perspective than people who read and watch everything Star Wars. Those aren't obvious perspectives to most fans.

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

But, The Acolyte takes place during the last days or weeks of The High Republic Era. The books, comics, and Animated series have been out since 2021 (even featured on Disney +). There's a lot of history, characterization, lore, and world-building within all of it. If Headland didn't at least get a detailed synopsis of what the major conflicts and dynamics were of that 400-year-long time period, then, she's almost creating personalized fan fiction with this expensive story. If anything, the average SW Fan will say: Wait, didn't Episode I establish that The Sith hadn't been encountered in nearly 1000 years? Yoda and Yaddle were alive for hundreds of years...wouldn't they remember if any Sith Lord or Dark Side cult of Sith Acolytes existed over the centuries prior to their appearance on Tatooine?

[@DaleESkywalker]

But... Do you think these characters are Sith Lords or is the masked person a fallen Jedi who has a vendetta against the Jedi? Perhaps the person behind the mask is Mae's sister or she's working with the masked person. Maybe it's a person who found an ancient Sith mask imbued with their essence. There are a lot of theories floating around and nobody knows if any of them are on the mark but the people involved in making the show (and maybe a few others). That's why the Lucasfilm Story Group is there; to ensure the stories are congruent. Ventress died before Order 66 and we had her in *The Bad Batch* series. Not everything is as it seems. One would have to assume she has read the books or have a summary if she's putting characters from them in the series. If anything, the average fan would think the Sith have been in hiding for a millennium because they revealed themselves in *The Phantom Menace,* and Plo Koon (who was born around 400 BBY) Yoda, and Yaddle could have no idea of this incident. Did you know Yoda left the Jedi Order for some time in the EU? Do you think Yaddle was always on the Council? For all we know she could've been sitting in for someone or invited as a special guest. We assume what we see on screen is what we should know, but there are many things we could learn later. A lot can happen in a hundred years. The air conditioner was invented only a century ago, the modern baseball glove was adopted, Theodore Roosevelt was president, and cars became popular.

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

@@DaleESkywalker I just hope that, whoever these persons are, they aren't outright Sith Lords. Otherwise, unless clearly explained why, the only accepted Sith Lords in that era can be Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis; and any other new ones seen, will be altering established canon.

[@finrodbrs]

Thinking of Legends EU, here are all the non-Jedi, non-Sith "Force Traditions" I can think of: Baran Do Sages, Aiing-Tii Monks, Jensaari, Fallanassi, Mind-Walkers, Dathomir Witches, Grey Paladins, Theran Listeners. And those are just off the top of my head.

[@IzzosPlace]

Ahhhhhh bad feeling still there. Oh boy.

[@nicholaswatts1153]

The Jedi are like Amazon or Google now?

[@TheManInBlack7]

There's quite a few force sensitve orders in the galaxy: Jedi Order, Sith Order, Nightsisters of Dathomir, The Order of Shasa, Baron-Do Sages, The Sorcerers of Tund and the Shaper Clans of Kro'Var.

[@kurtmccathron3781]

The Matuki were one of my favorites. There was also the Krath and the Jensaari. I also think there were Imperial Knights as well but I don’t know if that’s what they were called or something else.

[@JimTempleman]

It makes sense that she would know about the rule of two.

[@Milothemighty10]

Currently playing through Jedi fallen order for the first time this is the most fun I’ve had in a video game for a long time. Survivor is not that far off though can’t wait to enjoy that too…

[@-AtomsPhere-]

I’m more excited for House of the Dragon and The Boys in June.

[@istari0]

Definitely.

[@istari0]

If they had done this much marketing for Andor, who knows what might have happened?

[@miragewizard]

If we keep getting these teasers/trailers, we can piece together a Pilot episode....

[@madmalone6616]

Cool the Force is a resource like oil... Force-Well Pumps...

[@bobbymauro3721]

I see this going two ways: This will be the fastest takedown of any director in history OR This will be the ultimate cover up shoehorned into the Jedi canon. MTFBWY

[@timefly4221]

Fans who only follow the movies wouldn't necessarily realize there are other Force users besides Sith and Jedi. How Jedi deal with Force-sensitives that don't choose to become Jedi, and whether there are other groups of Force users, is not addressed. Non-Jedi Force users are conspicuously absent in the movies given that the Rebellion and Empire would probably both want them as allies, implying that there probably aren't many such people / groups or they aren't that powerful. In Clone Wars we see the witches of Dathomir and in the High Republic we encounter other Force users, so fans with a broader knowledge of canon do have some additional insights. But I think there is still room to explore how the Jedi co-existed with these groups.

