Tyberos the Red Wake vs Asterion Moloc | Who Would win?

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[@majorkill]

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[@Asraeks]

are you gonna make space spartan king mini sometime?

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

The Carcharodons are World Eaters and I can prove it.

[@heliosjollywolf9552]

imo moloc should lose cus with him there's a lot of IF this is true or IF that is true, while the only theorized part about tyberos is his weapons could be corax's lightning claws

[@77247]

*Trajan Valoris could take on anyone sans Guiliman, if not him as well, other than that, vibe video

[@serbronnoftheblackwater798]

Sorry mate but nearly all the points you made were dead wrong. This is a clearly lopsided matchup in the first place, you have to do better than moloch for tyberos. But I'm still trying to wrap my head around wether you actually thought this out enough or not

[@Volvith]

Guilliman: "... Are you a Primarch?" Tyberos _"No, i don't need to be."_

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

*Who knows?*

[@jmr2408]

This conversation is gonna be in my head-canon now.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Gullmyman: meh, either way. See those enemies of the Imperium? Yeah they need to die.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@somethinglikethat2176*No problem* *BOYS! TIME TO EAT!!!*

[@johnguy3211]

@@tyberostheredwake6153 Meats back on the menu boys!

[@Asraeks]

The bigger question is: who could stop the two of them if they teamed up

[@madwolf1488]

Well ... the Emperor isn't around, so i think no one :D

[@Biscione93]

Obviously Golden Boiz

[@allanirvine7304]

Guilliman and maybe the custodes

[@haleonnovarider8182]

Valdor and Valoris tag team? Abbadon and Typhus? The possibilities are as tantalizing as Batllemace 40,000,000 Hentai

[@tappingninja]

The Champion of Khorne, Kharn…

[@chucklytell]

Scene- Abaddon steps forth from the ranks of the black legion, bellowing his challenge to the loyalist chapters assembled before him. From within the lines of loyal Astartes two massive figures approach, the marines stepping aside to allow for the tremendous bulk Of Tyberos the Red Wake, his massive claws crackling to life as the chains of his power fist cut the very air asunder. Nearby another group of Astartes make room for the second challenger as the fearsome visage of Asterion Moloc strides forth, clad in his panoply of war with his tremendous shield and spear promising inevitable suffering and defeat to any that would stand against him. Abaddon the Despoiler looks on, his desire for battle giving way to dread as the two gods of war turn to face one another, and quietly engage in a game of rock-paper-scissors to determine who will have the honor of claiming his treacherous head...

[@Eleftherios323]

Is that at this moment Abe knew he fucked up.That moment must become canon.

[@gunmonkey1185]

OMG. That's the best ever. Two of Imperium Biggest Chad( literally and figuratively) kiddy fight for the right to put Abby down forever.

[@taoisttiger4702]

Pretty sure Tyberos can only throw "scissors" so it would be a pretty predictable match lol

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

*There will be a bloody good reason why the mortals call Abaddon the "Armless" after I and the Cow are done with him*

[@eace5078]

😮

[@mysteriousfletcher9838]

Both have their own scare tactics one looks like a giant superhuman blender and the other is a space marine with nearly equal strength to a custodian and those guys are known beasts.

[@Random_User99]

If Asterion is a custodian then he is head and shoulders above Tyberos. Custodians are on a completely different tier of martial prowess, speed, and agility. Without all of the theories, I would say Tyberos has the upper hand.

[@kgarnerr1590]

@@Random_User99 I think he was trying to say that Asterion is near equivalent in combat as a Custodian, I'm not sure he was trying to say he is a custodian. I may be wrong tho please correct me.

[@heliosjollywolf9552]

@@Random_User99 thats a really big IF also seeing that tyberos can outspeed a swarm of genestealers i dont think theyd be that far apart

[@captainducktape689]

See, I feel like both scare the shit out of you by just standing there and glaring menacingly.

[@pepethefallenmemelord3908]

Nah asterion is most certainly stronger than a regular custodies

[@Matt-tb5un]

This is one of those fights in a movie where a guy is willing to take the spear in his gut just to lodge it there and lock in close to the speedier fighter. Once in, the larger brute just rips the other one to pieces. Classic!

[@MrFallenone]

Thats why you leave it in and draw a sword ... because everyone who fought with a spear had a secondary weapon. Unless they were a filthy peasant.

[@62sy]

Rip them apart with their teeth…

[@seanfoley3848]

@@MrFallenone Ah , I see you subscribe to the aragorn son of arathorn school of combat , I always remember the look on that urak hai's face after he grabs the sword and pulls it in , goes from "haha what ya gonna do" , to getting his arms and head chopped off real quick

[@simplysage3562]

Oh so Rogal Versus Alpharius all over again???

[@darrenshepherd3984]

That's what I were finkin. Take a spear thrust then mutilate the poor mother.

[@chrismorel8613]

I've always harbored the faint suspicion that "hunger" and "slake" are secretly the lost lightning claws of Konrad Curze "mercy" and "forgiveness"

[@synergy8879]

why would a night lord have weapons named as forgiveness and mercy?

[@chrismorel8613]

@@synergy8879 Because those were the last things his pleading terrified victims would be begging for. Allowing konrad curze to then claim straight faced that he never gave them anything they did not ask of him...

[@amadeokomnenus1414]

Thats some cold shit right there@@chrismorel8613

[@Knightosaurus]

I'm still clinging to the idea that the Carcharodons are linked to the Night Lords in some way. It's just too perfect of a set up.

[@luked8873]

The night lords are pretty well known for a dark sense of humour, Ave Dominus Nox 🦹

[@arminreep4056]

I deepstriked Tyberos into Deathwing Bladeguards, and he killed two in one turn. The dude cannot be stopped.

[@jacobgale4792]

Rerolls baby

[@memesterjohnson1402]

damn son!

[@einaragustorvaldsson7716]

Does he have rules ?

[@jacobgale4792]

@@einaragustorvaldsson7716 yup and they’re pretty damn good!

[@arminreep4056]

@@einaragustorvaldsson7716 Check out auspexs tactics' vid on him. Also, his rules are in the Imperial armor compendium

[@milanmarkovic2721]

Have we ever seen Tyros without armor? If not, he could be just a head with really advanced armor.

