Two Types of Skagit Casting with Charles Gehr | Ashland Fly Shop

[@tommyrq180]

I caught my first steelhead with a young Charles Gehr on the Deschutes River many years ago. I shall never forget that fish or Charles. He is a tremendously gifted if understated guide.

[@pgtips4240]

This was a very good and informative video, the differences are very subtle between the types of cast.

[@ashlandflyshop770]

Yes they are! Worth understanding. Thanks for watching!

[@rayhenderson2665]

Charles: this is the best distinction between the d loop with stop vs the continuous motion I've seen. Nice work.

[@ricksmith3571]

Very well made video. Short, simple and straight to the point. For the guys who are complaining about the video if you've spent some time already on the water with these lines you will understand where the adjustments need to be made in your technique just by watching this video alone. Cheers.

[@pastorkincaid]

I learned more in this 13 minutes than I've learned in a long time. Excellent way of explaining it.

[@nicolelewis1828]

Thanks for this. I'm inspired by how smooth Charles is! Whoa!

[@billburt4286]

One of the best vids I have seen on Skagit casting (and I’ve seen a bunch of them)!

[@laurieharper1526]

This is so helpful. When you get it right, the line flies out with no apparent effort on your part. Many thanks.

[@jeffreydkelly]

It felt so great when I finally got it! I use a little switch rod and a short skagit head. I feels like I can lift anything! For me, I also found it helps if I remember to separate the planes, starting the reel horizontal for the first circle and vertical for the second. Great vid! thx

[@robertwest7197]

Awesome information Charles!!!! I’m struggling with my OPST 8wt rod and Grove intermediate head plus tip. This information has given me something constructive to work with. Like others have mentioned, I have watched a ton of videos, none have illustrated casting heavy tips/fly very well as this is real casting for fishing, not casting tiny flies with floating lines and tips for KZbin video ego. Finally someone made a video that actually uses and explains real world casting issues. Thank you very much.

[@ashlandflyshop770]

So glad you enjoyed it!

[@loomi47]

I found some suggestion for single hand Commando head,said don't stop at all when starting a sweep,and make the forward stroke.Is that the "continuous" cast? Lower the rod tip to compress the D loop,avoid to blow the ancbor ,but I don't understand the continuous stroke.

[@ashlandflyshop770]

That's it! Same idea. Continuous cast would be moving through the sweep into the D loop and forward continuously without stopping.

[@reely01]

Simple and very effective demonstration of the differences in the casts.

[@mdaley3102]

Thanks for the lesson.

[@KevinGarrigan]

Charles you are a total legend, thank you!

[@rickroy3257]

As a lacrosse player, this is so similar to stick handling . Its amazing

[@seakadventurer1330]

Scott Howell "no stops, pauses, or hesitation"

[@kubaz8702]

When a rod states 250-275 grain skagit line is that only talking about the shooting head grain weight? Or is it shooting head grain weight + tip grain weight need to equal between 250-275?

[@willjohnson9412]

They are referring to the head grain weight only.

[@aaronpower998]

Depends on the line manufacturer opst heads it's total weight including tips with Rio airflow ect it's the head weight only

[@easer777]

As far as I understand, with skagit heads You wont need to count in the weight of the leader, only the head....

[@kubaz8702]

@@easer777 Super appreciate this response. But in a year I learned a ton and have finally figured it all out. Thank you again! TIGHT LINES!!!!!

[@whiskeyjin9]

Thanks for sharing !

[@seakadventurer1330]

Great vid as usual ASF

[@texfrances6664]

So, while there are good aspects to this video, I'd consider re-doing it. As a former professor I've got some pedagogic comments: One, based on the background colors, rod and line colors, I'd consider adding some fluorescent tape to the end of the rod tip if possible to make it more visible. Or use a fluorescent orange line. Two, I'd reduce the amount of casting to the essential. Three, I'd reduce the amount of talking to the essential, only commenting about the specific cast you are presently, about to, or just finished doing. Four, I'd consider some slow motion or some frozen frames with annotations---there are free and or cheap video programs that allow you to do this. Five, you skip over some things, like the set-up and the anchor---you show them, but you don't comment on them as much as on , for instance, forming the D loop. Six, I wish you had done a series of alternate casts, showing the 2 different types of casts you were teaching us---first the one, then the other, then again the one, and again the other, to clearly contrast how they differ. Tweaked, this could be a terrific video on the different ways to approach water and conditions with these different ways of 2 handed casting. Best to you, Tex Andrews (Carter Andrews'--yeah, that guy--older half brother).

[@ashlandflyshop770]

Thanks for the feedback. This is simply just a recording of Charles' presentation from our 2018 Rogue On The Fly event, not meant to be a high quality edited instructional spey casting video. Cheers.

[@cachi-7878]

Totally agree. I got dizzy following that line. So many casts, so much talking and no marked distinction between the two styles.

[@Strontyum]

Re Two : I really enjoyed watching every cast; repetition being key to my understanding. Re Three: I found his dialogue was inseparable from the demonstration and just right. I agree with your other points.

[@robertwest7197]

I liked everything about this video, the repetition was great as repetition teaches. I think anyone can nit pick any video, it’s like looking at the glass half full. Take the information from this if your able to or make a video yourself, I’d love to watch a new constructive casting video friend.

[@sydneyfishingstory]

Very good casting

[@KillerFuzzOutdoors]

Great video

[@ashlandflyshop770]

Thanks for watching!

[@rangerwhite5165]

Skagit casting causes massive water disturbance, as you can see here. Use scandi style, where the leader just touches the water.

[@patrickmcphee770]

You have just made 10 different anchors= confusion.

[@speytribe]

Superb

[@MrParaFreak]

Nice info., but too much ”playing with the line” with different roll casts when talking, confusing the lesson for beginners like me.

[@LouisianaSpey]

The underdand resigns Supreme

[@jkgkjgkijk]

That's 90 degrees, not 180.

[@Raevenswood]

Seems like you are actually comparing spey casting techniques with scandi vs skagit lines. The skagit style of spey casting is always sustained anchor even the snap t that you are using to demonstrate should have continuous motion because the load is coming from the sweep not from the d loop. In any case scandi lines can do the same casts they just can’t throw the heavy tips and flies

[@fjellfiskeren7354]

Before going for the skagit style i will go back to spinning

[@robertwest7197]

I had your mindset as well friend. My love for casting a long belly with my Bruce and Walker 15’ Powerlite is near and dear to my casting pleasure but I found that it’s not a bad thing to have the ability to use different skills/tools. Making this skagit thing look pretty is cool and isn’t a simple as I thought, I don’t expect to change your mind but I think if you really give it an honest try you wouldn’t be disappointed, plus you would have a tool to use in complicated casting areas. Give it a try and report back, if you totally hate it after giving it an honest effort, I’d be interested in your journey.

[@steveg8322]

Flogging the water,obsolete when Lee Wulff was a cub.

[@terpichore7667]

He says fly casting is a "slow acceleration to a stop". Shades of Lefty Kreh's baloney! It's impossible to accelerate to a stop. Somewhere there has to be a deceleration.

[@simonpieman1653]

Skagit=just use a spinning rod durruh

[@ashlandflyshop770]

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