What is happening with Flutter

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In this video, we're going to discuss what is happening with Flutter and its downfall. We'll cover the pros and cons of Flutter and give you our opinion on whether it's good or bad.
So what is Flutter, and is it good or bad? We'll discuss all of that in this video and give you a good overview of the situation. If you're interested in learning more about Flutter, then make sure to watch it!

[@mahirabbas3700]

thanks nerd

[@shlokbhakta2893]

Gottem 😂, bro never expected it

[@THEMithrandir09]

The problem that dev has, is that they're a flutter developer. If you say you're an "insert framework here"-developer, you just show the world that you're unable to extract the useful patterns you learned working with a framework and transfer and apply these skills somewhere else. After 3 years of programming, switching to a different language shouldn't be a hurdle, much less the framework. I know for a frontend-dev switching away from flutter means learning typescript, kotlin or swift as well as the relevant frameworks, but if they branded themselves as a software engineer that excels at flutter but also was able to solve these specific problems (e.g. working with relational and object databases, setting up APIs, implementing p2p chat, or whatever else) using interesting technologies, they'd get a job for sure.

[@FilledStacks]

Well said

[@black-purple-dev]

I believe that every developer no matter his field should have a moderate understanding of how the web technologies works, basics of networking protocols (http, websockets...) different API types (REST, SOAP, GraphQL...) how to deploy a simple web app to vercel or host a simple nodejs API on Heroku or AWS depoending on your preferences and budget. Fiddle a bit with BaaSs like Firebase and Supebase even AWS amplify. Because if you don't give yourself the change to discover new horizons or you'll be literally deprecated if the world wakes up one day and decides that the framework you're proficient in is gonna be thrown to garbage because of some big company from FAANG creating a new stable and superior technology of course companies take time to switch especially big ones but since you weren't trying other things in your free time you ended up lost in stress and pressure that you might lose your job in the upcoming months/years.

[@adxxtya]

I guess the poster meant that there are no opportunities left for the specific technology that they "invested into professionally" in their country, even I would be pissed if I am investing into something for years and then it won't return me anything, it would feel like I wasted my time and money for something that yields me no results, although I do get that learning one framework and branding yourself with that is bad to showcase your overall skills, but dude I invested so much of my money and time into it, I do wanna get called by this "technology developer", example I am a Senior React Developer. Still the poster meant that there are no Flutter openings in their country (Canada) as no one seems to be using it, so you should understand people better beforehand

[@kazerdira4704]

I learn flutter for a long term may be more than two years problem is :flutter is so lovable but let s be honest it is something you add to your skills not a skill to find a work with it , like sql , sql is important but you should be good in js or whatever , and add i am also good in sql , I m good with apis , bloc and getx , flutter is the most overrated thing here , i still learn and enjoy to discover dart and flutter , i am just lucky coding is not my main work in life , but honestly flutter ? In few days here i was talking to some little company he said (it is buttons and jumping between screens) (frontend for some ppl) true or false it is the way they see frontend , so be good in laravel or django or nodejs then have a little idea about flutter that s what companies asks for , i stopped flutter 😢 and with my first 40 days of flask i start to getting emails for work , other thing... did you notice how much there is flutter youtube channels i mean seriously !!! ? Those all are people who learned flutter and they cant work with it yes i know some have channels and they work in flutter , it is very sad but true ,

[@FilledStacks]

@@kazerdira4704 This is not to brag but I've generated $600k USD in using Flutter and if I didn't close down my agency I would have doubled that most likely. The problem is that there's a lot of companies using older technology, that can't hire for new ones. But the benefit of Flutter is that there are companies out there simply looking for apps, they don't care what it's built with, and if you can deliver high-quality work, faster than other agencies, that's easier to maintain and update you can make a lot of money, regardless of what technology you use. I turn down a lot of Flutter work and job opportunities. But that's not because I'm a Flutter expert, it's because I'm a good software engineer, and I can work in any language, in any framework and deliver outstanding results. If there was a focus on software engineering fundamentals instead of frameworks, then those developers would be in the same situation.