[@robertnelson9599]

If they were an Iron Hands successor maybe. But the Space Sharks are a bit of an outcast chapter.

[@milanmarkovic2721]

@@robertnelson9599 Oh thanks. I'm a newbie and just started with space marines.

[@therealnoodledog6660]

This is funny. I can imagine him being a floating head, but he would still have some sort of weak points in his mechanical organs somehow inside that armour, i guess. But it's a good point.

[@Mikazuchireborn]

@@therealnoodledog6660 You never know. His body could be strengthened with some sort of advanced enhancements from the Dark Age, capable of rivaling the bio-alchemy used to built the Custodes. Valarian's a shield captain and even he wasn't certain that he could win against Moloc.

[@SIRTUBEZ]

All I can see now is Richard Nixon's head from Futurama with space marine armor

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

Would’ve been neat if the tyrannids were afraid of Tyberos because they sensed a predator more dangerous than themselves.

[@Fuzzycat16]

That would be some fun flavor.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

*Ohohoh belive me, they ARE*

[@Andrewlang90]

This would be like the time the Nids fought a demon army made of the 4 chaos gods and because they are just warp energy and not bio mass, they saw the demons as predators and tried to gather as much planet biomass and bounce.

[@____________838]

Individual Nids likely are. However the Hive Mind is a thing.

[@Volvith]

I like to imagine Orks hate Tyberos, because "Dis big un makes killing un-fun."

[@barlotardy]

I'm not convinced that Tyberos isn't actually a heresy-era marine, given the space shark's heavy use of cryo-sleep in between deployments, and the fact that 30K marines were generally bigger due to the geneseed being less watered down.

[@Drakenfoul]

*Maybe he has some of the 1st geneartion Astartes Geneseed, that stil has mutch of the Thunderwarrior aspects in it?*

[@imperialguardsman5726]

@@Drakenfoul *snooooooooooort* tyberos is the primarch of the 2nd or 15th legions. i will not elaborate

[@Drakenfoul]

@@imperialguardsman5726 *LOADS CAWL MRK 2 BOLTER* Im afraid you know to mutch, Guardsman.

[@imperialguardsman5726]

@@Drakenfoul who knows, maybe i do, maybe i don't

[@brendanfligger1669]

I'm convinced the Space Sharks were founded by a group of the marines Corvus Corax sent into deep space never to be seen again, and Tyberos was one of the few to live long enough to see the 41st millennium

[@vyanesh6487]

Moloc has so many “ifs” when Tyberos has a lot of facts of how he could do damage. Just saying.

[@Noble6Espeo]

I mean one fact everyone in the comments is forgetting in the sea of if's is that he IS an astarte's killer and he DID make a high level custodies seriously consider he might lose. His war gear IS NOT average and is quite op. Same chapter master who beat the crap out of the Ultra Marines (during the matt ward era no less)

[@vyanesh6487]

@@Noble6Espeo This is true, and there was also a few “ifs” on Tyberos (such as the origin of his claws) though I still personally think Tyberos would be the victor in this fight. …However, if it was a chapter war then sooner or later Tyberos would die to Moloc. Since we are pretty sure someone or something keeps bringing him back to life somehow with his memories intact, it would only be a matter of time before he could best Tyberos.

[@heliosjollywolf9552]

@@Noble6Espeo theres ome slight problem with that though... tyberos is not a normal astartes and seeing as his chapter uses outdated gear from the horus heresy megladon daddy could be about 10000 years old soo IF moloch is a custodes would it make a differance at that poimt if hes going up against an astartes with as much experiance as guys like dante

[@Noble6Espeo]

@@heliosjollywolf9552 their gear isnt Herasy era. While their founding isnt confirmed they use the grey and red tithes to keep their troops and warbear up to date that much is known. Mind you I'm not advocating for Maloc, simply pointing alot of people on both sides are quick to point out the hypotheticals of the other side while leaving their own alone. Both are awesome and both have a good argument

[@heliosjollywolf9552]

@@Noble6Espeo the wiki does say they use old/archaic gear so they're at least very old by imperium standards id assume

[@ultimatebobafett130]

"are you telling me there's a Warhammer equivalent of doomguy?"(Kaldor Draigo) "Two actually"

[@blackgobbogaming4236]

Well there is Kharn, Kaldor, and Angron (kinda) so 3 really.

[@DanielPereira-ru5uv]

COF COF Malum Cedo COF COF

[@mikesaurus7578]

The red wake is a slaughter-factory on table top

[@myopinionbetter4287]

I think Moloch was just supposed to be a strong marine at one point but GWs ineptitude to draw clear boundaries mean a strong Goblin could be given enough juice to beat a space marine if a certain writer was a goblin larper. Moloch should basically be a custodian at this point. And if hunger and slake are primach weapons he ain't blocking crap.

[@harrisonrobinson8552]

Bruh you user name and profile pic are gold

[@bobbyrabii6119]

Isn’t moloch’s spear supposed to be a custodian spear tho?

[@crim1188]

@@bobbyrabii6119 A guardian spear is pretty cool but nothing to primarch weapons

[@wolf2965]

Be careful with using the "there are cases of a Custodian killing multiple Astartes" as an argument to give it to Moloch, because they are also derp moments like "unarmoured World Eater kills an armoured Custodian with his fists". Like many such encounters, it purely depends no who gets the plot armour at any given time.

[@MrFallenone]

One derp does not nullify dozens of examples.

[@voidstrider801]

The exception does not change the rule.

[@Cype9k]

Isn't that due to shitty writing? Like how one guy let a harlequin kill a couple dozen custodes?

[@im2randomghgh]

Graham McNeill admitted that at the time he wrote that, he thought custodes were just elite humans with good gear. Auramite is stronger than adamantine, unlike space marines' bones, regardless of a custodian's prowess. Modern depictions of custodes show them butchering space marines. Inferno stated that across the Prospero battlefront, each custodian averaged twelve terminator kill with sisters present or four without.

[@stephenbarrett8861]

Harlequins easily kill Custodes.