[@luisfigueroa6710]

Technically the Jedi do have a monopoly as being the most powerful authoritative entity regarding the force. If a witch or other steps out of line with the force, the Jedi would come in and handle it according to their terms, in a highly likely case. The show is called The Acolyte because it isn’t necessarily about the Sith themselves, but someone trying to become one. That’s a key difference. While I expect this encounter will put Sith ideology on their radar, the Jedi will ultimately still believe they are extinct. This also explains how Yoda, Windu, and Qui Gon are familiar with what makes a Sith. If any Acolyte popped up 100 years earlier, Jedi Historians and knowledge seekers will be familiar.

[@FabuBrik]

We are so quick to point out the wild things that Headland and the cast are saying, but I don't really blame them as much. Lucasfilm and KK are ultimately who hired them and handed over the reins. Is no one at Lucasfilm responsible for hitting them with a "well acktshually?"

[@istari0]

Given Kennedy's track record, I'm confident what Headland is doing has Kennedy's blessing.

[@FabuBrik]

@@istari0 yeah that’s kinda the point. Nothing will change until she’s challenged.

[@rector0455]

I believe Pablo Hiderpo has that job, unless that's changed in the last year or two. You may also know him as the guy who mocked SWT on Twatter for crying when he saw Luke's return in Mando S2.

[@BryceTatro]

Maybe she should have done her home work before writing this 😂

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

Did you notice how in the short video about the making of this project, Filoni states that this is, Headland's vision or interpretation of a question she's had in her mind about a time period in The SWU? Sounds like Dave takes no ownership of this one.

[@ThespianPrince13]

@@anthonyyoutubefan7567Yeah cause Dave would never make a Sith story without some cheesy message in it.

[@twit7380]

OK completely unrelated but I gotta ask it anyway… When are we gonna get more meme Monday? Miss you guys so much.

[@djBlindFaith]

She clearly hasn’t read the EU books… there was a race of force wielders that lived in a nebula, I forgot their name. I think it was in the Children of the Jedi novel. Then you have the Witch’s of Dathomir..

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

Yoda: "The Force resides in all living things." Qui-Gon: "I believe it was a Sith Lord..." Headland: Does The Jedi have a monopoly on The Force? SW Fans: Huh? Did she read or watch any of The High Republic Multimedia Initiative? People: I swear, IF this miniseries portrays the existence of a Sith Lord 100 years BEFORE The Jedi's discovery of Lord Darth Maul...I'm gonna be seriously "outsies" on this whole story...especially if Headland gives Us a scenario where The Jedi become aware of some sort of Dark Side Users sect, who worship The Sith, and are doing Sith-like things, yet, after vanquishing them, choose to keep this revelation a secret from most of the rest of The Jedi Order, w/ only certain key members of The Jedi High Council being knowledgeable about the truth. I've heard a rumor, of late, that neither Yoda OR Yaddle will be making appearances in this show. That's telling... Headland "toyed" with the idea of revealing certain aspects of Darth Bane during the time of 100 years before Episode I? Season 2, Leslye? Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Madame. I think I'm going to have to do the sign of the cross, before I press play on The Acolyte, on June 4th. I like/love most of The High Republic, and I'm currently reading the last book in Phase Two (Path Of Vengeance); but, I have a sneaking suspicion that this 8-episode miniseries (no guarantee there's going to be a Season 2 greenlit, nor that, if a continuation is allowed, Ms. Headland will be overseeing it...current lawsuit and all) may be more of a desecration of established SW canon than Obi-Wan Kenboi, which currently holds the World Record. As I've already resolved it in my head, if this story doesn't do it for me, I'll just chuck it from my short-term memory bank, and just focus on Phase Three, The Living Force, SW: Outlaws, MACE WINDU: The Glass Abyss, and Skeleton Crew. FOR LIGHT AND LIFE.

