I tried a new browser. I think I LOVE IT

[@RazoBeckett.]

i am in video! i am famous !!

[@typecraft_dev]

You did it!!

[@rtheben]

kudos!!❤

[@omgboy4939]

​@@typecraft_devtry tridactyl extension

[@cabbage2329]

congration 🎉

[@okanakyuz]

and you are on the top of the comments

[@Topyy]

One of zen's killer features is the compact mode imo. It hides the sidebar by default and displays it on hover. You can also enable this for the top bar too, really cool on smaller screens or when giving presentations

[@ratio6677]

also you can set a custom shortcut to hide/unhide the sidebar, meaning you dont even need to drag your mouse to the side

[@shahriaar0]

@Topyy exactly. I love the clean look and the maximum utilization of screen real estate, plus the shortcuts are so easy to configure.

[@zoro_065]

Its also present in brave

[@ratio6677]

@@zoro_065 afaik you cannot hide the sidebar, and you dont have a compact mode

[@zoro_065]

@@ratio6677 bro it can be hidden, and shows up on hover bcs i use it (vertical tabs), and as per compact mode it will get sooner or later as its chromium based, and chrome has started testing it

[@Baulers]

I was worried he wouldn’t say “arch btw” but then he said it and balance was restored.

[@st.armanini9521]

My top priority in a browser is Vim-like keybindings. Heck, my top priority in any application is Vim-like keybindings...

[@syahfiqalarby6175]

Whats that?

[@RaishmiYoru]

Same bro

[@asg8813]

So what do you use vimium?

[@RunningRay9]

i used to use qutebrowser for a while because of that vim-like keybinding. After a while, it's clear that the browser lacks a lot of feature. Now, i think i'm good with just using Vimium extension.

[@RaishmiYoru]

@@asg8813 yessir

[@ottergauze]

Me and you must've literally been on the same wavelength. I've been trying it for a few days and I honestly really like it.

[@gewdvibes]

There’s a catppuccin theme for it so it’s already the goat

[@typecraft_dev]

agreed

[@ManjaroBlack]

Oh my. I need to Zen if anything just for split tabs

[@silmelumenn]

You might also look up Vivaldi, had same feature for some years now.

[@rugisis1]

this dude just likes everything that starts with Z

[@josef6126]

I love the ui and the fact that is based on firefox, but kinda feels like a firefox vivaldi to me...

[@Kokurorokuko]

What's wrong with that? That's Vivaldi but better.

[@AndKii]

And Arc, anyway, so what? Vivaldi and Arc are good browsers.

[@zSion]

firefox vivaldi is called floorp

[@josef6126]

@@zSion nah, it feels like a slightly better firefox

[@Pandacier]

it literally just feels like arc but better in every aspect

[@typecraft_dev]

thats what I was getting too!

[@UntilDot]

The only thing I’m missing is the AI features 😕 Hope they add the ability to use at least local models at some point

[@Sub0x-x40]

@@UntilDot just added perplexity in the sidebar, ai solved

[@kyledavis8054]

In my experience it's been the opposite. Just arc but way less polished, and riddled with bugs.

[@Lazymanzoid]

@@kyledavis8054 It's in alpha

[@MetrolMC]

Tried it out via Flatpak on my Kubuntu machine. It does feel faster and lighter than FF. There are a lot of nice directions these folks are going with the UI. It's still pre-beta quality in a lot of ways though. Splitting the view kind of works. Mostly, it feels like a proof of concept. Can't resize them, or really even decide which tabs might go into which split. Controls aren't quite where you might expect them to be. Like the tab listing that's not near where the tabs are. That aside, I certainly hope they get some of these details worked out. Looks like the start of something that could be a serious contender.

[@jomascarbProc]

I'm loving Zen but there's one thing I'm missing, the workspaces should be isolated from one another. I know I can use containers for this purpose, and I do, but it sucks having to chose which container to open for every new tab

[@rigbone1337]

You can configure websites to open in a specific container by default. This setting resets with a new browser installation, but once configured, it will automatically open that way. I’ve set it up this way for my work and personal accounts to keep them separate. For example, anything I open related to Microsoft admin panels defaults to my work profile, while sites like KZbin open in my personal profile container. Additionally, you can enable Firefox Sync to carry this configuration over to any new browser installations. On the first load of a page, it will give you the option to always open it in that container or just for that one time.