[@wrestlingguy8722]

Actually Majorkill Hunger and Slake come from Ashen Claws. The Ashen Claws are OG Raven Guard from Terra. Not Astral Claws. The Ashen Claws Chapter Master demanded their return but punked out like a bitch when he refused Tybros' challenge.

[@majorkill]

Yeap you are totally right, I said Astral Claws as a mistake.

[@aethertech]

@@majorkill chalk it down to a Freudian slip and consult your local magister about penance.

[@electricangel4488]

Thanks timmy

[@S3verusMyG]

@@electricangel4488 I thought Timmy was down De well?

[@ethantheginger967]

ashen claws chapter master: HEY GIVE THEM BAAAACK Tyberos: come get them ashen claws chapter master:... nvm you keep them

[@raziel6304]

Ah yes, my two favorite Chapter Masters. Giant Maori Shark Man vs Immortal Space Spartan love em both too much to pick a favorite

[@non-applicable3548]

Same

[@WideDad]

As someone who loves them both very much and has their space marines exclusively painted as the minotaurs and space sharks respectively, I don't care who wins as long as they both had fun.

[@human6310]

Don't forget to wear your helmets :)

[@bingusmingus2937]

Maybe the real 40k is the friends me made along the way

[@S3verusMyG]

@@bingusmingus2937 Fuck friends, get me that 40K in the bank. **Sigma Code 101: Money over family*

[@Volvith]

@@bingusmingus2937 Minor correction: *_Slaughtered along the way._* :)

[@psychloptic9024]

Moloch has to land multiple powerful hits in order to potentially wound Tyberos. Shark daddy only needs to land one

[@heyyobighed7594]

Lol shark daddy, I'm using that from now on

[@ichiban_co.]

Yeah same lol

[@watwouldjesusdogd3456]

I find the more reliable answer would be Tyberos, I mean IF he does actually have siege primarch weapons, what is a shield going to do? And the amount of IF's that need to be thrown in to make Mr. Spartan win makes it feel more like a chance for him rather then a gaurentee.

[@stompa6424]

I also doubt that the reach advantage is too significant. If Moloc get's close enough to stab or slice towards Tyberos he is also in reach for those giant claws to reach him back.

[@jkgf4671]

@@stompa6424 Yeah, Tiberos is taller than Moloc, so Moloc's range from spear would be equal or inferior to the range of Tiberos' arms and his claws. So the only way Moloc can use his advantage is if he would attack his hands, which i doubt would do much. Cuz if those really are Corax's claws than I doubt Moloc have strength equal to primarch to be able to damage them.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

I was thinking that. Those gauntlets are meant to rip down a fortress wall and kill anything on the other side of it. A shield wouldn't last long.

[@watwouldjesusdogd3456]

@@gerardmontgomery280 Exactly that, and as stated up a little bit too the range advantage aswell doesn't mean much. The shield at most could take a couple hits, but that doesn't mean much when the guy throwing the hits, slams like an ion cannon, and also swings faster then normal astartes, while practically being a land raider with legs

[@LukeBailey]

I agree, don't know much about either of them and I'm not a space marine player, but most of the information supporting Moloch's advantages seem to be fan speculation or rumour. At the very least, handing Moloch a win should have been caveated on this basis. If you discount even a little of the speculation about Moloch you see a win for Tyberos.

[@bbdf21]

Ngl, there is a lot of ifs for moloch. IF he is an Custodian...IF he has his memories uploaded... only one of these could be true.

[@akumakazenoryu]

exactly, instead of that we know about tyberos, i think tyberos would win, with a arm lacking but he would win.

[@Noble6Espeo]

I mean a few facts everyone in the comments is forgetting in the sea of if's is that he IS an astarte's killer and he DID make a high level custodies seriously consider he might lose. His war gear IS NOT average and is quite op. Same chapter master who beat the crap out of the Ultra Marines (during the matt ward era no less)

[@bbdf21]

@@Noble6Espeo And Shark Daddy’s wargear isn’t average as well 😂 Also he didn’t consider he might lose. He wasn’t sure he might win. That is a difference. The same Custodes said that Constantine Valdor would easily win. And he was not a high level Custodes. And I say that despite him being my personal favorite custodes character.

[@HalIOfFamer]

imo while the shield would not be penetrated, it would just get ripped from the hand, or with the hand if moloc gripped too hard. If you ever used a chainsaw and it gripped the wood you know what I am talking about. And remember that most portrayal of chain weaponry is wrong in every single animation, they dont spin at a regular speed, it would not be effective against anything, instead imagine a cnc on crack but in a chainsaw. A typical chain on a chainsaw moves around 25-30 m/s. Chain weaponry in 40k is often described as howling because the spin is disturbing the air around them.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Not a 40k expert (or physics for that matter), so correct me if I'm wrong but are they like chainswords, in that they have a mono-molecular cutting edge? If so would they not cut rather than generate torque by rip tearing like a chainsaw? Edit: On second thought, your point about distributing the air and if they are displacing that than they are probably generating a lot of force cutting through a soild is a good one and probably correct.

[@RAMBOdyykkari]

Never have I imagined these 2 chapters fighting one another. The Bull vs the Shark, sounds like a Sabaton album :o

[@custink22]

Yes. Yes it does. They already have a song about the Boar against the Eagle.

[@robberyproductions1363]

The winner: The Bull shark

[@hayescharles45]

If GW were to write this fight in lore, sabaton would definitely write a song about it. I would not rest till they did it

[@BobelPop]

If they did the fusion dance you'd get a Bull Shark! I know it sounds dumb but I couldn't resist. Lol

[@shaylimglanville4209]

I mean if you count German panzers as bulls and a Maori battalion as sharks then yeah it happened and guess who won

[@haleonnovarider8182]

Points well made on both sides mate, however I would disagree with you on the one point about Tyberos being slow and ungainly. We have multiple cases in the lore where large marines with prodigious skills and strength are able to move terminator armor on par with any normally armored space marine. Abbadon being the most notable. That combined with the fact that the Carcharodons actively hunt in the deepest regions of space and likely regularly have to deal with the speed of Tyrranids, I'm going to say that Tyberos is more than capable of keeping up with the speed of Moloc. Other than that though it would be an absolutely epic show down

[@Mr.Monacle]

In fact, Tyberos is one such example, being stated to be faster in his armor than any normal marine from his chapter according to the book he’s most prominently featured in.