[@stagfoo]

I recently started flutter and its actually amazing a much nicer experience then recent react/ts projects and it compiles to a nice binary at the end including linux

[@typecraft_dev]

Right? I like flutter

[@nomejodas2978]

Flutter is smooth as butter

[@typecraft_dev]

must be a crime to have such a good rhyme@@nomejodas2978

[@lucascamelo3079]

I liked my experience building a app in flutter. Next time I'll try React out. I already installed react in my computer, but couldn't get the android SDK and emulator working on it yet.

[@stagfoo]

@lucascamelo3079 there is a command "flutter doctor" which should help you trouble shoot the sdk but yeah give react native a go also Expo is very nice

[@andrejvujic]

1:52 Flutter doesn't use the native platform renderers, that's what React Native does. Flutter uses it's own rendering engine called Skia (as of recently there's a new one called Impeller) and it paints it's own custom pixels on the screen. That's why React Native apps look and feel more native than Flutter apps. When you render a text view in React Native it truly is the system's underlying native text view (for example TextView in Android and UITextView in iOS apps). Although that comes at a cost: performance. Flutter apps are faster than RN apps. Just wanted to point this out. I love Flutter and I use it almost everyday. It's far better than RN in my opinion.

[@typecraft_dev]

thanks for the clarification. I definitely didn't articulate that as well as you

[@forktrader7870]

It uses Impaler as a rendering engine now.

[@LEONARDO-xs2ke]

Are you still living in 2016? Heard of Hermes engine? Catch up boi

[@LEONARDO-xs2ke]

Flutter is a huge failure, no company uses it. Flutter is only popular among low iq college students. React Native is used by big multinational companies. Flutter lost long ago

[@psclip3309]

New Update, Flutter uses Impeller render, which has several advantages, like access to low level GPU, fix jank issue, its looks like game engine made for flutter, it can do 3D too

[@byronk5]

Completey agree. I am primarily a web dev (mostly React). My company recently got a project to build an app for android and ios - I had never built a mobile app previously.I ended up going with Flutter and the similarities between dart/widgets and typescript/components made the transition pretty seamless. Building in Flutter has some real advantages - one codebase for both platforms, well written docs and a thriving community. Great video

[@ifaan9373]

any tips brother 😁. I'm also a web developer and trying to get into flutter echo system.

[@mdkvaofficial]

it could have been an even easier transition to react native, why didn't you choose that? I'm curious to know... @byronk5

[@giovannibandinelli9792]

Why wouldn't you go with React Native?

[@Thr111ce]

I dont think learning can be bad. The problem is in the "i am X developer". Dude, just use whatever. Im mostly working with React/Node, doesnt mean i wont touch java, php, or whatever tool i need for the job.

[@typecraft_dev]

I agree 100%

[@robotinike]

Concordo plenamente. Atuo com Java/Kotlin com Angular, porém minha base é dornet e react. Tenho trabalhos em python, PHP....sou um dev, foquei em uma linguagem e depois fui vendo as demais. O ponto é fortalecer a base

[@32zim32]

People just want to become professionals in some field. If you will jump from lang to lang, frame to frame and so on, you will soon realize that it is almost impossible to keep all this knowledge base in your head

[@adxxtya]

I guess the poster meant that there are no opportunities left for the specific technology that they "invested into professionally" in their country, even I would be pissed if I am investing into something for years and then it won't return me anything, it would feel like I wasted my time and money for something that yields me no results, although I do get that learning one framework and branding yourself with that is bad to showcase your overall skills, but dude I invested so much of my money and time into it, I do wanna get called by this "technology developer", example I am a Senior React Developer. Still the poster meant that there are no Flutter openings in their country (Canada) as no one seems to be using it, so you should understand people better beforehand

[@adiru9252]

@@32zim32 In the realm of software engineering that is not advised since the tech is always changing. All that matters is you have fundamental programming knowledge and implement that knowledge with whatever tool. You're not supposed to code without looking docs or google in the first place, why make it harder for yourself?

[@_____case]

The new Toyota infotainment system is built with Flutter and Rust.

