TX22 & CCI Ammo Final Update - All Information

CCI ammo blows up in my Taurus TX22, final update.
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[@BuckeyeBallistics]

To everyone criticizing me because the video is "too long," or because I apparently repeated myself multiple times: How can you be so unappreciative? How can you criticize free information? I am trying to help the gun community by warning my brothers in arms of shitty companies that treat their customers poorly and don't stand by their products, trying to save YOU from having to endure what I have. So in return for my efforts of trying to help our community, you criticize me? You criticize the free information and my hard work and efforts trying to help? Maybe just bite your tongue and appreciate that I am trying to help everyone. The entitlement and egotism of the modern world just completely blows me away, ESPECIALLY because these people are supposed to be my brothers in arms. YES the video is long, YES I repeated myself several times. To those who have and will criticize this video: I'm so terribly sorry that this public service I did you was so insufferable to watch...

[@JuanMartinez-lp1bd]

Man, even this excuse is too long.

[@martynridley3671]

I'm afraid there will always be twats,...meanwhile, the majority of us appreciate the video!

[@davidholmes9874]

Juan Martinez : attention deficit

[@PerrySummers]

Sorry, too long is too long. I ended up skipping through the last 10 minutes. Longer isn't always better.

[@davidholmes9874]

Please ignore the critics. The world today lives on sound bites. News is presented in 30 second quips. No real depth! Unfortunately people have adapted to commercial length video. Really not the kind you would want on a jury where your life is at stake. I believe “attention deficit disorder” is the buzzword discription.

[@wolfy0129]

Well I am so glad you let us know how CCI handled this. Or should I say tried to get out of any responsibility for not only making really bad ammo in this case but also damaging your gun and putting you in a dangerous situation. I know I said it before but I am saying it again. I am grateful you didn't get Hurt. Well CCI has lost my business. I will no longer buy or use the ammo they make! Clearly they don't care about their customers safety or if they damage or destroy the gun firing their ammunition. They need to have better quality control. Thank you again! Others may see it differently than me but by posting these videos you may have saved a life or a serious injury. I am grateful to you.

[@jacklucas7265]

Good video, good analysis of what happened. I can say I learned something. Had the CCI people been smart they would have taken care of you and replaced the entire firearm as a matter of good customer relations in my opinion. Sadly, many companies prefer to "bury their mistakes" until they are sued.

[@wozboat]

This is a good lesson for checking your barrel every time you have a misfire. I had a similar situation with some homemade 9 mm reloads. Coincidentally it was also a Taurus pistol, a G2C. I think I accidentally miss loaded a round when I was reloading and didn’t put any powder in one of my rounds. I pulled the trigger and it went click. The primer went off and pushed the bullet into the barrel. I manually ejected the casing but the next round would not go all the way into the chamber. That was a lucky break for me because I didn’t realize the other bullet was lodged in the barrel of the gun. Had it gone another quarter of an inch, the next round would have chambered and I would’ve sent the next round right behind the stuck round. Not sure how lucky I would have been when I pulled the trigger but I’m glad I didn’t have to find out. I’m not blaming anyone but myself for that incident. It was a total lack of focus on my part while reloading. But a very important lesson for being totally aware of everything around you when you are shooting. If something sounds off, the report, the recoil, or anything else, you should stop what you are doing an examine the firearm. It could save a very serious injury.

[@WOLVERINE95899]

GREAT lesson for everyone here. NEVER, EVER, EVER buy from a company that doesn't stand behind it's product ! ! ! Especially a product that your life may depend on.

[@MrVinnyboombottz]

Customer service means a lot to me when it comes to product loyalty. Thanks for pointing out your experience with how consumers should (Taurus) be treated and how they should not (CCI).

[@MileyMutt]

Thanks for sharing brother. I always thought of CCI as a premium round. Count me as another customer CCI has lost.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

Did you not say that CCI was sold to another company or did I misheard. If in fact they were then I wonder why it is that when someone buys a successful company they tend to run it into the ground apparently for short term profit which I think is stupid. Long term brand loyalty is so much more profitable and dependable. At any rate I guess I'll have to drop my Stingers in favor of Yellow Jackets. Hope the squirrels and rabbits don't notice.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I said that when I responded to your other comment earlier. Aguila makes a Stinger equivelant, which is the brand I'm switching to.

[@jamesmonarch3044]

@@patrickgriffitt6551 ok

[@lukewarm1740]

CCI was bought by ATK a few years ago. They also own Federal ammunition. The quality of CCI and their customer service have suffered since then.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

It would seem so. Aguila it is then!

[@dragonaut4208]

Guns&Cars I’ve pretty much switched to aguila

[@calvinlayport3127]

I believe if you buy a company that makes a high quality product that the new buyer should be held accountable for that product to be held to the same quality as the original product was

[@mfree80286]

@@BuckeyeBallistics Seems odd that "hecho en Mexico" ammo is the way to go... but remember, that's pretty much all they're allowed on the civilian end of things in Mexico. They get to specialize :)

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Great point

[@brenturquhart7090]

It’s not if you have a problem with someone’s product. It is how they deal with it in the long run that matters.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Exactly

[@giovannitallino7513]

When the gun goes CLICK! you need to stop firing, to keep the gun pointing downrange for at least 30 seconds, and then to pull carefully the slide back. If you see the casing is still in the chamber it may have been a hangfire. This can happen quite often with rimfire ammunition. Then, when the casing is extracted and you see that the bullet is missing, anyone who has any sense would check and see if there is a bullet lodged in the barrel. This is the procedure spelled out in all the gun safety textbooks used for hunter safety and concealed carry courses. I am sorry, my friend, but it's you who screwed up. When the gun went CLICK! you should have followed the correct procedure. BTW I was a gun safety and hunter safety instructor in Montana and Alaska, and was an NRA-certified rifle instructor.

[@kevinb1060]

Agreed absolutely right

[@ralphhernandez3521]

I’m afraid I have to agree with the instructor. Last year I had bought 500 rounds on the Internet after being told they were run off an industrial reloading machine. Out of the first two boxes I had seven rounds that gave a funny pop and the case stove piped in the gun. This happened because there was not enough gunpowder to fully cycle the slide and it left the bullet halfway down the barrel. After each malfunction I was smart enough to check the barrel and find the lodge bullet. The rest of the ammo was pulled down and reused as parts. I kept shooting in order to see how many malfunctions I would have in a box but I was very cautious when I did not hear the bullet impact the target.

[@josephlawrence6299]

@@billmiller6274 The advice is spot on. If you can't rapid fire safely, then stop rapid firing. Don't ignore safety just because it's inconvenient for your enjoyment. I'm disappointed with all the people turning this shooter into a hero for getting CCI to settle his beef. CCI has all the legal warnings on the box explaining misfires can happen and how to handle them. This shooter choose to ignore those steps and created an accident. CCI knows even when they would win a lawsuit in an objective civil court, they've already lost the case in the court of KZbin opinions. Sad day in America when people have lost the ability to think critically and take responsibility for their poor decisions.

[@scottthompson5855]

Not correct. He explained that he had five rounds and first three fired fine. He heard nothing and thought he was ejecting fourth (squib) thought it was the third failing to fire when it was a squib. No primer sound just a click. It could happen to anyone. You sir are a dick regardless of your previous training. (that no one gives a flying F about)...