[@alphanoodle1877]

he never said he was slow, just not agile. Running fast does not mean god at dodging since those two are different skills.

[@Gabriel-cg9tj]

@@Mr.Monacle he’s fast but not agile, that’s the biggest disadvantage of most of these high tier armors, Tyberos tho would be exceptional tho yes but Moloch has a Op shield and godly op spear and basically endless amounts of knowledge, Minotaurs are known for literally killing anything in sight

[@questofknowledge8788]

@@Gabriel-cg9tj agile doesn’t mean much. Having (just for fun) spared with someone who used spear and shield bear handed, you get close it is over. I grabbed that shield and used it as a way to control him, the hand based weapons are awesome in Warhammer for this reason. Ultimately it comes to the point of the question being how fast can one reach the other and how deadly is long range to them?

[@SpaghettiToaster]

You can't just move towards someone who has a spear. If you're only fast but not agile, you'll get stabbed.

[@thelaughingjester7537]

Damn it now I want to know who would win between Dante and Logan Grimnar. Also love the 5 d of dodgeball

[@blingsing5383]

I would give the win to Grimnar but the universe will not let poor Dante

[@Aredel]

Dante could just fly overhead and shoot at him with his Inferno pistols.

[@cptclonks7279]

Dante ftw

[@eichler721]

At this point Logan wins as Dante is weak and still recovering from his near death fight with the Swarmlord. However in their peak I give it to Dante as he is faster and far more experienced and has better gear.

[@bigolbearthejammydodger6527]

they have actually sparred before - and dante won, one reason that the blood angels are welcomed at the fang with open arms. This is some old lore from way back btw - in the old codex books. It was sparring though - not a death match.

[@brandonhertzing7017]

The reason I personally give it to Tyberos is because one important thing to note In his lore is that one of his favorite combat tactics is repeatedly teleporting with his terminator armor since it has a built in teleporter. teleporting into enemy lines, murdering them and then teleporting again. So if he used that against Moloch he could immediately kill the range and shield advantage by simply teleporting behind him.

[@ongboklichan]

This, 100%

[@silverbladeofnorth7345]

"You have not seen tyberos"

[@Steven-xz5xt]

“Heh, nothing personnel, kid” - Tyberos, The Red Wake

[@silverbladeofnorth7345]

@@Steven-xz5xt "Its only business" Tyberos upon locking equipment of Asterion in Carcharodons reliquary

[@MastemaJack]

Even without teleporting, his claws design are actually designed in a way they can hook onto shields. Tyberos can hook the shield to move it to give him and opening to attack or try to take it sheld off the other guy.

[@ChasemeChaos]

I'm early, the Khan should be proud on how fast I come...👀

[@hm_stg]

Your gf shouldn't

[@miyama8936]

Poor choice of wording...

[@kailiciousthumbsup]

You meant came ;)

[@RyujinNoKami]

Very poor choice of words

[@kasinokaiser1319]

Fulgrim would be proud too

[@jamesdeek7039]

Tyberos at least isn't a bootlicker for the high lords

[@TheCyricson]

the spartan obeys guiliman now, high lords are big boy's bitches

[@Primus_Phallus]

Its basically like Oberyn and the Mountain. Sure the Spartan's speed and skill can theoretically tumble the big man many times, maybe even bring him to his knees, but the Red Wake just needs one clean shot, just one.

[@DP-dd6hl]

That would be a bad comparison as Asterion isn't far of in size and would not be one shotted.

[@Primus_Phallus]

@@DP-dd6hl Tyberos has primarch tier weapons. No amount of armor,shield or top of the line Astartes gear can stop that, delivered by a Space Marine that's a nerf Primarch himself. Like I said, just one clean shot.

[@DP-dd6hl]

@@Primus_Phallus the same works both ways and nothing Morloc is wearing is standard gear. The spear itself cuts through tank armour with ease. Sorry but in this case as has always been since they were created by FW writers Moloc takes the win.

[@Primus_Phallus]

@@DP-dd6hl Agree to disagree then.

[@DP-dd6hl]

@@Primus_Phallus fair enough. There should be a novel where both work together smashing some heretic or something. Would be good for the fans.

[@woolblanket379]

The theory that Tyberos wields the claws of Corvus Corax is actually quite cool!

[@non-applicable3548]

Great way to bring the Raven Guard some new fans, especially with Corvus being a warp shadow daemon now

[@vrdzzzz]

It would be even better, if GW didn't lock Corax in that semi-demon-who-knows-where-he-is state. So there'd be a chance, that Tyberos is really Corax plus some acid baths for disguise.

[@emperorxander666]

If Modoc has died many times that means he not as good at staying alive just saying.

[@bloodangel19]

That's not quite how it works. When you know your mind will live on in another space marine, what's there to fear? Why not jump face first at a daemon primarch?

[@blackgobbogaming4236]

@@bloodangel19 No reason to fear death when you live forever. Kinda

[@IRdatank]

People tend to overvalue skill and agility in a straight fight. There's a reason we use rigid weight classes for fighting sports. If Moloch is a Custodies or had significant time to prep the scene, I'd give him the edge. Throw them both in the octagon and hit the bell? The Hulk takes it every damn time.

[@im2randomghgh]

Weight classes don't matter once weapons enter the equation. Also, Moloc is bigger than Tyberos, by a lot. A head taller = ~8", custodes are about 2' higher

[@garomir4468]

@@im2randomghgh tyberos is bigger than moloch , he's 11 feet tall

[@Drakenfoul]

@@garomir4468 he is waaaay biger then 11 feet, your avrige space marine is close to 8 ft tal, Tyb looks like he is twice the size.