[@이정빈-o2d]

Profile

[@ベロラ]

i have been using it for about a week, it is cool but it's really not that crazy, it's practically just a beautified firefox with sidebery, with some sprinkles on top like split and grid view and whatnot...

[@zaskaf2]

yeah, just use Edge actually.

[@renaldyhaen]

From the features, this looks like Vivaldi. I'm glad more browsers now have side panel because it is really useful and fun. I will try it.

[@DigitalisRex]

the only reason I want this is the spilt/grid screen. alas, none of the keyboard shortcuts work on my macos. none. i'll just have to put Zen back on the shelf and try again in 6 months

[@zaskaf2]

why don't you try ARC/Edge browser then? it a very similiar browser

[@mohamedboutarbouch8074]

That google chrome ad though 7:21. Convenient!

[@typecraft_dev]

lol

[@jefferyosei101]

I love it too!, IMO it's as arc browser to new chrome comparison ❤.

[@tomdringer985]

Will take a lot to replace Arc, but already the vertical tabs is a good start. Zen and Zed are the future 😀

[@zaskaf2]

have you tried EDGE browser? mit has vertical tabs too.

[@CommissarChaotic]

​@@zaskaf2 If Microsoft didn't put all that bloat and kept messing with my settings and resetting it to their defaults at times, I probably wouldn't have left! Edge has most of the functionality I need in a browser. Right now my current browser is Mercury which is essentially Thorium Firefox.

[@savagepro9060]

Interesting, the hidden default search engine for Zen is . . .Buddha!

[@chizuru1999]

😂😂

[@jjdizz1l]

Oddly enough, it looks exactly like how my Edge & Arc browser are.

[@MarceloLimaXP]

It's a Vivaldi Lite for Firefox 😛

[@MikeBrady68]

Bing rocks, BTW. In addition, I've been enjoying the vertical tabs on Edge for quite a while. I agree that they are preferable.

[@BradArnst]

Thank you. I will consider it. I might use it for when I want to test Firefox compatibility. But, for me (and you as well I think) I can just go back and forth between a tab/stack layout in i3 and the regular tiled layout to get two tabs side by side.

[@Thenitefly-hm2vi]

It’s WAY better than Arc! All the good stud and none of the bloat.

[@zaskaf2]

Try EDGE browser

[@dabster291]

​@@zaskaf2edge is owned by microsoft + it's proprietary so that's probably not the best idea

[@1plus68hehe]

I come from using firefox, and I prefer it for its privacy, extensions/add-ons store, and customizability. I tried switching to arc, but I didn't like that it's chromium based... zen is the perfect middle ground that I've wanted from a browser for a long time! The whole reason I was looking for a new browser is because firefox doesn't support side tabs, at least not right now, and not natively. I also love the workspaces. I'm sure the container tabs in firefox are plenty similar, but I like the ease of use of Zen's Workspaces.

[@HarrisonGould]

I'm usually pretty hesitant about swapping browsers (especially with the bugginess of Arc on Windows), I am super excited to see a project this promising in the Alpha that supports Linux and aids my Arc-minimal-style-itch

[@vsadrn]

Zen looks promising, thanks nerd

[@DctrGizmo]

This looks pretty slick. I've tried Firefox multiple times and always have had issues with ram usage and performance issues with KZbin (which might be Google's doing). I'm looking at trying this out but, is their security good? I've seen a few mixed comments about that.

[@fpigeonjr]

looking forward to the full review. Zen def has some potetial.

[@s0n0f4L1ch]

I caught the tail end of my gift sub at 0:10

[@sunyfilip]

Especially those features you are mentioning is already in popular browsers like ms edge / chrome (split view, vertical tabs, grouping them, bar with favourite apps,.....) What i would raise mainly in browsers like this one is privacy....I would change to this kind of browsers from leaders only for this one particular reason....other features are in edge or chrome extremely fast after any other browser create some new cool feature, so features are mostly not the reason to migrate all data And last thing really important for me in choosing browser is multiplatform support and synchronization between devices...this is where most of really nearly perfect browsers are failing :)

[@kamien5509]

have you tested tridactyl extension for vim like keybins?