[@scottthompson5855]

You need to work on your video comprehension...More unsolicited advice...Like you like to give Dick.

[@mikelastpass689]

I for 1 am very much appreciative of you bringing this to all of us. I am researching small caliber lcrs. This showed me something I knew nothing about and will never forget. Thanks so very much for bringing this to our attention.

[@jackhobson-dupont6975]

I think you should send a polite email to CCI saying, "Thank you for your assistance with this matter. Please return my materials, which I loaned to you for your inspection and technical analysis. Yours, etc."

[@jameskirk3]

Should switch over to registered mail at this point honestly. Ammunition manufacturers are dealing with potentially deadly products, even on the range with training ammo etc, they should investigate to the fullest extent when dealing with obstructions and exploding cases. Even if the CCI rep didn't get a direct video link, he should be taking information, any information, and being much more thorough than he was. Sounds like he had it in his mind that he was right and knows it all, at least to me.

[@Jim-re3sr]

Will NEVER buy CCI again! Companies that treat customers like this wont get my support.

[@wilycoyote9091]

Problem is that Federal owns CCI so are you going to stay away from them as well?

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Yes! I just bought a bulk pack of Federal copper plated HP's that used to be about the best cheap bulk ammo you could buy. Out of a couple hundred rounds of it, we had about 12-13 duds; this never used to be the case. Federal/CCI has gone down the crapper...

[@wilycoyote9091]

@@BuckeyeBallistics When everyone is selling everthing as fast as they can make it these things tend to happen. I have always had good luck with Federal and CCI and they were the most reliable 22's, apparently high quality is not a top priority anymore.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Indeed

[@dogman_]

@@wilycoyote9091 Federal is made in a different factory.

[@joehelvey5794]

I really appreciate this video brother. I have been fond of my tx but before I turned it over to a family member for a young mans first handgun I did a lot of research. This video just brought forward a concern all gun owners should be aware of constantly. It helped me remember to pass on the basics, with so much to cover this was an important one. Thank you Sir.

[@earnestblofeld7905]

I had two squibs within the first five cartridges in a stinger box, both bullets stuck in my barrel. Didn't bother with the rest, tossed em and vowed to never buy Stingers again.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

So I'm not the only one. Thanks for sharing.

[@gregggarner2001]

Same thing happened to me.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I'm sure 99% of them are fine, but obviously there are some with issues in circulation.

[@boss94ways51]

Im picking up my tx22 tomorrow.. I got about 10 box of stingers i was going to fire them in the gun...kinda worried now

[@ledzep333thegoodolerocknro4]

wow cci is my favorite .22 ammo by far. you can clearly tell you are totally correct in your assessment from your video! It's unfortunate cci has such shitty customer service. Hopefully I never deal with them. Glad to see Taurus had your back.

[@havocsquad1]

Misfire or no case ejection = clear weapon and inspect chamber/barrel for obstructions. Squib loads are no joke.

[@buzzbombkirk]

Technically you're supposed to wait 30 seconds before doing that, too. Actually 10 minutes to strip the weapon. Slow cooks are more common than squibs in my experience, especially with off the shelf ammo, even more especially with rimfire. We all know that's the rule, but have you ever seen anyone wait? Do you wait? Since you didn't mention it with your advice here, I'm guessing not. I haven't, and I've been an instructor for years and have been around more than 100 instructors - never seen anyone do this. It's easy to know exactly what he should do after the fact, but we should probably give him a break because he did what 99.9999% of everyone does, yourself included probably. If he had field stripped and checked the bore, a delayed cook could have caused serious injuries or death. Replace one rare circumstance with another rare circumstance and your KZbin advice just killed someone. It was a fluke, so let's all step off our soapboxes for a few. :)

[@dilldowschwagginz2674]

Exactly

[@scottdavis6734]

@@buzzbombkirk you don't need to field strip an auto to check the bore, a cocktail straw will work fine I have dozens in my range bag

[@buzzbombkirk]

The proper procedure is to wait, not stick your hand in front of the muzzle of a potentially hot weapon. Which sort of reaffirms my original point. Everyone is quick to criticize this guy for not following proper safety procedures, yet they don't, either.

[@buzzbombkirk]

Or do you have some special way of sticking a straw down the muzzle where your fingers aren't in front of the weapon? My point stands. Let it go.

[@michaelramsey3986]

Glad all my c.c.i. ammo is old, back when quality meant something, thanks for the info , glad you were not hurt.

[@buzzbombkirk]

I get what you're saying, but even with ideal conditions (>72f, >10% humidity, >21% O²) rimfire ammunition ages and goes bad, mostly due to the primer composition (hehehe actually decomposition!). Do like grocery stores do with stock rotation if you aren't already. Shoot your oldest ammo first, your new ammo should go to the back of the line. Not a bad bet to do this with all ammo, but especially rimfire.

[@buzzbombkirk]

Sorry to be "that guy", the KZbin knowitall. But I learned this lesson the hard way, so I'm hoping other people don't have to repeat my mistakes.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

The older it is the more likely something would occur, I will agree with that. But you should see the video a couple of the bigger channels did (I think taofledermaus was one) where they shot .22 ammo from nearly 100 years ago and it still fired and was even decently consistant.

[@gatesmw50]

@@BuckeyeBallistics Hickok 45 shot some 8 mm Mauser ammo from WW2 on his channel.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Yeah, there's always that. People still shoot surplus 7.62x54 ammo from decades ago, myself included.

[@johnpindelski6558]

Thanks for the follow up! I just watched the original video before this and wondered how it worked out. CCI has a lot to learn about customer service. Usually eating a few $$$ is the way smarter option than proving you're right & the customer is wrong. Kudos to Taurus for their excellent customer service! I'm glad you didn't get hurt in the incident and that it worked out for you in the long run. Keep on rockin' man!!

[@ag4allgood]

Uh , Taurus customer service gets Kudos ? Guns & Cars was without his new barrel for 12 weeks. Plus if Taurus had a real quality control department in the factory THEY would have spotted the bad BARRELS long BEFORE the buying consumer did ! A company with a lack of quality control will get BAD reviews along with a BAD reputation. Especially if you plan on using the gun to save your life !

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

He may have missed the part about the barrel rifling issue, but it was good of them to replace it no questions asked when CCI just wanted to call me a liar. Yes the TX22's were initially released with bad barrels, but my squib load was 100% CCI ammo and not the gun. The return time was partially due to the barrels being on back order due to how many were faulty, and also due to the fact that they (Taurus) were mid move from one state to another. That being said, I am pretty disheartened (that's putting it nicely) that they didn't issue a recall about the barrel rifling since there were thousands. Then later my slide broke and now that's a common issue, so there's that too. But my Taurus G2 and G3 run flawless for what it's worth...

[@dustdevilz4771]

Great information you’ve presented here. Taurus sent out bad barrels on new guns and CCi has crap customer support.

[@metocvideo]

You have done all shooters a good turn by persevering with this. A box of ammo with multiple mis-loaded rounds means quality control failure at the factory, bad machine maintenance and inspection. This points to change of management practices, and guess what? CCI are now owned by Federal. So in a nutshell, some penny-pinching corporate suit was nearly responsible for a very nasty accident, and you were saved by a strong barrel in the Taurus. Lots of lessons learned, but not by CCI, apparently.