[@im2randomghgh]

@@garomir4468 no he isn't. Normal space marines are 7'. He's a head taller. A head = 8". Therefore he is around 7'8 QED Moloc is either custodes or custodian sized. Custodes are around 9' tall. Therefore he is around 1'4" taller than Tyberos

[@im2randomghgh]

@@Drakenfoul that picture is fanart. Even Majorkill admits it, despite making shit up to make Tyberos seem taller to sell his mini

[@Ch.Angus.de.Milton]

Moloc could be a combination of pilfered Phœnix Lord technology and some kind of heretical High Lord controlled Custodes-Astartes cross. Maybe they clone him each time or simply use the same upgrades before plugging the new body into the armour. I still like Tyberos more...

[@justinbruck9602]

I'm partial to the theory that Asterion is actually a surviving Thunder Warrior that the Highlords fixed up with a bit of Astartes geneseed, size and martial prowess wise it would fit, the aura of unfettered violence that surrounds Asterion definitely fits.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

*We'll see how it goes*

[@Constantin_Valdor_]

I'm rooting for you Tyberos

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@Constantin_Valdor_ *Thank you, brother*

[@a_dude1933]

I rooted you from the start cuz you my favourite chapter master

[@Drakenfoul]

*The Legion of the Damed votes in your favor, The Emperor Protects*

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@Drakenfoul *That the Angels of the Emperor himself root for me is a great honour to our entire chapter. May I ask you a question, Venerable of the Damned?*

[@PatrickNiese-sn6fs]

Doesn't matter how fast Moloch is, Tyberos only has to hit him once.And he's tough enough last long enough to do it. As the Punisher once said, all things being equal, bet on the big guy.

[@momowentboom]

Haven't finished it, but my money is on Tyberos

[@bloodangel19]

Hahaha

[@obsidianthurisaz5106]

Asking the real questions, eh? I take Tyberos, Moloc keeps dying and getting re-uploaded but Tyberos just keeps wrecking shop.

[@CloSeph]

If they have some way of bringing Moloch back then he likely takes on even greater challenges than Tyberos, because death just seems to be a minor inconvenience to this guy. Things that would be suicidal for Jaws are tempting opportunities for the Swarm Lo- Asterion

[@azmiraclegirl441]

"Sorry brudda, imma hafta rip and tear you." - Tyberos

[@-EEE-]

3:06 bruh those “bodyguards” are secretly VIPs in disguise because Tyberos protects them 😂

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

Basically the Abbadon vs Sigismund fight but without the Abbadon plot armor, Yeah sounds about right

[@yoursafeplace8476]

One thing I think you're forgetting champ. Tyberos having fought many xenos means he's fought creatures with top tier agility on the regular, though he has less combat against others of his kind I don't think Molocs agility would be as big an issue as you think. The setting of the fight also matters a great deal....not much room to dodge in a hallway or small gladiator pit. An open field would be a bigger issue though. Either way I'd wind up giving this to Tyberos only because the big ol' eternal spartan theory is just a theory with no confirmation.

[@GM-lx7ji]

I had this fight in my mind for some time, thanks Majorkill for finally making a video about it.

[@tjm11015]

Idk, The shark's got this one. There is a lot of "ifs" on Molaks🐃 side, IF he is a custodes, IF his consciousness is carried on by his armor. The only "IF" on Tyberos' side is IF he is going to eat his head when he is done killing him.🦈

[@youjest_maybe4327]

They're both in Terminator armour; lore wise the armour is bulky making the wearer extremely slow (and if the Space Hulk video games are any indication, only capable of moving quickly when going forward). I theorise that, Tyberos, having a similar fighting style to Pre-Heresy Angron, would charge into Moloc, and beat his ass into the ground through the sheer size difference. Sure, Moloc's Black Spear may penetrate Tyberos' armour, but the likelihood is, that it wouldn't be instantly fatal (unless it went straight through his head), and The Red Wake isn't exactly known for being passive in a fight. Yes, Moloc has a shield, but when two things with power fields collide (shield & H&S), the kinetic shock is applied equally, and Tyberos would be in a better position to resist it, seeing as his armour is heavily reinforced, and Moloc is basically a Lego construction set with his sheer quantity of cybernetics. Thus, I reckon that 7/8 out of 10 fights would go to Tyberos.

[@joeclown4612]

“The weakest space marine beats the best guardsman…” Ibram Gaunt would like a word with you bud

[@elijahjamescomia2601]

Ibraum kicked a space marine's ass?

[@Seturaish]

@@elijahjamescomia2601 Yes as far as I remember they even fought Khorne Berserkers in one of the first books and they fought Iron Warriors? on a Chaos Planet. (Iam hearing the books on Spotify:) )

[@whythelongface64]

@@Seturaish To be fair, you could wave a red cloth in front of a Khorney boy, with a comically large anvil behind it, and mf would bang his head on it and body himself. Iron warriors though, that's something; but maybe while they fought, Gaunt hurt their insecurity by calling them worse than imperial fists; and chucked a grenade in while the iron babies had a panic attack.

[@gabrielmirandahurtado6539]

@@Seturaish Where can I find them on Spotify?

[@Seturaish]

@@whythelongface64 🤣 well if it really were Khorne Berserkers it was totally epic because those fckers were tearing through basiliksk literally ripping appart the Tank to get through them to the poor fellows who drove them The Iron Warriors were 3? against a whole village and the best of the ghosts. Close call and they only died because of arrogance and NOT wearing a helmet 🤣👍

[@Lulu-ex7fc]

Thing about Tyberos' weapons, those power claws are hooked. Those are the natural enemies of shield because they can hook the edges. If Tyberos has the edge in strength and he hooks that shield, Moloc needs to fight it off, let go of the shield and fight off the other claw, or hang on and get some frequent flyer miles.

[@eduardojara6955]

Honestly I love how major kill does versus battle. He both tries to find the best info, but also interpretations of what they can do, finally the best part..... Being Australian, keep it up Majorkill

[@starhammer5247]

The only one of his fights I have issues with is his Doomslayer one.

[@eduardojara6955]

@@starhammer5247 elaborate please?

[@starhammer5247]

@@eduardojara6955 The Doom Slayer in lore is literally a god yet Majorkill had him struggle with a Space Marine then later said that the Doom Slayer would lose more often than not while later having the Chief in another one of his battles win five times out of ten or something along those lines despite fans of both DOOM and HALO both agreeing that the Doom Slayer would kick Chief's ass. I agree with all of his other ones but that one just shows a fundamental lack of understanding of DOOM lore.