[@typecraft_dev]

Hell yes

[@TahDallas-b9i]

Why don’t people understand that flutter makes native apps and that is all the end user wants. They don’t care about the framework or how it works instead they care about the speed, function and what ever they see. Flutter made me rethink how apps could be made. So instead of complaining about the extra layer flutter makes on top of the native apps, you should be exploring its possibilities. React native is fine but after I used flutter for the first time, I got a different feel from what I was used to and fell instantly in love.

[@arvee-4699]

because people care about hiring, its easier to hire someone in react native ecosystem compared to flutter

[@justjoemer]

Been using flutter for the past 9 months, been loving the framework so far!! It's good to know that it's helpful for learning typescript!

[@venir_dev]

It's important to underline two things out of your hot take: 1. Dart may feel similar to Typescript, but it's actually so much better, since it doesn't suffer js's tech debt. You don't *have to* compile it to javascript (although you still *can* if you want to build your own new web framework). 2. Flutter can be used to create MVPs, but it scales _very well_, given that you know what you're doing (software engineering, architecture, etc.). In the end, it should feel similar (and easier) to maintain a react web SPA application.

[@anlumo1]

If you look at the JavaScript output of the Dart compilers (yeah, there are two), it's nowhere near the original code. It uses JavaScript much more like an assembly language to compile to. Typescript matches most syntax 1-to-1. This is why Dart isn't limited by the JavaScript legacy.

[@venir_dev]

@@anlumo1 wow, I didn't know that! Thanks!

[@GustavoZIMBA]

I only know you for a few weeks and your channel is already one of my favorites! Great video!

[@typecraft_dev]

Yay! Thank you!

[@lonelyteapot]

That's a very good take! Flutter isn't necessarily a good production framework to do full-time, but learning it can make you a better engineer, help see concepts on a higher level. It's also great for prototyping, creating MVPs and developing apps with limited resources. I enjoy working with Flutter and the Dart language far more than with other frontend frameworks. However, the core concept of Flutter - that it is not native - is a big downside for me.

[@ferdiangunawan1237]

interestingly, we migrated our native to flutter, and it's a super app. i can say flutter can be scalable app if the developer knows how it works.

[@sawcb.]

For my project I plan to take to scale to a company level where we will train people fresh out of school flutter front end to back to use it in our app. Of course we will look for experienced flutter developers for higher roles, but entry level roles we will believe in a not so difficult entry point. I'm very excited to announce a full stack flutter workspace for flutter developers. I know this is a random comment and not an official PSA, but it was on my mind when I watched this video. Thank you!!

[@abrahamdaniel1802]

Have you started your flutter workspace or scaled your company? I have a lot of experiance with flutter especially android side since i used it to work on a complex project and just wanted to ask you maybe i can apply if your still looking.

[@Mempler]

I learned react first and learned flutter later... it is insane how easy it was to transition. However, sometimes its just easier to build stuff in react, depending on what you want. I like to make tiny animations and they can be really annoying to implement outside of css keyframes.

[@typecraft_dev]

Exactly, that was my experience as well!

[@minseokjeong1881]

Best suit for Startup UI framework I think. Recently I got hired as Flutter Developer in S.Korea :D. Good luck for all Flutter Developer :D

[@zevo92]

Hmm, I just stumbled upon your channel. The flutter keyword got me, as I was probably looking for someone to tell me that my interest in Flutter is not a bad call. That aside, I like your voice, video format and the way you present what you have to say (I am sucker for a good true story). I think you my friend are going places with this channel. Best of luck to you and keep on the good work!

[@typecraft_dev]

thanks!!

[@LEONARDO-xs2ke]

Flutter is a huge failure, no company uses it. Flutter is only popular among low iq college students. React Native is used by big multinational companies. Flutter lost long ago

[@owenwexler7214]

The time this dude is spending bellyaching about how there are no Flutter jobs, he could spend that time with a React course and some smaller projects and learn React. I primarily use React/TS but I evaluated Flutter for a mobile app and learned it pretty easily then. I ended up going with Ionic React for the mobile app but I learned Flutter and could go back to it if I needed to/someone paid me 6 figs to write Dart/Flutter. Can’t just be a “React developer” or a “Flutter developer”… gotta be versatile.

