Why Tyler The Creator Thinks New Rap Is Bad

Tyler, The Creator recently did an interview with Mav Carter where he spoke on the state of hip-hop currently.
Along with touching on past criticisms he had of Eminem and his album 'Recovery' - Tyler also shares criticisms of the current generation of hip-hop, and how everyone sounds the same today. Many people thought he was subliminally referencing Yeat and Ian, as they are "cosplaying" as Future, Young Thug, Playboi Carti, Gucci Mane, and more.
With the recent rap battle between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, and with Kendrick's diss songs reaching #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, it begs the question - is hip-hop in a bad place currently?
There's a lot of factors at play, and in this video we'll touch on everything Tyler mentioned and whether or not rap is currently in a bad state.

[@Ozdestro]

Even though Tyler didn’t say it, he’d have every right to. Like 95% of modern rap (especially this year) falls short to most of his discography. It’s because Tyler is passionate about his craft and most rappers nowadays only do it for the status, money and clout.

[@xaropezzz]

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[@Ozdestro]

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[@RomaroBrandon]

"Maybe on the weekend he's cosplaying as The Weeknd".😂😂😂

[@allixterkadaj]

A Tyler/Weeknd collab would be sooo tough

[@KhaleelRay]

@@allixterkadajthey have 1

[@senku1396]

BROOO STOP SAYING THIS HE DIDNT SAY THIS SHIT BRUH WATCH THE FULL INTERVIEW

[@Howyanow]

Bro literally said people would talk him out of context and it would be bigger than everything else he said

[@spirited-away]

Only middle school kids listen to Ian don’t get it twisted, he’ll be an afterthought sooner then mfs think

[@D_C_H_A]

Hip hop will never die, nor does anyone actually say that seriously. Not anyone reasonable anyways. The issue is the lack of gatekeeping in rap and hip hop, gatekeeping isn’t inherently bad. Like with anything it’s only bad when overdone or with ulterior motives outside of maintaining the soul of the genre.

[@meandxui.6239]

Drake and Wizkid did not equate to Dance hall 🥴!!! Drake went to Papcaan (a Dancehall artist) on the Controlla remix for that !!!! Afrobeats and Dancehall is not one and the same.

[@juicyhamburger5999]

fr!!! i hate that these guys speak on shi they dont kno

[@mmg1903]

Thanks for that comment it’s funny how some people just don’t know nothing outside of hip hop 😅

[@bonkknob3240]

idk why people assume ice spice, he had her at his festival where he chooses the lineup!

[@Katzvisions]

A streetcred hungry chameleon. 😂😂😂

[@shandobombs]

Or Drake jus loves diff music and culture. Also Drake def got an identity u know a drake type flow when u hear it.

[@sly9821]

he did not said that. And he was alluding to ONE specific person without saying his name, not every new rappers 😑

[@FitzChivalry_Chade]

It’s so funny watching this over and over. The 18-22 yo become the 30-35 yo and raps no longer in good hands, and they become the same old heads that hated on them originally, when they said it was unfair. It so funny to see happen time and time again.

[@akeembrown7661]

Fax. Even tho I’m still young I know this a “history repeats itself” moment. Seems like ppl forget every era had their trash too 🤷‍♂️ ppl js a lil too stuck in they ways thinking their music was the ish but everything before it or after it can’t compete 😂 it’s narcissistic when u think abt it

[@Rieky22]

Because let’s be honest here there’s no originality Talentless rappers having success Why you think every time for the past few years new rappers came and fell off just as fast? The actual talent are either dead ,jail or not known.