[@JoeVulgamoreAuthor]

Hey Thor... I think Hedland is speaking in more layman's terms when referring to things in her article. I don't believe she's addressing people, like us, who are die hard fans. I mean, WE understand that there were other Force using sects... The Lucasene, the Baran Do Sages, Night sisters, and several others, but I don't think the casual fan knows or understands that... heck, even some long-time fans don't know if they didn't read books. On another note, I'm very proud of you for reserving your judgement on the show until it drops. In the last several months, you've come back to being objective and fair in your opinions and critiques. I appreciate that. I don't want a rose garden, just clear view, and you're providing that again. PS... "Battle of the Hero's" series update please!

[@stevena.7022]

The Lucasene!? I'm done. Let me know when a Sith monkey named George arrives

[@smartalec2001]

@@stevena.7022 Heh. The group is 'the Luka Sene', but, still pretty close.

[@JoeVulgamoreAuthor]

@@smartalec2001 I ain't never won none of them there a spellin' bees... LOL... J/K

[@JoeVulgamoreAuthor]

@@stevena.7022 what on earth are you talking about?

[@JC-jx4rq]

Hey Thor: what is the difference between some using the dark side and a sith? Perhaps sith like Jedi are trained and other just use the dark side by tapping into anger?

[@weilam03]

this is going to be so bad. she's just ripping off movies and shows she likes.

[@matthewk4912]

George did that too.

[@weilam03]

@@matthewk4912 but shes literally hiring the actor's from those shows and movies

[@johnbyrne3402]

I’m so over the Acolyte. No plan to watch it

[@andygrams6344]

Would have been better if the Jedi just thought in TPM that the Sith were extinct 1000 years ago and knew nothing about the rule of two…. more realistically allowing for them being under the radar the entire time and Jedi being caught off-guard.

[@zacharyfett2491]

It’s clear that this show will break cannon while the showrunners and shill media will scream that it doesn’t .

[@lukeorloki]

To me, The Acolyte show is the most important Star Wars show since the fecquels. The fecquels turned out to be horrible to many fans. If The Acolyte is also bad it will ruin another entire era in Star Wars. If it's good you have fans that will still ignore all new star wars content that is fecquels related but will at least be interested and support stories set in the early Star Wars eras.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

So I’m curious, if I’m not mistaken, does this mean we’ve gotten four teasers for the least looked forward to Stat Wars thing since TRoS? When has any game or filmed production gotten that many teasers? It makes me feel like the producers behind the Acolyte are all but forcing us to get interested with more previews and peeks into this crap. I don’t wanna watch something that, as its least bad piece of writing, has a Jedi character who acts as if the idea of a Jedi being killed, let alone hunted, is inconceivable.

[@skywalkersbutido6375]

yeah but she’s talking about what happened to be said about the sith in the prequels. she obviously knows there’s some answers about that in the high republic but im thinking the first Ren theory has a good chance of being correct here.

[@wolvewick4414]

am liking what am seeing in trailers, the martial arts fights with the force. i just really hope it has decent writing, because am burnout of the other meh series disney have put on.

[@jonmorgan7621]

No one has a monopoly on the force. Jedi train force sensitives to be Jedi Knights not control others and tell them what to do. Name one reference where they were controlling others and preventing them from using the force!! Personally it triggers something in me when I see her, she reminds me of someone that lies constantly to belong and would be the first person to throw some one under the bus to get cool points and be popular. Fake.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

So they couldn't possibly know Sith history from Korriban, or what was it in the movie era? Morriban? Or Sith Holocrons or something? She clearly either doesn't know what she's talking about because she HASN'T read the EU stuff or whatever... or she's a complete idiot. And didn't they also claim she at least checked the wiki? Because you literally don't have to know about Korriban from KOTOR or something to find it within like 3 clicks on Wookiepedia. Sith history, Sith Holocrons, Korriban. I mean, I'm only guessing. I didn't check the wiki and play "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" but with Korriban... but I wouldn't be surprised if you found Kevin Korriban ON the Sith History page, anyway. Like, I'm sure the Jedi forbid travel to Dark Side Nexus planets like Korriban or whatever... but how do they determine a place is a Dark Side Nexus and they should forbid it? They probably go there and gather Intel. Or someone kind of ended up there by accident, and regardless of if they survived or not, it ends up forbidden as a result. Basically, there's no way the Jedi of the Prequels don't know Sith history just through HISTORY. They did NOT need to experience it 100 years ago. Hell, it would've made more sense if Yoda encountered them about 900 years ago when he was like 13 or something, and just remembered them. Then Mundi being like, "We haven't seen them in a millennium" could just be NEARLY a millennium and he was off by a few decades, not 9 freaking CENTURIES. Dumbest bs ever. I really planned on withholding judgment until after the series was out and I saw your review, at least... but nah. This seems like some grade-A bs. KK just CANNOT find competent people, apparently. Andor was a fluke.