[@TheTahmeed]

I am from Bangladesh. Studying in university and working as a Junior Software Engineer in a Company because of Flutter. They don’t even ask for a degree or any certificate.. Flutter is ❤

[@agoodmansaid]

I too started with flutter and now learning react. React is okay and all but going from Dart to Javascript is really a kick in the balls

[@Halesnaxlors]

A friend of mine is one of the main contributors for Flame, which is a flutter game engine. I've fiddled with it a little bit, and it seems really neat.

[@opensourcedev22]

30 years of experience tells me that - freelancer who learned flutter and dart on the job, delivered a hack job source code. Then business hires cheapest devs to unwind and clean up the "my first flutter" project, but don't want to commit to actually do it right, because funding can't allow it. Sounds like a nightmare for the salaried, junior flutter devs.

[@danielphil80]

The thumbnail in my notifications misled me to think it was a fireship video. Only to hear a different voice, but good perspectives. A bad workman blames his tools and sometimes things don't work out.

[@andythedishwasher1117]

Ok thank you for saying nice things about Flutter, but comparing it to Typescript was not one of those nice things. We do REAL static typing over here, thank you. We don't just pretend with a linter.

[@eng3d]

I left typescript for that reason, while the language looks cool but finally, it is a language on top of another language, and it sooner or later will bring trouble from both languages. Example: *this*

[@andythedishwasher1117]

@@eng3d Was there meant to be a link in your example? I just saw the word "this" in bold. That is unfortunately sort of the case with Flutter as well since all your logic happens and gets compiled with actual Dart rules, but it then gets cross-compiled into a number of different languages for different platforms, so it's hard to do much with the outputs independent of the Dart handles. However, if you set up your CI/CD loops with that restriction in mind, it can be a pretty smooth and reliable DX.

[@maskedvillainai]

I love flutter so much. I'm a react dev and after learning flutter I'm so jealous of any flutter dev

[@shidoengie9503]

My biggest gripe with flutter is styling is so damn difficult and the class structure is just bad, it actually took me more time to use flutter then to actually use react native which was a remarkably better experience coupled with ts

[@eng3d]

Styling is hard? Usually, it is a field in the constructor, and since it is code, then you can add whatever logic you want there, including variables, constants, functions, etc.

[@climentea]

If flutter swiches from Dart to Typescript there will be more jobs for sure. Why invent a new language for a framework? 😅

[@williamforsyth6667]

Compiling to native binary is an important part of Flutter, Typescript is not designed for that. I am also sure, Google wants control over the language.

[@DanielNistrean]

This just shows that you don't understand how Flutter works.

[@honzabittner1856]

Dart is way older than Flutter.

[@s1nistr433]

Vendor lock-in

[@elidolloff]

[@rezashafie6725]

Thank you for being logical in your explanations. Opinionated videos are growing and we need more logical ones. The ones which can actually solve problems

[@junetxpid2425]

Actually I really hate people in the IT field, everyone judges everything negative and always wrong, when I learned react they said react was bad and there was no hope for the future, when I learned vue the same thing happened, when I learned java it happened again, now they are attacking flutter and spreading bad news about flutter, whatever we learn is always wrong in their eyes, i am starting to hate the people and companies working behind the scenes. so what should i learn? you people always judge everything from a negative point of view. and it pisses me off.

[@ooogabooga5111]

bruh shut up, the startup company i was working for closed because we chose flutter.

[@o_glethorpe]

IT people are always bias in some way or another, you should listen to then, but try out and find the answer yourself.

[@David-iq1kd]

@@ooogabooga5111 can you explain the circumstances?

[@ooogabooga5111]

@@David-iq1kd senior developer choose flutter web for the startup company, worst decision

[@abrahamdaniel1802]

@@ooogabooga5111 Flutter is mainly built for mobile development, and yeah there will probably be a lot more things they have to iron out before it becomes good for web development, so the problem lies in taking a high risk on a new thing when there are a very established alternatives other than flutter. Flutter is very good for mobile development its easy to build UI's with, has good state management and can be powerful as well, as you can use kotlin (which i used to implement new native features on my app) and swift to implement native platform specific features and this are the things i mainly wanted for my project. But just because Flutter is good doesn't mean it will be successful. Sometimes you have to offer a product with enough upsides to negate the pain of transitioning.