[@garryrice1954]

Very interesting! If I were shooting, I would have had the same experience, because as you said, there was no sound. I don’t know how you would know the primer was ignited. If this had been a full magazine, it would be even harder to recognize. I don’t always count all my rounds accurately while shooting. Hurray for Taurus! Boo for CCI.

[@a.joegevara3519]

Good on Taurus for taking care of you!

[@jggj9656]

Thanks for the update I’ve been following you on this issue and am with you. I don’t appreciate companies who do not care about their customers. I will be trying new brands of ammo.

[@buzzbombkirk]

I think CCI might be right in this case. The first (non gnarly) shell casing showed I OoB, right? So the gas escapes the wrong way, you get a squib. Makes sense, except that you never heard the 4th bang, right? The fourth bang would be simultaneous with the 3rd. I'm sure we've all had slam fires, and unless you're talking rotating lug bolt design or some sort of delayed roller system, its impossible to distinguish between the two pops. Hell, even with delayed actions it's still almost imperceptible usually. And with super hot ammo, that ejector can turn into an ad hoc firing pin. Let's not forget this is exactly how John Norrell builds full auto 10/22s. Once that squib was in the barrel, the rest was pretty much inevitable. Everyone wants to do the hindsight 20/20 thing, but funny enough no one accounts for slow cooks and while preaching that in this rare circumstance you should have field stripped your weapon....none of them talk about the 10 minute or 30 second wait. So if this was a slow cook vs squib, their advice would kill you. I think maybe everyone needs to keep the preaching to church and give this guy a break. It was a freak circumstance, but it was most likely caused by the gun/ammo combo. I'm not the smartest guy on KZbin, though - so if someone knows something I'm not considering, share please.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I could be wrong, but personally I think the first shell that blew the bottom out just a little (not the one that completely exploded) was due to a squib load also. Squibs cause a buildup of pressure if another round is fired behind it, and this can blow out the bottom/rim of the shell. I think it was just much further down the barrel, at the very tip, so it wasn't as explosive as the one that got stuck and caused the explosion at the end that damaged the gun. Just my opinion, could be wrong. Another reason I lean torwards this is because the gun only had a few mags through it when this occured, so I doubt very seriously that there was already enough carbon buildup to not let the shell go into full battery. And also, if one wants to claim I may have "outran" the gun and caused it to fire out of battery, then they should watch my "tx22 full auto" video where I bump fired it very rapidly several times without any issues. So obviously I cannot outrun the gun. Thank you for the support on all your comments and for watching the videos.

[@buzzbombkirk]

@@BuckeyeBallistics exactly. I mean, without a time machine there's no way to know for sure....but that makes the most sense.

[@44hawk28]

I think this guy is grasping at straws. There was no other reason why there was an empty shell immediately before the one that went kablooey. Otherwise you're looking at two or three rounds in the barrel before the last one went off. The video doesn't indicate that the video indicates a single round squib load.

[@justinthomas226]

The Taurus seems to be a little tank of a pistol though. Seemed to run those mini mags really well. I have a pack of Stingers and I'm afraid to shoot it now.

[@calvinlayport3127]

Iv shot many hundred cci since I had that one blow up with me and I haven't had another problem with it but I guess something like it could happen to me again,but I still believe the cci 22 and 22 magnums are stronger then most , the first time I shot cci ammo I could tell right away just from the sound of the rounds it was stronger then any other rim fire ammo I had ever used

[@calvinlayport3127]

@Marino yes but the last time I bought some out of the first ten I had six snap on me so I took em back because iv done business a long time with this shop and they took em back only other ones I could find for a while after words was Winchester super x and several of those snapped on me too but the ones that fired were very accurate

[@calvinlayport3127]

@Marino not a thing every round of federal Remington and cci has fired for me so it's not me or my rifles because I tried it in two different rifles but I could see the striker point on the rim and knew right away the rifles firing pin was fine I checked that first thing because my favorite 22 mag rifles is a old 788 marlin tub feed bolt action rifle that is extremely accurate

[@calvinlayport3127]

@Marino I haven't ever tried the hot round just the standard but the heavyweight 60s I tried all did fire and up till this last time all the other ones I tried of that make did fire ok but some didn't cycle through my Simi Auto very well but they all fired good and was pretty accurate to

[@calvinlayport3127]

That ammo was just junk is all I can tell ya junk, iv always been a federal ammo person for at least the last ten years anyway center fire , i haven't liked Winchester super x for anything but shooting birds it's cheep ammo and it's cheaply made and the other 22 ammo you were talking about earlier always seemed to be real dirty ammo it would smut up and dirty up my rifles quicker then any other brand iv ever used and I'm not a kid iv shot thousands of 22 rounds in my life litterally thousands of rounds and at least 50 rifles to pick just 2 high powerd rifles that was what I call accurate rifles because when some one says my rifle is a one inch gun that could mean that from the first bullet hole to the third or fourth bullet hole that group could really be from four to five inches from out side first bullet holes to the out side of the last bullet hole even though they are only one inch apart that is not a one inch gun to me I give a rifle every opportunity to shot it's best it can I try several different types of ammo I'll float the barrel and bed the action but if it want put three inside a one inch circle at one hundred yards it is not a one inch rifle but IV got a 22 magnum and a Browning 7 magnum with the boss system on it and a Savage 270 mod 110 that will put every round inside a one inch circle all day long at one hundred yards those are what I call one inch rifles and I shot off of a lead sled first then shot I shot off of just a sand bag to see if I'm doing my part or if it is the rifle that just isn't accurate enough to shot a one inch group because if the rifle just can't with any ammo I try and we also hand load then that rifle has to find a new home because I would not own it myself because I'm not a good enough type of man it is or it is not a one inch rifle my three IV kept all this time is one inch rifles all day long even the 22 magnum shooting cci minimags is a one inch rifle out of the lead sled and off of a sand bag the Browning 7 mag is a one inch rifle all day shooting federal premium 150 grain game king the Savage 270 is also a one inch rifle shooting 130 grain Sierra game king ammo but iv probably owned 70 -80 22 rifles in my life and at least 50 center fire rifles iv fired at least 30-40 different hand loads through both my center fire rifles and finally found the factory loads they both like in case I'm some where and my ammo was left home I can go to a store and buy ammo that my rifles love

[@mikekurschat3414]

Very insightful video! I would have never thought of checking the barrel either. VERY GOOD TO SEE exactly what a "squib load" looks/sound like (or doesn't sound like), how that works, and how CCI doesn't care. THANK YOU!

[@zmanphx]

When I was learning to shoot. I learned that if the recoil or sound was much less than normal , that could be a squib. Don't fire the next round but inspect the barrel. It can happen in reloads or cheap Russian ammo where there is lack of QA.

[@pewpewTN]

It's sad that Aguila ammo is so much better than the American made ammo, but it is.

[@dogman_]

I've been using Aguila Super Max since 2000 for squirrel hunting. Never had a problem with their Sub-Sonic, Standard Velocity or Hi Velocity Hp's either. CCi Mini Mags were my go to rounds, but as I've gotten better at hunting and shooting through the years you just can't beat Eley for reliability and accuracy. For plinking any of the bulk ammo will due.