[@InstrumentalDreamland]

At least Master Sol doesn't seem to be a stupid male character and is written to be respectable, unlike blue milk boy.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

i could see something happening where knowledge that the Sith are still around is a secret held by the Jedi council grandmaster and maybe a couple others. Maybe Yoda and Mace were the only ones to know. why would they do this? Fear, probably. or another way to make the Prequel Jedi look corrupt, that they were hiding this

[@feanol22]

🤦🏻

[@noneyabizness6094]

The more I hear about this series, the less interesting it becomes.

[@pcb462]

LoL, this channel has all but popped the champagne bottles to celebrate this series being a failure. 😞 Star Wars fans however, are excited to add this new chapter in the very diverse universe of Star Wars. May the force be with all those who love Star Wars.

[@PixelKatana]

If anything I feel they have been too kind and are giving too much benefit of the doubt to Headland. Maybe casual fans such as yourself can get excited about the visual spectacle but most of us prefer the canon be respected and followed which they have already failed at multiple times.

[@lukeorloki]

I'm cautiously Hopeful ... not excited but I still Hope to be excited about The Acolyte when the reviews for the show come out very soon.

[@istari0]

The idea that all Star Wars fan love or even like everything that is put out with the Star Wars label on it is nonsense. There are lots of signs this show will not be good. Ignore them if you wish but many of us will not.

[@c.s3369]

Speak for yourself brother. I'm a huge fan. But star wars Is pretty much dead unfortunately

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

@@lukeorloki Are they actually going to allow for professional critics' reviews to circulate before the Premiere? That could be very counterproductive.

[@CornyBum]

The new point about the Jedi of the prequels having personally encountered the Sith unfortunately makes it seem even harder to reconcile this plot point of _The Acolyte_ with the oft-quoted line from _Episode I._ The popularly floated idea, that all Jedi who encounter the Sith in this show end up dying before alerting the others, now seems impossible. My idea that the message sharing the news of the Sith's reappearance ends up intercepted, or the Jedi archives being manipulated to hide this encounter, seems improbable now, too. My other idea though, which is probably my favorite, is still possible, though: Ki-Adi-Mundi is a somewhat senile Council member by _Episode I,_ and much of what he says is untrue or irrelevant, barely tolerated/ignored by the other Council members, like his famous interjection about the droid attack on the Wookies.

[@rector0455]

One earlier interview given seemed to indicate the lead character in this series wasn't actually going to be a formalized Sith, but instead some flavor of Dark Jedi... But that really wouldn't make any sense either as it immediately raises the question... So, who the hell trained them?! And wouldn't the surviving Jedi be _very_ interested in the answer to that exact question? In order for that character to actually pose any sort of real threat to Jedi who have trained their entire lives, she can't just pick up a lightsaber from a junk dealer and start plotting her revenge like she's Sabine Wren in the Ahsoka series with an instant girl boss win button. The first Jedi she comes up against would curb stomp her.

[@CornyBum]

@@rector0455 Well, some dark side Force user would be a good way to not conflict with the Jedi's understanding of the Sith being extinct leading up to the prequels. This is especially the case when this show aims to show non-Jedi Force users in circles we haven't previously seen. However, this itself is contradicted by the show being described as being from the "Sith" point of view, if I remember correctly. There probably are other quotes confirming that we're going to see _Sith_ in the show. If only that was avoided... I cannot think of how this show will avoid canonical contradiction by this point. Well, it wouldn't be the first time _Star Wars_ doesn't quite make sense as a science fantasy universe. I just hope the rest of the show ends up at least decent.