[@BrettKromkamp]

It's my understanding that Flutter is actually very popular outside of the US and Europe (my particular bubble). I've recently started to implement a cross-platform (native) application with Flutter and the developer experience is second to none. Personally, I recommend to developers to, at least, give Flutter a chance. And keep in mind, you're not a "Flutter developer" or a "React developer"... you're a "developer". In the case of Flutter, it is sufficiently similar to other equivalent platforms that it really shouldn't be a problem to transition between them.

[@PaKa-kj3rj]

Woah, you're like the next Fireship dude.

[@amar-vt6wr]

One more thing about flutter compared to react native, is that it's so much easier to update to newer versions. Updating react native versions is pretty much hell because there are so many steps and you will encounter some obscure error every step of the way that will leave you scratching your head and googling helplessly. I don't know if react fixed this issue, but I had this problem myself and I barely pulled it through after failing so many times, and in the end I had no idea what I was doing or why I was doing it or how it fixes my problems. In the end my app was working on the newer version, but because of all of this, I felt really insecure about it and it felt really flimsy like it could break any moment. That's when I started hating react native and I hope never to come back to it again. Anyway, thanks for this video.

[@eng3d]

Yes because React has a big problem: dependency hell

[@a__random__person]

Flutter is legit, I’m a platform architect and android dev but I prefer flutter over android lol

[@philosophia5577]

Flutter is hats off, the most amazing piece of software I have ever encountered. Been coding in Flutter from last 3 years in my 5 years of journey.

[@LEONARDO-xs2ke]

Flutter is a huge failure, no company uses it. Flutter is only popular among low iq college students. React Native is used by big multinational companies. Flutter lost long ago

[@wildanalifr9583]

so, what do you think about flutter future?

[@philosophia5577]

@@wildanalifr9583 it's very promising. I think in upcoming time it will overtake native development. Big companies would invest in developers to write native bindings and most of the industrial usecases will be written in Flutter and Full stack dart.

[@LEONARDO-xs2ke]

@@wildanalifr9583 one day abandoned by google

[@plokko1]

Long story short coding with Flutter instead of native code (ex.Android) is WONDERFULL for the simplicity of writing UI with Widgets, especially when you learn the patterns; the main cons is that you have to rely on community based plugins for almost everything, in the beginning it was a big problem as, for example, if you needed BLE and the plugin was still buggy you needed to write it yourself (you can do it with native code) or wait for a fix but now it's much better

[@ShoppingBored]

I'm a backend developer learning flutter for a hobby. I like how I am able to write apps for both mobile desktop easily and I find the performance better than electron. I also like the Dart language being friendlier than typescript. Probably some time in the future Fuchsia OS would become available on more devices and it's a really good reason to start learning flutter now. Anyway thanks nerd.

[@kickeddroid]

Flutter is pretty fing cool and dart is very nice. Rust plus flutter plus dart 3.0 dreamstack?

[@typecraft_dev]

hell yeah!

[@mlntdtechbae]

I'm new to mobile development but I'm taking on the coding task for the startup I'm apart of. I've been leaning more & more towards Flutter, but as a newbie, I'm worried it'll be hard for me to find help when I get stuck.

[@justinsmith3981]

learn native first

[@suspoocha]

man i love dart

[@gosnooky]

Dart is great, except for the followng: 1. No-logic constructors like C#. 2. Class method/prop private access via leading underscore. I don't like when languages impose naming conventions that dictate behaviour (like capitalizing to export in Go) 3. No easy JSON to class instance (reflection) conversion. Dart has the "mirrors" package, but it's disabled for Flutter, so why build it? It's done for tree-shaking, but surely there should be a way to specify or omit classes from being tree-shaken. 4. Triple-slash for doc blocks instead of slash star star like JS/TS/Java. It just looks aggressive and ugly. That being said, I had to create an MVP prototype, and thought the DX was excellent, aside from the syntactic shortcomings. Unfortunately, even though the MVP was a success, they still wanted to go RN because of reasons. Thankfully, that job was offloaded to another team, because I dislike RN.