[@TheLoneRanger745]

Great annolosis and recall of that day- on video Nov 13th 2019 , I've only used CCI mini mag's in My TX22 , I have got hotter rounds before that i could feel but no realy problems. Its very fortunate you happen to be recording that on day . Type Company response, deny liability ! My barrel has nearly NO RIFLING = key holing, ordered a brand New barrel it was the same. Now going to order one from LakeLine marksman barrel.

[@joekrim6557]

Thank you for helping me decide not to buy cci ammo.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

My pleasure 😁👍

[@gatesmw50]

Over the past several years periodically I have had CCI 22LR ammo not chamber in my Smith & Wesson model 34 22LR revolver. It barely fit in the cylinder even though I cleaned it. This does NOT happen every lot of CCI ammo. I know some know it all will tell me the cylinder has a tight chamber. OK so why is it that Remington, Federal, Winchester, S&K , all fight into the cylinder with ease? Never had a problem with any of those brands...ever.

[@jamesjanzen7678]

Yup. Sounds cooperate. I'm going to film every shot from now on. What a shame,bet if it blew up blew the hell up, with no video, well you can guess. Wow. Considered on buying cci for little pocket rocket, but now not so sure. I know the odds aren't great for it happening again, but if they gave you this much grief.. Love Taurus. Great company. Have a few and never had any issues with them. CCI ????!! Not so sure...........

[@leetexas3924]

Man, that 'yoyo' is either ignorant or just doesn't give a crap!!! I can tell you and these people I have bought my LAST CCI ammunition! I have several .22 cal weapons and I WILL switch over to FEDERAL completely from now on and I will encourage every one of my friends to do the same. This problem is ENTIRELY CCI's and they are not owning up to this and/or taking care of the problem! Man, I am sorry you had to be the one who has had this problem but, many, many thanks for posting all of this and the videos along with the narration. You explained it ( in my humble opinion) very clearly. I understood what you were saying and (LOL) man, I'm a 72 year old 'novice' !! I sure hope this nightmare they have you in concludes quickly (which it sounds like its not going to) and to your COMPLETE satisfaction. You have been, literally, through hell. Thanks and God Bless my friend....

[@bangsdagong]

im switching too!! aguila and federal from now on!! i used to love blazer but now...zero confidence!!! soo sad!

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Well thank you sir. I'm a bit old fashioned and take more pride in my speach and grammar than some millennials, I've noticed. I too have been thinking about refraining from purchasing any more CCI products, but I was trying to think of what to replace them with because I like to shoot shorts and longs, high velocity and hyper velocity, and everything in between. Perhaps Aguila; I already have several of their offerings. I have so much CCI ammo, all different kinds. I had planned to make videos of each kind, testing and reviewing them, even comparing to other brands. Now I'm not sure what I should do.

[@bangsdagong]

@@BuckeyeBallistics comparing them is a perfect topic. do it! ive shot cci my entire life, im 52, and i love blazer and standard velocity...its match grade stuff! federal match grade is spendy but great. the aguila has become a new favorite....it rocks!!

[@bangsdagong]

@@BuckeyeBallistics for clarification...blazer great for plinking...pretty accurate, consistant..a favorite!!! standard velocity is match grade...best i shot!!!

[@markhull1366]

Federal and CCI now owned by the same parent company, Vista Outdoors Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vista_Outdoor So, you may be in the same boat with them too.....

[@rocketscientist007]

I've had a TX-22 since January; it's been great, so far. I've only fired CCi Mini Mags & Std Velocity. However, notice how thin the barrels are on these, I would be very careful with any ammo with higher pressures than high velocity. I'm surprised that Taurus doesn't have a disclaimer on ammo type. You could never bulge a barrel on a Ruger MkII bull barrel. I'm with you 100%, no one would ever think a click is a squib. A dud is not a squib. Be glad that Taurus is taking care of you; in the past their CS was abysmal. BTW, my TX-22 is the the reversed color combo, i.e. Burnt Bronze slide over Black frame. It's not even shown on Taurus website.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I have seen those here. Sometimes manufacturers make custom color combos for the sellers know as "dealer exclusives." My 10/22 for example was a dealer exclusive, purple laminated stock. Came from Ruger that way, but you could only find it at certain retailers and it wasn't on Rugers website.

[@rocketscientist007]

Got it from Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore. I know what "dealer exclusives" are, but it wasn't indicated as such. They still have some, but the price has gone up $100, like all firearms right now.

[@robertlyman9789]

I have read issues with barrels, maybe buy an aftermarket barrel right away!

[@carlschnackel3051]

I know people who have called CCI for various issues, and they are just matter-of-factly told, "That can't happen," and then the conversation ends. I used to use their primers exclusively, but their arrogance when their customer's call is astounding. Needless to say, when a company's customer service is that bad, I stop doing business with them regardless of how good some of their products are. I'm not surprised to hear that they won't do anything. Frankly, I'm surprised that they're willing to replace the ammo.

[@stevendedeian7774]

no critisizing But, you DID fire another shot, after the barrel was swelled..are you saying, you fired another round? and moved 3 bullets thru the bore??? I am a little confused here....my barrel did not swell when it (the SuperX winchester round) blew up in the chamber.....but the round before that one I fired, did the identical thing your round did, and I did NOT print on my target either..leaving me to think the bullet did NOT get stuck in the bore, but trickeled out the barrel and drop way short of the target paper...it did not eject the case, and when I mnually ejected the case, and chambered the next round, it blew the back of the case off and blew the PPKs extractor clean off my pistol..lol

[@stevendedeian7774]

they'll say anything not to cover your butt, but def theirs..with a gun like yours, firing out of battery, is nearly impossible..that is NOT an old forearm, it is not worn out internally...Screw CCI..

[@stevendedeian7774]

Dude... he couldn't find it..because the SOB didn't look for it...lol

[@pickledginger5876]

I just applied for my permit, and am learning EVERYTHING from the start. Thank you for the videos, I will be sure to NEVER purchase cci ammo.

[@martclark2128]

Based on one KZbinr experience? Damn.

[@richardmerrill8409]

I love your video. Thank you. It’s ok if it’s long. You covered all the bases. In my opinion they are not marketing or manufacturing geniuses. Any manufacturer worth anything would have said here’s a thousand rounds, a new barrel and sponsorship for your KZbin channel. Besides, how are you going to hear an “off sounding round” when you have hearing protection on? Count me out as one of their customers.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I like the way you think...

[@dondle2]

Well done with your videos.I am in the U.K. and use subsonic ammo with a sound moderator for rabbit shooting.Over the years I have used CCI ammo on several occasions but have found them inconsistant accuracy wise, so tend to stick to winchester ammo.

[@donaldknapik2706]

Good set of videos that can be used as an educational tool in firearms training classes. My concern, over and above the obvious damage to the barrel, is whether other components of the pistol were compromised by the event. My advice is to contact Taurus with this concern or take the pistol to a qualified gunsmith once you receive the barrel for inspection. If nothing else you can have a little peace of mind.

[@jimharris8707]

There's always a critic where internet postings go since the anonymity emboldens them to be aholes to almost everyone. Your first video and this follow-up were great information - don't let the aholes get to you. I assume that you're still waiting on the barrel with it coming up on 15 weeks since you posted this update?