[@eduardojara6955]

@@starhammer5247 okay, yeah fair enough, he really nerfed, but I like to think this is when he was still trying it out, but I think he got better. But yeah you right

[@starhammer5247]

@@eduardojara6955, He already did a few, but it was a bit early on, but enough people have already given him shit about it.

[@AnarchyQueen.]

I have to say I don't think the shield would do much shark daddies claws are hook in the same manor as alot of disarming weapons used through out history. with the strength disadvantage I feel maloch would lose that shield to a hook grab real fast

[@sdghtjsdcgs]

Storm shields aren't like regular shields, they emit a field similar to other power weapons. Pretty sure you can't just grab them.

[@bobbysmith669]

Imagine my hype at not only seeing the title, one of my favorite Warhammer KZbinrs talking about it, but seeing my name in the vid as well (DustierSaturn). Agree with the analysis and thought it seemed fair, hopefully we'll get to see them throw down at some point in a novel. Even if Tyberos doesn't win, it'd still be epic to see. You talking about this made a very bad week much more manageable and less awful for me, thank you Majorkill.

[@jeremyleonjonas7657]

I missed these vs vids. Definetly a part of the chanel worth revisiting xD

[@blacktemplarwarlordmar9126]

I hope somebody anima- oh wait, it's been blocked off by the Cicatrix Maledictum. Damn it....

[@michaelmoser7497]

I always wanted to see a battle between Tyberos and Kharn the Betrayer

[@custink22]

Pretty sure Kharn would quickly become a stain on the floor. And walls. And ceiling.

[@broccoligaming7611]

@@custink22 And Khorne would be next

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@custink22 *Well, that is if I can squash him before he gets empowered by his rage. The key in this is speed*

[@custink22]

@@tyberostheredwake6153 idk, Kharn isnt so tough.

[@mrcheese9008]

Finally I've wanted to see a video about this battle for years

[@spartanpiplup6229]

I have waited a long time for this video, excellent job.

[@johnd.rockefeller4041]

Shark daddy

[@stoneraptor4541]

Shark daddy

[@khklkhcvtvreff]

@@stoneraptor4541 Shark daddy

[@cdickenson82]

Tyberos is as big as a Primarch standing at twelve feet tall without armor according to badab war lore. We find this out when Cullen goes to investigate the Carcharadons over their offer of assistance and their claim of being summoned by Terra. I'm actually of the belief that Tyberos is one of the two missing Primarchs. Like the guy has been out there for an unknown amount of time but at least a Millenia with half his face stripped to the bone and yet he is still ticking. That's sounds like a Primarch esc achievement imo.

[@antoniogilromero1981]

The Tyranids: we´ve finally won, this planet is ours! Tyberos: they took the bait boys, we´re having shrimp tonight!

[@kingremus7544]

Nice and fluid outro! You've become really good with your gesticulation too! See ya

[@jasonn6306]

Never saw the point of attaching chainsaws underneath the power fists.

[@TheBanditoLad]

Rule of cool.

[@connorparfrey9191]

The most dangerous grappling or hand shake ever

[@nicholascole9673]

I like the idea that moloc is a custodes that the highlords had made for them, as in the same or a similar process was used.

[@SpaghettiToaster]

Not possible, all custodes were exclusively created by the emperor himself.

[@nicholascole9673]

@@SpaghettiToaster as far as I can tell you are wrong, got a source?

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@nicholascole9673 He's half right only custodes probably know how to make custodes besides anyone with the knowledge to make custodes would be murdered if they gave one to the highlords

[@marchereve3280]

Not possible, the bioalchemie to make custodes must be so closely watch ans protected than even the lords or terra wouldn't dare to try and poke it out

[@SystemAbominant]

I’ve been waiting for this vid for a long time

[@bigirishpapa25]

Still diggin the vids brother! Keep up the good work

[@jo_ken]

These kind of videos just make me wish GW would make some models for these awesome characters with some data sheets to go with them.

[@robberyproductions1363]

iirc Tyberos does have rules, not sure about Asterion tho

[@nickellison2785]

They both have forgeworld rules, tyberos has an official model as well as Shark daddy, idk if moloc has one as well but honestly I think tyberos needs a rules update

[@wjt2142]

Moloc has a forgeworld model and rules

[@benjaminbeaudry8642]

Here’s an alternative theory, the reason they are both so big and so powerful with questionable origins is because they are the 2 missing primearchs. Then that would also be why their legions are so unique. Unfortunately gw would never confirm that because the missing 2 primearchs are a great point of theory for the community

[@Jeeps-ye5ct]

It’s confirmed that at least one was killed and wiped from history, thats why sanguinius was terrified of anyone finding out about the thirst

[@insectslayer1374]

Or maybe they are Alpharius

[@marchereve3280]

I thought it us more possible of the Space sharks, minotaur are just inquisitorial lapdog

[@jamescarter8693]

Is it just me they're just one of my personalities never noticed this wonderful soft background music playing in this wonderfully beautiful obscene man's video is it in all the videos sounds Something Fishy in the background to me

[@AIartificalIntellige]

0:39 custodes would like to know your location.

[@RockaGrand]

If Maloc was a Custodian then the theory of learning from passed lives can’t be true? How many custodian Chapter masters are they gonna have? One has to die in order for the other to gain the knowledge. Unless you’re saying that the current chapter master is a custodian and he learned from the past ones.

[@sajadhoxhaj6603]

The past lives theory refers to normal space marines and is a separate theory while the custodian theory is another one in itself

[@brandonnelson6018]

Love the vs. If you’re looking for video ideas more of them would be tight.

[@ladislaualbert2807]

Great video. Mixing Night Lord and Raven Guard gene seed- what an awesome idea to create insanely violent, quick and stealthy astartes!!!

[@kargobob]

Please give Tyberos the Primaris geneseed! I want to see, what will be born!