[@allixterkadaj]

I think you guys are missing the bigger point.....It's not about being mad at young rappers. It's about the "Amazon-ification" of Hip-Hop as a business leading to the "Amazon-ification" of Hip-Hop as a genre. The way that hip hop is being algorithmically shaped by the rapid shift in our attention economy makes it harder for artists outside of the algorithm's preferred sound/genre-structure, as well as the music industry itself, to actually make money out of their art. The argument would be the same if the lyrical/conscious niggas was what the mainstream algorithm wanted, either way, none of us want hip hop to lose its ability to have variety because soon not enough artists will be able to live off their art in order to PROVIDE us with that music in the future. It puts a crazy barrier around what artists and sounds we will actually even be ABLE to discover on our own, and it actively MAKES YOU POORER AS A CREATOR, WHICH ALREADY PAYS LIKE PISS, so you can't make a living of making your genuine art. You just become a guy on an assembly line who, at minimum, gets to pick what color to paint the toy when it comes off the conveyor belt. Much love; fuck Amazon. ❤

[@west.undercover]

this was such a good and well thought video. you have done your homework very well

[@mindyourbusiness1934]

people need to stop flocking to playlists and genuinely seek out music they love

[@thisistodd190]

he said the things we all been thinking

[@hectorc5990]

It’s getting ridiculous. If drake wasn’t talented, he wouldn’t be able to do what he does. Other artists would make other types of music if they could, they can’t. Folks hating on drake for things that are normal in music. Styles change. People try new things.

[@somniumlucidus969]

Why doesnt anyone ever talk about how much 2chains did to make the hyper commercialized charicature of rap popular. 2chains dominated for a good 3-5 years. And during that time he did vice shows, beofre tyler* started dressing crazier than lil pumo ever did. I mean he basically became what we thought trinidad james was gonna be if he didnt flop

[@rapaholicz]

He was another son of Wayne before Young Thug. Outlandish wordplay, out-of-the-ordinary fashion style, cartoony voices and deliveries. He doesn't necessarily fit the context of what I'm (or Tyler is) addressing in this video though

[@somniumlucidus969]

@@rapaholicz idk, the other thing about 2chains is that he was actually around for a long ass time before duffel bag boys hit. He was steeped in the culture and still flipped it, but ok.

[@aegisgunna9998]

Wizkid is not Dancehall. Dancehall is Jamaican music not African/Afro Beats

[@ManicOnTheBeat]

Been bad since 2016 freshman XL

[@leg8723]

Valedictorian is better than anything tyler has put out

[@freebantu6019]

Wiz Kid = Afro Beats.

[@stellviahohenheim]

Nobody cares

[@mellemellbc]

Rappers on reality tv is crazy. Tyler is a thousand percent correct. I could care less about their movements. Drake is the perfect example of all of it gone horribly wrong. If you gotta be out there like that then at least make it content of SOME substance.

[@NewSky-f6e]

There's truth in what you're saying but say it with your chest. What you really wanna say is "Black people do it too!" Not one mention of Lil Dicky or Vanilla Ice (i would say Slim Jesus and The Island boys but they didn't really do anything major)

[@justentime4U]

I like your point i think we are screwed either way because it’s at a point now where it’s fast food you know.. no substance either at least 70% of the music market is saturated w toxic lyrics w solid to good beat production.

[@NewSky-f6e]

@justentime4U If you said "black rappers do it too" I'd probably agree w you a little bit, so leaving out Post Malone, Lil Xan is crazy. I would still disagree after that to some degree, cos Ian doesn't need to use music to make money, Young Thug is from the streets and music is a way out, probably why Tyler didn't mention him.

[@josslynlittles2016]

14:19 Maybe im the problem because im definitely am listening to more albums on list one than list 2

[@asavelakuse6865]

Talent and Motion. Motion these days has more appeal than talent if talent is oversaturated then motion will take over

[@BenthovenMusic95]

3:53 you cooked him

[@Thefatcat-df6kt]

There’s some good rappers that are coming up central cee bigxtheplug nemzz Aron may there’s just less of them also rap goes through dips and highs this is probably just a dip

[@LLJWChris93]

why is half of this slandering drake for no reason

[@Mustafais69]

Bcuz he is doing it

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

It’s not dead it’s evolving soon the meme rap will die out oook at ice spice she’s falling off

[@authentictalkpodcast]

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[@dwaynejpeterkin]

@@authentictalkpodcast no cap hip hop is gettint better and better

[@smokymountainangoras]

Tyler is like an actor that didn’t get cast in Planet of the Apes, so he makes music videos with furry hats on.

[@Ibuprofen_real]

You obviously don’t know NOTHING about Tyler😭😭

[@YungLilBomb]

Yeah...go back to your bunnies