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Barrel is in, video posted when recieved. Thanks for the support.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

Don't let them get to you. You don't owe them anything. I really think you need to grow a thicker skin for your own good. To h**l with the critics. There will always be some. I personally appreciate the info as I am(not anymore) a big Stinger fan. Keep it coming.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Yeah these videos concerning this matter really changed my caring about what people think. I used to respond to everyone, but now I tend to only respond to my fans like you and Jim up there. Thanks for the support.

[@claytidwell]

not sure what people didnt understand. You explained it well in your other video.

[@donnyarmstrong9559]

I have watched all 3 video's now, and the whole time I'm watching them, I'm starring at a partial box of Stinger here near the computer. The reason its partial is because 11 rounds are in my new LCP 2, and 20 more in the my spare mags for said pistol. While the ammo was purchased recently, about 3 weeks ago, I don't know how long they were at the gun shop before I purchased them. Looks like its time to get out the old Remington single shot rifle and let the Stingers go ONE AT A TIME, and look into a different flavor of ammo for the LCP 2 while its here in the house.....

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Well thank you for watching all 3. C12A103 was the lot number, printed in black on the side, if that helps. But who's to say they only had issues with that lot and only that lot...

[@dannysnarski2469]

I would not use the Stingers in your (or any) pistol. They will be fine in the single shot. Many high-end barrel manufacturers caution you to NOT to use Stingers due to the slightly longer case length. There is the problem, the case is longer than normal, hence the higher powered round. In general, I find standard velocity to be more accurate and do not have any function issues even in pistols that specify "high velocity rounds only." In my experience, in the case of .22lr, more expensive, higher velocity rounds are a waste of money. Less accurate, louder and more expensive. Lately I have been using Federal 45 grain "suppressor" rounds, sub-sonic, 970 feet per second and they reliably feed in my Sig 1911-22 that is "High Velocity" only. The CCI 45 grain suppressor works just as well. At any rate, less seems to be more these days. Play safe :) Thanks.

[@robertlyman9789]

Donny Armstrong me too. New gun with recommendations to use CCI, had FTE/FTF rounds with Winchester

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Aguila

[@dwaynewalker986]

So what responsibility do you , as the person firing the gun, accept in this matter? ANY anomaly or abnormality when firing that gun should have been investigated before continuing to shoot any further. Nit-pick between "off-sound" and "no sound" all you want, the fact is you knew something wasn't right and you blindly ignored it and continued firing. Anyone could pull a bullet from a casing, empty the powder, replace the bullet, load it into a gun, fire it while recording a video, totally ignore the squib round they created not functioning as usual, and then try to extort money from either the gun or ammunition manufacturer by telling them repeatedly " I have this on video." ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAFELY OPERATE THAT GUN . You knew something wasn't right and like a happy dumb-ass you just kept right on going .

[@Yhrim70]

@Guns&Cars - Just came across your channel, NEW SUB btw. Used to be a big fan of CCI for 22, specifically the Stingers... but I won't be bothering to buy any more CCI from here forward just because of the fact that they should have taken care of you (their customer) asap and with respect. Glad to hear that Taurus at least took care of you, even if it is going to take a bit. Once you get the new barrel (which with all that's going on.. hopefully you will get it...) you should make a NEW TX22 REVIEW Video with NON-CCI ammo :-) Further, after seeing your video concerning this, for myself and all of those who have never had this happen to them.... From Here Forward, ANYTIME a shell doesn't "appear" to eject, I will be taking it apart to check and clear the barrel, to MAKE SURE it wasn't a squib load stuck in there. I'll also warn others I know of this as well. Thanks for the videos and all the information concerning all this!!

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks for subscribing. I like your video title idea lol, I just might have to do it if I remember whenever I get the barrel (still waiting). Yeah this was a learning experience for me too. Anytime anything seems odd or doesn't work right in the future, I will be checking. A good tip someone recommended was to keep a rod that fits down the barrel on hand. If anything is in question, you can just open the action and put the rod down the barrel until you can see it in the action. If it stops, then you know you got a problem. With this method you can check in about 2 seconds without taking the gun apart. I'm glad you liked the videos and found them informative- thanks again for subbing.

[@Yhrim70]

@@BuckeyeBallistics Yeah I was thinking about using a long barrel flag or even a heavy duty zip tie (as its plastic and won't damage anything), that could be used to quickly run down the barrel for checking also. So good idea, and its faster as you said. In any case, better to be safe than sorry... but at least it only damaged the barrel and didn't cause any injury.

[@WizardOfWhoopee]

I appreciate the work you did here, it was very informative. I didn't know either of the issues before. Now I do. And, thanks to the other informative comments I know that CCI=Speer=Federal=expect problems.

[@leonardhuff3169]

Coco is my favorite rimfire ammo. Experiences vary.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Coco? 😅

[@sunray0162]

I have shot thousands of bulk 22lr ammo through all my rifles and pistols and I have never had an issue. In my opinion CCI spends more money on their packaging than their actual bullets.

[@tedr.richardson4655]

Taurus has always given me Excellent Customer Services, I've always been happy with their products. Masonry Plus Florida DeSantis Strong

[@bapojean5981]

22lr ammo casings vary quite a bit in size. I have learned to actually remove the barrel and physically check that ammo will fall in and fall out of the chamber. Also, Stingers have a longer than normal casing and I know for a fact that I read that you should check to make sure your chamber is deep enough to accept these abnormally sized rounds. I do this before using Stingers or the new Federal Punch ammo as they both have a longer casing. I would be curious to see how easily these specific rounds would drop in and out of your chamber.

[@eagleyedye2070]

Very fine points!

[@bogieman101]

Just found this, so I will add my CCI stinger experience. Have used this ammo for ever with no issues, but, I had several hundred rounds that were approx. 7-8 years old. Had this because I stopped shooting .22 unless I had a stray snake here and there. Well I dug it out one day to shoot some in my rifle and my buckmark and about 1 or 2 out of 5 would not fire, no primer ignition. These were out of freshly cleaned firearms. I had some .22 ammo that belonged to my deceased father in law (Remington) that was at least 30 maybe 40 years old that I figured for sure had to be bad too. Every single round fired. I know a lot can happen in 8 years, but that experience has soured me on CCI.

[@deadonleprechaun]

💯 true story. I had a TX 22 blow up with using CCI ammo too.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

What happened to yours?

[@deadonleprechaun]

Guns&Cars Black on black model I was shooting CCI velocitor the frame broke underneath the barrel. Both the frame and the slide were damaged, the barrel looked OK. Waiting for a replacement from taurus. If I keep seeing these stories it makes me wonder if there’s guns shouldn’t be recalled altogether?

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

@@deadonleprechaun I was inquiring as to what caused the damage. Just gun parts failure it sounds like?

[@deadonleprechaun]

Guns&Cars the ammo seemed unusually hot and got all kinds of weird FTE’s and FTF’s when golden bullet was shooting without issue. A few light primer strikes with M22 but I think the extra recoil from extra hot/hyper ammo was beating up the gun making it break the slide. I have a picture of the gun if you want to see it. I can’t find a way to post any pictures here or contact you with KZbin.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

@@deadonleprechaun I'm assuming that you have shot Velocitors before? Because they are a lot hotter than high velocity rounds by design, because they are 40 grains at 1400ish fps instead of 36-40 grains at 1200ish fps like most high velocity rounds. So if you are familiar with them and know this, then you are telling me you got even hotter than normal ones, which is definately a problem. Otherwise, yeah, they have more pop. You can post a picture on youtube under the "community" tab, if that's available to you. Back when they started it you had to have so many subs to be able to post with it, not sure about now. Or you could post a quick video of it. Also back in the day you were able to recieve private messages on youtube, but they did away with that.