[@Drakenfoul]

*41k's version of the Doomguy*

[@yanakaizzz9335]

I've got a theory regarding Moloc: If ya Boi really is Custodes, and those guys are exceptionally hard to kill. Then even with absurdly low successful induction rates eventually their numbers would swell to silly levels. What if veteran Custodes who've proven themselves beyond the measure of the rest are awarded their own chapter. That they can meet direct threats to the Throne further from home. (?) It would also explain why Moloc fights from the front. Dude realises that he needs to carry his weight!

[@silversurfer8818]

Most primarchs are just short of 3 meters tall, or 9.84ft - so Tyberos would be taller than a primarch, which i believe would be impossible, unless he is a primarch himself or a clone of one.

[@bloodangel19]

Wasn't the Lion short of 3 meters OUTSIDE power armor? Plus there is oficial art that shows Guilliman and Sanguinius to be 2 times taller than a regular man, so they have to be at least 10-12 feet

[@Mr.Monacle]

From what I’ve gathered there is little consistency, aside from a general height order with the Gorgon being the biggest followed by Vulkan followed by Mortarian and so on and so forth until you get to Alpharius who is the most consistently stated to be about 9 feet tall. The height of Magnus also varies from the tallest to very middle of the pack. That said, most sources say they are more than twice height of a man. Not sure where you’re getting the whole 3 meters thing from honestly.

[@silversurfer8818]

@@Mr.Monacle In descent of angels, the Lion was stated to be just short of 3 meters. While in the unremembered empire, guilliman noticed he was slightly shorter than the Lion. In the same book, Konrad was mentioned to be taller than both. There were never any exact numbers, but the Lion is probably 296-298cm. Guilliman a few cm short than that, while Konrad being at 3m sharp or slightly taller.

[@chexrex176]

Yeah just because of the videos I’ve seen of tyberos (all your videos) I just had to buy him immediately when I saw you mention I could buy one in this video. I love the character, lore, and design.

[@KappaKiller108]

I mostly agree with this, except for one point. And that's IF Tyberos's weapons are truly siege gauntlets made for a Primarch then there is no way any normal non-relic weapon should be able to block them without being torn in half. Or any armour for that matter, even custodian armour.

[@robdenini6972]

Moloc would beat Tyberos and make him fall down. He would then carelessly walk besides Tyberos' body, who would grab his leg, yank him to the ground, then climb up on top of him and smash his head in. Moloch would die instantly but Tyberos would not survive the spear wounds. The Squat noble Moloc was trying to protect would be able to flee to safety.

[@oreo-postraphe]

Lmao, Tyberos wins every single time

[@Patrioticpawn]

Underrated comment

[@the3rdperson2]

The classic monologue death... But what about when the apothecary brings tyberos back to life?

[@vontheunknown7982]

Tyberos would be trouble to beat.

[@scooterman2.040]

On the subject of Moloc, I remember seeing some theory on Reddit about him being Omegon, he’s probably not but it was cool to think about

[@mrlongli1803]

Yeas lets fu**ing GOO! The bigger the better. Love the Astartes vs videos should do Shark daddy vs

[@lattekahvi1298]

I think that this is quite a fair conclusion as no matter how fast an astartes is laser is always faster as its going speed of light and if the laser can blow up tanks the armor wont really give much protection against it

[@SpaghettiToaster]

You can, however, avoid the laster by just not being in front of the spear.

[@tylermonday3558]

I see space spartan Daddy, I click.

[@paladinebahamut]

Always nice to see disarmonia's art

[@boxsmasher200000]

Maybe its Maybelline 🤣 Great Aussie reference there fellow Aussie.

[@raymondpelletier5112]

You should do a video on Huron Blackheart, I'd love to hear your take on him

[@noahhaller4540]

Moloc was given the advantages of what we know, theories, and opposing theories. We don't know if he is a custodian, we don't know if he gets data uploaded, we don't know the capabilities of his weapon etc. However him being a custodian cannot coexist with the data upload theory. Yet he was given everything that was possible, even if they are not possible at the same time. Basically I am saying what we know for certain about Moloc loses to Tyberos. If Moloc was a custodian he probably loses to Tyberos. If Moloc is data uploaded he loses to Tyberos. If Moloc is a custodian/data upload with a custodian tankbuster spear, then maybe he wins. He needs both theories before he has a chance.

[@lordlucius1341]

Guilliman: you are the biggest damn marine I’ve seen, do you want to be made into a primaris? Tyberos: will it let me to kill more? Guilliman: significantly more. Tyberos: yeeee *grows even bigger*

[@MichaelBrown-rg8oi]

You should do a vs. series and do a poll on which ones the fans want the most.

[@JoeyFangaz]

Asterion, he’s scary af

[@gobihoukou1]

Before watching, I am going to say I am in the corner of Reaper lord of the void. Dude is soloing the tyranid equivalent of boarding torpedo... Dont think Moloc can do that, even if he is custodes. Now lets see what Majorkill thinks...

[@whosyourmate8292]

Cue fighting in the comments! That's one way to feed the algorithm 🤣 Great video, as always 👍

[@re1v3r]

Your jokes were on point this episode. 👍

[@randombencounter263]

This seems like one of those fights where the winner is decided by the initiative roll. Personally I'd pick Moloc though. Tyberos can only use the weapons built into his armour, but if all else fails Asterion can always drop a melta bomb and book it.

[@Azaghal1988]

Out of interest, whats your source for Tyberos armor being modified with dreadnought armor? I looked for actual sources and everywhere I looked it only said that he wears a heavily modified tactical dreadnought armor, wich is just a fancy word for Terminator Armor. cheers.

[@marshalkaris4982]

I believe the modified bit should clue you in, regardless of whether or not Tyberos uses Dreadnought armor, the fact he requires his own specialized terminator to fit his size is a feat in of itself

[@Azaghal1988]

Modified can mean pretty much anything from a few additional plates to there's not much of the original armor left. That's why i'm asking. There's unfortunately a tendency in the 40k fandom to present widely circulated fan-theories and speculations as facts, even if there's nothing official to confirm them, and if I can't confirm something for myself I just like to ask about sources.