[@throwawaynyaa2616]

Not sure what do you mean by the first one. 2 and 4 are personal preferences. Regarding the third one - there is `json_serializable` which allows (de)serializing JSON. `dart:mirrors` is deprecated and shouldn't be used. For me, the biggest issue with Flutter is code generation which can take a lot of time in bigger projects

[@mus3equal]

Good to know thanks for the insight!

[@ukaszszczyt4912]

It's quite natural, that you liked dart and why did you find it similar to ts, since i believe it was created to replace js. It's a shame, that it's not broadly used and it's really cool taht flutter adapted it. Cheers from PL

[@VincentNeemie]

Full stack dev here, made an app in two weeks using dart and flutter for android and possibly will release it for iOS too in the future, contract was good and made me money. I don't understand why people tend to put tools down that can make you money? lol To the guy that made the original reddit post, crying you can't get a job because of x, means you got to work smarter. If you work in IT and you expect a job to land on your lap, depending where you live this might be unrealistic. Go after it, talk to locals, do freelance...We are supposed to be problem solvers.

[@amritashtripathi4111]

very well said , dart is better or not is not the question but it is a great tool and we can't just simply judge without even finishing an application from the scratch.

[@md.yeasinsheikh50]

It is kinda true for me, finding quality flutter job is hard

[@milkmand.2891]

well in my country, I see a lot of flutter job listings and very competitive salary package too.

[@daumienebi]

what country if i may ask?

[@martinparidon9056]

As a software engineer, when starting a new project and not sure about which framework to use, I just look at what successful companies do. It appears that virtually no big (good) app is written in flutter. That tells me more than any video I watched on the topic.

[@SizzlingSquiggle]

As a solo developer, flutter offers so many tools and pre-made items to let me freely develop. No, I won’t find work with it. Don’t learn it to find work. Learn it to make your passion project.

[@spinoff2011]

Love Flutter ❤❤

[@typecraft_dev]

Me too!

[@blackpurple9163]

I'm not an expert but I think that dev is complaining that he might've focused on flutter primarily (with other skills of course) but mainly he's been looking for flutter job, he wants to progress in that technology most of all, but he's not getting any chance to do so professionally (like working for others) maybe he doesn't want to get into freelancing right now

[@adnankhalil9640]

Thats wrong flutter does not use the platform to render the native ui, flutter has there own renderer engine that it starts and then this engine renders the ui widgets that are not native but are built native like.

[@estebanmurcia8451]

May not be the focus the video, but I would like to know if you could make a video on how you were able to become a consultant for most of your career?

[@typecraft_dev]

That’s a great idea and I can do that!

[@estebanmurcia8451]

@@typecraft_dev Thank u, I'm new to ur channel and am loving it.

[@shahidwani6445]

I m a C# developer i found dart is i think 90% same in syntax, i picked it very quickly and developed many apps

[@eng3d]

I have been a C# developer since the first beta version of the 2002. Dart is not only similar, but it is simple and the null management is better. For example, there are many ways in C# to do and fill properties, Dart simplified it: just fields and constructor. So for everybody to know C#, it could learn dart in a weekend.

[@joll98]

i use c# too, but do you have to learn javascript to understand dart better or can i jump directly to it ?

[@sushilgyawali7880]

true i work as a professional flutter developer and couple of week ago i learned type script, i felt no difficulties in learning. flutter/dart is awesome.

[@Zeioth]

My experience with dart was creating a hello world program some years ago. Two weeks after, Google changed the way you define the main function, and the program didn't compile anymore.

[@vladimirkraus1438]

So what?

[@dejangegic]

​@@vladimirkraus1438The fact you asked that at all proves you shouldn't be commenting on videos like this

[@juanmacias5922]

@@dejangegic The reason he asked that is because all software changes, if we expect code to stay the same forever, we might as well still be writing FORTRAN.

[@vladimirkraus1438]

@@dejangegic Could you elaborate why I shouldn't be commenting on this? Flutter and Dart are still evolving to be better and better and there is nothing wrong about that. And it is completely normal that with each new major versions in computer languages some code incompatibility may occur. For example the changes due to null-safety were very expectable. And Dart creators notified everyone long time ahead. And it is perfectly OK if compiler with new version of a language refuses to compile your old code. It would be worse if it compiled without errors or warnings but changed or broke the program behavior. If you want to be 100 percent compatible then you can, of course, stay with some old version. I have absolutely no problem with that as long as you are happy with yourself. :)

[@blipblap614]

Hi. I've been using Dart since M1. Your story didn't happen.