[@RobWhittlestone]

All customer support services get lots of people tellling tall stories hoping to get free stuff, so no surprise the CCI guy was initially skeptical. It's a fact that not everyone is as honest as you. Great support from Taurus. All the best, Rob in Switzerland

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I understand that, but that shouldn't mean that 99.9% of their customers get the shaft because they didn't have video evidence...

[@stephenmaurer7008]

After watching this video, I am glad I purchased a Browning Buckmark UFX Camper pistol. Much more accurate than my Ruger Mark II and shoots well with all brands of ammo. If I wanted a smaller poly frame 22... I would pick a Ruger SR22 or a S&W MP 22. I will think twice about purchasing CCI 22 ammo.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Used to have a Walther P22 and loved it.

[@stephenmaurer7008]

@@BuckeyeBallistics Walther makes a quality pistol. I love my AC-42 P-38 great trigger and very accurate sidearm.

[@brucebabin4137]

I’m happy that you are thorough, I think you explained it well and it was very interesting to listen to. Thank you for sharing your experience, it means a lot. We all have a lot to learn and that would be the interesting part. Thanks again, you did great.

[@fun1brians]

Great video, super interesting. According to what I learned I will never buy a Tarus or CCI ammo. Nice how you got to the real problem of what happened. New subscriber Brian, thanks!

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks for subcribing Brian.

[@wesleytillman9774]

Thanks for the information. Glad I found out that CCI isn't what it used to be.

[@Sport--willow]

Confirmed! I will not buy CCI ammo every again!

[@Stormcloud2226]

THANKS! For the original video, and the updates. Very informative. I just purchased a Ruger LCP ll 22lr. I will definitely check the barrel after misfires, or anything wierd. The life you saved may just be mine. So thanks again. I now subscribe.

[@AbeDehili]

Taurus is an awesome gun. The T22 is fantastic. I use exclusively Aguila ammo. Never had a single issue.

[@chrish6545]

I'm a big Taurus fan bro and thanks for showing me that I will never purchase another CCI round. My guns deserve better quality

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Anytime, thanks for watching. Your thumbnail kinda looks like Chuck Liddell lol.

[@chrish6545]

@@BuckeyeBallistics LoL , If I only had his money---- I just bought a new S&WM&P 15-22 and broke it in with 500 rounds of Remington Thunderbolts. Every shot was perfect and I was just going to buy more ammo for it when I watched your video. 22LR is a little hard to get right now but I defiantly won't use anymore CCI even though my gun has a lifetime warranty. That still could have backfired in your face if it were a weaker gun.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

It happens with every manufacturer eventually. What I'm upset about is the customer service, or the lack thereof I should say.

[@chrish6545]

@@BuckeyeBallistics I just happened to be reading my Smith& Wesson M&P 15-22 Safety manual. There is a 2 page article especially for CCI Stingers. It says do not use this ammo or death or damage to you or your gun may occur. Something about a slight chamber bore and the bullet design does not work together. I was fascinated by this, if you would like to read it. You can download the instruction manual for the gun. Take care- Chuck was worth 14 million last year lol

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

@@chrish6545 Yeah the stingers have a longer case by like a mm or two. Most modern guns are built to handle this, and if not, they say so in the manual. The Ruger 10/22 is another gun that says don't use stingers. The TX22 however doesn't say not to use them.

[@lknanml]

Customer service. It's amazing what a difference it makes.

[@badgimp4577]

I will never buy CCI ammo again. Cant stand a company that doesn't stand behind their product. When something went went wrong, like some sleazy company, they tried to get out of it.

[@robertlyman9789]

Bad Gimp at least replace the barrel? Pay for an aftermarket brand

[@scottdavis6734]

I normally dont reply to KZbin but in this case I make an exception. So seldom these day does a young man admit to their error, you did congratulations. I respect your honesty. We as shooters are responsible for our mistakes and as humans we make them. I have been shooting for 50plus years, yes I'm an old fart. I own over 50 firearms and have been reloading for 40 plus years. I have had 2 reloading failures both squibs I recognized both thankfully as both were high power rifles. I have also had 2 ND thankfully with no consequence as I followed the rules regarding muzzle control. My fault on all counts. I do believe the round was faulty and was manufactured without powder. . .22 ammo is made on automatic equipment at the rate of 100s of thousands an hour. We demand this as we want low price plinking ammo, I for one will be glad to not see .22 cost twice as much just to slow down production and add quality control. I bet I'm not alone. Bottom line with .22 if anything is unusual when shooting STOP and check. We will all pay for your new barrel in the cost of ammo. You did not have any problem with the BIB you caused the problem by replaceing the mag and loading the round and pulling the trigger. I have a range dowel in my bag to check my bores, you need to slow down and think or someday you will have a grenade in your hand. You say the gun just went click, well a click wont put a bullet half way down the barrel, pay attention you were at fault.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thank you for watching and commenting

[@scottdavis6734]

I did edit this post after your immature rantings and name calling. Good luck in your future , I suggest work on your people skills and ego for greater success.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Yeah and like I replied to your other comment, I suggest you take a look in the mirror when adressing people and don't be shocked when disrespect gets you disrespect in return. See, first you were respectful and I gave respect back. But not now...

[@kenwatanabe2599]

Thank you for the follow up on this. Crappy service from CCI. The new warning on their box should now read "do not use this ammo in ANY gun of ANY caliber". I know I'm not buying any of their ammo for my guns. Someone should get a case of their stinger ammo, and on video, weight each bullet, I'm sure you'll see an underweight round and post it with this video.

[@johnemmons9087]

WOW! That sucks man! I’ve shot cci for over 30 years and have always loved them. Matter of fact I have a partial box of stingers I still have from the early 90’s. This sort of thing always happens when a company is sold to another. I’ve seen it happen to companies I’ve worked for. The hotshots come in and create “cost saving measures” to increase profits. Then they leave with big checks and big smiles while the company goes down hill and customers suffer. Almost seems like a long term plan to destroy America from the inside out.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Yeah that's the ONLY reason one company buys another- because they see dollar signs.

[@kennethingle3523]

Some people criticize as they are mad you know more than they do,do not let little minded people get you down, you did right keep up the vids thanks

[@anothercomputerguy]

That's a kinda funny contrast of two companies in the same situation. Both sold a faulty product, but the company that wasn't responsible for the specific failure chose to resolve it without insulting or hassling you. The back order sucks but it's understandable. This has been an interesting saga to follow.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks for following; more recently the slide broke. Now I have to call Taurus about that...

[@jacobnelson3219]

Taurus is a great company hands down

[@ashinch0r]

Well CCI convinced me to never buy their rounds. Thanks for the helpful video!