[@KAZVorpal]

What kind of BS is this? There are a ton of browsers for linux. It's not just Chrome and Firefox. Not only that, but Zen browser is just a Firefox branch. So it's sheer nonsense to say you were stuck with either Chrome or firefox, then say Zen is your new alternative. How much is Zen paying you for this scam?

[@Solsenderz]

I'm on macOs, so I'm gonna still use Arc.

[@ManjaroBlack]

I always setup the left side tab bar in my browsers. So win off the back for me!

[@Mywifeleftme3]

My wife left me

[@noedits5543]

But why

[@nishantbhaskar7685]

🤣

[@maurycy_gnc]

Left you where?

[@Mywifeleftme3]

@@maurycy_gnc In a state of loneliness and severe melancholy

[@Daoist_Oak]

What's a "wife"?

[@jzetterman]

I just discovered it as well. Looking forward to seeing the progress they can make. It's already better than vanilla FF for sure, but I feel like it wants to be Arc and I can't wait for that....or for Arc to come to Linux....either or lol.

[@aytviewer2421]

Yea, I miss my old 21" CRTs with 4x3 aspect ratios. 1600 x 1200 for the win!

[@dkursada]

Zen Browser is to Firefox what Vivaldi is to Chromium. So customizable, so cool, so power-user dream.

[@garolstipock]

Kicking the tires on this. Great experience so far. I have Kagi set as my default search engine (paid subscriber).

[@Cheester247]

Yes! He’s the guy that keeps wasting all my time trying out these cool new tools instead of actually working!

[@ok-Luis]

Hey, can you tell us what headset are you using in this video? 🙏 looks comfortable 😁

[@typecraft_dev]

It’s SUPER comfy! Sennheiser DT 990

[@cool_scatter]

It's true that we have more horizontal real estate than vertical on modern screens, but web pages flow from top to bottom. Scrolling vertically is a much more natural action and horizontal screen space ends up being much more valuable as a result. It's still subjective, I see why people would like the horizontal tabs and I'm sure those few little pixels aren't making anything too cramped on big displays though.

[@kuma8030]

you also have compact mode which just makes everything full page. no tabs on the left nor url bar on top. you would only see them on hover and the rest of the time you just have full screen realstate

[@plasticflower]

I like the idea of having more vertical space by putting the tabs on the left or right. But in practice it has a lot of issues. Either you have only icons, but then if you have multiple pages with the same favicon, you can't distinguish them visually. But if you have a wider tab bar that can display the title of each tab, that means as long as you have only 2-3 tabs open all the space below them will be completely wasted. Then again, arguably most sites "waste" space anyways by only being displayed as a column that fills about 60-70% of the screen's width, such as the KZbin page you might be looking at right now... Ah all this agonizing over a few more pixels that will never make a difference :D

[@kuma8030]

@@plasticflower that's why compact mode exists.

[@plasticflower]

@@kuma8030 Mmh, yes but then you'd have to switch each time by pressing a key combination, isn't that annoying as well? Anyways I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and trying it out right now. Always fun to try out new "toys". But it seems the split panes can't be resized ... :(

[@kuma8030]

@@plasticflower that's just the average neovim user workflow changing everything with a combination of keys. xD

[@truesadmug]

THERE IS NO WAY LMAO,i know zen for a while now but i never thought of using it, installed it two days ago and not even the day after this vid comes out

[@tinmank]

I'm waiting for Ladybird, until then ARC is my to go.

[@omertaprimal6913]

I say I use arch btw even tho its just my gf's steam deck sometimes. But thats technically arch based variant. Yes I know, a programmer with a gf so it must be fake.

[@maxreuv]

Zen is certainly promising but not quite there yet. On the example of two side-by-side panes, they could not be resized even at the time I tried it. Grid layout I did not manage to even get going. On the Mac I had to change around a bunch of shortcuts as default ones did not seem to work - completely messing them up eventually. But then there was no way to reset the shortcuts to defaults in the settings. I will keep an eye on Zen, but so far it is nowhere near Arc (on the Mac, by the way😁)

[@builtbywalsh]

BTW - DuckDuckGo uses bing under the covers.

[@zaskaf2]

The layout is actually just a microsoft edge vertical tabs layout

[@mjscpr]

The issue with verticals tab is when you use two windows side by side on, say, a 27" monitor. It becomes a bit narrow.