[@saeeduchiha5537]

Now it's X... no more birds twitting

[@typecraft_dev]

Damn that’s true

[@basdfgwe]

Meanwhile the company I work for are going all in on flutter including the web.

[@jewelsbypodcasterganesh]

Great video, thanks for making

[@typecraft_dev]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@RADIOSCATRACHASUTAN]

I did my first app with Flutter, but hated the nesting hell. Never done React native, and decided to learn it, it is so much cleaner to work with, I am affraid I am not going back to Flutter if I can.

[@CODEDSTUDIO]

Others too are looking for flutter dev, they are not getting

[@impromp02]

What if you're already a react developer and want to learn flutter? Is it worth it now, in comparison to, let's say React Native?

[@acrosstundras]

I like Dart but I don't like Flutter. It's a shame they're so coupled.

[@koolam5158]

Sir, absolutely agree.

[@TechStache]

It's totally true, now tell that to recruiters

[@a22601807]

Thanks for the great example and explaining.

[@typecraft_dev]

Glad you liked it!

[@ZAcharyIndy]

No to flutter and Dart

[@bennguyen1313]

Any thoughts on using Flutter to make Windows Desktop applications that access hardware peripherals attached? From what I've seen FFI or platform-channels must be used. For example, not sure the difference between a Flutter Plugin vs Package vs an application, but there's an article by Brett Morgan called 'Using FFI in a Flutter plugin'.. however it doesn't go into DLLs. Hardware peripherals typically use DLL/libraries to control the hardware, so how does flutter use those exported functions (that typically return pointers to structures)!

[@Steve-3P0]

Google's Flutter development team treat Dart like it's Python, with their dogmatic view on indentation and curly brace styling. Dart is a variant of C and dart_fmt is fucking evil.

[@faysoufox]

I liked this video and subscribed😊

[@typecraft_dev]

Thank you!

[@juststudying1019]

I hate react, and suffered from it, the worst library in history for me. Futter is amazing

[@fazlerabbilife]

may be you don't know about react native expo

[@mohitkumar-jv2bx]

So that means flutter render native widgets? I thought theo in his recent videos told exactly different. 😕

[@typecraft_dev]

It renders its own widgets but uses the native rendering engine of the OS to render

[@ThomazMartinez]

Theo is a morronn

[@TechBuddy_]

​@@typecraft_devno it doesn't flutter just asks the device to give a blank canvas and it paints ( renders ) all the UI by itself no os services used. Which allows flutter to make beautiful animations and visual effects with ease

[@himurakenshin9875]

​​@@typecraft_devI don't think its native. Every flutter app ships skia renderer inside the android or ios app. In android sometimes due to skia version differences there is a very small difference in rendering. iOS is a different story. Skia is not native to ios at all. Thats why flutter apps dont follow Apple design principles. Flutter apps mostly are built with material widgets.

[@adedokunemmanuel2752]

@@himurakenshin9875 no things have changed, Flutter now use Impeller. Impeller uses apple Metal renderer for ios and Vulkan for android. This way it has totally solve the shaders compilation Janks.

[@kaiparado]

Nice words to calm down my heart Thank you

[@rockstylex33]

Flutter is the best by far! First it is faster than the other tools at near native speed and blows away react native in speed tests. Dart was super easy to learn, I approached it as if it was C# and it took very little adjustment to be proficient with it. The widget design structure is versatile and powerful. I will not even use other tools now because they just feel like trash compared to Flutter. The next Flutter version is supposed have good 3D support which is great for game programming.

[@luismario2]

Amazing video! I like Dart and Flutter too, I like its syntax and the Design Style of Widgets, Dart made me love typed languages and it is really fast to build a functional app or MVP, totally agree with you 😄 In the company I'm working on, I decided to use Flutter for a mobile app, and I deliver things so fast and it is comfortable to develop

[@chhatrapatikumar]

Yeah, FLUTTER is really great to create MVP apps, really fast ! On the other side native Android jetpack compose lacks community, hot reload, it's complex, time consuming etc...