[@BangBangBo]

I think the issue is that you’re not using 22 Plinkster’s “Stangers” special edition ammo.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Lol

[@chevypreps6417]

Sorry you had the problem. Your experience with CCI and Taurus is not surprising. Dealing with any large corporation, you have a good chance of getting the run around. As cheap as 22lr ammo is, I would expect more problems of this nature. Good thing you had the video.

[@jayleeper1512]

I had a similar issue with CCI large rifle primers back in the 70s where l had several dud primers in reloads for a 308 Winchester. I ended up with a bullet lodged in the bore after shooting a mule deer. The deer was wounded and required a second which l was unable to do as my rifle was rendered useless. I had to wrestle the deer down and kill it with my hunting knife. I had used new brass and had the bullet seated to engage the rifling so it had stuck when l attempted to eject the round. Later l had the same thing happen at the range and had two new cartridges, unfired cases with unfired CCI primers with firing pin dents in both of them. I sent one to CCI and kept the other one. CCI refused to take responsibility or admit any thing and, like you, pretty much blew me off. I still have the one brass with the dud primer in my shop and have avoided anything CCI ever since.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Wow so same poor customer service even 50 years ago when people supposedly took more pride in their work...

[@DCCHANNELGUNS]

Great Video !!! Good Information!!!😃

[@winterstorm7245]

Your video explaining was accurate, articulate, and very easy to follow people just need to criticize and have an opinion.

[@TR5T]

I have used these for years and loved them.

[@MrLupold]

at least they knew the issue at Taurus in their Barrels and CCI is just covering their butts and QC is an issue!. in all and all you didn't get hurt is the best outcome and rapid firing CCI ammo can be Catastrophic!!! Thank you and take care CCI should take care of you and be thankful for no lawsuit. be safe!

[@frugalprepper]

FedEx Saver is like $23 to ship a firearm. Also your FFL can ship a handgun via USPS, so you can take it to them and drop it off in a flat rate box. Put your return address on it and they will give it to USPS for you.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks for the tip, will definately use that advice when I send it in soon because now the slide has broken.

[@jeffwerner1291]

That sucks what happend brother. I love Taurus and their customer service. Sucks you have to wait that long, seeing as you already purchased the firearm, they should attend to you first even if it means taking a barrel out of another gun. Now, as far as cci, 1 their overpriced, 2 I've had some issues as well, and 3, after hearing and seeing what happend, I will never buy cci again. I will also let alot of my friends now ( who are avid shooters) exactly what shitty customer service they have. Hope you get your gun back soon brother

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks for the support man. Still waiting, but I expected to be waiting forever as indicated by my phone call with them. I'll post a video whenever the barrel finally gets here, probably summer if I had to guess. Also I'm probably transitioning to Aguila as a CCI replacement, since they wanted to do me like that. Sucks cause I still have many thousands of CCI rounds left, just about every type they offered, and was hoping for sponsorship one day after my 20 years of loyalty to them. Maybe Aguila will be happy to adopt me into their family instead...

[@jeffwerner1291]

@@BuckeyeBallistics No worries. I cant believe they did you like that. I work for a sports store that Carrie's lots of guns and ammo. I've never been a big cci fan, but I will make sure I let people know how their customer service treats people. I think Taurus is great. I just bought the G3 today . Thanks again for your channel, and what you went through. I hope they straighten ut out real quick. Sorry again for the headache bro.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

@@jeffwerner1291 Cool, I just the G3 also a couple weeks ago and made a video of it last week. Great gun for the price.

[@jeffwerner1291]

@@BuckeyeBallistics That's cool brother, I'll have to check it out. I have the Taurus G2 and G2c and absolutely love them. I'll probably catch shit fir this, but I actually like them better than my glock. I think Taurus has come a long way. Their customer service is normally real good to; except for them lagging on getting you your TX22 barell. I hope you get that soon brother. Keep up the good work. Just started watching your videos after the TX22, CCI issue .

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

@@jeffwerner1291 Yeah I have the G2 also. One of my favorite guns and it was only $199.

[@cbyutube]

Good video, both of them. Glad you got through to them. Carry on (and thanks for your efforts!).

[@autonomous6788]

Thank you for the update, yes, a little long, but, the right to have your rant was earned the hard way. A couple of takeaways from your situation for everyone: 1) always clear the weapon and check the already "SAFED" weapon after a misfire or even a perceived misfire. 2) any suspect ammunition should be weighed to check for more bad rounds. If you shoot, you should at least have a cheap scale that could tell the difference between good and light loads. CCI used to be the highest quality round on the market. Its a shame to hear something like this complaint about them. You hit on several issues that currently plague all businesses. The first issue, low quality standards, most likely due to some bean counter trying to maximize their profits. This issue is most likely what caused the base problem at CCI and Taurus. The second issue, seen again at both companies, they ignored the actual problem and looked for the cheapest way out. For CCI, that meant initially blaming you, until you explained you had evidence. For Taurus, that meant just burying your problem with their current headache. Sorry to hear about your issues, but, all of us can profit from your update. Thank you

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Well said.

[@frankvoynar6427]

Got too add. In today's world that's the way it usually turns out. A man's word isn't good enough. You need or proof. Pics documents etc. etc etc. Glad too hear u got resolve.

[@brucekelley8431]

Hey I appreciate the videos. Unfortunately most companies just don’t give a rats ass what customers experience. I’ll be using a different brand ammo now.

[@FreakyT333]

I appreciate your time to share this pretty shitty experience. I gained great info no matter how you point the blame. I personally clean and lube to my standards all new firearms I acquire. I do wonder if your firing the gun straight out the box could somehow have assisted in leading to this chain of issues. Not saying it did just food for thought. I found several shavings and goop inside the last couple guns I prepped from new.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I had a primer only squib load, meaning only the primer went off, which was just enough propulsion to silently put the bullet 2/3rds of the way down the barrel. Then the next round slammed into it due to my failing to detect the squib. Obviously the condition or maintenance of the firearm will not affect this, as it was faulty ammunition. Just to clarify...

[@JLange642]

Sounds to me like we ALL would be wise to avoid not only CCi for ammo, but Taurus too for crappy quality control. Thanks for the update!

[@frotobaggins7169]

i think the taurus issue is related to the shoddy ammo. they don't want to argue or fight about it so they just replace the parts since they don't cost much, to them. they don't want involved in any legal battle with other companies, that will just cost them even more money and time. so they did the right thing and replaced the barrel free of charge. now i'm not gun smith so maybe i'm missing something but it seems like taurus did the right thing. IMHO

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

You did miss something. As I said in the video, some of the TX22 barrels were faulty, which is what I believe JLange642 is referring to. I even made a video about the bad barrels to warn the public...

[@frotobaggins7169]

@@BuckeyeBallistics i think i caught that, i just assumed that they were just saying that so as not to say anything bad that could result in a law suit by the ammo company. seems odd that if you have a KNOWN defective part in a GUN, you wouldn't contact every person who owns one to correct it so as to avoid a huge legal problem that would cost large sums of money. after all one serious injury and.... but maybe i assume to much. seems odd that they would admit to have a defective barrel so nonchalantly.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

@@frotobaggins7169 Maybe if you watched my video about it, it would make more sense, as I showed the issue. Some people found the issues before they fired a single round through the gun. Taurus wasn't making the barrel themselves, another company was. Once they found out about the defect, they switched suppliers- understandably so. And yes, they should have absolutely contacted everyone, put out a recall. The fact that they didn't is dirty business, so that's why I exposed them before I even talked to them, to warn owners and would be owners since Taurus was trying to sweep it under the rug. I assure you I wouldn't blindly mislead my audience about something like this; I did my research before ever speaking a word about it.