[@tonit6113]

Looks interesting, was waiting for some cross-platform Arc lookalike. Thanks for sharing edit: new profile is a new window :/

[@AhmadMughal1]

For those working with web dev are ya'll using firefox based browser cause i've had a few issues go into prod in the start as i was'nt using chrome and the behaviors were very different on both.

[@Tony_Indiana]

If chat is excited I am excited AF! I do not even know who you are. However, I have in the past been contributing member of chat. For example world of warcraft race to world first. I was there! I was chat! So if chats excited I am excited.

[@murtaza6464]

For me the biggest incentive to switch from base Firefox would be full customizability of keybindings. For example, let me rebind the new tab key or the find in page key! Does Zen have this kind of flexibility?

[@aryanmadan]

Yes

[@Viken43]

While side bar is a good idea, why so I need the top bar? So used to Firefox, could not find a way to hide sidebar or top bar [guessing only in F11] ....

[@Th1nk1n6]

"We are constantly tweak firefox's engine [...]" - Zen's webpage, @4:35

[@ml_serenity]

I'm glad to see more browsers adopting features of MS Edge: vertical tabs, split view etc

[@reduxflakes]

I mean the browser that probably invented both is Vivaldi which is great as well. Edge is just copying others.

[@ml_serenity]

@reduxflakes before Firefox was redesigned, we had Tab Mix Plus addon for managing tabs. It was amazing. Actually, one of the reasons I jumped off Firefox is because tabs became unmoddable.

[@noahjoyner8232]

CSS is a thing...

[@naranyala_dev]

zen browser + zed text editor (or cursor text editor)

[@typecraft_dev]

hell yeah

[@josh6657]

I’ve been using SigmaOS browser and have it configured to work with vim bindings. It uses Safari under the hood so it is very fast. I will give this one a fair shot though.

[@BigElleDee]

Will you publish a video about zellij setup? I was trying to implement some things for go testing but i can't figure out one moment so i would like to see your config one more time

[@NoNames_tv]

Heeey, what’s your app launcher? It looks incredible!

[@NaethliN]

Until you get a confirmation, it's probably Rofi

[@iamhritikpawar]

That 2 tab thing is the selling point

[@techinsider3611]

what you used to search the zen app? what package is it?

[@typecraft_dev]

ulauncher

[@techinsider3611]

@@typecraft_dev thanks

[@iChrisBirch]

Downloaded with brew just now to try it out. None of the keyboard shortcuts work on MacOS. Couldn't intuitively drag and move the settings button. It hesitated to load every web page I typed in. Maybe it's not mainstream for MacOS yet.

[@tomhiggins9242]

Nothing out there comes close to Vivaldi browser! In my humble opinion:)

[@davidharris913]

No thanks. Personally, I don't use wide screen monitors and the two main things mentioned: vertical tabs & splitting one window into 2 panes doesn't sound helpful since two panes on a 13 inch work laptop ( thankfully, I don't want a 15 inch or higher, it's too wide and cumbersome) would be too cramped for a browser. My personal laptop is a 15 inch laptop since I couldn't get a 13 inch for that kind of Linux laptop. I wish it was a 13 inch.

[@readyplayer2197]

I'm using zen to watch this video right now!

[@kenrtx]

That dual pane feature better have focus follow mouse option.

[@irlshrek]

btw im pretty sure yay isnt being maintained. paru is the replacement!

[@typecraft_dev]

I'm going to have to check that out!

[@sunbro9744]

​@@typecraft_devIt's still maintained

[@cahva2]

Eh.. what?! Where did you read this? Seems pretty maintained to me :)

[@l4rkdono]

Me when I spread easily verifiable information

[@Younex]

I made it my default browser It's Arc but better, more customizable, light weight, and not *Chromium* Edit: and it works great on windows

[@MikaelNguyen]

Thank nerd What is the App Launcher that you're using?

[@Leo-sd3jt]

Why is the default layout on the left? It needs to be on the right. The right side of the screen tends to have nothing on it yet everybody puts things on the left side of the screen so that if you click on something then text gets covered up

[@nishantbhaskar7685]

I've had some ptsd from Brave tabs on the right. When you hover your cursor on the tabs on the right there, the tab bar opens up to show the details, and the point where your cursor originally is, is replaced by the cross button to close the tab. So if you accidentally click it, the tab just.. closes. Very bad ui design.