[@user-vs9ey3bd4t]

i hate the part of lacks comunity seriously hard@@chhatrapatikumar

[@user-vs9ey3bd4t]

its like, its people even using native android?@@chhatrapatikumar

[@kasvith]

Well there are lot of flutter jobs

[@user-ml1bl4gv6j]

idk about that had a lot of issues working with flutter mixing between widgets and error handlings , i switched to react-native and found it better , maybe cause i m familliar with react or next js with typescript but still POV after all

[@user-wg3rr9jh9h]

Flutter is great technology but industry never picked it up. Compose multi platform can get you a job.

[@typecraft_dev]

Well said

[@VforVanish]

typecraft do you have a nvim config for flutter?

[@codewithaus]

I wonder why you didnt check Swift first since it was an iOS app?

[@Mark-rx7xy]

Yeah I agree only issue I have faced is flutter web loading times. With a little stub code you can maintain just 1 code base which is amazing except those load times...

[@isaac80745]

Nah flutter definitely way ahead react native. React native/react takes different directions every year or so with new frameworks

[@pcnerd5994]

Flutter is good or not it's depending on where you live. In Cambodia if you are Junior mobile application developer and you use framework beside flutter, good luck finding one.

[@wildanalifr9583]

I'm Indonesian, so in Cambodia, is flutter the main topic for junior mobile dev?

[@pcnerd5994]

@@wildanalifr9583 flutter is still new so their are no senior developer.

[@escoladetecnologia]

Thanks ❤

[@dontdoit6986]

As an aws cloud engineer, my preferred stack for MVP’s is Flutter/Python/DynamoDB. End of story.

[@gaepopodong]

I like flutter a lot. But web with flutter is not good. slow responsive, lag and emoji issue 😢

[@sarakamnani6328]

this is what has been bugging me for the past one month. i got a flutter internship and I'm wondering if i should fully go ahead with it and turn it into my career or look for another job. I'm from india so there flutter jobs here but also have take long term growth and salary into consideration.

[@imheretosleep]

If you enjoy learning brother, why not take the opportunity and open yourself to other fields as well. Basically, do flutter work here and there at the same time learn other frameworks from other platforms as well.

[@silver10188]

Clicked back when heard web dev consultant. Of course web devs will like things like Flutter and React native, why would they learn native development?

[@ThomazMartinez]

I'm React for 8 dev, and i think Flutter is great, i'm ok learning both RN and Flutter dont care they both have benefits

[@disgruntleddev]

Most sound assessment on the internet right now

[@everestshadow]

I think you miss the point of said reddit post at least from the pov of OP. For some people programming is just a job and what they care most is how many job opportunity they can get out of it. The matter of the fact is at least in some region of the world learning flutter is just a joke if you want a job out of it. It's cool to learn it as a hobby though.

[@adamfatyga7977]

How about Futter - Kotlin/Jetpack?

[@janvipithadiya]

Why this whole world has probs with flutter 😢

[@twanasoftwareengineer1754]

I’m kinda scared that AI replaces flutter, what’s your idea mr.typecraft??

[@Lzadhito]

Flutter might be good solution for newcomer and fresh start projects, but for me the argument of the OP still stands especially for full time seeker since the job market not so Flutter friendly these days. Don't get me wrong I always love flutter than React Native on most cases except this one

[@conceptcoder]

Thanks

[@HeavenlyBoltX]

Great video

[@typecraft_dev]

Thanks!

[@seriouslyiknowhowtoread]

This dev sucks who is complaning, he cant sell himself. Flutter devs need to go in iOS apps and basically sell flutter will save $

[@eng3d]

I agree: "one tricky pony" developers won't work anymore.

[@user-qp4xp3sr8o]

I love Flutter 🤍

[@Luke1000]

The concept of flutter is okay, the opinionated UI language is nice. BLOC as state management sucks. I much prefer RN functional components over Flutter classes.

[@BitNbit]

confermo la tua video esperienza

[@jishnuviswanath]

Flutter does not render native widgets...

[@frankphpdevelopment4003]

I can't find a job after I learned paint, no one is hiring =(