[@memesterjohnson1402]

@@Azaghal1988 you can see in the offical art that this is not the case. its modified with somthing to fit him and you know what is bigger than a terminator? dreadnought armor.

[@bg9994]

He's said to be a head taller in the novel. Not sure why it's now taken as fact he's in Dreadnought Armour or implied he is like thirty foot tall.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@bg9994 well if were gonna give moloc the many ifs like maybe being basically immortal or a custodes then I'd say we give tuberculosis over here some slack

[@leonstrydom1]

MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS! I want to hear about a notable loyalist go up against someone/something like Kharn

[@nilemorsell9982]

Good vid!

[@cegorach3135]

I don’t know...i’d say tyberos because we haven’t seen much of him in the lore yet so we don’t know what crazy shit he’s capable of...

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

It was far too late for retreat. He knew that, even as a scout marine, and so did the rest of his brothers. He had barely recived the Black Carapace when they attacked. Misunderstanding, whispered some. Treason, snarled others. But he understood far too well what word they were trying to avoid: HERESY. The same reason their race fell. The same reason they fight every day. The same reason they DIE everyday. He stood in one of the external decks of the Nicor, far from the main bridge. With him 6 others scouts, differentiated from the true void brothers by their lack of power armour and their smaller stature. 10 of the mighty Astartes accompanied them, one of them being a member of the Red Bretheren, Ath-ket. He was easy to spot: clad in Tactical Dreadnought Armour of an ancient and modified pattern, he remained silent. Gigantic and deadly, he stood a head taller than the rest and instead of the more usual chainaxes or chainswords he wielded a pair of lighting claws, the blades sparkling with electricity. None of them spoke, for no word would have been useful to describe their seething anger. The Minotaurs, lap dogs of the High Lords were attacking the fleet. In no shape they could understand the reason for these lowly actions, but the Carcharodon Astra always answered. ALWAYS. All of the sudden there was a mighty detonation just outside the halls, followed by many sets of heavy steps. 'It seems they have arrived' crackled the voxcast of the Terminator, hatred visible in his very posture. The marines gave eachother a glance, and started preparing for their guests. The scouts moved to the back, covered by their more heavily armored brothers, and aimed their weapons to the entrance. The Terminator placed himself on the front, claws ready and hungry, while the rest made a perimeter behind him, ready to strike at any signal. As soon as the heavy doors were blasted open, they fired. It was a massacre. The group killed, they maimed and they killed again, and yet were swiftly put down, first of them all Ath-ket. They knew he was there, so they targeted him with 3 lascannons. He brought 4 of them with him in the Void. There was no glory in this battle, if you could even call it as such. One by one they fell, a lucky shot taking out a scout, a power sword dismembering a void brother,a piece of shrapnel slicing off one of the scout legs. And there the smaller brother saw him, HIM of all these treacerous bastards: Asterion Moloc, the Brazen Warlord and Master of the Minotaurs. He was massive, adorned in his Artificier Tartaros Terminator armour he stood taller than many of the Red Bretheren, the hood section of the armour rising more than 3 meters in the air.The young scout only heard legends about him, whispers of death and slaughter that resounded where ever he went. The iconography on the plate was ancient in meaning and style, depicting brutal combat rituals more adept to the World Eaters than to the Minotaurs. In his right hand a spear, incredibly similar to those of the fabled Adeptus Custodes but with a dark blade that promised death. A large lascannon was on top of it in the place of the usual bolter, the barrel scorching hot from the recent fire. In his left hand a shield, almost as tall as him and finely decorated with their chapter symbol, an additional power field generator providing extra protection. He overlooked the area with an almost bored gaze and after a second moved forward, crushing a Carcharodon skull under his armoured boot. The scout knew he would have died, he understood as soon as he saw the Bringer of Wrath. The magazines were empty, his combat knife was shattered and he could not reach none of his brothers weapons. He prepared himself to meet the Ancestors and closed his eyes, praying for his chapter survival in silence. Then... HE came. In a flash of light he recognised as a teleporter appeared out of thin air a figure. As soon as it materilized every instinct within him screamed to run, rUN, RUN, *RUN AWAY YOU FOOL* . The massive being took a step forward and while the strides of Moloc cracked the ground, they were exaggerated, made on purpose, with swagger. The newcomer split the rockcrete and adamatium with every restrained step he took, splinters and dust rising at every movement of his legs. He was truly gigantic, more akin to a Primarch in size. The TDA he wore was visibly thicker than the one of His Red Bretheren. Additional Adamantium rods supported incredibly heavy plating, more similar to those on a Dreadnought chassis than those of a Terminator. If Asterion stood 3 meters tall then Tyberos the Red Wake, Shade Lord and Master of the Carcharodon rose at almost 4, dwarfing everything and everyone in the room. The great maws of their insignia, the Shark, were displayed on the hood of his armour, along with many markings and tribal symbols earned during his millennia long life. Hunger and Slake were already awake, the twin gigantic siege claws with underbite chainblades roaring in anger and bloodlust, each of them larger than a space marine torso and the massive blades longer than their arms. He looked briefly at the young scout, his lenses as black as the Void, before directing his silent gaze on the Brazen Warlord. Moloc didn't wait 'I assume you are the Chapter Master, correct?'. Only silence answered him. 'Very well. The High Lords demand that yo-'. ' *Death* '. The voice of the Lord Reaper of the Void cut off the Satrap of the Daedelos Krata. It was deep, barely above a whisper and yet as powerful as an explosion. The young scout heart was gripped by a primal fear, technically impossibile for him, and yet present. Asterion took a step back, and so did many of the Minotaurs Astartes. The Red Wake was pointing at one of the younger Carcharodons. He moved the massive finger to the torn form of Ath-ket, coverd in the enemy and his own blood, the anger becoming palpable from him. ' *Death* '. He finally aimed his fist to Asterion, spear in hand and ready to charge, the blade shining with energy while his gaze remained locked on the monster before him. Hunger and Slake both shrieked in rage. ' *DEATH* '

[@charliehaddon4550]

Jesus I could repost this as my college essay

[@nickbaspaly6239]

Good topic!!

[@osiris_the_great6861]

What i’ve been waiting for😈😈