[@zaskaf2]

well, scroll wheel mostly put on the right side, and some user already adapted with the left vertical side because of Edge browser

[@kabadayus]

The one thing that kills it for me is the lack of tab folder support

[@BrentMalice]

looks cool but Edge's Bing Copilot in the sidebar is too nice to get rid of. made arch usable for me

[@masashiyeo]

Been using it since this week and kinda like it.

[@HighHrothgar0]

It doesn't really seem to have very much going on. I'm going to stick to Chrome and Brave browser. I think the target market is not the USA.

[@j1d7s]

Ctrl-alt-v did not work for me, it would split the tab, but I could not open anything in the empty half. How do I do this? I saw that one can crtl-click two tabs and then open them in a split, but that is not quite the workflow.

[@waffles3782]

tabs on the side + split tabs? same as Edge lol

[@JChen7]

Left tabs is so annoyingly missing from Chrome. Might have to try this new option now...

[@JayPancholi]

Zen is arc for linux!

[@sevos]

This doesn't feel like a nerd video ( I really hope that this channel doesn't become yet another content grind

[@_Holy_Lance_]

Great video, thank you.

[@ryomensukuna9513]

Windows Defender is not happy.

[@AS-Aeros]

Use a zed editor and a zen browser Thanks nerd as always 😂

[@ronaldosd]

And program in Zig 😂

[@cristhiamtovar9003]

No vim motions. I will stick with qutebrowser.

[@thefunbuns1]

It’s Firefox based so just install an extension like Vimium or Tridactyl

[@AlexanderAddams]

I still don't see anything that Vivaldi doesn't already have. Besides being FF based, and less features.

[@amack77]

Seems very similar to the floorp browser.

[@cahva2]

I switched from Floorp (I use vertical tabs on that) and in practice, they are not the same. Zen feels more polished and snappy even in its alpha state. Sure, Floorp is more customizable in many ways but it feels many of the features are "glued" in a hacky way.. or atleast it feels that way.

[@amack77]

@@cahva2 Good to know, going to give Zen a try.

[@zvoidzy]

@@cahva2I’m using floorp as a daily driver and yeah, it does look like most features (mainly workspaces) are just glued together. I had to edit my workspaces file many times to get them back because they just disappear sometimes

[@izzikora6751]

I don't think Firefox or Chrome can do tabs on the left. I've seen it in Vivaldi

[@darvin3711]

that's so crazy how your voice looks like Joel (Pedro Pascal) from the last of us series

[@philosoaper]

I use Vivaldi ...

[@GordonLi-y9j]

It has nice and consistent UI but i dont see much utilitarian value in vertical tabs since im so use to horizontal tabbing. As someone that often has my tiling window manager split into 2 vertical screens I would argue that the vertical real estate is more important then horizontal

[@kuma8030]

you do have compact mode which turns it into a fullscreen app without being fullscreen

[@alexventuradev]

What about ads blocking? That is the most important thing to me over everything else that's why I love Brave

[@rymdie]

So, It's firefox based arc then

[@Yes-me4pk]

Really excited for this browser to get out of alpha so it stops crashing all the time 😭😭

[@heroclix0rz]

As someone who's already using a tiled wm on linux, idk if this adds anything new.

[@729usbow]

which DE do u use on arch brooo

[@typecraft_dev]

Hyprland and i3

[@BendyLemmy]

Wow, you held off on 'import data' - and that's good, it looks like it can't import from Firefox - only Chrome.

[@RKStrider]

You can just sync everything with your Firefox account

[@frydac]

aw, it didn't see my firefox to import from.. I guess because it itself is firefox, but maybe using a different profile or something I can probably export and import I'm guessing, though couldn't find anything about that quickly.

[@frydac]

Ah I could just login with my firefox account(s).. Great! lol and I already had tree style tab (which puts the tabs on the side in a tree), now I have 2 columns of tabs :D

[@kuma8030]

@@frydac sideberry did that for me too. i just deactivated the extension

[@zaskaf2]

Brio what? sometime i start to think that this browser trying to copy edge browser. the workspace, the blue line when you go into split mode view, the vertical tabs. and then it showed you the url on top of screen when using fullscreen mode. at this point every vertical tabs browser is just a worse version of EDGE.

[@manutddred]

Bro sold me with CTRL ALT V, I've been searching for a browser that could do that that isn't EDGE. You know where I'm going with this...