[@frotobaggins7169]

@@BuckeyeBallistics i did, i guess i just misunderstood, no need to be rude. jeeze. i thought we were just talking here. sorry i ever commented on your video. i won't watch again.

[@pnw3608]

My first thought would’ve been to just call Taurus for a replacement barrel in the first place, as they have great customer service, I wouldn’t have even bothered with cci

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

I wanted to try to give CCI the chance to do the right thing. At least now everyone knows...

[@dustinspencer5691]

glad I watched this because I've had issues with the last box of stingers, won't be buying anymore.

[@jerrynpatti]

The shell of the stinger is longer than a regular long rifle. So by using it the shell on some guns with the extra length will jam inside the barrel and the shell can't expand when fired so the pressure comes back. A lot of manufacturer say not to use stingers in them. Its not the fault of the ammo if you choose to use extra lengty ammo like stinger. Some of my guns I can shoot stinger and other ones say not to use it.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

The tx22 does not say to not use them...

[@mfree80286]

@@BuckeyeBallistics ... because they're fine. Well.. they were fine, apparently. In a .22LR all a longer case will do against you is be that little extra that doesn't clear the chamber on extraction when you have a semiauto that short strokes due to design, dirt, or too much recoil spring. .22lr is a heeled bullet... the chamber is line bored all the way to the rifling because it's the same diameter as the bullet; as long as OAL doesn't stick the projectile into the rifling it'll headspace where it's supposed to, on the rim. Other guns just say "no" because the pressure's higher and they're marginal on timing.

[@johnhoward6655]

As an owner of multiple Taurus firearms and someone that had always considered CCI as a quality ammo I really found your posts very helpful. I don't understand why the primer fire did not ignite the propellant unless it was bad ammo. I only use my Taurus pistols for fun because I consider it an off brand for quality anyway. Personal protection deserves the big bucks. So I'm disappointed in both products, but I'm very surprised by the CCI ammo issue. That said, I will offer that j have always advised against using Stingers in semi auto pistols because they have a slightly longer case than "normal" .22 caliber rounds. Thus, they at times jam on ejection. Regardless, great videos. Thanks.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

My thought was that there wasn't any gunpowder at all in that particular round.

[@johnhoward6655]

@@BuckeyeBallistics Thanks. Makes sense.

[@orangekawi4319]

I haven't bought Stingers in 10+ years because they are absolute garbage. Most bulk pack ammo is more consistent.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Really? That might explain why I never found them to be very accurate. I shot a few back in the day just to play around with them and then quit shooting them. I threw some in the video because some people have requested stingers on some of my videos. Big mistake lol.

[@orangekawi4319]

@@BuckeyeBallistics They have been inaccurate in every gun I have tried them in. After shooting them over a chrono it was obvious why. Seriously inconsistent.

[@SurgeWorld]

Surprised about CCI customer service. I suppose there are not many ammo providers on the market, so they can tell people to screw off. Have to say, it is strange that during this ammo shortage CCI ammo is much easier to find then any other brands. Thanks for sharing .

[@gregeliason2536]

Just saw this vid. Its a very unfortunate experience you had. Luckily you weren't hurt. Unfortunately many gun manufacturers and ammunition nowadays have lost alot of their quality control. I'm also a Buckeye and probably an hour south of you. Keep up the good videos!

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks. Always glad to hear I got another Ohioan. Welcome to the channel!

[@randyperkins5063]

FU cci!!!

[@SecretAgentBond]

Thanks for posting the final resolution to the CCI ammo problem. Count me as one more person who won't be purchasing anymore CCI (or Blazer) products. I will be sticking to my Federal ammo. I'm also glad to see Taurus has better support for their products (even though they failed the QC test) and promised you a new barrel, someday, in the future 🙏

[@matsericsson3225]

TheDigitalWizCom federal owns CCI......

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

My understanding is that it's Vista Outdoors or ATK. One of them own Federal and now CCI as well; CCI ammunition can now be made in federal factories potentially.

[@americanpatriot5764]

😂😂😂

[@matthall7695]

Cci used to be considered premium ammo. I have run the cheapest no name ammos along side cci and the cheap stuff consistently runs and cycles better than the cci junk. Unfortunately I stocked up for rainy days with CCi and have a bunch of it that I no longer trust. Long story short won’t be risking my firearms and certainly my safety with it ever again.

[@buzzbombkirk]

Customer service aside, I think what CCI said is correct given the facts the uploader stated. Slam fire, ignition out of battery, lower chamber pressure, squib, looks like FTE, next round grenades when hits squib. If there's a super high FPS version of the original video, that could answer this question. Interesting one, though. Thanks for the update!

[@tedmales6984]

OH THE HUMANITY!!!! You had to find a box. A BOX. You lost me after the tears from having to provide your own box got on the camera lens.

[@wilburbudz]

Thank You Both Videos They Were Very Informative

[@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin]

Saw the original and the update! Great explanation on the issue. Keep up the good work.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thank you and thanks for watching them all.

[@xxn0thing]

CCI Minimags used to be the gold standard of reliable 22LR ammo. But, in search of increased profits, corners have been cut.

[@kevinthompson5827]

Almost sounds like the beginning of the end for CCI ammunition. I have shot 1000's of Stinger bullets. And luckily I never had any issue.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Yeah they merged with Fedral and some other companies as well (ATK?) and it apparently caused some quality issues. Also they moved their plant. Quality went down but price stayed up. That's bullshit. And now we know what their customer service is like too.

[@kevinmcdonald6446]

Good info. Thanks to you, Kudos to Taurus, and poop on CCI.

[@jameskirk3]

Would be beneficial to show viewers, especially rookie shooters, the proper procedures for a malfunction. I personally use a zip tie to ensure my barrel is clear after I give it about 10 seconds waiting on a delayed round to go off (supposed to be 30 seconds, aiming downrange to reasonably ensure it wont fire after a delay), but it is vital that you're not firing in to an obstructed barrel. Be glad it was 22 caliber. Usually that is a mistake people make that puts them in the hospital. With 50 BMG a la Kentucky Ballistics, it can kill you to have an obstructed or malfunction in the barrel, defensive calibers aren't typically fatal, but they can take off fingers. 3 problems present. The round firing a primer, or whatever the exact failure was, and blocking the barrel, a pistol firing out of battery (an assumption made off the input from the CCI factory, which I have my doubts about that particular situation, having watched the first video), and failing to ensure the barrel was clear before firing another round, unfortunately, that one is on you. Pretty disappointed in CCI after hearing this, even if the customer isn't giving perfect input (video link etc) the customer service rep should take all the information they can get and investigate fully when it comes to malfunctions in firearms, if that had been a 9mm it would be a personal injury situation, not an irritated customer. Thanks for the input and the thorough recount of events. Glad you weren't injured, it could've been much worse than what it is. All the best.

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Thanks for watching both videos and all the comments. I learned a lot from this experience, and I'm glad it was with a .22 and not something bigger.